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21st Mar '17 10:37:50 PM littlewings
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: If Hollywood rumor is to be believed, Shonda Rhimes' firm ShondaLand wanted Sansa Stark and Daenerys to make a [[TheCameo cameo appearance]] in one of their shows, although it never even got to negotiation stage [[ScrewedByTheLawyers due to rights issues, presumably]].
21st Mar '17 5:44:12 PM TheFlash
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** Arya's journey in later seasons. She and the Hound spend ''the entirety'' of Season 4 traveling to the Vale and doing nothing plot-relevant. Then the majority of Season 5, she's either sweeping, sponging dead bodies, getting smacked around by either the Waif or "Jaqen H'ghar," or yelling, "Oysters, Clams and Cockles!" Finally, her Season 6 plot is basically an extended TrainingMontage. She does get some personal character exploration and certainly [[[{{TookALevelInBadass}} takes a level in badass]], but three seasons is a long time to be separated from any central story arcs, especially compared to the first three seasons, when she was much more connected with other characters (her imprisonment at Harrenhall and serving Twyin, meeting the Brotherhood, trying to return to Cat and Robb, and her ongoing friendship with Gendry).

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** Arya's journey in later seasons. She and the Hound spend ''the entirety'' of Season 4 traveling to the Vale and doing nothing plot-relevant. Then the majority of Season 5, she's either sweeping, sponging dead bodies, getting smacked around by either the Waif or "Jaqen H'ghar," or yelling, "Oysters, Clams and Cockles!" Finally, her Season 6 plot is basically an extended TrainingMontage. She does get some personal character exploration and certainly [[[{{TookALevelInBadass}} [[{{TookALevelInBadass}} takes a level in badass]], but three seasons is a long time to be separated from any central story arcs, especially compared to the first three seasons, when she was much more connected with other characters (her imprisonment at Harrenhall and serving Twyin, meeting the Brotherhood, trying to return to Cat and Robb, and her ongoing friendship with Gendry).
21st Mar '17 5:43:25 PM TheFlash
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** Arya's journey in later seasons: She and the Hound spend ''the entirety'' of Season 4 traveling to the Vale, and doing nothing plot relevant; then the majority of Season 5 she's either sweeping, sponging dead bodies or yelling, "Oysters, Clams and Cockles!" and her Season 6 plot is basically an extended TrainingMontage. She gets some personal character exploration and certainly [[[{{TookALevelInBadass}} takes a level in badass]] but three seasons is a long time to be separated from any central story arcs, especially compared to the first three seasons when she was much more connected with other characters. (Her imprisonment at Harrenhall and serving Twyin; meeting the Brotherhood; trying to return to Cat and Robb; and her ongoing friendship with Gendry).

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** Arya's journey in later seasons: seasons. She and the Hound spend ''the entirety'' of Season 4 traveling to the Vale, Vale and doing nothing plot relevant; then plot-relevant. Then the majority of Season 5 5, she's either sweeping, sponging dead bodies bodies, getting smacked around by either the Waif or "Jaqen H'ghar," or yelling, "Oysters, Clams and Cockles!" and Cockles!" Finally, her Season 6 plot is basically an extended TrainingMontage. She gets does get some personal character exploration and certainly [[[{{TookALevelInBadass}} takes a level in badass]] badass]], but three seasons is a long time to be separated from any central story arcs, especially compared to the first three seasons seasons, when she was much more connected with other characters. (Her characters (her imprisonment at Harrenhall and serving Twyin; Twyin, meeting the Brotherhood; Brotherhood, trying to return to Cat and Robb; Robb, and her ongoing friendship with Gendry).
19th Mar '17 4:18:28 AM Merseyuser1
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: If Hollywood rumor is to be believed, Shonda Rhimes' firm ShondaLand wanted Sansa Stark and Daenerys to make a [[TheCameo cameo appearance]] in one of their shows, although it never even got to negotiation stage [[ScrewedByTheLawyers due to rights issues, presumably]].
17th Mar '17 11:09:27 PM karategal
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Sort of - although the television series is more well-known than the book series that it is based upon, many people recognize that it is a book series. However, more people that watch the show refer to the books as "the ''Game Of Thrones'' series" instead of ''A Song Of Ice And Fire''. Crossover promotion right on new books' covers helps this along.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: Sort of - -- although the television series is more well-known than the book series that it is based upon, many people recognize that it is a book series. However, more people that watch the show refer to the books as "the ''Game Of Thrones'' series" instead of ''A Song Of Ice And Fire''. Crossover promotion right on new books' covers helps this along.



