History YMMV / GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex

3rd Apr '18 10:43:18 AM TheMountainKing
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* MagnificentBastard: Kuze. The man took a bunch of frightened refugees in a revolution against the Japanese government. The goal with the refugees only failed because of factors Kuze could not reasonably have planned.

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* MagnificentBastard: Kuze. The man took turned a bunch of frightened refugees in into a revolution revolutionary force against the Japanese government. The goal with the refugees revolution only failed because of factors Kuze could not reasonably have planned.
4th Mar '18 8:24:16 PM nombretomado
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** If you were wondering who the identity of the fifty-ish looking man with important knowledge of The Laughing Man was in the "Chat" episode of season 1, pay close attention and you'll notice that [[spoiler:he and TLM share the same VA, SteveBlum (with each at opposite ends of his vocal range, no less) meaning they may well have been the same person.]]

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** If you were wondering who the identity of the fifty-ish looking man with important knowledge of The Laughing Man was in the "Chat" episode of season 1, pay close attention and you'll notice that [[spoiler:he and TLM share the same VA, SteveBlum Creator/SteveBlum (with each at opposite ends of his vocal range, no less) meaning they may well have been the same person.]]
9th Feb '18 1:06:02 AM DoctorNeoRaptor
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* HilariousInHindsight: Aramaki looks very similar to [[Franchise/MegaMan Doctor Wily]]. Not too funny on its own, but then you realise that Dr. Wily had robots under his control in almost every game, and Aramaki is in charge of a police department comprised almost entirely of robots and cyborgs.
25th Jan '18 5:05:18 PM nombretomado
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: For the first season, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIVgSuuUTwQ Inner Universe]]. For the second, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KnGorAuA4 Rise]]. You could set this to [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Rei Ayanami]], carrying out [[AssimilationPlot Instrumentality]], and it would ''still'' be nine kinds of awesome.

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For the first season, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIVgSuuUTwQ Inner Universe]]. For the second, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KnGorAuA4 Rise]]. You could set this to [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Rei Ayanami]], carrying out [[AssimilationPlot Instrumentality]], and it would ''still'' be nine kinds of awesome.



** While the concept may be derived from a much older work, it's hard not to see Kenji Kamiyama's choice to use this particular idea for the series in light of the wave of anti-American sentiment sweeping the international community during the mid-Bush years when both seasons were made. Kamiyama seems none too fond of capitalism either. What makes all this particularly [[{{Irony}} ironic]] is that the series was partially funded with American and British money (Bandai USA and MangaEntertainment, specifically).

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** While the concept may be derived from a much older work, it's hard not to see Kenji Kamiyama's choice to use this particular idea for the series in light of the wave of anti-American sentiment sweeping the international community during the mid-Bush years when both seasons were made. Kamiyama seems none too fond of capitalism either. What makes all this particularly [[{{Irony}} ironic]] is that the series was partially funded with American and British money (Bandai USA and MangaEntertainment, Creator/MangaEntertainment, specifically).
5th Jan '18 7:53:00 PM FateStayWho
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* MagnificentBastard: Kuze.

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* {{HSQ}}: Very high given the series numerous twists, especially in 2nd Gig.
* MagnificentBastard: Kuze. The man took a bunch of frightened refugees in a revolution against the Japanese government. The goal with the refugees only failed because of factors Kuze could not reasonably have planned.
** Aramaki has his moments.
** Gohda is certainly a rotten bastard, but undeniably a magnificent one. He created the Individual 11 Virus, got people to look for it by spreading rumors, and Section 9 had no idea about his virus until one of them nearly got infected by it. For the rest of the reason, everything goes his way, even with Kuze breaking free from the virus. Even when Gohda's plans are thwarted, he still had a back up plan to escape any punishment, but that time it wasn't enough.



* MoodWhiplash: The Tachikoma shorts. ''Full''. ''Stop''. It can be pretty jarring to go from a serious science-fiction police procedural to a bunch of cutesy, blue tanks goofing around with each other.

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* MoodWhiplash: The Tachikoma shorts. ''Full''. ''Stop''. It can be pretty jarring MoralEventHorizon: Gohda appears to go from first cross it when he tricks a serious science-fiction police procedural panicking soldier into firing into a group of unarmed refugees, leading to the entire group being killed, for no other reason besides he thought it was fun. Turns out he crossed it well before that when he created the virus that turned people into the Individual 11, creating a bunch dozen terrorists who killed hundreds of cutesy, blue tanks goofing around with each other.people and left an order for anybody infected by the virus to kill themselves.



