History YMMV / GemmaDoyle

12th Feb '17 10:14:12 AM akanesarumara
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* TearJerker: The scene in which Gemma realizes that [[spoiler: Felicity]] was abused as a child, particularly when she warns Polly to always lock her door at night.
** Read that reveal. Then reread the first book at the part where [[spoiler: Felicity, who has been excited about her dad coming to the ball for parents, gets a letter from him which amounts to "sorry kiddo couldn't make it." Her father raped her repeatedly as a child, and yet she cannot help but wish for his company, wish to make him proud, and cries in the rain when he just cannot show up despite his earlier promise.]]

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* TearJerker: The Heaps of it, really.
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scene in which Gemma realizes that [[spoiler: Felicity]] was abused as a child, particularly when she warns Polly to always lock her door at night.
** *** Read that reveal. Then reread the first book at the part where [[spoiler: Felicity, who has been excited about her dad coming to the ball for parents, gets a letter from him which amounts to "sorry kiddo couldn't make it." Her father raped her repeatedly as a child, and yet she cannot help but wish for his company, wish to make him proud, and cries in the rain when he just cannot show up despite his earlier promise.]]



** Anne's situation. An orphan girl tormented at school both because she is poor and under the excuse that "what's the use being nice to her now when society will tear us apart afterwards anyways?", and the only relatives she has, the ones she is told to be grateful to for having sent her to Spence, only did so because that way they will get a governess for their kids for only food and lodging whom they won't have to pay.

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** Anne's situation. An orphan girl tormented at school both because she is poor and under the excuse that "what's the use being nice to her now when society will tear us apart afterwards anyways?", and the only relatives she has, the ones she is told to be grateful to for having sent her to Spence, only did so because that way they will get a governess for their kids for only food and lodging whom they won't have to pay. For part of the books she has a huge and adorable crush on Tom, but with him looking for a rich wife, she was set up to fail from the start in that regard.
** Pippa's life seems to be so perfect, with her being so beautiful and all, right? No. [[spoiler: She has epilepsy, which she barely has medication for and which is so shameful that she has to keep it in the deepest secret. When Gemma and co find out she is afraid they will abandon her, when her parents are afraid they cannot wait any longer before it becomes common knowledge, they try to force her into marrying the first rich guy capable of settling her father's debts. Small wonder she is DrivenToSuicide.]]
12th Feb '17 10:03:20 AM akanesarumara
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* TearJerker: The scene in which Gemma realizes that [[spoiler: Felicity]] was abused as a child, particularly when she warns Polly to always lock her door at night.

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* TearJerker: The scene in which Gemma realizes that [[spoiler: Felicity]] was abused as a child, particularly when she warns Polly to always lock her door at night.night.
** Read that reveal. Then reread the first book at the part where [[spoiler: Felicity, who has been excited about her dad coming to the ball for parents, gets a letter from him which amounts to "sorry kiddo couldn't make it." Her father raped her repeatedly as a child, and yet she cannot help but wish for his company, wish to make him proud, and cries in the rain when he just cannot show up despite his earlier promise.]]
** Anything to do with the addiction of Gemma's dad. Tom ignores it and got him addicted to laudanum in the first place, Gemma tries to solve it with magic but a few days later finds him in an opium den, and he does not get better by the end.
** Anne's situation. An orphan girl tormented at school both because she is poor and under the excuse that "what's the use being nice to her now when society will tear us apart afterwards anyways?", and the only relatives she has, the ones she is told to be grateful to for having sent her to Spence, only did so because that way they will get a governess for their kids for only food and lodging whom they won't have to pay.
15th Jan '17 11:16:06 PM DustSnitch
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** In ''The Sweet Far Thing'', Gemma finally confronts the Rakshana when [[spoiler:they threaten to kill her brother.]] She quickly demonstrates [[BadAss what]] [[BewareTheNiceOnes a bad]] [[CurbStompBattle idea]] [[MamaBear this is.]]

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** In ''The Sweet Far Thing'', Gemma finally confronts the Rakshana when [[spoiler:they threaten to kill her brother.]] She quickly demonstrates [[BadAss what]] what [[BewareTheNiceOnes a bad]] [[CurbStompBattle idea]] [[MamaBear this is.]]



* TearJerker: The scene in which Gemma realizes that [[spoiler: Felicity]] was abused as a child, particularly when she warns Polly to always lock her door at night.

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* TearJerker: The scene in which Gemma realizes that [[spoiler: Felicity]] was abused as a child, particularly when she warns Polly to always lock her door at night.
17th Jul '15 1:13:09 PM Scabbard
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** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..cleavage.]]

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** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..her... cleavage.]]
9th Nov '14 2:48:55 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: It's a little awkward that [[spoiler: Felicity]], who turns out to be a lesbian, was sexually abused as a child, since it plays into the not-uncommon but erroneous belief that [[RapeAndSwitch lesbianism is caused by bad experiences with men]]. That doesn't seem to be the author's intention at all, but...
26th Dec '13 12:04:16 AM mlsmithca
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Bare minimum, three per book. As a conservative estimate.

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: DeathOfTheAuthor: A theory Libba Bray seems to fully espouse, often answering questions with "that is open to interpretation" or giving her idea but adding other people may see it differently. According to her, "[[http://libba-bray.livejournal.com/27836.html It will be YOUR job to assign futures to Gemma and her friends, to imagine what roads they travel, what adventures they might have next, whether they find love and success and contentment, and if they do, to imagine what forms that happiness takes]]."
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Several of Gemma's [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]] inner monologues, and translations of what people say to what they actually mean.
* LesYay: There's already canon lesbianism, but given that most of the major characters are female (and often ''really good friends'' with each other), there's no way these books wouldn't be rife with this. Name two female characters, any two female characters, and you can probably make a pretty good argument for it, especially if [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Gemma]] is involved.
** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..cleavage.]]
** This is also used in-universe: when reading about Mary and Sarah, the girls immediately wonder if their unusually close friendship is actually a cover for them being "Sapphists" (lesbians).
* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome:
Bare minimum, three per book. As a conservative estimate.



