History YMMV / GrandTheftAutoV

8th Feb '17 4:39:35 PM Mullon
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*** Some fans think Rockstar never put enough work into single player to begin with, citing the weak missions (see {{Padding}}) and rewards, and largely unused map as signs that the single player was far less of a focus if not a total afterthought to Rockstar compared to the much more financially lucrative multiplayer mode.
8th Feb '17 3:31:32 PM Jake18
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** A weaker story compared to [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas previous]] [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV games]], especially concerning the relationship between characters (see ArcFatigue) and weak villains (Steve Haines gets compared constantly against [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas officer Tempenny]] in an unfavorable way). Some people also note that two of the main villains (Stretch and Wei Cheng) only appear for two to three missions ''at most'' and then [[spoiler:they get unceremoniously killed in the last mission, like if they had an impact on the story]]. Speaking of which, just to add insult to injury [[spoiler:the bosses get killed in pretty anticlimactic ways, without leaving the player any satisfaction for getting rid of them.]].

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** A weaker story compared to [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas previous]] [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV games]], especially concerning the relationship between characters (see ArcFatigue) and weak villains (Steve Haines gets compared constantly against [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas officer Tempenny]] in an unfavorable way). Some people also note that two of the main villains (Stretch and Wei Cheng) only appear for two to three missions ''at most'' and then [[spoiler:they get unceremoniously killed in the last mission, like as if they had an impact on the story]]. Speaking of which, just to add insult to injury [[spoiler:the bosses get killed in pretty anticlimactic ways, without leaving the player any satisfaction for getting rid of them.]].
8th Feb '17 2:52:07 PM Jake18
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** The left wing criticisms (particularly on the Liberal Superhero show "Impotent Rage") are just as heavy-handed: basically, if the right-wing are the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName neo-Fascists]] [[FascistButEfficient who at least get their blatantly evil agenda done in a timely and efficient manner]], the left-wing can be summarized as GoodIsDumb. ''[[WhatAnIdiot Really, Really, REALLY dumb.]]'' [[TheHypocrite Their]] efforts to better society end up being sidelined by an unwillingness to confront the conservatives, and sometimes [[NiceJobBreakingItHero their efforts make society even WORSE]]. In particular, their message of environmentalism is undercut by flying private jumbo jets to accept the awards, they want to legalize weed, heroin and crack for the mass market, and their needs to have workers unionize and demand outrageous wage hikes and personal benefits are becoming so expensive that corporations are outsourcing to the third world and China (note that the developers just acknowledge the left-wing is causing this; they also criticize outsourcing at several points, most notably in ending C [[spoiler:as part of the TheReasonYouSuckSpeech against Devin Weston]]) and the sense of self-entitlement the middle class has means workers are too lazy to work anyways. And considering AudienceSurrogate [[LazyBum Jimmy]] is depicted as an EntitledBastard from this depiction of the middle class, this message is probably more likely to dig under the skin of GTA fans than the right-wing criticisms.

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** The left wing criticisms (particularly on the Liberal Superhero show "Impotent Rage") are just as heavy-handed: basically, if the right-wing are the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName neo-Fascists]] [[FascistButEfficient [[NoDelaysForTheWicked who at least get their blatantly evil agenda done in a timely and efficient manner]], the left-wing can be summarized as GoodIsDumb. ''[[WhatAnIdiot Really, Really, REALLY dumb.]]'' [[TheHypocrite Their]] efforts to better society end up being sidelined by an unwillingness to confront the conservatives, and sometimes [[NiceJobBreakingItHero their efforts make society even WORSE]]. In particular, their message of environmentalism is undercut by flying private jumbo jets to accept the awards, they want to legalize weed, heroin and crack for the mass market, and their needs to have workers unionize and demand outrageous wage hikes and personal benefits are becoming so expensive that corporations are outsourcing to the third world and China (note that the developers just acknowledge the left-wing is causing this; they also criticize outsourcing at several points, most notably in ending C [[spoiler:as part of the TheReasonYouSuckSpeech against Devin Weston]]) and the sense of self-entitlement the middle class has means workers are too lazy to work anyways. And considering AudienceSurrogate [[LazyBum Jimmy]] is depicted as an EntitledBastard from this depiction of the middle class, this message is probably more likely to dig under the skin of GTA fans than the right-wing criticisms.
8th Feb '17 2:50:35 PM Jake18
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** The left wing criticisms (particularly on the Liberal Superhero show "Impotent Rage") are just as heavy-handed: basically, if the right-wing are the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName neo-Fascists]] [[NoDelaysForTheWicked who at least get their blatantly evil agenda done in a timely and efficient manner]], the left-wing can be summarized as GoodIsDumb. ''[[WhatAnIdiot Really, Really, REALLY dumb.]]'' [[TheHypocrite Their]] efforts to better society end up being sidelined by an unwillingness to confront the conservatives, and sometimes [[NiceJobBreakingItHero their efforts make society even WORSE]]. In particular, their message of environmentalism is undercut by flying private jumbo jets to accept the awards, they want to legalize weed, heroin and crack for the mass market, and their needs to have workers unionize and demand outrageous wage hikes and personal benefits are becoming so expensive that corporations are outsourcing to the third world and China (note that the developers just acknowledge the left-wing is causing this; they also criticize outsourcing at several points, most notably in ending C [[spoiler:as part of the TheReasonYouSuckSpeech against Devin Weston]]) and the sense of self-entitlement the middle class has means workers are too lazy to work anyways. And considering AudienceSurrogate [[LazyBum Jimmy]] is depicted as an EntitledBastard from this depiction of the middle class, this message is probably more likely to dig under the skin of GTA fans than the right-wing criticisms.

