History YMMV / Glee

2nd Sep '17 11:38:22 AM nombretomado
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** DarrenCriss isn't a bad actor, but he has a tendency to make the most ridiculous faces when he's singing as Blaine that can really ruin the mood of the song. The most jarring would have to be "Cough Syrup" which is a dramatic moment as it switches from Blaine singing to Karofsky preparing to take his own life but it gets ruined by Blaine making faces like [[http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzxcspv4Lf1qgcov3o1_500.png this]].

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** DarrenCriss Creator/DarrenCriss isn't a bad actor, but he has a tendency to make the most ridiculous faces when he's singing as Blaine that can really ruin the mood of the song. The most jarring would have to be "Cough Syrup" which is a dramatic moment as it switches from Blaine singing to Karofsky preparing to take his own life but it gets ruined by Blaine making faces like [[http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzxcspv4Lf1qgcov3o1_500.png this]].
2nd Sep '17 11:35:09 AM nombretomado
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* FandomHeresy: Let's just say that there aren't many places in the ''Series/{{Glee}}'' fandom where it's safe to admit that you don't much like Lea Michele's singing voice, and leave it at that. Creator/ChrisColfer and DarrenCriss (if not [[BaseBreakingCharacter their characters]]) also tend to be sacred cows.

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* FandomHeresy: Let's just say that there aren't many places in the ''Series/{{Glee}}'' fandom where it's safe to admit that you don't much like Lea Michele's singing voice, and leave it at that. Creator/ChrisColfer and DarrenCriss Creator/DarrenCriss (if not [[BaseBreakingCharacter their characters]]) also tend to be sacred cows.
11th Aug '17 1:57:56 PM ectostar
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** There is something of a battle over Kurt's portrayal. His CampGay persona is quite controversial: as the show is so popular, many believe that it gives a bad representation of gays to the mainstream as ''Series/WillAndGrace'' did years ago. Others believe that having an openly gay character who is neither StraightGay nor the least bit ashamed is a good thing. Still others believe that Kurt's message became more important than the actual character.

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** There is something of a battle over Kurt's portrayal. His CampGay persona is quite controversial: as the show is so popular, many believe that it gives a bad representation of gays gay people to the mainstream as ''Series/WillAndGrace'' did years ago. Others believe that having an openly gay character who is neither StraightGay nor the least bit ashamed is a good thing. Still others believe that Kurt's message became more important than the actual character.



** Kurt's speech to Blaine who is questioning his sexuality in "Blame It On The Alcohol", where he states that [[NoBisexuals bisexuality doesn't exist and that men claiming to be bisexuality are really just closeted gays]]. While it could just be dismissed as Kurt holding the JerkassBall, and Blaine does call him out on his insensitivity, the fact that Kurt is validated at the end of the episode combined with his usual history of being seen as an AuthorAvatar regarding LGBT issues [[http://bitchmagazine.org/post/visibility-glee%E2%80%99s-problem-with-bisexual-men-television-feminism was seen by many viewers as a case of the show being biphobic]]. Not helping were comments from [[WordOfGod Ryan Murphy]] made soon after regarding the fact that Blaine is 100% gay that "itís very important to young kids that they know this character [Blaine] is one of them", as if bisexual kids don't matter. Especially considering male bisexuality has even less representation in the media than male homosexuality does.

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** Kurt's speech to Blaine who is questioning his sexuality in "Blame It On The Alcohol", where he states that [[NoBisexuals bisexuality doesn't exist and that men claiming to be bisexuality are really just closeted gays]].gay people]]. While it could just be dismissed as Kurt holding the JerkassBall, and Blaine does call him out on his insensitivity, the fact that Kurt is validated at the end of the episode combined with his usual history of being seen as an AuthorAvatar regarding LGBT issues [[http://bitchmagazine.org/post/visibility-glee%E2%80%99s-problem-with-bisexual-men-television-feminism was seen by many viewers as a case of the show being biphobic]]. Not helping were comments from [[WordOfGod Ryan Murphy]] made soon after regarding the fact that Blaine is 100% gay that "itís very important to young kids that they know this character [Blaine] is one of them", as if bisexual kids don't matter. Especially considering male bisexuality has even less representation in the media than male homosexuality does.