** The depiction of Rhillorism has also led to this, especially since Melisandre, described by GRRM himself as his "most misunderstood character" is given inconsistent characterization based on HotWitch FemmeFatale stereotypes, rather than the more rounded WellIntentionedExtremist (who eventually convinces Book!Jon Snow of her powers) with a heavy handed denouement at the end of season 5 [[note]]which show runners justified by divulging spoilers that WordOfGod told them but in an entirely different context a the end of Book 5[[/note]] tacked on to give a simple message about religious fundamentalism which to some comes across as a SpaceWhaleAesop since Rhillor has demonstrable magical powers and actual powers of prophecy, the key reason why an atheist skeptic like Stannis supports it and many note that the situation of the plot, a ColdEquation and the actual denouement of Melisandre's actions[[note]]with supplies burnt, Stannis, his family, his army, Shireen would have died anyway, likewise, the cold weather did withdraw after the sacrifice and stayed absent for all of Season 6 which allowed a safe march for Jon Snow and the Vale Army who faced none of the problems afflicting Stannis[[/note]] make the eventual heavy handed aesop delivered by Davos at the end of Season 6 to come of as a violation of ShowDontTell.

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** The depiction of Rhillorism has also led to this, especially since Melisandre, described by GRRM himself as his "most misunderstood character" is given inconsistent characterization based on HotWitch FemmeFatale stereotypes, rather than the more rounded WellIntentionedExtremist (who eventually convinces Book!Jon Snow of her powers) with a heavy handed denouement at the end of season Season 5 [[note]]which show runners justified by divulging spoilers that WordOfGod told them but in an entirely different context a the end of Book 5[[/note]] tacked on to give a simple message about religious fundamentalism which to some comes across as a SpaceWhaleAesop since Rhillor has demonstrable magical powers and actual powers of prophecy, the key reason why an atheist skeptic like Stannis supports it and many note that the situation of the plot, a ColdEquation and the actual denouement of Melisandre's actions[[note]]with supplies burnt, Stannis, his family, his army, Shireen would have died anyway, likewise, the cold weather did withdraw after the sacrifice and stayed absent for all of Season 6 which allowed a safe march for Jon Snow and the Vale Army who faced none of the problems afflicting Stannis[[/note]] make the eventual heavy handed aesop delivered by Davos at the end of Season 6 to come of as a violation of ShowDontTell.



** Arya's journey in later seasons: She and the Hound spend ''the entirety'' of Season 4 traveling to the Vale, and doing nothing plot relevant; then the majority of Season 5 she's either sweeping, sponging dead bodies or yelling, "Oysters, Clams and Cockles!" and her season 6 plot is basically an extended TrainingMontage. She gets some personal character exploration and certainly [[[{{TookALevelInBadass}} takes a level in badass]] but three seasons is a long time to be separated from any central story arcs, especially compared to the first three seasons when she was much more connected with other characters. (Her imprisonment at Harrenhall and serving Twyin; meeting the Brotherhood; trying to return to Cat and Robb; and her ongoing friendship with Gendry).

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** Arya's journey in later seasons: She and the Hound spend ''the entirety'' of Season 4 traveling to the Vale, and doing nothing plot relevant; then the majority of Season 5 she's either sweeping, sponging dead bodies or yelling, "Oysters, Clams and Cockles!" and her season Season 6 plot is basically an extended TrainingMontage. She gets some personal character exploration and certainly [[[{{TookALevelInBadass}} takes a level in badass]] but three seasons is a long time to be separated from any central story arcs, especially compared to the first three seasons when she was much more connected with other characters. (Her imprisonment at Harrenhall and serving Twyin; meeting the Brotherhood; trying to return to Cat and Robb; and her ongoing friendship with Gendry).



** Charles Dance wasn't nominated for season 4, commonly agreed to feature the best of his always great work on the show. Also, Pedro Pascal went un-nominated for his arresting work as Oberyn Martell. [[spoiler:And this was the last time it could have happened for both of them, too.]]

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** Charles Dance wasn't nominated for season Season 4, commonly agreed to feature the best of his always great work on the show. Also, Pedro Pascal went un-nominated for his arresting work as Oberyn Martell. [[spoiler:And this was the last time it could have happened for both of them, too.]]



* CreatorWorship: After directing the three best-received episodes between seasons 5 and 6, it seems Miguel Sapochnik can do no wrong. The fact that he won't be back for season 7 (due to obligations with a Netflix series) is heartbreaking to many fans.

