History YMMV / Genesis

16th Jun '16 12:08:18 PM ElatedFalconine
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** When it comes to the fans who think the band lost their way in the '80s, was their last truly good album ''The Lamb'' (the last album with Gabriel), or was it ''Wind and Wuthering'' (the last album with Steve Hackett)? Some even think the trio era had one or two good albums before moving straight into pop.

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** When it comes to the fans who think the band lost their way in the '80s, was their last truly good great album ''The Lamb'' (the last album with Gabriel), or was it ''Wind and Wuthering'' (the last album with Steve Hackett)? Some even think the trio era had one or two (or even three or four) good albums before moving straight into pop.
5th May '16 12:16:57 PM Berrenta
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* ItGetsBetter: The storyline is not particularly interesting until about halfway through the game, at which point it suddenly picks up the pace.

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* ItGetsBetter: SlowPacedBeginning: The storyline is not particularly interesting until about halfway through the game, at which point it suddenly picks up the pace.
30th Apr '16 8:09:20 AM 123456789
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* SophomoreSlump: Averted with ''Trespass'', almost universally considered a huge improvement over ''From Genesis to Revelation''. The band had kept writing songs during their early tours and cherry-picked the numbers that went over especially well for the album.

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* SophomoreSlump: Averted Averted, if not Inverted with ''Trespass'', almost universally considered a huge improvement over ''From Genesis to Revelation''. The band had kept writing songs during their early tours and cherry-picked the numbers that went over especially well for the album.



** "Firth of Daryl"[[note]] Referring to touring guitarist Daryl Steurmer taking Steve Hackett's epic "Firth of Fifth" middle section and turning it into a Music/VanHalen-esque generic guitar solo[[/note]], along with many other examples of the Collins-era band trying to cover Gabriel-era material. On the other hand, Gabriel actually praised Collins' renditions of his songs, claiming that Collins "sang them better" than he did. [[labelnote:Although...]]He did have mixed feelings about Collins' rendition of "Music/SuppersReady", but that was mainly because the song was so personal to him; he compared it to seeing someone trying on your old clothes and being unsure if they'll fit.[[/labelnote]]

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** "Firth of Daryl"[[note]] Referring to touring guitarist Daryl Steurmer taking Steve Hackett's epic "Firth of Fifth" middle section and turning it into a Music/VanHalen-esque generic guitar solo[[/note]], along with many other examples of the Collins-era band trying to cover Gabriel-era material. On the other hand, Gabriel actually praised Collins' renditions of his songs, claiming that Collins "sang them better" than he did. [[labelnote:Although...]]He did have mixed feelings about Collins' rendition of "Music/SuppersReady", [[JustifiedTrope but that was mainly because the song was so personal to him; him]]; he compared it to seeing someone trying on your old clothes and being unsure if they'll fit.[[/labelnote]]
17th Mar '16 4:34:53 PM 123456789
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* [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously Took The Bad Album Seriously]]: Ray Wilson, whose work with Genesis, and the album, ''Calling All Stations'', resulting it, was killed by fan indifference before it could begin, has seemed to parlay that brief time into a substantial career. To this day, he still performs songs from ''Calling All Stations'' live and recently appeared as a guest singer at Steve Hackett's 2013 ''Genesis Revisited II'' show at the Royal Albert Hall.

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* [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously Took The Bad Album Seriously]]: Ray Wilson, whose work with Genesis, and Genesis on the album, album ''Calling All Stations'', resulting it, which was killed by fan indifference before it could begin, outright panned, has seemed to parlay that his brief time stint into a substantial career. To this day, he still performs songs from ''Calling All Stations'' live and recently appeared as a guest singer at Steve Hackett's 2013 ''Genesis Revisited II'' show at the Royal Albert Hall.
17th Mar '16 4:29:55 PM 123456789
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* [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously Took The Bad Album Seriously]]: Ray Wilson, whose work with Genesis, and the album, ''Calling All Stations'', resulting it, was killed by fan indifference before it could begin, has seemed to parlay that brief time into a substantial career. To this day, he still performs songs from ''Calling All Stations'' live and recently appeared as a guest singer at Steve Hackett's 2013 ''Genesis Revisited II'' show at the Royal Albert Hall.
15th Feb '16 6:09:05 AM 123456789
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** While averting this when succeding him as the above, Collins following Gabriel into a solo career; it was Johnny Carson who once introduced him as "The man who made a career out of being not as good as Peter Gabriel."
** In a certain sense, Daryl Stuermer's guitar and bass work, along with Chester Thompson's drumming, might get compared and contrasted to the musicians whose contributions they have to recreate in live performance. This might ''especially'' be the case for Daryl's recreations of Steve Hackett's guitar work, as unlike Mike Rutherford or Phil Collins, Hackett's physical presence onstage is missing from the trio-era lineup.