** Impossible to forget the [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarious scene]] when Felicity causes [[MagnificentBastard Lady Denby]] to loudly break wind after harassing Ann in ''Rebel Angels''
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Several of Gemma's [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]] inner monologues, and translations of what people say to what they actually mean.
* DeathOfTheAuthor: A theory Libba Bray seems to fully espouse, often answering questions with "that is open to interpretation" or giving her idea but adding other people may see it differently. According to her, "[[http://libba-bray.livejournal.com/27836.html It will be YOUR job to assign futures to Gemma and her friends, to imagine what roads they travel, what adventures they might have next, whether they find love and success and contentment, and if they do, to imagine what forms that happiness takes]]."
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Plenty of it dispersed throughout the three novels, including but not limited to some of Gemma's visions (especially in ''Rebel Angels''), the Poppy Warriors, the water nymphs, and some of the more supernatural nighttime occurances at Spence.
* LesYay: There's already canon lesbianism, but given that most of the major characters are female (and often ''really good friends'' with each other), there's no way these books wouldn't be rife with this. Name two female characters, any two female characters, and you can probably make a pretty good argument for it, especially if [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Gemma]] is involved.
** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..cleavage.]]
** This is also used in-universe: when reading about Mary and Sarah, the girls immediately wonder if their unusually close friendship is actually a cover for them being "Sapphists" (lesbians).

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** Impossible to forget the [[CrowningMomentOfFunny [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments hilarious scene]] when Felicity causes [[MagnificentBastard Lady Denby]] to loudly break wind after harassing Ann in ''Rebel Angels''
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Several of Gemma's [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]] inner monologues, and translations of what people say to what they actually mean.
* DeathOfTheAuthor: A theory Libba Bray seems to fully espouse, often answering questions with "that is open to interpretation" or giving her idea but adding other people may see it differently. According to her, "[[http://libba-bray.livejournal.com/27836.html It will be YOUR job to assign futures to Gemma and her friends, to imagine what roads they travel, what adventures they might have next, whether they find love and success and contentment, and if they do, to imagine what forms that happiness takes]]."
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel:
NightmareFuel: Plenty of it dispersed throughout the three novels, including but not limited to some of Gemma's visions (especially in ''Rebel Angels''), the Poppy Warriors, the water nymphs, and some of the more supernatural nighttime occurances at Spence.
* LesYay: There's already canon lesbianism, but given that most of the major characters are female (and often ''really good friends'' with each other), there's no way these books wouldn't be rife with this. Name two female characters, any two female characters, and you can probably make a pretty good argument for it, especially if [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Gemma]] is involved.
** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..cleavage.]]
** This is also used in-universe: when reading about Mary and Sarah, the girls immediately wonder if their unusually close friendship is actually a cover for them being "Sapphists" (lesbians).
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23rd Dec '13 10:24:43 PM qazwsx
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* DeathOfTheAuthor: A theory Libba Bray seems to fully espouse, often answering questions with "that is open to interpretation" or giving her idea but adding other people may see it differently. According to her, "[[http://libba-bray.livejournal.com/27836.html It will be YOUR job to assign futures to Gemma and her friends, to imagine what roads they travel, what adventures they might have next, whether they find love and success and contentment, and if they do, to imagine what forms that happiness takes]]."


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* LesYay: There's already canon lesbianism, but given that most of the major characters are female (and often ''really good friends'' with each other), there's no way these books wouldn't be rife with this. Name two female characters, any two female characters, and you can probably make a pretty good argument for it, especially if [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Gemma]] is involved.
** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..cleavage.]]
** This is also used in-universe: when reading about Mary and Sarah, the girls immediately wonder if their unusually close friendship is actually a cover for them being "Sapphists" (lesbians).
5th Mar '12 10:20:59 AM helterskelter
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* UnfortunateImplications: It's a little awkward that [[spoiler: Felicity]], who turns out to be a lesbian, was sexually abused as a child, since it plays into the not-uncommon but erroneous belief that [[RapeAndSwitch lesbianism is caused by bad experiences with men]]. That doesn't seem to be the author's intention at all, but...
** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]] [[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. The books' message goes from [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped "you don't need a man"]] to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "every man you're ever going to meet is a jerk or stupid so just rely on yourselves."]]

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* UnfortunateImplications: It's a little awkward that [[spoiler: Felicity]], who turns out to be a lesbian, was sexually abused as a child, since it plays into the not-uncommon but erroneous belief that [[RapeAndSwitch lesbianism is caused by bad experiences with men]]. That doesn't seem to be the author's intention at all, but...
** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]] [[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. The books' message goes from [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped "you don't need a man"]] to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "every man you're ever going to meet is a jerk or stupid so just rely on yourselves."]]
but...
29th Jan '12 8:35:16 AM LadySalmakia
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** Impossible to forget the [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarious scene]] when Felicity causes [[MagnificentBastard Lady Denby]] to loudly break wind after harassing Ann in ''Rebel Angels''
26th Jan '12 2:58:14 PM tobydelgato
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** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]][[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. The books' message goes from [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped "you don't need a man"]] to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "every man you're ever going to meet is a jerk or stupid so just rely on yourselves."]]

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** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]][[YourMileageMayVary Kartik]] [[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. The books' message goes from [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped "you don't need a man"]] to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "every man you're ever going to meet is a jerk or stupid so just rely on yourselves."]]
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