* ValuesResonance: Despite the influence of Japanese politics, the conflict in 2nd Gig revolving around the plight of refugees, with no easy solution and them suffering from locals with no sympathy towards their plight, easily touches audiences across borders, especially in light of the refugee crisis in 2015.



** Prime Minister Kayabuki might also count for some viewers. The poor woman could really use a vacation...

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** Prime Minister Kayabuki might also count Kayabuki. She's a rare good politician in a very cynical world, and her party intended her to serve as figurehead. When things keep getting worse and worse, she tries to action to help Section 9 to help stop a war, and her own cabinet has her arrested for some viewers. The poor woman could really use a vacation...treason for it and fully intended to set up to take the fall for Godha's plans.
21st Aug '17 8:48:15 AM Mullon
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** Then on the other end of the complaint spectrum is ''VideoGame/GhostInTheShellFirstAssaultOnline''. By most accounts it is a perfectly serviceable shooter, but since it is just a an online shooter it does not have the time or space to delve into the various metaphysical aspects of the show which annoys some fans.

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** Then on On the other end of the complaint spectrum is ''VideoGame/GhostInTheShellFirstAssaultOnline''. By most accounts it is it's a perfectly serviceable shooter, but since it is it's just a an online shooter it does not have the time or space to delve into the various metaphysical aspects of the show show, which annoys some fans.
3rd Jul '17 7:04:09 PM Mullon
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** ''2nd Gig'' is focused primarily on a refugee crisis. In 2015, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East and their use a pawns in clashing political ideologies made the second season suddenly uncomfortably relevant.

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** ''2nd Gig'' is focused focuses primarily on a refugee crisis. In 2015, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East and their use a pawns in clashing political ideologies made makes the second season suddenly uncomfortably relevant.



** Then on the other end of the complaint spectrum is ''VideoGame/GhostInTheShellFirstAssaultOnline''. By most accounts it is a perfectly serviceable shooter, since it is just a shooter it does not have the time or space to delve into the various metaphysical aspects of the show.

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** Then on the other end of the complaint spectrum is ''VideoGame/GhostInTheShellFirstAssaultOnline''. By most accounts it is a perfectly serviceable shooter, but since it is just a an online shooter it does not have the time or space to delve into the various metaphysical aspects of the show.show which annoys some fans.
28th Jun '17 2:01:19 AM lalalei2001
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* {{Woolseyism}}: Since a lot of characters speak without opening their mouths, there's more room for this than in most productions. The dub usually strays really close to the subtitle's translations, but there are a few times when some minor improvements are snuck in. A notable one is when Batou sees a rich man's collection of expensive cars and remarks, "What a shame." The dub inserts the line afterward, "All these beauties in captivity, when you should be running free in the wild." Entirely in-character for Batou, and funny to boot. Another is when a Tachikoma is shot to pieces on a highway by a tank they're pursuing; its brain is fine, fortunately, and the Major tells it to sit tight. The dub adds the line "Sure thing... since I can't move..."

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* {{Woolseyism}}: Since a lot of characters speak without opening their mouths, there's more room for this than in most productions. The dub usually strays really close to the subtitle's translations, but there are a few times when some minor improvements are snuck in. A notable one is when Batou sees a rich man's collection of expensive cars and remarks, "What a shame." The dub inserts the line afterward, "All these beauties in captivity, when you should be running free in the wild." Entirely in-character for Batou, and funny to boot. Another is when a Tachikoma is shot to pieces on a highway by a tank they're pursuing; its brain is fine, fortunately, and the Major tells it to sit tight. The dub adds the line "Sure thing... since I can't move...""
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24th Jun '17 7:31:09 PM Mullon
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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first season is still good, 2nd Gig could be considered an improvement, with more episodes tying into the overarching plot, including the "stand alone" episodes (even the infamous NIGHT CRUISE episode), delving into the Major's backstory (and at the same time giving the main conflict more of a personal meaning) and with a more satisfying ending compared to the more anticlimactic ending of the first season. The Major also starts wearing pants.

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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first season is still good, 2nd Gig could be considered an improvement, with more episodes tying into the overarching plot, including the "stand alone" episodes (even the infamous NIGHT CRUISE episode), delving into the Major's backstory (and at the same time giving the main conflict more of a personal meaning) and with a more satisfying ending compared to the more anticlimactic ending of the first season. The Major also starts wearing pants.



