History YMMV / GemmaDoyle

17th Jul '15 1:13:09 PM Scabbard
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** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..cleavage.]]

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** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..her... cleavage.]]
9th Nov '14 2:48:55 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: It's a little awkward that [[spoiler: Felicity]], who turns out to be a lesbian, was sexually abused as a child, since it plays into the not-uncommon but erroneous belief that [[RapeAndSwitch lesbianism is caused by bad experiences with men]]. That doesn't seem to be the author's intention at all, but...
26th Dec '13 12:04:16 AM mlsmithca
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Bare minimum, three per book. As a conservative estimate.

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: DeathOfTheAuthor: A theory Libba Bray seems to fully espouse, often answering questions with "that is open to interpretation" or giving her idea but adding other people may see it differently. According to her, "[[http://libba-bray.livejournal.com/27836.html It will be YOUR job to assign futures to Gemma and her friends, to imagine what roads they travel, what adventures they might have next, whether they find love and success and contentment, and if they do, to imagine what forms that happiness takes]]."
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Several of Gemma's [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]] inner monologues, and translations of what people say to what they actually mean.
* LesYay: There's already canon lesbianism, but given that most of the major characters are female (and often ''really good friends'' with each other), there's no way these books wouldn't be rife with this. Name two female characters, any two female characters, and you can probably make a pretty good argument for it, especially if [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Gemma]] is involved.
** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..cleavage.]]
** This is also used in-universe: when reading about Mary and Sarah, the girls immediately wonder if their unusually close friendship is actually a cover for them being "Sapphists" (lesbians).
* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome:
Bare minimum, three per book. As a conservative estimate.



** Impossible to forget the [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarious scene]] when Felicity causes [[MagnificentBastard Lady Denby]] to loudly break wind after harassing Ann in ''Rebel Angels''
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Several of Gemma's [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]] inner monologues, and translations of what people say to what they actually mean.
* DeathOfTheAuthor: A theory Libba Bray seems to fully espouse, often answering questions with "that is open to interpretation" or giving her idea but adding other people may see it differently. According to her, "[[http://libba-bray.livejournal.com/27836.html It will be YOUR job to assign futures to Gemma and her friends, to imagine what roads they travel, what adventures they might have next, whether they find love and success and contentment, and if they do, to imagine what forms that happiness takes]]."
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Plenty of it dispersed throughout the three novels, including but not limited to some of Gemma's visions (especially in ''Rebel Angels''), the Poppy Warriors, the water nymphs, and some of the more supernatural nighttime occurances at Spence.
* LesYay: There's already canon lesbianism, but given that most of the major characters are female (and often ''really good friends'' with each other), there's no way these books wouldn't be rife with this. Name two female characters, any two female characters, and you can probably make a pretty good argument for it, especially if [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Gemma]] is involved.
** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..cleavage.]]
** This is also used in-universe: when reading about Mary and Sarah, the girls immediately wonder if their unusually close friendship is actually a cover for them being "Sapphists" (lesbians).

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** Impossible to forget the [[CrowningMomentOfFunny [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments hilarious scene]] when Felicity causes [[MagnificentBastard Lady Denby]] to loudly break wind after harassing Ann in ''Rebel Angels''
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Several of Gemma's [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]] inner monologues, and translations of what people say to what they actually mean.
* DeathOfTheAuthor: A theory Libba Bray seems to fully espouse, often answering questions with "that is open to interpretation" or giving her idea but adding other people may see it differently. According to her, "[[http://libba-bray.livejournal.com/27836.html It will be YOUR job to assign futures to Gemma and her friends, to imagine what roads they travel, what adventures they might have next, whether they find love and success and contentment, and if they do, to imagine what forms that happiness takes]]."
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel:
NightmareFuel: Plenty of it dispersed throughout the three novels, including but not limited to some of Gemma's visions (especially in ''Rebel Angels''), the Poppy Warriors, the water nymphs, and some of the more supernatural nighttime occurances at Spence.
* LesYay: There's already canon lesbianism, but given that most of the major characters are female (and often ''really good friends'' with each other), there's no way these books wouldn't be rife with this. Name two female characters, any two female characters, and you can probably make a pretty good argument for it, especially if [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Gemma]] is involved.
** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..cleavage.]]
** This is also used in-universe: when reading about Mary and Sarah, the girls immediately wonder if their unusually close friendship is actually a cover for them being "Sapphists" (lesbians).
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23rd Dec '13 10:24:43 PM qazwsx
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* DeathOfTheAuthor: A theory Libba Bray seems to fully espouse, often answering questions with "that is open to interpretation" or giving her idea but adding other people may see it differently. According to her, "[[http://libba-bray.livejournal.com/27836.html It will be YOUR job to assign futures to Gemma and her friends, to imagine what roads they travel, what adventures they might have next, whether they find love and success and contentment, and if they do, to imagine what forms that happiness takes]]."


