History YMMV / GrantMorrisonsBatman

22nd Apr '18 7:51:22 AM ACW
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* CompleteMonster: [[PsychoPsychologist Dr. Simon Hurt]], born Thomas Wayne centuries past, was a devil worshipper who gained immortality when resorting to [[HumanSacrifice blood sacrifice]] to summon demons, instead linking himself with the Hyper-Adapter. Using sacrifice to keep himself alive through centuries, Hurt developed a dark fixation on Bruce Wayne with his obsession to prove that evil could always overcome good. He created the Black Glove, a [[NebulousEvilOrganization shadowy evil council]] dedicated to spreading evil and bloodshed throughout the world. Hurt sought to [[MindRape break Bruce Wayne psychologically]], even having him buried without oxygen to permanently damage his mind and shatter him into Hurt's slave. Defeated, Hurt established himself in Mexico as a drug lord known as El Penitente where he financed dark experiments from [[MadScientist Professor Pyg]] that destroyed countless minds, even having a noble opponent of the Cartels turned into a cannibalistic monster who killed his own family. Sacrificing his followers without a second thought, Hurt returned to Gotham intending on spreading the poisons he had developed throughout the city, turning everyone there into a violent monster who would fall upon one another, allowing Hurt to rule over an empire of evil at last.
9th Apr '18 11:55:05 AM costanton11
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Also, the fact that this isn't the only [[Characters/DoctorWhoRevivalSeriesDoctors Doctor]] [[Creator/JohnHurt Hurt]] in popular culture.

to:

** Also, the fact that this isn't the only [[Characters/DoctorWhoRevivalSeriesDoctors [[Characters/DoctorWhoDoctors Doctor]] [[Creator/JohnHurt Hurt]] in popular culture.
19th Dec '17 4:42:29 PM urutapu
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** How many fans felt about Dick as Batman

to:

** How many fans felt about Dick as BatmanBatman, especially with Morrison vocally hoping for Dick's tenure to last ten years.
12th Dec '17 9:52:32 AM Anddrix
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* LoveItOrHateIt: This run is either an inteligent, epic celebration of Batman and his rich history, or a pretentious, self-indulgent ContinuityPorn. There is very little middle-ground.
6th Dec '17 4:41:27 PM MagBas
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* BrokenBase:
** Batman [[spoiler: driving Joe Chill to suicide and doing nothing to stop it. Fans either like it or hate it for making Batman indirectly murder a big part of his motivation.]]
** Talia al Ghul essentially raping Batman. On the one hand, it's CharacterDerailment that goes against her genuine love for him and her struggling loyalty between him and her father. On the other hand, it gave us Damian Wayne, and Talia's attitude throughout Morrison's run provides him with conflict in his character that leads to CharacterDevelopment for him.

to:

* BrokenBase:
**
BrokenBase: Batman [[spoiler: driving Joe Chill to suicide and doing nothing to stop it. Fans either like it or hate it for making Batman indirectly murder a big part of his motivation.]]
** Talia al Ghul essentially raping Batman. On the one hand, it's CharacterDerailment that goes against her genuine love for him and her struggling loyalty between him and her father. On the other hand, it gave us Damian Wayne, and Talia's attitude throughout Morrison's run provides him with conflict in his character that leads to CharacterDevelopment for him.
]]
3rd Nov '17 11:01:51 PM BeastC
Is there an issue? Send a Message


%%* BrokenBase: Batman [[spoiler: driving Joe Chill to suicide and doing nothing to stop it. It's all but murder.]]

to:

%%* BrokenBase: * BrokenBase:
**
Batman [[spoiler: driving Joe Chill to suicide and doing nothing to stop it. It's all but murder.]]Fans either like it or hate it for making Batman indirectly murder a big part of his motivation.]]
** Talia al Ghul essentially raping Batman. On the one hand, it's CharacterDerailment that goes against her genuine love for him and her struggling loyalty between him and her father. On the other hand, it gave us Damian Wayne, and Talia's attitude throughout Morrison's run provides him with conflict in his character that leads to CharacterDevelopment for him.
30th Apr '17 12:14:04 PM reppuzan
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* NeverLiveItDown: In ''Batman'' #666 Damian's possible future self is shown to have [[AuthorAppeal a cat]] named Alfred. In fandom he's like a [[CrazyCatLady Crazy Cat Kid]], [[AscendedMeme and Morrison had Damian adopt a cow, and Peter J. Tomasi had him adopt a cat]], and Jon Kent's accidental killing of a cat becomes something Damian holds against him.