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* CreatorWorship: After directing the three best-received episodes between seasons Seasons 5 and 6, it seems Miguel Sapochnik can do no wrong. The fact that he won't be back for season Season 7 (due to obligations with a Netflix series) is heartbreaking to many fans.



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The show actually gets hit even harder by this than the already pitch black source material. The typical way it's spelled out is that the books refuse to cheat to let the heroes win, while the show cheats to let the ''villains'' win, robbing us of a lot of what little hopeful material the books have. [[spoiler: This may have been averted as of season 6 with Jon's resurrection, the Starks regrouping and finally taking back Winterfell, as well as Ramsay's satisfying and well-deserved death at the hands of his own dogs loosened onto him by Sansa]].
* DorkAge: Season Five is still good but it hit a low stride. Asides from the controversial changes in Sansa’s and Stannis’ storylines, the Dorne arc is considered to be the lowest point in the show due to its low production values (such as the bad fight scene in the Water Gardens), the poor characterization of [[TheScrappy Ellaria and the Sand Snakes]] and the IdiotPlot about getting Myrcella back home which ended moot [[spoiler:when she was poisoned by Ellaria]]. Fortunately, Season 6 reintroduced several characters and storylines that had been absent such as Bran Stark, the Greyjoys, the Freys and the Tullys [[spoiler:and Sandor "The Hound" Clegane]].

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The show actually gets hit even harder by this than the already pitch black source material. The typical way it's spelled out is that the books refuse to cheat to let the heroes win, while the show cheats to let the ''villains'' win, robbing us of a lot of what little hopeful material the books have. [[spoiler: This may have been averted as of season Season 6 with Jon's resurrection, the Starks regrouping and finally taking back Winterfell, as well as Ramsay's satisfying and well-deserved death at the hands of his own dogs loosened onto him by Sansa]].
* DorkAge: Season Five 5 is still good but it hit a low stride. Asides from the controversial changes in Sansa’s and Stannis’ storylines, the Dorne arc is considered to be the lowest point in the show due to its low production values (such as the bad fight scene in the Water Gardens), the poor characterization of [[TheScrappy Ellaria and the Sand Snakes]] and the IdiotPlot about getting Myrcella back home which ended moot [[spoiler:when she was poisoned by Ellaria]]. Fortunately, Season 6 reintroduced several characters and storylines that had been absent such as Bran Stark, the Greyjoys, the Freys and the Tullys [[spoiler:and Sandor "The Hound" Clegane]].



** Brienne/Jaime and Sandor/Arya (despite being to some NoYay because of the age difference (in the books at least- the actress in the show is considerably older when the Sandor/Arya scenes greatly increase by season 3)) are popular {{BetaCouple}}s, mainly cause their both odd couples spending a lot of screen time alone traveling Westeros together.

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** Brienne/Jaime and Sandor/Arya (despite being to some NoYay because of the age difference (in the books at least- least -- the actress in the show is considerably older when the Sandor/Arya scenes greatly increase by season Season 3)) are popular {{BetaCouple}}s, mainly cause their both odd couples spending a lot of screen time alone traveling Westeros together.



** Coming out of nowhere in season six, and taking a surprising lead, Tormund/Brienne.

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** Coming out of nowhere in season six, Season 6, and taking a surprising lead, Tormund/Brienne.



** Jon/Sansa is increasing popular for a crackship, since their very affectionate reunion in season 6. [[spoiler: And made fortunately much less squicky with the reveal that they're actually cousins.]]

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** Jon/Sansa is increasing popular for a crackship, since their very affectionate reunion in season Season 6. [[spoiler: And made fortunately much less squicky with the reveal that they're actually cousins.]]



** Doran Martell saying "We don't kill little girls" sounds like a general statement of being a civil ruler... [[spoiler:then Stannis kills his own little girl. Even more relevantly, at the end of Season 5 Ellaria ''does'' in fact kill a little girl]].

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** Doran Martell saying "We don't kill little girls" sounds like a general statement of being a civil ruler... [[spoiler:then Stannis kills his own little girl. Even more relevantly, at the end of Season 5 5, Ellaria ''does'' in fact kill a little girl]].



** Syrio Forel. His scene gets a BolivianArmyEnding where he engages the fully armored Meryn Trant. Trant is later shown alive and well, and Arya later says that Syrio's dead, but since the audience never sees him die, they don't believe it. Seeing as Trant would likely be too proud to admit that Syrio might have escaped him and [[spoiler: as of the season 5 finale Arya's ensured that he'll never be able to admit it]], the show doesn't seem like it will address the issue anytime soon.