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* LesYay: There's already canon lesbianism, but given that most of the major characters are female (and often ''really good friends'' with each other), there's no way these books wouldn't be rife with this. Name two female characters, any two female characters, and you can probably make a pretty good argument for it, especially if [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Gemma]] is involved.
** Not to mention the part in the first book after the girls get drunk for the first time. [[spoiler: Felicity seemed really happy to show Ann how to "be intimate", complete with pulling one of the sleeves of her dress down to the point of seeing her..cleavage.]]
** This is also used in-universe: when reading about Mary and Sarah, the girls immediately wonder if their unusually close friendship is actually a cover for them being "Sapphists" (lesbians).
5th Mar '12 10:20:59 AM helterskelter
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* UnfortunateImplications: It's a little awkward that [[spoiler: Felicity]], who turns out to be a lesbian, was sexually abused as a child, since it plays into the not-uncommon but erroneous belief that [[RapeAndSwitch lesbianism is caused by bad experiences with men]]. That doesn't seem to be the author's intention at all, but...
** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]] [[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. The books' message goes from [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped "you don't need a man"]] to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "every man you're ever going to meet is a jerk or stupid so just rely on yourselves."]]

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* UnfortunateImplications: It's a little awkward that [[spoiler: Felicity]], who turns out to be a lesbian, was sexually abused as a child, since it plays into the not-uncommon but erroneous belief that [[RapeAndSwitch lesbianism is caused by bad experiences with men]]. That doesn't seem to be the author's intention at all, but...
** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]] [[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. The books' message goes from [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped "you don't need a man"]] to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "every man you're ever going to meet is a jerk or stupid so just rely on yourselves."]]
but...
29th Jan '12 8:35:16 AM LadySalmakia
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** Impossible to forget the [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarious scene]] when Felicity causes [[MagnificentBastard Lady Denby]] to loudly break wind after harassing Ann in ''Rebel Angels''
26th Jan '12 2:58:14 PM tobydelgato
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** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]][[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. The books' message goes from [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped "you don't need a man"]] to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "every man you're ever going to meet is a jerk or stupid so just rely on yourselves."]]

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** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]][[YourMileageMayVary Kartik]] [[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. The books' message goes from [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped "you don't need a man"]] to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "every man you're ever going to meet is a jerk or stupid so just rely on yourselves."]]
26th Jan '12 2:57:56 PM tobydelgato
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** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]][[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. [[YourMileageMayVary Not that that's a good thing]] [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop to have in a series aimed at the 12+ crowd.]]

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** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]][[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. [[YourMileageMayVary Not that that's The books' message goes from [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped "you don't need a good thing]] man"]] to [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "every man you're ever going to have in meet is a series aimed at the 12+ crowd.]] jerk or stupid so just rely on yourselves."]]
26th Jan '12 2:56:10 PM tobydelgato
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** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]][[YMMV might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. [[YMMV Not that that's a good thing.]]

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** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]][[YMMV Kartik]][[YourMileageMayVary might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. [[YMMV [[YourMileageMayVary Not that that's a good thing.thing]] [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop to have in a series aimed at the 12+ crowd.]]
26th Jan '12 2:55:15 PM tobydelgato
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** Sometimes the books go from being feminist to being incredibly sexist towards men. While one could see this as justifiable behavior on the part of the girls, do keep in mind that the male cast consists of Gemma's drug-addicted father, Gemma's JerkAss brother, [[UnwittingPawn Simon]], [[AbhorrentAdmirer Pippa's fiance]], and a whole slew of forgettable straw men sexists. Granted, there ''are'' a couple of nice guys, like the boyfriend of one of their teachers, and [[AntiHero Kartik]][[YMMV might count]], but with the cartoonish male characters in this series it's really no wonder why the girls are so miserable. [[YMMV Not that that's a good thing.]]
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