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** While averting this when succeding him Gabriel as the above, lead singer, Collins following Gabriel him into a solo career; it was Johnny Carson who once introduced him as "The man who made a career out of being not as good as Peter Gabriel."
** In a certain sense, the rhythm section of Daryl Stuermer's guitar Stuermer (guitar, bass) and bass work, along with Chester Thompson's drumming, Thompson (drums) might get compared and contrasted to the musicians whose contributions they have to recreate in live performance. This might ''especially'' be the case for Daryl's recreations of Steve Hackett's guitar work, as unlike Mike Rutherford or Phil Collins, Hackett's physical presence onstage is missing from the trio-era lineup.
15th Feb '16 6:04:01 AM 123456789
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* CultClassic: Of ALL things, ''Calling All Stations'', the sole album recorded with Ray Wilson.
15th Feb '16 5:59:41 AM 123456789
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Oh, so many. "Watcher of the Skies" from ''Foxtrot'' immediately springs to mind.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Oh, so many. "Watcher of the Skies" from ''Foxtrot'' immediately springs to mind.mind, what with its epic intro played on the Mellotron.



* BrokenBase: Oh God, and how! To name just a few points of contention:

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* BrokenBase: [[BigOMG Oh God, My God]], and how! To name just a few points of contention:



** Their first album also qualifies. Not only were Phil and Steve not on it[[note]]They weren't on the second album, ''Trespass'', either, but that album is closer to the band's typical style than the first one, and fans (and the band) still consider it a good album[[/note]], but the band does not own the rights to it, and it is distributed to the few who want to hear it by another company. Thus, most official discographies and catalogues make no mention of it. It's also pretty different from even their second album. Several demo pieces from it (missing the shitty string section [[ExecutiveMeddling forced on the band by manager Jonathan King]]) did make it onto the band's first box set.

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** Their first album also qualifies. Not only were Phil and Steve not on it[[note]]They weren't on the second album, ''Trespass'', either, but that album is closer to the band's typical style than the first one, and fans (and the band) still consider it a good album[[/note]], but the band does not own the rights to it, and it is distributed to the few who want to hear it by another company. Thus, most official discographies and catalogues make no mention of it. It's also pretty different from even their second album. Several demo pieces from it (missing the shitty excuse of a string section [[ExecutiveMeddling forced on the band by manager Jonathan King]]) did make it onto the band's first box set.



** Collins following Gabriel into a solo career; it was Johnny Carson who once introduced him as "The man who made a career out of being not as good as Peter Gabriel."

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** While averting this when succeding him as the above, Collins following Gabriel into a solo career; it was Johnny Carson who once introduced him as "The man who made a career out of being not as good as Peter Gabriel."
8th Feb '16 5:37:25 AM Freshmeat
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*** Side one hell. The whole album is generally considered a masterpiece and the band's MagnumOpus. [[note]]Although many, including Phil Collins himself, feel that the album gets progressively weaker towards the end[[/note]] Probably not the place to start for someone new to the band though - ''Foxtrot'' and ''Selling England'' are good choices.

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*** Side one hell. The whole album is generally considered a masterpiece and the band's MagnumOpus.masterpiece. [[note]]Although many, including Phil Collins himself, feel that the album gets progressively weaker towards the end[[/note]] Probably not the place to start for someone new to the band though - ''Foxtrot'' and ''Selling England'' are good choices.
6th Feb '16 12:19:59 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* MagnumOpus: ''Foxtrot'', ''Selling England by the Pound'', or ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'' for the prog era. Probably ''Duke'' or ''Invisible Touch'' for the pop era.
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