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** Syrio Forel. His scene gets a BolivianArmyEnding where he engages the fully armored Meryn Trant. Trant is later shown alive and well, and Arya later says that Syrio's dead, but since the audience never sees him die, they don't believe it. Seeing as Trant would likely be too proud to admit that Syrio might have escaped him and [[spoiler: as of the season Season 5 finale Arya's ensured that he'll never be able to admit it]], the show doesn't seem like it will address the issue anytime soon.



** With the Season 6 finale many fans are hoping this is the case with [[spoiler: Margaery Tyrell]] despite the fact that [[spoiler: she is shown moments before the Sept explodes and the blast radius of the Wildefire]] would render an escape moot. But [[spoiler: her death isn't directly shown]] leading some people to still hope.

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** With the Season 6 finale finale, many fans are hoping this is the case with [[spoiler: Margaery Tyrell]] despite the fact that [[spoiler: she is shown moments before the Sept explodes and the blast radius of the Wildefire]] would render an escape moot. But [[spoiler: her death isn't directly shown]] leading some people to still hope.



** Loras' trial in season 5. It begins with Cersei making the idiotic decision to arm and legitimize the Faith Militant. Then, when menacing armed men come for Loras, immediately after training, he doesn't think to try to get back his sword. Then, at his trial, Olyvar for some reason testifies against Loras, incriminating himself in the process (which is a double-whammy because Loras was an idiot for resuming his relationship with Olyvar after he betrayed him once already). Fortunately, Olyvar's (fictional) testimony had a convenient explanation... the crux of the testimony was that Olyvar knew of a birthmark on Loras. Therefore they ''had'' to be lovers. Except that Olyvar's claim was that he was Loras' squire... someone whose job includes helping Loras get dressed. So if Loras pointed that out, he could be in the clear. Or he could instead yell and lunge at Olyvar instead, cementing his guilt. In fairness to Loras, however, Olyvar takes about squiring for Loras as though it was a one-off occasion.
** General consensus is that the Dornish story arc in season 5 suffers greatly from this; [[DidntThinkThisThrough from Jaime's ill-planned attempt to 'rescue' Myrcella in the first place,]] to the constantly stupid and petty behaviour of the Sand Snakes, to the fact that [[spoiler: Myrcella dies '''anyway''' via coming into close contact with Ellaria who, while reprieved, ''had already made an attempt on her life.'' ]] It somehow gets even ''dumber'' in Season 6: [[spoiler:Ellaria murders Doran and Trystane, for being "too weak" to avenge Oberyn. Ellaria has killed Oberyn's brother for refusing to avenge his death and Trystane for basically no reason, she has now exterminated Oberyn's house, screwed over Dorne's relationship with the Iron Throne, and as she was never Oberyn's wife, she nor any of her daughters have any claim to the rule of Dorne]]. All for "revenge."
* IncestYayShipping: Jon and Sansa, as of season 6. With both having gone through the TraumaCongaLine, and being the only family either has seen in ages, they become very close and prone to held gazes and affectionate gestures. With [[ButtMonkey Sansa]] having been at [[DomesticAbuse the mercy]] [[RapeAsDrama of the]] [[CompleteMonster biggest monsters]] of the setting, and Jon's big brother protectiveness showing in full force, plenty have run away with it. The confirmation that they're [[spoiler: cousins/adoptive siblings rather than half-siblings]] has only served to encourage them.

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** Loras' trial in season Season 5. It begins with Cersei making the idiotic decision to arm and legitimize the Faith Militant. Then, when menacing armed men come for Loras, immediately after training, he doesn't think to try to get back his sword. Then, at his trial, Olyvar for some reason testifies against Loras, incriminating himself in the process (which is a double-whammy because Loras was an idiot for resuming his relationship with Olyvar after he betrayed him once already). Fortunately, Olyvar's (fictional) testimony had a convenient explanation... the crux of the testimony was that Olyvar knew of a birthmark on Loras. Therefore Therefore, they ''had'' to be lovers. Except that Olyvar's claim was that he was Loras' squire... someone whose job includes helping Loras get dressed. So if Loras pointed that out, he could be in the clear. Or he could instead yell and lunge at Olyvar instead, cementing his guilt. In fairness to Loras, however, Olyvar takes about squiring for Loras as though it was a one-off occasion.
** General consensus is that the Dornish story arc in season Season 5 suffers greatly from this; [[DidntThinkThisThrough from Jaime's ill-planned attempt to 'rescue' Myrcella in the first place,]] to the constantly stupid and petty behaviour of the Sand Snakes, to the fact that [[spoiler: Myrcella dies '''anyway''' via coming into close contact with Ellaria who, while reprieved, ''had already made an attempt on her life.'' ]] It somehow gets even ''dumber'' in Season 6: [[spoiler:Ellaria murders Doran and Trystane, for being "too weak" to avenge Oberyn. Ellaria has killed Oberyn's brother for refusing to avenge his death and Trystane for basically no reason, she has now exterminated Oberyn's house, screwed over Dorne's relationship with the Iron Throne, and as she was never Oberyn's wife, she nor any of her daughters have any claim to the rule of Dorne]]. All for "revenge."
* IncestYayShipping: Jon and Sansa, as of season Season 6. With both having gone through the TraumaCongaLine, and being the only family either has seen in ages, they become very close and prone to held gazes and affectionate gestures. With [[ButtMonkey Sansa]] having been at [[DomesticAbuse the mercy]] [[RapeAsDrama of the]] [[CompleteMonster biggest monsters]] of the setting, and Jon's big brother protectiveness showing in full force, plenty have run away with it. The confirmation that they're [[spoiler: cousins/adoptive siblings rather than half-siblings]] has only served to encourage them.



