History YMMV / Genesis

14th Nov '17 3:56:05 PM 123456789
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** Tony also gets a hefty share of the blame from the band's fanbase over Gabriel and Hackett's departures. This despite the fact that both have mentioned the level of creative freedom they wanted would have been impossible in ''any'' kind of band structure. This has gone as far as claims that he ordered the engineers on ''Seconds Out'' to mix Hackett's guitar all the way to the back (something Tony once said as a joke, and Hackett denies ever really happened).

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** Tony also gets a hefty share of the blame from the band's fanbase over Gabriel and Hackett's departures. [[note]]Gabriel left the band due to family matters, and Hackett left due to the in-group fighting from individual songwriting credits as mentioned above[[/note]] This despite the fact that both have mentioned the level of creative freedom they wanted would have been impossible in ''any'' kind of band structure. This has gone as far as claims that he ordered the engineers on ''Seconds Out'' to mix Hackett's guitar all the way to the back (something Tony once said as a joke, and Hackett denies ever really happened).
5th Nov '17 5:55:02 PM bt8257
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: "Harold the Barrel" from the album ''Nursery Cryme''.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: "Harold the Barrel" from the album ''Nursery Cryme''.



* {{Misblamed}}: As mentioned in FaceOfTheBand above, a lot of people think Phil dragged Mike and Tony kicking and screaming into the pop-rock 80's. WordOfGod (Tony) says that the near opposite is true. If not for him, Mike and Phil would be a straight up pop band, and Tony is the one keeping what little prog-rock influence there is in the band. And even then Tony's written his share of pop songs as well.

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* {{Misblamed}}: MisBlamed: As mentioned in FaceOfTheBand above, a lot of people think Phil dragged Mike and Tony kicking and screaming into the pop-rock 80's. WordOfGod (Tony) says that the near opposite is true. If not for him, Mike and Phil would be a straight up pop band, and Tony is the one keeping what little prog-rock influence there is in the band. And even then Tony's written his share of pop songs as well.



** To a lesser extent, Foxtrot helped make Genesis one of the top prog bands in England and parts of Europe, and Selling England By The Pound gave Genesis their first small taste of touring success in the US (and their first chart success, 'I Know What I Like' reaching 21 in the UK chart).

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** To a lesser extent, Foxtrot ''Foxtrot'' helped make Genesis them one of the top prog bands in England and parts of Europe, and Selling ''Selling England By The Pound by the Pound'' gave Genesis their first small taste of touring success in the US (and their first chart success, 'I Know What I Like' reaching 21 in the UK chart).



** "Firth of Daryl"[[note]] Referring to touring guitarist Daryl Steurmer taking Steve Hackett's epic "Firth of Fifth" middle section and turning it into a Music/VanHalen-esque generic guitar solo[[/note]], along with many other examples of the Collins-era band trying to cover Gabriel-era material. On the other hand, Gabriel actually praised Collins' renditions of his songs, claiming that Collins "sang them better" than he did. [[labelnote:Although...]]He did have mixed feelings about Collins' rendition of "Music/SuppersReady", [[JustifiedTrope but that was mainly because the song was so personal to him]]; he compared it to seeing someone trying on your old clothes and being unsure if they'll fit.[[/labelnote]]
** Can also, oddly enough, refer to the band's choice of equipment. Hardcore fans blame the Korg Wavestation for Tony Banks' muddy, generic sound in the 1990's, and many (and occasionally even bandmembers) will point out that quite a few of the older songs don't sound particularly well on anything but the old, worn-out, temperamental machines they were recorded on [[note]]In particular, "Watcher of the Skies" was recorded on a [=MkII=] Mellotron, an analogue sampler using magnetic tape, and one not meant for anything but studio use. When it finally broke for the last time, the band switched to a "portable" Mellotron M400, whose single manual keyboard as opposed to the [=MkII=]'s dual manuals (the second manual's part was played on bass pedals) sucked the life out of the song and led to its retirement[[/note]]. And let's not get into Phil Collins and drum machines unless you want to open another can of worms.
* [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously Took The Bad Album Seriously]]: Ray Wilson, whose work with Genesis on the album ''Calling All Stations'' was outright panned, has seemed to parlay his brief stint into a substantial career. To this day, he still performs songs from ''Calling All Stations'' live and recently appeared as a guest singer at Steve Hackett's 2013 ''Genesis Revisited II'' show at the Royal Albert Hall. [[http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ray-wilson/2017/park-cegielnia-ory-poland-5be77330.html Currently more than half his live set list consists of Genesis covers,]] including several songs originally recorded long before he joined the band.

