History YMMV / GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex

3rd Jul '17 7:04:09 PM Mullon
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** ''2nd Gig'' is focused primarily on a refugee crisis. In 2015, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East and their use a pawns in clashing political ideologies made the second season suddenly uncomfortably relevant.

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** ''2nd Gig'' is focused focuses primarily on a refugee crisis. In 2015, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East and their use a pawns in clashing political ideologies made makes the second season suddenly uncomfortably relevant.



** Then on the other end of the complaint spectrum is ''VideoGame/GhostInTheShellFirstAssaultOnline''. By most accounts it is a perfectly serviceable shooter, since it is just a shooter it does not have the time or space to delve into the various metaphysical aspects of the show.

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** Then on the other end of the complaint spectrum is ''VideoGame/GhostInTheShellFirstAssaultOnline''. By most accounts it is a perfectly serviceable shooter, but since it is just a an online shooter it does not have the time or space to delve into the various metaphysical aspects of the show.show which annoys some fans.
28th Jun '17 2:01:19 AM lalalei2001
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* {{Woolseyism}}: Since a lot of characters speak without opening their mouths, there's more room for this than in most productions. The dub usually strays really close to the subtitle's translations, but there are a few times when some minor improvements are snuck in. A notable one is when Batou sees a rich man's collection of expensive cars and remarks, "What a shame." The dub inserts the line afterward, "All these beauties in captivity, when you should be running free in the wild." Entirely in-character for Batou, and funny to boot. Another is when a Tachikoma is shot to pieces on a highway by a tank they're pursuing; its brain is fine, fortunately, and the Major tells it to sit tight. The dub adds the line "Sure thing... since I can't move..."

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* {{Woolseyism}}: Since a lot of characters speak without opening their mouths, there's more room for this than in most productions. The dub usually strays really close to the subtitle's translations, but there are a few times when some minor improvements are snuck in. A notable one is when Batou sees a rich man's collection of expensive cars and remarks, "What a shame." The dub inserts the line afterward, "All these beauties in captivity, when you should be running free in the wild." Entirely in-character for Batou, and funny to boot. Another is when a Tachikoma is shot to pieces on a highway by a tank they're pursuing; its brain is fine, fortunately, and the Major tells it to sit tight. The dub adds the line "Sure thing... since I can't move...""
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24th Jun '17 7:31:09 PM Mullon
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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first season is still good, 2nd Gig could be considered an improvement, with more episodes tying into the overarching plot, including the "stand alone" episodes (even the infamous NIGHT CRUISE episode), delving into the Major's backstory (and at the same time giving the main conflict more of a personal meaning) and with a more satisfying ending compared to the more anticlimactic ending of the first season. The Major also starts wearing pants.

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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first season is still good, 2nd Gig could be considered an improvement, with more episodes tying into the overarching plot, including the "stand alone" episodes (even the infamous NIGHT CRUISE episode), delving into the Major's backstory (and at the same time giving the main conflict more of a personal meaning) and with a more satisfying ending compared to the more anticlimactic ending of the first season. The Major also starts wearing pants.



** ''2nd Gig'' deals about the refugee crisis which one of the important plot points of the show. In 2015, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East made the show very relevant.

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** ''2nd Gig'' deals about the is focused primarily on a refugee crisis which one of the important plot points of the show. crisis. In 2015, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East and their use a pawns in clashing political ideologies made the show very second season suddenly uncomfortably relevant.



* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: Aside from the [=PS2=] and PSP games listed under TheProblemWithLicensedGames, initial impressions to [[http://store.steampowered.com/app/369200 the multiplayer shooter]], ''First Assault Online'', are mostly positive according to user reviews.



* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Mostly averted in both the [=PS2=] and PSP spin-off games. Both games have plenty of character interaction that you'd expect to experience from Section 9's members, and has deeply fleshed out storylines and dialogue that tie neatly into the SAC universe as ''Stand Alone'' episodes. Connections to [[NoodleIncident the Nemuro Landing Operation]] in particular for the [=PS2=] game. The problems are that they're technically mediocre, featuring loose Run-N-Gun controls, difficult platforming, fair graphics (for 2006-era games), cheap AI, and downright horrible music that usually consists of a few boring notes looping every 30 seconds or so. They're faithful to the series' established lore and storylines, but aren't presented in the best fashions.

