History YMMV / Goodfellas

20th Aug '16 2:35:36 PM mlsmithca
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* AwardSnub: ''Goodfellas'', Scorsese, and Bracco lost to ''DancesWithWolves'', Creator/KevinCostner, and Whoopi Goldberg for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress, respectively. In hindsight, ''Goodfellas'' is considered Scorsese's MagnumOpus. On the other hand, Joe Pesci not only got a fully deserved Oscar for Best Supporting, he didn't even expect to win and gave one of the shortest and most modest speeches in Academy history ("It's my privilege. Thank you.")

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* AwardSnub: ''Goodfellas'', Scorsese, and Bracco lost to ''DancesWithWolves'', Creator/KevinCostner, and Whoopi Goldberg for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress, respectively. In hindsight, ''Goodfellas'' is considered Scorsese's MagnumOpus.greatest film. On the other hand, Joe Pesci not only got a fully deserved Oscar for Best Supporting, he didn't even expect to win and gave one of the shortest and most modest speeches in Academy history ("It's my privilege. Thank you.")



** For some (most notably, Creator/RogerEbert [[AtTheMovies and]] Creator/GeneSiskel), the loss for Best Director was particularly galling. Kevin Costner was already listed as a co-producer for ''Dances With Wolves'' (the heavy frontrunner for Best Picture), so it seemed redundant for the Academy to honor him again as a Director over Marty, especially given how much the latter's direction was specifically praised and analyzed. To make matters worse, ''Wolves'' was Costner's film debut, and many already thought Scorsese was due for recognition after losing out for ''Film/RagingBull'' against Robert Redford and ''Ordinary People'' (coincidently enough, Redford had beaten Marty for a directorial debut, also).

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** For some (most notably, Creator/RogerEbert [[AtTheMovies [[Series/AtTheMovies and]] Creator/GeneSiskel), the loss for Best Director was particularly galling. Kevin Costner was already listed as a co-producer for ''Dances With Wolves'' (the heavy frontrunner for Best Picture), so it seemed redundant for the Academy to honor him again as a Director over Marty, especially given how much the latter's direction was specifically praised and analyzed. To make matters worse, ''Wolves'' was Costner's film debut, and many already thought Scorsese was due for recognition after losing out for ''Film/RagingBull'' against Robert Redford and ''Ordinary People'' (coincidently enough, Redford had beaten Marty for a directorial debut, also).



* CrossesTheLineTwice:
** Some of the violence in this movie is so extreme, it almost verges on CrowningMomentOfFunny.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice:
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CrossesTheLineTwice: Some of the violence in this movie is so extreme, it almost verges on CrowningMomentOfFunny.



* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Despite the fact that the movie [[{{Deconstruction}} deconstructs]] many standard gangster film tropes and has something of a DownerEnding, it's still considered one of the coolest depictions of the Mafia ever put on film - by members of the Mafia themselves, even. The gangster that [=DeNiro=]'s character was based on was reportedly ''thrilled'' such a great actor was portraying him, and kept trying to get in touch with [=DeNiro=] ''from prison'' to give him pointers. Similarly, the real Henry Hill wrecked his witness protection because he couldn't resist bragging about the movie. (Not that anyone cared to kill him at that point.) Yet by the end of the movie almost the entire extended cast is either in prison, witness protection, or dead- almost universally via brutal murder, to say nothing of all the domestic abuse, paranoia, treachery, drug addiction, police investigations and violence that the characters end up going through. It is still loved by gangsters and wannabe gangsters.
** Which might not be [[TropesAreNotBad a bad thing]] since it's one of the few movies that shows gangsters from their perspective rather than that of Moral Guardians and shows them WartsAndAll. WordOfGod admits that he dislikes movies telling audiences what to feel or think or telling them what's cool or not, when its up to each viewer to decide for themselves.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Despite the fact that the movie [[{{Deconstruction}} deconstructs]] many standard gangster film tropes and has something of a DownerEnding, it's still considered one of the coolest depictions of the Mafia ever put on film - by members of the Mafia themselves, even. The gangster that [=DeNiro=]'s character was based on was reportedly ''thrilled'' such a great actor was portraying him, and kept trying to get in touch with [=DeNiro=] ''from prison'' to give him pointers. Similarly, the real Henry Hill wrecked his witness protection because he couldn't resist bragging about the movie. (Not that anyone cared to kill him at that point.) Yet by the end of the movie almost the entire extended cast is either in prison, witness protection, or dead- almost universally via brutal murder, to say nothing of all the domestic abuse, paranoia, treachery, drug addiction, police investigations and violence that the characters end up going through. It is still loved by gangsters and wannabe gangsters.
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gangsters. Which might not be [[TropesAreNotBad a bad thing]] since it's one of the few movies that shows gangsters from their perspective rather than that of Moral Guardians and shows them WartsAndAll. WordOfGod admits that he dislikes movies telling audiences what to feel or think or telling them what's cool or not, when its up to each viewer to decide for themselves.
14th Aug '16 10:51:17 PM MHMhasf1998
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* AwardSnub: ''Goodfellas'', Scorsese, and Bracco lost to ''DancesWithWolves'', Creator/KevinCostner, and Whoopi Goldberg for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress, respectively. In hindsight, ''Goodfellas'' is considered Scorsese's best. On the other hand, Joe Pesci not only got a fully deserved Oscar for Best Supporting, he didn't even expect to win and gave one of the shortest and most modest speeches in Academy history ("It's my privilege. Thank you.")