** Kurt in general has been accused of being an unflattering stereotype of homosexuals. While Kurt is commended for his courage in not hiding his sexuality and standing up to adversity, he is also [[OffendingTheCreatorsOwn rather disliked by many gay viewers]] for being hard to identify with due to his extreme CampGay tendencies or [[http://www.remotepatrolled.com/2010/05/glees-gay-problem/ criticized]] for [[http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2011/mar/15/kurt-hummel-glee-gay doing more harm than good]] for representation of gays in the media. On top of that is resentment over the above-mentioned issues and the way he's seen as a mouthpiece for controversial views expressed by some portions of the gay community that are not necessarily shared by the rest of its members.

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** Kurt in general has been accused of being an unflattering stereotype of homosexuals.gay people. While Kurt is commended for his courage in not hiding his sexuality and standing up to adversity, he is also [[OffendingTheCreatorsOwn rather disliked by many gay viewers]] for being hard to identify with due to his extreme CampGay tendencies or [[http://www.remotepatrolled.com/2010/05/glees-gay-problem/ criticized]] for [[http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2011/mar/15/kurt-hummel-glee-gay doing more harm than good]] for representation of gays gay people in the media. On top of that is resentment over the above-mentioned issues and the way he's seen as a mouthpiece for controversial views expressed by some portions of the gay community that are not necessarily shared by the rest of its members.
11th Aug '17 1:55:11 PM ectostar
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** The storyline about Quinn trying to get Beth back [[http://popcrush.com/glee-petition-adoption/ was criticized by adoption advocates]] for giving a bad image of open adoptions, as well as just factual inaccuracy (i.e. once the birth parents sign away their parental rights they're gone for good, so if the adoptive parent is declared to be "unfit," the child is taken into foster care, not given to the birth parents). They petitioned the show to do a PSA dispelling myths about adoption; so far, nothing has come of it, but the controversial storyline also seems to have been wrapped up.

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** The storyline about Quinn trying to get Beth back [[http://popcrush.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20170718070156/http://popcrush.com/glee-petition-adoption/ was criticized by adoption advocates]] for giving a bad image of open adoptions, as well as just factual inaccuracy (i.e. once the birth parents sign away their parental rights they're gone for good, so if the adoptive parent is declared to be "unfit," the child is taken into foster care, not given to the birth parents). They petitioned the show to do a PSA dispelling myths about adoption; so far, nothing has come of it, but the controversial storyline also seems to have been wrapped up.
7th Aug '17 3:59:49 PM StillWeepingWillow
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** The military themes in Finn's character arc. His steadfast belief that his father became a war hero during his service in Iraq is not likely to sit well with viewers who oppose the Iraq war. Also, the general theme of military heroism and pride can seem pretty bizarre to viewers in several countries outside the US (especially in many European countries), where the armed forces have a decidedly less good reputation.

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** The military themes in Finn's character arc. His steadfast belief that his father became a war hero during his service in Iraq is not likely to sit well with viewers who oppose the Iraq war. Also, the general theme of military heroism and pride can seem pretty bizarre to viewers in several countries outside the US (especially in many European countries), countries) where the armed forces have a decidedly less good reputation.reputation and the idea of taking pride in being a soldier tends to be associated with aggressive jingoists and/or morally dubious MyCountryRightOrWrong / JustFollowingOrders types rather than with morally upstanding individuals.
7th Aug '17 3:52:05 PM StillWeepingWillow
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: The message of Rachel's speech criticizing the celibacy club in the second episode of the first season was probably intended to be "trying to enforce abstinence in high schools is a bad idea", which is certainly a fairly reasonable point to make. However, with the way Rachel phrases things, it can easily seem as if she's actually not just arguing that ''enforcing'' abstinence on a collective level doesn't work, but that she's making the sweeping generalization that even ''personally choosing'' to remain abstinent is impossible to teenagers because [[HormoneAddledTeenager they're so completely under the control of their hormones]].