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: TheProblemWithLicensedGames:
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Mostly averted in both the [=PS2=] and PSP spin-off games. Both games have plenty of character interaction that you'd expect to experience from Section 9's members, and has deeply fleshed out storylines and dialogue that tie neatly into the SAC universe as ''Stand Alone'' episodes. Connections to [[NoodleIncident the Nemuro Landing Operation]] in particular for the [=PS2=] game. The problems are that they're technically mediocre, featuring loose Run-N-Gun controls, difficult platforming, fair graphics (for 2006-era games), cheap AI, and downright horrible music that usually consists of a few boring notes looping every 30 seconds or so. They're faithful to the series' established lore and storylines, but aren't presented in the best fashions.fashions.
** Then on the other end of the complaint spectrum is ''VideoGame/GhostInTheShellFirstAssaultOnline''. By most accounts it is a perfectly serviceable shooter, since it is just a shooter it does not have the time or space to delve into the various metaphysical aspects of the show.
18th Jun '17 6:27:38 PM DRCEQ
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: No information is ever given about Proto in the few appearances he makes in 2nd Gig. It isn't until he [[spoiler: falls victim to an attack barrier and reveals that he's a Bio-Android prototype that we ever learn anything]]. Unfortunately, this comes near the end of the series, and really plays no part of the story, and such a detail was never hinted at or mentioned again. It may have been an AbortedArc that somehow still got some details through, or a possible SequelHook for another plotline.
** There was one small hint. [[spoiler: Proto is short for Prototype.]]
** NIGHT CRUISE is an entire BizarroEpisode, even considering the series' other Stand Alone episodes. Other than a quick conversation between Section 9 off-handedly tying it to the Individual Eleven arc in the last couple of minutes of the episode, it serves no purpose other than being a WholePlotReference to ''Film/TaxiDriver'', and Section 9 barely even shows up.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
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No information is ever given about Proto in the few appearances he makes in 2nd Gig. It isn't until he [[spoiler: falls victim to an attack barrier and reveals that he's a Bio-Android [[Manga/AppleSeed Bioroid]] prototype that we ever learn anything]]. Unfortunately, this comes near the end of the series, and really plays no part of the story, and such a detail was never hinted at or mentioned again. It may have been an AbortedArc only serves as a reminder that somehow still got some details through, or a possible SequelHook for another plotline.
** There was one small hint. [[spoiler: Proto is short for Prototype.]]
''Ghost in the Shell'' and Manga/{{Appleseed}} share [[TheVerse the same universe]].
** NIGHT CRUISE is an entire BizarroEpisode, even considering the series' other Stand Alone episodes. Other than a quick conversation between Section 9 off-handedly tying it to the Individual Eleven arc in the last couple of minutes of the episode, it serves no purpose other than being a WholePlotReference to ''Film/TaxiDriver'', and Section 9 barely even shows up. The episode in whole serves as world-building for the general situation that many refugees have to deal with.
24th Apr '17 4:34:39 AM sayaleviathan
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** ''2nd Gig'' deals about the refugee crisis which one of the important plot points of the show. Eleven years later, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East made the show seemed very relevant.

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** ''2nd Gig'' deals about the refugee crisis which one of the important plot points of the show. Eleven years later, In 2015, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East made the show seemed very relevant.
18th Apr '17 9:44:59 AM SorPepita
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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first season is still good, 2nd Gig could be considered an improvement, with more episodes tying into the overarching plot, including the "stand alone" episodes (even the infamous NIGHT CRUISE episode,) delving into the Major's backstory (and at the same time giving the main conflict more of a personal meaning) and with a more satisfying ending compared to the more anticlimactic ending of the first season. The Major also starts wearing pants.

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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first season is still good, 2nd Gig could be considered an improvement, with more episodes tying into the overarching plot, including the "stand alone" episodes (even the infamous NIGHT CRUISE episode,) episode), delving into the Major's backstory (and at the same time giving the main conflict more of a personal meaning) and with a more satisfying ending compared to the more anticlimactic ending of the first season. The Major also starts wearing pants.