** Petyr Baelish, a.k.a. Littlefinger. The man manages to turn on Eddard Stark successfully and undermine him, then breaks up a marriage alliance between two powerful houses. He tops this all off in Season 4 by [[spoiler:helping Olenna Tyrell plot Joffrey's death, then revealing that ''he'' is the reason the War of the Five Kings started - he had Jon Arryn poisoned]].

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** Petyr Baelish, a.k.a. Littlefinger. The man manages to turn on Eddard Stark successfully and undermine him, then breaks up a marriage alliance between two powerful houses. He tops this all off in Season 4 by [[spoiler:helping Olenna Tyrell plot Joffrey's death, then revealing that ''he'' is the reason the War of the Five Kings started - -- he had Jon Arryn poisoned]].



*** This hasn't let up at ''all'' since Seasons 5 and 6 either. In the former, Cersei essentially has complete, unlimited control of King's Landing and runs the entire city into the ground and loses her control to a dangerous enemy through sheer incompetence. To rectify this error in Season 6, Cersei [[spoiler: ''blows up'' an enormous amount of King's Landing including everyone with political power in the Great Sept of Baelor. The sequence even vaguely resembles 9/11. Yes, a queen that blows up her own citizens is certainly ideal.]]

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*** This hasn't let up at ''all'' since Seasons 5 and 6 6, either. In the former, Cersei essentially has complete, unlimited control of King's Landing and runs the entire city into the ground and loses her control to a dangerous enemy through sheer incompetence. To rectify this error in Season 6, Cersei [[spoiler: ''blows up'' an enormous amount of King's Landing Landing, including everyone with political power in the Great Sept of Baelor. The sequence even vaguely resembles 9/11. Yes, a queen that blows up her own citizens is certainly ideal.]]



** Lyanna Mormont, already an EnsembleDarkhorse based on [[TheGhost a one-sentence written letter in season 5]], appears in person in Season 6 and more than lives up to billing, played brilliantly by Bella Ramsey ''in her first credited acting role.''

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** Lyanna Mormont, already an EnsembleDarkhorse based on [[TheGhost a one-sentence written letter in season Season 5]], appears in person in Season 6 and more than lives up to billing, played brilliantly by Bella Ramsey ''in her first credited acting role.''



* {{Padding}}: ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'' is a bit too long for one season, but not quite long enough for two, so seasons 3 and 4 have a number of scenes that were created for the show to pad out the length, like everything concerning Podrick as a SexGod.
* RealWomenDontWearDresses: A few fans have accused D&D's portrayal of some female characters of fitting this trope- namely Brienne's insultingly calling Jaime a woman, the uber-girly Sansa becoming seductive and wearing a "needle" necklace (akin to her sister's Needle) to show how "strong" she's become, and Arya being far more of a stereotypical tomboy than she ever was in the books and slight misogynist (shooting a perfect arrow without any training, saying [[NotLikeOtherGirls herself]] other girls are idiots, derisively dismissing Sansa's girly interests, and generally being portrayed far more sympathetically than the feminine Sansa). In the books, Brienne respects Catelyn's "woman's courage", Sansa's girliness is never portrayed as silly or weak, and Arya admires many women and looks up to her Girly Girl sister. Also, who in the books is the only one of the Starks showing support to incorporating Cersei's House's sigil into the royal sigil, because "the woman is important, too"? Yes, Arya. Quite a different approach than her BoomerangBigot tendencies in the show.

