History YMMV / GameOfThrones

10th Feb '16 12:24:41 PM quirkygenius
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** In "The Climb", [[spoiler:Ros gets used as target practice by Joffrey]]. Fan reaction to the character is still pretty negative, but many of the detractors were disgusted by the brutal manner of this death.
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** In "The Climb", [[spoiler:Ros gets tied up and used as target practice by Joffrey]]. Fan reaction to the character is still pretty negative, but many of the detractors were disgusted by the brutal manner of this death.

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** In "The Climb", [[spoiler:Ros gets used as target practice by Joffrey]]. Fan reaction Ros. Though she is meant to connect the character story arcs for various characters, Ros is still pretty negative, but many disliked for being a CanonForeigner and being an arguably redundant spotlight stealer. In later seasons Ros is also accused of being shoehorned into the stories of canon characters (going from a random prostitute at Winterfell that Tyrion sleeps with to being a key agent for Littlefinger and Varys). It also helps that she can read and write despite being a commoner in a medieval fiction (even before her involvement with Littlefinger and Varys, the latter whom comments on this anomaly). ** Talisa is disliked because she is seen as a stereotype (either a sassy woman stereotype or a tragic romance stereotype) as well as her romance with Robb missing the point of the detractors were disgusted original arc (Robb loving Jeyne in the books because that's the king of person he is verses being wooed by the brutal manner of this death.exotic and enticing traits Talisa has).
10th Feb '16 11:51:22 AM quirkygenius
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** There have been complaints about [[http://www.refinery29.com/2013/07/49655/game-of-thrones-racism-george-rr-martin-response whitewashing the cast in Game of Thrones]] by leaving out characters of color from the books (such as Strong Belwas, Xhondo [a OneSceneWonder who saved Sam Tarly's life in the books] and Jalabar Xho), [[ButNotTooBlack having them portrayed by lighter skinned actors]], killing off people of color in the show who are still alive in the books (such as Daenerys' handmaidens Irri and Jhiqui) and giving them race lifts (such as replacing the black characters Chayata and Alayaya with the caucasian Ros). While the show does have some ethnic diversity and George has defended it, some issues remain unaddressed and still rankle with fans. *** A straighter example is Talisa; in the books she's a Caucasian Westerosi named Jeyne, but in the show she's from Volantis and played by the half-spanish Oona Chaplin. The problem is that the [[RaceLift race lifted]] character is gruesomely killed off in the show ([[NauseaFuel being stabbed in the stomach ''while pregnant'']]) when her counterpart from the books is alive and unharmed.
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** There have been complaints about [[http://www.refinery29.com/2013/07/49655/game-of-thrones-racism-george-rr-martin-response whitewashing the cast in Game of Thrones]] by either leaving out characters of color from the books (such as Strong Belwas, Xhondo [a OneSceneWonder who saved Sam Tarly's life in the books] and Jalabar Xho), [[ButNotTooBlack having them portrayed by lighter skinned actors]], killing off people characters of color in the show who are still alive in the books (such as Daenerys' handmaidens Irri and Jhiqui) and giving them race lifts (such as replacing the black characters Chayata and Alayaya with the caucasian Ros). While the show does have some ethnic diversity and George Martin has defended it, some issues remain unaddressed and still rankle with fans. *** A straighter example is Talisa; in the books she's a Caucasian Westerosi named Jeyne, but in the show she's from Volantis and played by the half-spanish Oona Chaplin. The problem is that the [[RaceLift race lifted]] character is gruesomely killed off in the show ([[NauseaFuel being stabbed in the stomach ''while pregnant'']]) WHILE VISIBLY PREGNANT]]) when her counterpart from the books is alive and unharmed.
9th Feb '16 12:27:57 PM quirkygenius
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** [[spoiler:Talisa]] getting repeatedly stabbed in her belly and left to bleed out is pretty gruesome.
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** [[spoiler:Talisa]] getting repeatedly stabbed in her belly and left to bleed out is pretty gruesome. Also, '''she was pregnant enough to have a baby bump'''.

** [[spoiler:Talisa]] getting repeatedly There have been complaints about [[http://www.refinery29.com/2013/07/49655/game-of-thrones-racism-george-rr-martin-response whitewashing the cast in Game of Thrones]] by leaving out characters of color from the books (such as Strong Belwas, Xhondo [a OneSceneWonder who saved Sam Tarly's life in the books] and Jalabar Xho), [[ButNotTooBlack having them portrayed by lighter skinned actors]], killing off people of color in the show who are still alive in the books (such as Daenerys' handmaidens Irri and Jhiqui) and giving them race lifts (such as replacing the black characters Chayata and Alayaya with the caucasian Ros). While the show does have some ethnic diversity and George has defended it, some issues remain unaddressed and still rankle with fans. *** A straighter example is Talisa; in the books she's a Caucasian Westerosi named Jeyne, but in the show she's from Volantis and played by the half-spanish Oona Chaplin. The problem is that the [[RaceLift race lifted]] character is gruesomely killed off in the show ([[NauseaFuel being stabbed in the stomach ''while pregnant'']]) when her belly counterpart from the books is alive and left to bleed out is pretty gruesome.unharmed.