* ValuesDissonance: Many international viewers have expressed surprise that this show portrays teachers hugging their students, something forbidden in the UK but mostly[[note]]prohibited in some schools, yes[[/note]] common in US schools.

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Many international viewers have expressed surprise that this show portrays teachers hugging their students, something forbidden in the UK but mostly[[note]]prohibited in some schools, yes[[/note]] common in US schools.schools.
** The military themes in Finn's character arc. His steadfast belief that his father became a war hero during his service in Iraq is not likely to sit well with viewers who oppose the Iraq war. Also, the general theme of military heroism and pride can seem pretty bizarre to viewers in several countries outside the US (especially in many European countries), where the armed forces have a decidedly less good reputation.
1st Aug '17 1:57:16 AM Phunner1821
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** Kurt's behavior in "Grilled Cheesus" was treated as unreasonable, but was it, really? It would be one thing to tell friends they're not allowed to pray, but they went beyond praying - they made a big show of being religious in his dad's waiting room, despite the fact that no one except Carol, Finn and maybe Mercedes actually knew Burt. Also, Mercedes wouldn't accept Kurt's atheism until he went to church with her, but Kurt is supposed to be the intolerant one? No wonder some atheists [[http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/goodbye_to_glee/ got really pissed off.]]

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** Kurt's behavior in "Grilled Cheesus" was treated as unreasonable, but was it, really? It would be one thing to tell friends they're not allowed to pray, but they went beyond praying - they made a big show of being religious in his dad's waiting room, despite the fact that no one except Carol, Finn and maybe Mercedes actually knew Burt.Burt, and [[CreatorsPet Rachel]], the person in the room who was the least close to Burt (tied with Quinn) was the one who go the solo over his bedside. Also, Mercedes wouldn't accept Kurt's atheism until he went to church with her, but Kurt is supposed to be the intolerant one? No wonder some atheists [[http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/goodbye_to_glee/ got really pissed off.]] ]]
** Also Sue in the same episode. She is seen as cynical and vindictive for robbing Kurt of the chance for comfort with religious songs from his friends and not believing in God. Though she didn't trick Kurt into anything, and barely had to convince him, she just had to convince him that she didn't have any alterier motives, which seems to be true. And Emma asks her to keep her religious views to herself, but despite Sue being so open about everything and giving many long winded monologues about serious topics, this is a year in and we had never heard of her Atheism before this, while most religious characters have made their beliefs known by now. The only way that the show even slightly acknowledges this is when Sue responds saying she needs to keep HER beliefs to herself and Emma can't reply.
16th Jul '17 3:13:23 PM tardismama
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** The Crisscolfer (Darren Criss and Chris Colfer) shipping is... shall we say, Intense... (to be polite)
28th Jun '17 3:29:05 AM Piterpicher
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Since the list was getting ridiculous, we now have a whole [[Theme/{{Glee}} separate page]] dedicated to listing every episode's [[SarcasmMode incredibly subtle]] theme.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: Since the list was getting ridiculous, we now have a whole [[Theme/{{Glee}} [[Sandbox/GleeTheme separate page]] dedicated to listing every episode's [[SarcasmMode incredibly subtle]] theme.
9th Jun '17 3:45:12 PM nombretomado
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** There is something of a battle over Kurt's portrayal. His CampGay persona is quite controversial: as the show is so popular, many believe that it gives a bad representation of gays to the mainstream as WillAndGrace did years ago. Others believe that having an openly gay character who is neither StraightGay nor the least bit ashamed is a good thing. Still others believe that Kurt's message became more important than the actual character.

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** There is something of a battle over Kurt's portrayal. His CampGay persona is quite controversial: as the show is so popular, many believe that it gives a bad representation of gays to the mainstream as WillAndGrace ''Series/WillAndGrace'' did years ago. Others believe that having an openly gay character who is neither StraightGay nor the least bit ashamed is a good thing. Still others believe that Kurt's message became more important than the actual character.
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