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** "Firth of Daryl"[[note]] Referring to touring guitarist Daryl Steurmer taking Steve Hackett's epic "Firth of Fifth" middle section and turning it into a generic Music/VanHalen-esque generic guitar solo[[/note]], along with many other examples of the Collins-era band trying to cover Gabriel-era material. On the other hand, Gabriel actually praised Collins' renditions of his songs, claiming that Collins "sang them better" than he did. [[labelnote:Although...]]He did have mixed feelings about Collins' rendition of "Music/SuppersReady", [[JustifiedTrope but that was mainly because the song was so personal to him]]; he compared it to seeing someone trying on your old clothes and being unsure if they'll fit.[[/labelnote]]
** Can also, oddly enough, refer to the band's choice of equipment. Hardcore fans blame the Korg Wavestation for Tony Banks' muddy, generic sound in the 1990's, 1990s, and many (and occasionally even bandmembers) will point out that quite a few of the older songs don't sound particularly well on anything but the old, worn-out, temperamental machines they were recorded on [[note]]In particular, "Watcher of the Skies" was recorded on a [=MkII=] Mellotron, an analogue sampler using magnetic tape, and one not meant for anything but studio use. When it finally broke for the last time, the band switched to a "portable" Mellotron M400, whose single manual keyboard as opposed to the [=MkII=]'s dual manuals (the second manual's part was played on bass pedals) sucked the life out of the song and led to its retirement[[/note]]. And let's not get into Phil Collins and drum machines unless you want to open another can of worms.
* [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously Took The Bad Album Seriously]]: TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Ray Wilson, whose work with Genesis on the album ''Calling All Stations'' was outright panned, has seemed to parlay his brief stint into a substantial career. To this day, he still performs songs from ''Calling All Stations'' live and recently appeared as a guest singer at Steve Hackett's 2013 ''Genesis Revisited II'' show at the Royal Albert Hall. [[http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ray-wilson/2017/park-cegielnia-ory-poland-5be77330.html Currently more than half his live set list consists of Genesis covers,]] including several songs originally recorded long before he joined the band.
29th Oct '17 1:51:55 PM bt8257
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* BrokenBase: [[BigOMG Oh My God]], and how! To name just a few points of contention:

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* BrokenBase: [[BigOMG Oh My God]], and And how! To name just a few points of contention:
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* ArchivePanic: With over 40 years worth of material plus [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes all kinds of bootlegs and]] each member's solo material, new fans can find it all a bit daunting.
** Anthony Philips' solo catalogue ''alone'' (counting his program music, soundtracks and ''Private Parts And Pieces'' series) can be hard to keep up with, and very rare finds.

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* ArchivePanic: With over 40 years worth of material material, plus [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes all kinds of bootlegs and]] each member's solo material, new fans can find it all a bit daunting.
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daunting. Anthony Philips' solo catalogue ''alone'' (counting his program music, soundtracks and ''Private Parts And Pieces'' series) can be hard to keep up with, and very rare finds.
29th Oct '17 12:48:07 PM bt8257
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* ArchivePanic: With over forty years' worth of material plus [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes all kinds of bootlegs and]] each member's solo material, new fans can find it all a bit daunting.

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* ArchivePanic: With over forty years' 40 years worth of material plus [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes all kinds of bootlegs and]] each member's solo material, new fans can find it all a bit daunting.



*** Side one hell. The whole album is generally considered a masterpiece. [[note]]Although many, including Phil Collins himself, feel that the album gets progressively weaker towards the end[[/note]] Probably not the place to start for someone new to the band though - ''Nursery Cryme'', ''Foxtrot'', and ''Selling England'' are good choices.

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*** Side one hell. The whole album is generally considered a masterpiece. [[note]]Although many, including Phil Collins Creator/PhilCollins himself, feel that the album gets progressively weaker towards the end[[/note]] Probably not the place to start for someone new to the band though - ''Nursery Cryme'', ''Foxtrot'', and ''Selling England'' are good choices.
17th Sep '17 8:22:42 PM CassandraLeo
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** Ironically, given the fights over Collins versus Gabriel among fans, some listeners have reported having trouble even distinguishing Collins' voice from Gabriel's, which could make him almost a SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute, at least as vocalist.