** While the concept may be derived from a much older work, it's hard not to see Kenji Kamiyama's choice to use this particular idea for the series in light of the wave of anti-American sentiment sweeping the international community during the mid-Bush years when both seasons were made. Kamiyama seems none too fond of capitalism either. What makes all this particularly [[{{Irony}} ironic]] is that the series was partially funded with American and British money, Bandai USA and MangaEntertainment, specifically).

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** While the concept may be derived from a much older work, it's hard not to see Kenji Kamiyama's choice to use this particular idea for the series in light of the wave of anti-American sentiment sweeping the international community during the mid-Bush years when both seasons were made. Kamiyama seems none too fond of capitalism either. What makes all this particularly [[{{Irony}} ironic]] is that the series was partially funded with American and British money, Bandai money (Bandai USA and MangaEntertainment, specifically).
7th Apr '17 1:53:16 AM sayaleviathan
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* HarsherInHindsight: Even though no one is surprised, the recent confirmations of CIA atrocities during the Vietnam War and the War on Terror seem way to close to what the American Empire (a very hard Boorish {{Eagleland}}) did in South America after [[DividedStatesOfAmerica the U.S. fell apart after World War III]], as revealed in "JUNGLE CRUISE".

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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Even though no one is surprised, the recent confirmations of CIA atrocities during the Vietnam War and the War on Terror seem way to close to what the American Empire (a very hard Boorish {{Eagleland}}) did in South America after [[DividedStatesOfAmerica the U.S. fell apart after World War III]], as revealed in "JUNGLE CRUISE".CRUISE".
** ''2nd Gig'' deals about the refugee crisis which one of the important plot points of the show. Eleven years later, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East made the show seemed very relevant.
26th Jan '17 10:37:12 PM Ominae
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** While the concept may be derived from a much older work, it's hard not to see Kenji Kamiyama's choice to use this particular idea for the series in light of the wave of anti-American sentiment sweeping the international community during the mid-Bush years when both seasons were made. Kamiyama seems none too fond of capitalism either. What makes all this particularly [[{{Irony}} ironic]] is that the series was partially funded with American and British money ({{Bandai}} USA and MangaEntertainment, specifically).

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** While the concept may be derived from a much older work, it's hard not to see Kenji Kamiyama's choice to use this particular idea for the series in light of the wave of anti-American sentiment sweeping the international community during the mid-Bush years when both seasons were made. Kamiyama seems none too fond of capitalism either. What makes all this particularly [[{{Irony}} ironic]] is that the series was partially funded with American and British money ({{Bandai}} money, Bandai USA and MangaEntertainment, specifically).
14th Jan '17 2:24:03 PM DocJamore
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** It's hard not to see the similarities between Hideo Kuze and left-wing revolutionaries such as UsefulNotes/CheGuevara (the Major even explicitly compares them at one point), plus the similarities between his vision of the "superstructure" and a socialist utopia. That the second season's other (far less sympathetically portrayed) villain is a right-wing bureaucrat who has a close working relationship with the imperialist [[{{Eagleland}} Americans]] and is jonesing for a return to Japan's Cold War economic golden era is also somewhat eyebrow-raising. America has also been portrayed as an openly imperial power that conducted an openly imperialistic invasion of Mexico in the series. This does tend to fit the usual leftist narrative that describes America as an evil imperialistic capitalist hyper power.

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** It's hard not to see the similarities between Hideo Kuze and left-wing revolutionaries such as UsefulNotes/CheGuevara (the Major even explicitly compares them at one point), plus the similarities between his vision of the "superstructure" and a socialist utopia. That the second season's other (far less sympathetically portrayed) villain is a right-wing bureaucrat who has a close working relationship with the imperialist [[{{Eagleland}} Americans]] and is jonesing for a return to Japan's Cold War economic golden era is also somewhat eyebrow-raising. America has also been portrayed as an openly imperial power that conducted an openly imperialistic invasion of Mexico in the series. This does tend to fit the usual leftist narrative that describes America as an evil imperialistic capitalist hyper super power.
10th Oct '16 10:17:25 AM creader
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* FanNickname: "[[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Jabba]] the Home Affairs Minister" - the Minister of Home Affairs, the man Aramaki reports to and a {{Gonk}} among Gonks.



* ShipTease: ANGELS' SHARE features one between the Major and Aramaki. Other episodes tease Major x Batou.
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