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* {{Padding}}: ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'' is a bit too long for one season, but not quite long enough for two, so seasons Seasons 3 and 4 have a number of scenes that were created for the show to pad out the length, like everything concerning Podrick as a SexGod.
* RealWomenDontWearDresses: A few fans have accused D&D's portrayal of some female characters of fitting this trope- trope, namely Brienne's insultingly calling Jaime a woman, the uber-girly Sansa becoming seductive and wearing a "needle" necklace (akin to her sister's Needle) to show how "strong" she's become, and Arya being far more of a stereotypical tomboy than she ever was in the books and slight misogynist (shooting a perfect arrow without any training, saying [[NotLikeOtherGirls herself]] other girls are idiots, derisively dismissing Sansa's girly interests, and generally being portrayed far more sympathetically than the feminine Sansa). In the books, Brienne respects Catelyn's "woman's courage", Sansa's girliness is never portrayed as silly or weak, and Arya admires many women and looks up to her Girly Girl sister. Also, who in the books is the only one of the Starks showing support to incorporating Cersei's House's sigil into the royal sigil, because "the woman is important, too"? Yes, Arya. Quite a different approach than her BoomerangBigot tendencies in the show.



** On a grander scale, Bryan Cogman is one of the writers on the show most often blamed for the perceived poor quality of certain storylines; in particular he gets a lot of flak for Arya's plots in Season 5 & 6 which is a major BrokenBase.

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** On a grander scale, Bryan Cogman is one of the writers on the show most often blamed for the perceived poor quality of certain storylines; in particular he gets a lot of flak for Arya's plots in Season Seasons 5 & and 6 which is a major BrokenBase.



** No one in the fanbase gave a damn of Olly [[spoiler:being executed by the resurrected Jon Snow]] which they see it more as "Good riddance!".
** It seems like the writers finally got the hint the show's versions of the Sand Snakes weren't well liked by the season 6 finale. [[spoiler: Olenna]] makes a journey to Dorne to make an alliance with the Martells against Cersei and quickly verbally shuts down each of them.
* TeasingCreator: For three finales, the episode titles have suggested that a major twist which is so far book-only, [[spoiler:Lady Stoneheart]], will appear: Mhysa and The Children. Lena Headey's Instagram fake clue only fueled the speculation. When it was revealed that the Season 5 finale is titled "Mother's Mercy", book fans were convinced that they were being outright messed with by the writers.

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** No one in the fanbase gave a damn of Olly [[spoiler:being executed by the resurrected Jon Snow]] Snow]], which they see it more as "Good riddance!".
** It seems like the writers finally got the hint the show's versions of the Sand Snakes weren't well liked by the season Season 6 finale. [[spoiler: Olenna]] makes a journey to Dorne to make an alliance with the Martells against Cersei and quickly verbally shuts down each of them.
* TeasingCreator: For three finales, the episode titles have suggested that a major twist which is so far book-only, [[spoiler:Lady Stoneheart]], will appear: Mhysa "Mhysa" and The Children."The Children". Lena Headey's Instagram fake clue only fueled the speculation. When it was revealed that the Season 5 finale is titled "Mother's Mercy", book fans were convinced that they were being outright messed with by the writers.



** Sansa's story in season 4 ends with her playing the lords of the Vale like a fiddle, and showing that she's figured out how to appeal to Littlefinger's interests, suggesting she's going to start being a much more active player in politics. Come season 5, [[spoiler: she's shipped off to Winterfell pretty quickly, removing her from the Eyrie, Littlefinger, and politics in general for the rest of the season]].

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** Sansa's story in season Season 4 ends with her playing the lords of the Vale like a fiddle, and showing that she's figured out how to appeal to Littlefinger's interests, suggesting she's going to start being a much more active player in politics. Come season Season 5, [[spoiler: she's shipped off to Winterfell pretty quickly, removing her from the Eyrie, Littlefinger, and politics in general for the rest of the season]].



** The whole Dorne storyline in season 5. After Oberyn Martell became a major fan favourite in season 4 and [[spoiler: suffered a gut-wrenching, tragic death]], there was much anticipation for a visit to his homeland in season 5. Yet most just considered it one of the season's biggest disappointments, thanks to way too much anti-climactic action, massive IdiotBall moments (Did Jaime and Bronn think they could just sneak into Dorne willy-nilly? Why is Doran so nonchalant about Ellaria coming into close contact to Myrcella, when she's made direct threats to torture or even kill her?), the cheesy and underspent Sand Snakes and a CruelTwistEnding [[ShaggyDogStory that made the whole drawn-out affair seem utterly pointless]].