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* AwardSnub: ''Goodfellas'', Scorsese, and Bracco lost to ''DancesWithWolves'', Creator/KevinCostner, and Whoopi Goldberg for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress, respectively. In hindsight, ''Goodfellas'' is considered Scorsese's best.MagnumOpus. On the other hand, Joe Pesci not only got a fully deserved Oscar for Best Supporting, he didn't even expect to win and gave one of the shortest and most modest speeches in Academy history ("It's my privilege. Thank you.")
6th Aug '16 10:28:40 PM Eagal
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Some of the violence in this movie is so extreme, it almost verges on CrowningMomentOfFunny.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: CrossesTheLineTwice:
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Some of the violence in this movie is so extreme, it almost verges on CrowningMomentOfFunny.CrowningMomentOfFunny.
%%** "Now go home and get your fucking shinebox!"
16th Jul '16 10:31:17 AM WillBGood
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** When Paulie is being arrested, one of his guys yells, "Why don't you go to Wall Street, get some ''real'' criminals. Cut to 20 years later and Scorsese makes ''TheWolfOfWallStreet'', the SpiritualSuccessor to both this movie and ''Casino'' and is pretty up front about how Wall Street brokers are just as corrupt as gangsters.

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** When Paulie is being arrested, one of his guys yells, "Why don't you go to Wall Street, get some ''real'' criminals. Cut to 20 years later and Scorsese makes ''TheWolfOfWallStreet'', ''Film/TheWolfOfWallStreet'', the SpiritualSuccessor to both this movie and ''Casino'' and is pretty up front about how Wall Street brokers are just as corrupt as gangsters.
23rd Jun '16 9:30:56 AM StFan
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** For some (most notably, Creator/RogerEbert [[AtTheMovies and]] GeneSiskel), the loss for Best Director was particularly galling. Kevin Costner was already listed as a co-producer for ''Dances With Wolves'' (the heavy frontrunner for Best Picture), so it seemed redundant for the Academy to honor him again as a Director over Marty, especially given how much the latter's direction was specifically praised and analyzed. To make matters worse, ''Wolves'' was Costner's film debut, and many already thought Scorsese was due for recognition after losing out for ''Film/RagingBull'' against Robert Redford and ''Ordinary People'' (coincidently enough, Redford had beaten Marty for a directorial debut, also).

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** For some (most notably, Creator/RogerEbert [[AtTheMovies and]] GeneSiskel), Creator/GeneSiskel), the loss for Best Director was particularly galling. Kevin Costner was already listed as a co-producer for ''Dances With Wolves'' (the heavy frontrunner for Best Picture), so it seemed redundant for the Academy to honor him again as a Director over Marty, especially given how much the latter's direction was specifically praised and analyzed. To make matters worse, ''Wolves'' was Costner's film debut, and many already thought Scorsese was due for recognition after losing out for ''Film/RagingBull'' against Robert Redford and ''Ordinary People'' (coincidently enough, Redford had beaten Marty for a directorial debut, also).
3rd Jun '16 5:11:36 PM maxwellsilver
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* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Jimmy wants to put a hit on Henry at the end because he is worried Henry'll squeal to the cops. It's the realization that he has a hit on him that makes Henry squeal in the first place.]]
** Note that despite the WhatAnIdiot aspect, this really happened on several occasions.