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** The left wing criticisms (particularly on the Liberal Superhero show "Impotent Rage") are just as heavy-handed: basically, if the right-wing are the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName neo-Fascists]] [[NoDelaysForTheWicked [[FascistButEfficient who at least get their blatantly evil agenda done in a timely and efficient manner]], the left-wing can be summarized as GoodIsDumb. ''[[WhatAnIdiot Really, Really, REALLY dumb.]]'' [[TheHypocrite Their]] efforts to better society end up being sidelined by an unwillingness to confront the conservatives, and sometimes [[NiceJobBreakingItHero their efforts make society even WORSE]]. In particular, their message of environmentalism is undercut by flying private jumbo jets to accept the awards, they want to legalize weed, heroin and crack for the mass market, and their needs to have workers unionize and demand outrageous wage hikes and personal benefits are becoming so expensive that corporations are outsourcing to the third world and China (note that the developers just acknowledge the left-wing is causing this; they also criticize outsourcing at several points, most notably in ending C [[spoiler:as part of the TheReasonYouSuckSpeech against Devin Weston]]) and the sense of self-entitlement the middle class has means workers are too lazy to work anyways. And considering AudienceSurrogate [[LazyBum Jimmy]] is depicted as an EntitledBastard from this depiction of the middle class, this message is probably more likely to dig under the skin of GTA fans than the right-wing criticisms.
1st Feb '17 1:23:21 PM Giantsgiants
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** The first setup in Pacific Standard is an interesting case. You drive around town taking pictures of vans to find the one with a transponder inside. No combat of any kind involved. How hard can it be? The difficulty comes not from the actual gameplay itself, but [[FakeDifficulty getting people to join you]]. Yes, you still need four people to start even though it is easily doable solo. Unfortunately, much of the playerbase views this setup as one of the most boring and unnecessary setups out there (the driver role does virtually nothing). As a result, people will leave the instant they join your lobby and find out it's this setup. Expect to wait quite a while if you don't have friends, possibly longer than any other setup.
31st Jan '17 12:00:27 AM Giantsgiants
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** You thought a troll in a Rhino was bad? A troll in a P-996 Lazer fighter jet will make you bawl. They have a rapid-firing explosive cannon that can take out anything, yes even a Rhino (thanks to a nerf to the Rhino's armor), in milliseconds. Furthermore, while a Rhino's slow speed makes the problem only confined to one area, a Lazer can easily swoop around the ''entire'' map. It is not unheard of for a skilled jet pilot to dominate a lobby to the point that everyone else has no choice but to cower in the shelter of a building. Oh, and don't bother trying to take it down with a homing launcher. It is too damn inaccurate, and the pilot can dodge it with ease.