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** The whole Dorne storyline in season Season 5. After Oberyn Martell became a major fan favourite in season Season 4 and [[spoiler: suffered a gut-wrenching, tragic death]], there was much anticipation for a visit to his homeland in season Season 5. Yet most just considered it one of the season's biggest disappointments, thanks to way too much anti-climactic action, massive IdiotBall moments (Did Jaime and Bronn think they could just sneak into Dorne willy-nilly? Why is Doran so nonchalant about Ellaria coming into close contact to Myrcella, when she's made direct threats to torture or even kill her?), the cheesy and underspent Sand Snakes and a CruelTwistEnding [[ShaggyDogStory that made the whole drawn-out affair seem utterly pointless]].



** Although Conan Stevens barely appears in Season One, the fandom in general seems to prefer him over his replacement Ian Whyte in the role of Gregor Clegane. However, Hafþór "Thor" Björnsson, the third Gregor, is widely considered to be just as good or even better than Stevens.

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** Although Conan Stevens barely appears in Season One, 1, the fandom in general seems to prefer him over his replacement Ian Whyte in the role of Gregor Clegane. However, Hafþór "Thor" Björnsson, the third Gregor, is widely considered to be just as good or even better than Stevens.



** The show has been accused of [[http://www.avclub.com/article/rape-thrones-203499 sexualizing violence]] or relying too heavily on GratuitousRape for cheap shock value by online critics. In particular, Jaime and Cersei's sex scene in "Breaker Of Chains" was changed from the source material to appear to many viewers to be rape. The fact that the director has stated that it is a consensual sex scene in spite of Cersei's protests has added [[http://www.genevievevalentine.com/2014/04/its-complicated/ fuel to the fire]]. [[http://www.vox.com/2015/5/18/8622119/game-of-thrones-sansa-rape As has]] the scene in Season Five where Ramsay [[spoiler:rapes Sansa after their wedding]].

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** The show has been accused of [[http://www.avclub.com/article/rape-thrones-203499 sexualizing violence]] or relying too heavily on GratuitousRape for cheap shock value by online critics. In particular, Jaime and Cersei's sex scene in "Breaker Of Chains" was changed from the source material to appear to many viewers to be rape. The fact that the director has stated that it is a consensual sex scene in spite of Cersei's protests has added [[http://www.genevievevalentine.com/2014/04/its-complicated/ fuel to the fire]]. [[http://www.vox.com/2015/5/18/8622119/game-of-thrones-sansa-rape As has]] the scene in Season Five 5 where Ramsay [[spoiler:rapes Sansa after their wedding]].



%% ** A number of viewers started accusing the show of being homophobic, despite having gay characters portrayed positively. The reason is Loras' Flanderization, being reduced to his sexuality after season 1, some seeing the deaths of Renly and Oberyn as BuryYourGays, and one of the only other gay or bisexual characters turning out to be [[HoneyTrap a conniving man in Littlefinger's employ]]. Some fans have rewatched the show and counted three homophobic jokes in the season premiere of season 2. However others have pointed out that Oberyn was ''bisexual'', not gay, his also bisexual paramour is alive and unharmed (and mentally unstable, which is another can of worms), and that ([[AdaptationalVillainy despite the Sparrows stance on homosexuality]]) Loras is still alive and the Sparrows do not intend to kill him.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Surprisingly enough, a lot of fans express sympathy for Hizdahr zo Loraq, of all people, and his relationship with Dany. He is one of the native Meereenese in her council and is regarded largely with suspicion, but his backstory makes him a {{Woobie}}; after seeing his father unjustly killed, he tries to reason with the ruler who killed him and be the bigger man, and when things for said ruler go south, he's one of the ones tortured and locked up as a scapegoat, and is told he just marry said ruler against his will. Some fans note how this sounds suspiciously like how Joffrey treated Sansa Stark. It even ended worse for Hizdahr, since he actually had to go through with the marriage, and despite suspicion that he was the leader of the Harpies, he actually wound up ''killed'' by them, meaning he was exactly what he appeared to be: someone who was trying to make the best of the conquest of his city and death of his father without selling out his morals. Yet because it was Danaerys who did the conquering, he was depicted as a whiner and went unmourned when he kicked the bucket.

