History YMMV / GoneWithTheWind

25th Apr '18 3:26:03 PM 6
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Speaking of Wilkerson, the [[SarcasmMode standing pillar of feminine virtue]], Ellen, tells him his illegitimate newborn baby has "mercifully" died. Her disdain for a man impregnating a woman he's not married to and, at the time, was content to treat like a dirty secret and leave her all alone to deal with the baby is something many people can still understand and agree with to this day. But to more-or-less say it's a ''good'' thing a newborn baby has died- There aren't many people nowadays, even among the very old-fashioned and/or devoutly religious, who would hold such a view.
23rd Apr '18 11:05:01 AM VenusDeLovely1989
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* EnsembleDarkhorse: Mammy, due to being a FairForItsDay portrayal. She's still intelligent and competent, despite being servile to white people. She was enough of one to bag Hattie [=McDaniel=] an Oscar, the first one ever awarded to an African American.

to:

* EnsembleDarkhorse: Mammy, due to being a FairForItsDay portrayal. She's still intelligent and competent, despite being servile to white people.people, as well as being hilariously snarky. She was enough of one to bag Hattie [=McDaniel=] an Oscar, the first one ever awarded to an African American.
9th Apr '18 9:09:28 AM DrOO7
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** When Scarlett is raped is the sequel MiniSeries, there is no ambiguity about it whatsoever--he attacker slaps her, tears at her clothes, etc.
1st Apr '18 1:47:43 PM youfeelingluckypunk27
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* MostAnnoyingSound: Prissy is incredibly shrill, though that can be forgiven: it was Butterfly [=McQueen=]'s actual voice.
6th Mar '18 2:53:35 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Another interpretation is that Scarlett doesn't care for the emotions or opinions that other people ''of any gender'' feel, and her reaction to the weakness and/or injury of other women is disdainful at best. She only considers the repressive culture of her time as it relates to '''her''', and has little interest in changing or undermining it... in fact, she actively utilizes said culture's stereotypes to swindle other businessmen and escape retribution for doing so. Scarlett is an oppressed woman, but [[GenreSavvy she's also the ultimate pragmatist]] and would probably be that even if she grew up in a more egalitarian time.

to:

** Another interpretation is that Scarlett doesn't care for the emotions or opinions that other people ''of any gender'' feel, and her reaction to the weakness and/or injury of other women is disdainful at best. She only considers the repressive culture of her time as it relates to '''her''', and has little interest in changing or undermining it... in fact, she actively utilizes said culture's stereotypes to swindle other businessmen and escape retribution for doing so. Scarlett is an oppressed woman, but [[GenreSavvy she's also the ultimate pragmatist]] pragmatist and would probably be that even if she grew up in a more egalitarian time.
2nd Mar '18 10:10:45 AM Saveelich
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Until the book no longer could be marketed due to the declaration of war in 1941, ''Gone With the Wind'' was a big bestseller in Nazi Germany. A [[ThoseWackyNazis Bernhard Payr, a culture bureaucrat]], praised that the book taught that losing a war was worse than the preceding horrors of war and how it established a clear racial hierarchy between the "master class" and the subservient "good blacks".

to:

** Until the book no longer could be marketed due to the declaration of war in 1941, ''Gone With the Wind'' was a big bestseller in Nazi Germany. A UsefulNotes/NaziGermany. [[ThoseWackyNazis Bernhard Payr, a culture bureaucrat]], praised that the book taught that losing a war was worse than the preceding horrors of war and how it established a clear racial hierarchy between the "master class" and the subservient "good blacks".
27th Feb '18 2:34:43 PM Saveelich
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* JerkassWoobie: Is Scarlett a philandering bitch with no real sense of human emotion or empathy who will use, abuse, and kill anyone who stands in her way? Hell yes. Is she [[StayInTheKitchen more or less trained to be such]] [[StartOfDarkness as a byproduct of her own damaging environment,]] a woman pulverized by [[WarIsHell every single horrific fate the war and the New South dish out at her]], and someone who ultimately suffers for every one of her mistakes, with several empty relationships, dead family and children, and the one person she truly loved leaving her? ''Hell yes''.

to:

* JerkassWoobie: Is Scarlett a philandering bitch with no real sense of human emotion or empathy who will use, abuse, and kill anyone who stands in her way? Hell yes. Is she [[StayInTheKitchen more or less trained to be such]] [[StartOfDarkness as a byproduct of her own damaging environment,]] a woman pulverized by [[WarIsHell every single horrific fate the war and the New South dish out at her]], and someone who ultimately suffers for every one of her mistakes, with several empty relationships, dead family and children, and the one person she truly loved leaving her? ''Hell to the yes''.
15th Nov '17 3:08:44 AM EvilKid
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler:Bonnie's death]] could have been averted, had Rhett put his foot down and refused to give into [[spoiler:[[DaddysGirl Bonnie]]'s]] wishes in regards to making a [[spoiler:dangerous jump with her pony "Mr. Butler"[[spoiler:. The situation finishes ends with [[spoiler:the pony tripping over the bars... and Bonnie falling, breaking her neck, and dying.]]

to:

* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler:Bonnie's death]] could have been averted, had Rhett put his foot down and refused to give into [[spoiler:[[DaddysGirl Bonnie]]'s]] wishes in regards to making a [[spoiler:dangerous jump with her pony "Mr. Butler"[[spoiler:.Butler"]]. The situation finishes ends with [[spoiler:the pony tripping over the bars... and Bonnie falling, breaking her neck, and dying.]]
15th Nov '17 3:06:02 AM EvilKid
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* FauxSymbolism: Analysis of the book points out that the worsening war coincides with Melanie's worsening condition, Gerald's breakdown following Ellen's death represents those of the South who would never adjust to the changes that the war wrought. Most of all, Scarlett and Rhett's child, Bonnie represents their marriage--as such, her death represents its end.

to:

* FauxSymbolism: Analysis of the book points out that the worsening war coincides with Melanie's worsening condition, Gerald's breakdown following Ellen's death represents those of the South who would never adjust to the changes that the war wrought. Most of all, Scarlett and Rhett's child, Bonnie represents their marriage--as such, her [[spoiler:her death represents its end.]]



** Rhett's personality change and complete breakdown following Bonnie's death can be doubly painful to watch if one recalls that Creator/ClarkGable himself was similarly devastated when his wife Creator/CaroleLombard was killed in a plane crash just a few years after the film's release. Between the funeral and Gable's next appearance in a film, he had lost 20 pounds. It was remarked by Esther Williams that Gable was never really the same after that.

to:

** Rhett's personality change and complete breakdown following Bonnie's death [[spoiler:Bonnie's death]] can be doubly painful to watch if one recalls that Creator/ClarkGable himself was similarly devastated when his wife Creator/CaroleLombard was killed in a plane crash just a few years after the film's release. Between the funeral and Gable's next appearance in a film, he had lost 20 pounds. It was remarked by Esther Williams that Gable was never really the same after that.



** Scarlett herself, after Bonnie's death, when she relentlessly calls him a murderer. Couples have been known to say horrible things to each other after the death of a child, but that's beyond the pale.

to:

** Scarlett herself, after Bonnie's death, [[spoiler:Bonnie's death]], when she relentlessly calls him a murderer. Couples have been known to say horrible things to each other after the death [[spoiler:death of a child, child]], but that's beyond the pale.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Rhett (with the exception of Bonnie's death). Yes, Scarlett is horrible to him. But​ most of that is provoked by him being horrible to ''her''. He seems to get a sick thrill out of saying and doing things to make her upset or angry, then further taunting her by reacting with amusement when she loses her temper or not reacting at all. He forces himself on her, then ditches her the morning after then shows up days later to taunt her about being with another woman and disappear again, and he responds to the news of her pregnancy by asking who the father is and suggesting that she'd be happy to miscarry--one of several moments when he rejects her sincere efforts at reaching out to him. Overall, he really comes across like a jerk.

to:

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Rhett (with the exception of Bonnie's death).[[spoiler:Bonnie's death]]). Yes, Scarlett is horrible to him. But​ most of that is provoked by him being horrible to ''her''. He seems to get a sick thrill out of saying and doing things to make her upset or angry, then further taunting her by reacting with amusement when she loses her temper or not reacting at all. He forces himself on her, then ditches her the morning after then shows up days later to taunt her about being with another woman and disappear again, and he responds to the news of her pregnancy by asking who the father is and suggesting that she'd be happy to miscarry--one of several moments when he rejects her sincere efforts at reaching out to him. Overall, he really comes across like a jerk.



** Ironically, after Melanie's death in the book, Scarlett thinks to herself that ''[[SilkHidingSteel Melanie]]'' was the one actually with the reins, being kind and gentle but managing to not fully break either. Scarlet even thinks to herself that ''she was empowered by Melanie's own strength'' without noticing it.

to:

** Ironically, after Melanie's death [[spoiler:death]] in the book, Scarlett thinks to herself that ''[[SilkHidingSteel Melanie]]'' was the one actually with the reins, being kind and gentle but managing to not fully break either. Scarlet even thinks to herself that ''she was empowered by Melanie's own strength'' without noticing it.



* WhatAnIdiot: Bonnie's death could have been averted, had Rhett put his foot down and refused to give into [[DaddysGirl Bonnie]]'s wishes in regards to making a dangerous jump with her pony "Mr. Butler". The situation finishes ends with the pony tripping over the bars... and Bonnie falling, breaking her neck, and dying.

to:

* WhatAnIdiot: Bonnie's death [[spoiler:Bonnie's death]] could have been averted, had Rhett put his foot down and refused to give into [[DaddysGirl Bonnie]]'s [[spoiler:[[DaddysGirl Bonnie]]'s]] wishes in regards to making a dangerous [[spoiler:dangerous jump with her pony "Mr. Butler". Butler"[[spoiler:. The situation finishes ends with the [[spoiler:the pony tripping over the bars... and Bonnie falling, breaking her neck, and dying.]]
4th Nov '17 11:49:47 AM toongrrl1990
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Obviously reflecting how that time favored wasp-waisted women, on the other hand, the book mentioned Scarlett being proud of having plump legs.
This list shows the last 10 events of 129. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.GoneWithTheWind