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** You thought a troll in a Rhino was bad? A troll in a P-996 Lazer fighter jet will make you bawl.cry. They have a rapid-firing explosive cannon that can take out anything, yes even a Rhino (thanks to a nerf to the Rhino's armor), in milliseconds. Furthermore, while a Rhino's slow speed makes the problem only confined to one area, a Lazer can easily swoop around the ''entire'' map. It is not unheard of for a skilled jet pilot to dominate a lobby to the point that everyone else has no choice but to cower in the shelter of a building. Oh, and don't bother trying to take it down with a homing launcher. It is too damn inaccurate, and the pilot can dodge it with ease.
30th Jan '17 11:58:40 PM Giantsgiants
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*** This was finally fixed entirely in the next-gen version. Passive Mode is now basically ghost mode where non-passive players can't touch people in passive mode and vice versa, which is basically what people wanted from day one.

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*** This was finally fixed entirely in the next-gen version. Passive Mode is now basically ghost mode where non-passive players can't touch people in passive mode and vice versa, which is basically what people wanted from day one. Although it still gets complaints since griefers can abuse it (usually jet griefers who crash) and leave the victim unable to retaliate.



*** Hell, the fact that you need four players for all parts of the heist has proven to be annoying. While the four player requirement is understandable in the finales, many of the setups (including some that fall under ThatOneSidequest) are easily doable with less than four players. Especially when playing with random people, someone in the group of four just ends up being TheLoad.



** The second setup in Series A. You have to go around collecting garbage bags with drugs stashed in them with a trash truck. First off, you are stuck with flimsy garbage collector outfits which do nothing to protect you, unlike the other setups where you have the option of choosing your own clothes. Secondly, the collectors have to stand on platforms on the rear of the truck, exposing them to gunfire. Finally, the collection points offer little to no cover from the swarms of enemies surrounding you, and one of the locations is a gas station, which carries the risk of an explosion blowing up the truck or killing one of your teammates.

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** The second setup in Series A. You have to go around collecting garbage bags with drugs stashed in them with a trash truck. First off, you are stuck with flimsy garbage collector outfits which do nothing to protect you, unlike the other setups where you have the option of choosing your own clothes. Secondly, the collectors have to stand on platforms on the rear of the truck, exposing them to gunfire. Finally, the collection points offer little to no cover from the swarms of enemies surrounding you, and one of the locations is a gas station, which carries the risk of an explosion blowing up the truck or killing one of your teammates. Oh yeah, this setup has a time limit, so you can't just hunker down somewhere and kill everyone.
29th Jan '17 11:13:13 PM Giantsgiants
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** Series A has Trash Truck. You have to go around collecting garbage bags with drugs stashed in them. First off, you are stuck with flimsy garbage collector outfits which do nothing to protect you, unlike the other setups where you have the option of choosing your own clothes. Secondly, the collectors have to stand on platforms on the rear of the truck, exposing them to gunfire. Finally, the collection points offer little to no cover from the swarms of enemies surrounding you, and one of the locations is a gas station, which carries the risk of an explosion blowing up the truck or killing one of your teammates.

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** The second setup in Series A has Trash Truck. A. You have to go around collecting garbage bags with drugs stashed in them.them with a trash truck. First off, you are stuck with flimsy garbage collector outfits which do nothing to protect you, unlike the other setups where you have the option of choosing your own clothes. Secondly, the collectors have to stand on platforms on the rear of the truck, exposing them to gunfire. Finally, the collection points offer little to no cover from the swarms of enemies surrounding you, and one of the locations is a gas station, which carries the risk of an explosion blowing up the truck or killing one of your teammates.
29th Jan '17 11:12:18 PM Giantsgiants
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** Series A has Trash Truck. You have to go around collecting garbage bags with drugs stashed in them. First off, you are stuck with flimsy garbage collector outfits which do nothing to protect you, unlike the other setups where you have the option of choosing your own clothes. Secondly, the collectors have to stand on platforms on the rear of the truck, exposing them to gunfire. Finally, the collection points offer little to no cover from the swarms of enemies surrounding you, and one of the locations is a gas station, which carries the risk of an explosion blowing up the truck or killing one of your teammates.
29th Jan '17 2:58:13 AM Giantsgiants
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*** After the ground and air teams finish their initial tasks, the air team is supposed to pick up the ground team. This is arguably the worst part for the pilot (hell, many players say it's the worst part of the heist in general). The pickup point is a beach just big enough for the helicopter to land. Not only that, but it has an upward slope, making the landing even trickier. It is very easy to land in the water, slice up a teammate with your rotors, or smash the rotors against the cliffs, all of which result in heist failure.
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