** ''2nd Gig'' deals about the refugee crisis which one of the important plot points of the show. In 2015, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East made the show very relevant.

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** ''2nd Gig'' deals about the is focused primarily on a refugee crisis which one of the important plot points of the show. crisis. In 2015, the migrant crisis in Europe caused by the ongoing chaos in the Middle East and their use a pawns in clashing political ideologies made the show very second season suddenly uncomfortably relevant.



* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: Aside from the [=PS2=] and PSP games listed under TheProblemWithLicensedGames, initial impressions to [[http://store.steampowered.com/app/369200 the multiplayer shooter]], ''First Assault Online'', are mostly positive according to user reviews.



* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Mostly averted in both the [=PS2=] and PSP spin-off games. Both games have plenty of character interaction that you'd expect to experience from Section 9's members, and has deeply fleshed out storylines and dialogue that tie neatly into the SAC universe as ''Stand Alone'' episodes. Connections to [[NoodleIncident the Nemuro Landing Operation]] in particular for the [=PS2=] game. The problems are that they're technically mediocre, featuring loose Run-N-Gun controls, difficult platforming, fair graphics (for 2006-era games), cheap AI, and downright horrible music that usually consists of a few boring notes looping every 30 seconds or so. They're faithful to the series' established lore and storylines, but aren't presented in the best fashions.

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: TheProblemWithLicensedGames:
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Mostly averted in both the [=PS2=] and PSP spin-off games. Both games have plenty of character interaction that you'd expect to experience from Section 9's members, and has deeply fleshed out storylines and dialogue that tie neatly into the SAC universe as ''Stand Alone'' episodes. Connections to [[NoodleIncident the Nemuro Landing Operation]] in particular for the [=PS2=] game. The problems are that they're technically mediocre, featuring loose Run-N-Gun controls, difficult platforming, fair graphics (for 2006-era games), cheap AI, and downright horrible music that usually consists of a few boring notes looping every 30 seconds or so. They're faithful to the series' established lore and storylines, but aren't presented in the best fashions.fashions.
** Then on the other end of the complaint spectrum is ''VideoGame/GhostInTheShellFirstAssaultOnline''. By most accounts it is a perfectly serviceable shooter, since it is just a shooter it does not have the time or space to delve into the various metaphysical aspects of the show.
18th Jun '17 6:27:38 PM DRCEQ
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: No information is ever given about Proto in the few appearances he makes in 2nd Gig. It isn't until he [[spoiler: falls victim to an attack barrier and reveals that he's a Bio-Android prototype that we ever learn anything]]. Unfortunately, this comes near the end of the series, and really plays no part of the story, and such a detail was never hinted at or mentioned again. It may have been an AbortedArc that somehow still got some details through, or a possible SequelHook for another plotline.
** There was one small hint. [[spoiler: Proto is short for Prototype.]]
** NIGHT CRUISE is an entire BizarroEpisode, even considering the series' other Stand Alone episodes. Other than a quick conversation between Section 9 off-handedly tying it to the Individual Eleven arc in the last couple of minutes of the episode, it serves no purpose other than being a WholePlotReference to ''Film/TaxiDriver'', and Section 9 barely even shows up.

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No information is ever given about Proto in the few appearances he makes in 2nd Gig. It isn't until he [[spoiler: falls victim to an attack barrier and reveals that he's a Bio-Android [[Manga/AppleSeed Bioroid]] prototype that we ever learn anything]]. Unfortunately, this comes near the end of the series, and really plays no part of the story, and such a detail was never hinted at or mentioned again. It may have been an AbortedArc only serves as a reminder that somehow still got some details through, or a possible SequelHook for another plotline.
** There was one small hint. [[spoiler: Proto is short for Prototype.]]
''Ghost in the Shell'' and Manga/{{Appleseed}} share [[TheVerse the same universe]].
** NIGHT CRUISE is an entire BizarroEpisode, even considering the series' other Stand Alone episodes. Other than a quick conversation between Section 9 off-handedly tying it to the Individual Eleven arc in the last couple of minutes of the episode, it serves no purpose other than being a WholePlotReference to ''Film/TaxiDriver'', and Section 9 barely even shows up. The episode in whole serves as world-building for the general situation that many refugees have to deal with.
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