** A number of viewers started accusing the show of being [[http://gotgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/121872735796/unabashed-book-snobbery-3-got-s5s-10-most homophobic]], despite having gay characters portrayed positively. The reason is Loras' Flanderization, being reduced to his sexuality after season 1 and changing the Sparrow storyline from a smallfolk uprising to religious fanatics going nuts, so as to point fingers at homophobia. Some fans have rewatched the show and counted 3 (3!) [[http://turtle-paced.tumblr.com/post/136673103787/got-re-watch-fine-toothed-comb-edition homophobic jokes]] in the season premiere of season 2.
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** A number of viewers started accusing the show of being [[http://gotgifsandmusings.tumblr.com/post/121872735796/unabashed-book-snobbery-3-got-s5s-10-most homophobic]], despite having gay characters portrayed positively. The reason is Loras' Flanderization, being reduced to his sexuality after season 1 and changing the Sparrow storyline from a smallfolk uprising to religious fanatics going nuts, [[WriterOnBoard so as to point fingers at homophobia.at]] [[TakeThat homophobia and/or religious extremists]]. Some fans have rewatched the show and counted 3 (3!) [[http://turtle-paced.tumblr.com/post/136673103787/got-re-watch-fine-toothed-comb-edition homophobic jokes]] in the season premiere of season 2.
9th Feb '16 2:23:23 AM unclejack
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It isn't a saving throw if nothing has been done besides a director begrudgingly acknowledging that people didn't like a scene without owning up to it as a mistake.
** In an interview with Forbes, director Jeremy Podeswa stated that the producers slightly altered their plans for Season 6 in response to complaints about the show's portrayal of rape in the past couple seasons.
2nd Feb '16 3:43:32 PM CaptainCrawdad
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The entry seems to be arguing against itself. Also, flamebait. Also Example Indentation.
** Dan Weiss and DB Benioff function as overall scapegoats for book snobs, since they function as producers, showrunners and writers, in addition to being the ones responsible for interpreting the books.
2nd Feb '16 12:42:28 PM autoslizer
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** Dan Weiss and DB Benioff function as overall scapegoats for book snobs, since they function as producers, showrunners and writers, in addition to being the ones responsible for interpreting the books.
21st Jan '16 8:19:33 AM backpack
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** Does the High Sparrow actually care about fornication, adultery, and homosexuality, or is it just a convenient excuse to lock up the wealthy and powerful. He basically says that his goal is a faith-based Westerosi socialism where "the many do not fear the few."
18th Jan '16 12:11:25 AM luisedgarf
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*** In a more straight example involving the aforementioned voice actor, Shimazaki voiced [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates the Male Avatar (aka Corrin/Kamui)]] who is a noble prince who, depending of the actions of the player, [[spoiler:he can become TheGoodKing]]. Tell that to ''Joffrey'' again, dudes.
15th Jan '16 6:21:45 AM MrThorfan64
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** Are the Tyrells really kind loving rulers? Or are they [[BitchInSheepsClothing jerks]] who don't really care who is the rightful King or who would even make a good King just so long as they are in charge? Loras' claim to Renly he should usurp the throne comes across as quite odd considering he is passing over Stannis basically on the grounds Stannis doesn't have a nice personality, even though Stannis has had more years more experience running the realm. and Renly taking the throne is breaking with the laws the realm's power is based on. And [[spoiler:after Renly's death]] the Tyrells support Joffrey even though Loras said he was a monster. So apparently a monster would be a better King then a guy who doesn't have a good personality?

** Who does have the "right" to be the King or Queen of Westeros, really? Is it Daenerys, the last surviving offspring of an incestuous dynasty consisting largely of psychos, who isn't even physically present on the continent? Stannis, the 'rightful' heir of the last King, Robert, who had overthrown the previous rightful King and didn't even manage to establish a dynasty? Or maybe if usurping twenty years prior was OK, the present usurpers who don't have any "right" are just as good, though they are claiming it under false pretences? There's Renly, who feels he would make the best king, or the Lannisters, after losing their most psychotic crown puppet and de facto controlling the throne could be a good bet under Tywin's competent leadership? Or Robb and Baelon, reviving the once existing traditions of, respectively, Kings of the North and Kings of the Iron Islands; don't they also have some sort of legitimacy? [[TakeAThirdOption All of them? No one?]]
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** Who does have the "right" to be the King or Queen of Westeros, really? Is it Daenerys, the last surviving offspring of an incestuous dynasty consisting largely of psychos, who isn't even physically present on the continent? Stannis, the 'rightful' heir of the last King, Robert, who had overthrown the previous rightful King and didn't even manage to establish a dynasty? Or maybe if usurping twenty years prior was OK, the present usurpers who don't have any "right" are just as good, though they are claiming it under false pretences? There's Renly, who feels he would make the best king, or the Lannisters, after losing their most psychotic crown puppet and de facto controlling the throne could be a good bet under Tywin's competent leadership? Or Robb and Baelon, Balon, reviving the once existing traditions of, respectively, Kings of the North and Kings of the Iron Islands; don't they also have some sort of legitimacy? [[TakeAThirdOption All of them? No one?]]
13th Jan '16 2:04:14 PM Elmo3000
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Sansa. [[BeastAndBeauty Sansa/Sandor]], [[PrinceCharmless Sansa/Joffery]], [[BrotherSisterIncest Sansa/Robb]], [[RomanticTwoGirlFriendship Sansa/Margery]]... It's far quicker to list the characters the poor girl isn't shipped with by fandom.
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Sansa. [[BeastAndBeauty Sansa/Sandor]], [[PrinceCharmless Sansa/Joffery]], [[BrotherSisterIncest Sansa/Robb]], [[RomanticTwoGirlFriendship Sansa/Margery]]... It's far quicker to list the characters the poor girl isn't shipped with by fandom. Even without the fandom, she's been engaged to Joffrey, planned to marry Loras and Robin Arryn, actually married to Tyrion Lannister [[spoiler:and Ramsay Bolton]], and attracted the attention of Sandor Clegane and Petyr Baelish.
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