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** Ironically, given the fights over Collins versus Gabriel among fans, some listeners have reported having trouble even distinguishing Collins' voice from Gabriel's, which could make him almost a SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute, at least as vocalist. They do have similar accents and vocal timbres.
20th Aug '17 1:25:11 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY: [[spoiler: ''KingdomHearts'' meets ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' (with a dash of ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'').]]
29th Jul '17 5:15:37 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY: [[spoiler: ''KingdomHearts'' meets ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' (with a dash of ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'').]]
14th Jun '17 4:56:54 PM 123456789
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** Can also, oddly enough, refer to the band's choice of equipment. Hardcore fans blame the Korg Wavestation for Tony Banks' muddy, generic sound in the 1990's, and many (and occasionally even bandmembers) will point out that quite a few of the older songs don't sound particularly well on anything but the old, worn-out, temperamental machines they were recorded on [[note]]In particular, "Watcher of the Skies" was recorded on a [=MkII=] Mellotron, an analogue sampler using magnetic tape, and one not meant for anything but studio use. When it finally broke for the last time, the band switched to a "portable" Mellotron M400, whose single manual keyboard as opposed to the MkII's dual manuals sucked the life out of the song and led to its retirement[[/note]]. And let's not get into Phil Collins and drum machines unless you want to open another can of worms.

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** Can also, oddly enough, refer to the band's choice of equipment. Hardcore fans blame the Korg Wavestation for Tony Banks' muddy, generic sound in the 1990's, and many (and occasionally even bandmembers) will point out that quite a few of the older songs don't sound particularly well on anything but the old, worn-out, temperamental machines they were recorded on [[note]]In particular, "Watcher of the Skies" was recorded on a [=MkII=] Mellotron, an analogue sampler using magnetic tape, and one not meant for anything but studio use. When it finally broke for the last time, the band switched to a "portable" Mellotron M400, whose single manual keyboard as opposed to the MkII's [=MkII=]'s dual manuals (the second manual's part was played on bass pedals) sucked the life out of the song and led to its retirement[[/note]]. And let's not get into Phil Collins and drum machines unless you want to open another can of worms.
14th Jun '17 4:52:45 PM 123456789
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** Can also, oddly enough, refer to the band's choice of equipment. Hardcore fans blame the Korg Wavestation for Tony Banks' muddy, generic sound in the 1990's, and many (and occasionally even bandmembers) will point out that quite a few of the older songs don't sound particularly well on anything but the old, worn-out, temperamental machines they were recorded on [[note]]In particular, "Watcher of the Skies" was recorded on a [=MkII=] Mellotron, an analogue sampler using magnetic tape, and one not meant for anything but studio use. When it finally broke for the last time, the band switched to a "portable" Mellotron M400, which sucked the life out of the song and led to its retirement[[/note]]. And let's not get into Phil Collins and drum machines...

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** Can also, oddly enough, refer to the band's choice of equipment. Hardcore fans blame the Korg Wavestation for Tony Banks' muddy, generic sound in the 1990's, and many (and occasionally even bandmembers) will point out that quite a few of the older songs don't sound particularly well on anything but the old, worn-out, temperamental machines they were recorded on [[note]]In particular, "Watcher of the Skies" was recorded on a [=MkII=] Mellotron, an analogue sampler using magnetic tape, and one not meant for anything but studio use. When it finally broke for the last time, the band switched to a "portable" Mellotron M400, which whose single manual keyboard as opposed to the MkII's dual manuals sucked the life out of the song and led to its retirement[[/note]]. And let's not get into Phil Collins and drum machines...machines unless you want to open another can of worms.



** While averting this when succeding Gabriel as the lead singer, Collins following him into a solo career; it was Johnny Carson who once introduced him as "The man who made a career out of being not as good as Peter Gabriel."

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** While averting this when succeding succeeding Gabriel as the lead singer, Collins following him into a solo career; it was career would count as well. Tonight Show host Johnny Carson who once introduced him as "The man who made a career out of being not as good as Peter Gabriel."Gabriel" for this reason.



** The costumes also helped Gabriel with his stage fright too.

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** [[SerendipityWritesThePlot The costumes also helped Gabriel with his stage fright too.too]].
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