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* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot:
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[[spoiler: Jimmy wants to put a hit on Henry at the end because he is worried Henry'll squeal to the cops. It's the realization that he has a hit on him that makes Henry squeal in the first place.]]
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]] Note that despite the WhatAnIdiot aspect, this really happened on several occasions.



-->“So, what does she do after she hangs up with me? After everything I had told her? After all her yeah, yeah, yeah, bullshit? She picks up the phone and calls from the house. Now, if anybody was listening, they'd know everything. They'd know that a package was leaving from my house and they'd even have the time and the flight number. Thanks to her.”

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-->“So, --->So, what does she do after she hangs up with me? After everything I had told her? After all her yeah, yeah, yeah, bullshit? She picks up the phone and calls from the house. Now, if anybody was listening, they'd know everything. They'd know that a package was leaving from my house and they'd even have the time and the flight number. Thanks to her.
1st Jun '16 11:56:46 PM spoonofevil
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Added DiffLines:

** Tommy killing Billy Batts, despite him of all people knowing that Batts was a Made Man and therefore under official protection. [[spoiler:This eventually leads to Tommy's death as revenge.]]
1st Jun '16 11:53:23 PM spoonofevil
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Added DiffLines:

* HarsherInHindsight: During the parts focusing on Henry's childhood, it's easy to think that Henry was destined to be a troublemaker when he was young. However, in real life, Henry suffered from a number of learning disabilities that had remained undiagnosed at the time. Since his teachers had no concept of conditions such as Dyslexia in the 1970s, they just assumed Henry wasn't interested in school and labelled him a failure. In fact, Henry himself stated that he never learned the alphabet until he was 20. Henry's inability to fit in at school was one of the primary factors leading him into joining the mob.
24th Mar '16 8:23:21 AM Morgenthaler
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** For some (most notably, Creator/RogerEbert [[AtTheMovies and]] GeneSiskel), the loss for Best Director was particularly galling. Kevin Costner was already listed as a co-producer for ''Dances With Wolves'' (the heavy frontrunner for Best Picture), so it seemed redundant for the Academy to honor him again as a Director over Marty, especially given how much the latter's direction was specifically praised and analyzed. To make matters worse, ''Wolves'' was Costner's film debut, and many already thought Scorsese was due for recognition after losing out for ''RagingBull'' against Robert Redford and ''Ordinary People'' (coincidently enough, Redford had beaten Marty for a directorial debut, also).

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** For some (most notably, Creator/RogerEbert [[AtTheMovies and]] GeneSiskel), the loss for Best Director was particularly galling. Kevin Costner was already listed as a co-producer for ''Dances With Wolves'' (the heavy frontrunner for Best Picture), so it seemed redundant for the Academy to honor him again as a Director over Marty, especially given how much the latter's direction was specifically praised and analyzed. To make matters worse, ''Wolves'' was Costner's film debut, and many already thought Scorsese was due for recognition after losing out for ''RagingBull'' ''Film/RagingBull'' against Robert Redford and ''Ordinary People'' (coincidently enough, Redford had beaten Marty for a directorial debut, also).
8th Feb '16 5:49:57 AM Freshmeat
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* AwardSnub: ''Goodfellas'', Scorsese, and Bracco lost to ''DancesWithWolves'', Creator/KevinCostner, and Whoopi Goldberg for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress, respectively. In hindsight, ''Goodfellas'' is considered Scorsese's MagnumOpus. On the other hand, Joe Pesci not only got a fully deserved Oscar for Best Supporting, he didn't even expect to win and gave one of the shortest and most modest speeches in Academy history ("It's my privilege. Thank you.")

to:

* AwardSnub: ''Goodfellas'', Scorsese, and Bracco lost to ''DancesWithWolves'', Creator/KevinCostner, and Whoopi Goldberg for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress, respectively. In hindsight, ''Goodfellas'' is considered Scorsese's MagnumOpus.best. On the other hand, Joe Pesci not only got a fully deserved Oscar for Best Supporting, he didn't even expect to win and gave one of the shortest and most modest speeches in Academy history ("It's my privilege. Thank you.")



* MagnumOpus: Regularly in the running (along with ''TaxiDriver'' and ''RagingBull'') as Marty's best film, and has an advantage among audiences in that, as compared to the other two being dark character studies, Goodfellas is the most entertaining and rewatchable of the three.
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