to:

* NeverLiveItDown: In ''Batman'' #666 Damian's possible future self is shown to have [[AuthorAppeal a cat]] named Alfred. In fandom he's like a [[CrazyCatLady Crazy Cat Kid]], [[AscendedMeme and Morrison had Damian adopt a cow, and Peter J. Tomasi had him adopt a cat]], dog and a cat, Gleason had him adopt a freaking gargoyle]], and [[ComicBook/{{Superboy}} Jon Kent's Kent's]] accidental killing of a cat becomes something Damian holds against him.him to the point of kidnapping the ten-year old for interrogation.
27th Apr '17 3:03:52 PM FuzzyBarbarian
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Update older material for modern times. Lots of Batman's Silver Age material was said to be hallucinations or outright made canon, while ''Cap'' had a lot of abandoned concepts from the 60s and 70s brought back.

to:

** Update older material for modern times. Lots of Batman's Silver Age material was said to be hallucinations or outright made canon, while ''Cap'' had a lot of abandoned concepts from the 60s and 70s brought back.back the Cold War-era Captain America and had him a true Man Out of Time, racism included, and the previous Bucky.
27th Apr '17 3:02:23 PM FuzzyBarbarian
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Update older material for modern times. Lots of Batman's SilverAge material was said to be hallucinations or outright made canon, while ''Cap'' had a lot of abandoned concepts from the 60s and 70s brought back.

to:

** Update older material for modern times. Lots of Batman's SilverAge Silver Age material was said to be hallucinations or outright made canon, while ''Cap'' had a lot of abandoned concepts from the 60s and 70s brought back.
27th Apr '17 3:02:12 PM FuzzyBarbarian
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* CounterpartComparison: In more recent years, people have started comparing it to Ed Brubaker's run on ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica''. Both feature a dark reimagining of classic sidekicks, update older material for modern times, feature the main character "dying" and their first sidekick taking up their mantle, said former sidekick learning to be Batman/Captain America "their own way", which is hampered by both characters fighting someone attempting to imitate their dead character in dark ways, the "dead" character travelling through time instead of dying, and both feature the return of the main character who then loans their successor their title while taking up a higher position of power.

to:

* CounterpartComparison: In more recent years, people have started comparing it to Ed Brubaker's run on ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica''. Did we mention they came out close to each other? Both feature a feature:
** A
dark reimagining of classic sidekicks. Damian Wayne is a deconstruction of hyper competent sidekicks, update Bucky Barnes was made DarkerAndEdgier to fit the WWII stories.
** Update
older material for modern times, feature times. Lots of Batman's SilverAge material was said to be hallucinations or outright made canon, while ''Cap'' had a lot of abandoned concepts from the 60s and 70s brought back.
** The
main character "dying" and their in a CrisisCrossover. Bruce Wayne died in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' while Steve Rogers died as a result of ''ComicBook/CivilWar''.
** Their
first sidekick taking up their mantle, said mantle. Dick Grayson, the original Robin, became the next Batman while Bucky Barnes, the first Bucky, became the next Captain America.
** Said
former sidekick learning to be Batman/Captain America "their own way", which is hampered by both characters way". Dick learns to embrace his happier ways and treat his Batman as a performance, whereas Bucky learns to embrace his darker tendencies like using guns.
** The successor
fighting someone attempting to imitate their dead character predecessor in dark ways, ways. Dick fought a returned Jason Todd, once again trying to be a brutal vigilante cleaning up Gotham with murder, while Bucky fought the crazy Cold War-era Captain America who was working with White Supremacists.
** The
"dead" character travelling through time instead of dying, dying. The Omega Sanction sent Bruce back to the Stone Age and both feature he made jumps through time to the present, while Red Skull's bullet trapped Steve in a loop of events that he couldn't prevent, lest he damage the time stream.
** The
return of the main character who then loans their successor their title while taking up a higher position of power.power. Bruce returns and lets Dick stay Batman and forms Batman Incorporated, while Steve returns and lets Bucky stay Cap while he heads up SHIELD.
This list shows the last 10 events of 99. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.GrantMorrisonsBatman