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%% ** A number of viewers started accusing the show of being homophobic, despite having gay characters portrayed positively. The reason is Loras' Flanderization, being reduced to his sexuality after season Season 1, some seeing the deaths of Renly and Oberyn as BuryYourGays, and one of the only other gay or bisexual characters turning out to be [[HoneyTrap a conniving man in Littlefinger's employ]]. Some fans have rewatched the show and counted three homophobic jokes in the season premiere of season Season 2. However However, others have pointed out that Oberyn was ''bisexual'', not gay, his also bisexual paramour is alive and unharmed (and mentally unstable, which is another can of worms), and that ([[AdaptationalVillainy despite the Sparrows stance on homosexuality]]) Loras is still alive and the Sparrows do not intend to kill him.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Surprisingly enough, a lot of fans express sympathy for Hizdahr zo Loraq, of all people, and his relationship with Dany. He is one of the native Meereenese in her council and is regarded largely with suspicion, but his backstory makes him a {{Woobie}}; after seeing his father unjustly killed, he tries to reason with the ruler who killed him and be the bigger man, and when things for said ruler go south, he's one of the ones tortured and locked up as a scapegoat, and is told he just must marry said ruler against his will. Some fans note how this sounds suspiciously like how Joffrey treated Sansa Stark. It even ended worse for Hizdahr, since he actually had to go through with the marriage, and despite suspicion that he was the leader of the Harpies, he actually wound up ''killed'' by them, meaning he was exactly what he appeared to be: someone who was trying to make the best of the conquest of his city and death of his father without selling out his morals. Yet because it was Danaerys who did the conquering, he was depicted as a whiner and went unmourned when he kicked the bucket.



** By the time of the Season Six finale [[spoiler: R+L=J was practically canon already. You either were sure it was right, or you thought it was so obvious that clearly we were supposed to think so.]] Turned out to be exactly correct.

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** By the time of the Season Six finale 6 finale, [[spoiler: R+L=J was practically canon already. You either were sure it was right, or you thought it was so obvious that clearly we were supposed to think so.]] Turned out to be exactly correct.



** The show usually uses top-notch and fairly convincing wigs. The one worn by Daario Naharis in season 3 on the other hand looked like it was stolen from the stock of a cheesy '90s fantasy series.

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** The show usually uses top-notch and fairly convincing wigs. The one worn by Daario Naharis in season Season 3 on the other hand looked like it was stolen from the stock of a cheesy '90s fantasy series.
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** Arya and the Hound spend ''the entirety'' of Season 4 traveling to the Vale, and doing nothing plot relevant.

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** Arya Arya's journey in later seasons: She and the Hound spend ''the entirety'' of Season 4 traveling to the Vale, and doing nothing plot relevant.relevant; then the majority of Season 5 she's either sweeping, sponging dead bodies or yelling, "Oysters, Clams and Cockles!" and her season 6 plot is basically an extended TrainingMontage. She gets some personal character exploration and certainly [[[{{TookALevelInBadass}} takes a level in badass]] but three seasons is a long time to be separated from any central story arcs, especially compared to the first three seasons when she was much more connected with other characters. (Her imprisonment at Harrenhall and serving Twyin; meeting the Brotherhood; trying to return to Cat and Robb; and her ongoing friendship with Gendry).



** Arya spends the majority of Season 5 either sweeping, sponging dead bodies or yelling, "Oysters, Clams and Cockles!" Her season 6 plot is basically an extended TrainingMontage.
12th Mar '17 4:26:46 PM NightShade96
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* HoYay
** The producers point out in a commentary track that Roose Bolton has quite a few scenes of competing for Robb's attention with Talisa.
** With the start of Season 3, Stannis x Davos has become a thing in the fandom. "Stannis is married to Selyse, but we all know who his true queen is... it's Davos." Which is really just a tradition being continued from the books. Invoked by Salladhor Saan in Season 2, who jokes that Stannis cut of Davos' fingers and he responded by "falling in love with him". Note that he didn't deny it, either.
** Davos' rivalry with Melisandre can be viewed as BettyAndVeronica fighting over who gets to win Stannis' affections.
** Robb reacts very personally to Theon's betrayal. They were even more bromantic in the book, but the point remains in adaptation.
** [[HoYay Margaery and Sansa.]] For whatever reason, Margaery is incapable of staying out of Sansa's personal space or not touching her. Examples include:
*** In "Bear and the Maiden Fair," she talks with Sansa about her future marriage and all the different things that different women want in their beds. She randomly throws "pretty girls" in the middle and even gives Sansa a flower: a yellow, red-tipped rose, which in the real world is supposed to mean "I am falling in love with you."
*** Margaery and Olenna are pretty much the only people Sansa feels safe and comfortable around, to the point of being the only ones with [[spoiler: whom she talks about how twisted Joffrey is. She knew saying something like that might have gotten her killed, yet she entrusted Margaery and Olenna with her fears... and they did not betray her by telling everyone she was saying "traitorous" things about the king. They just kept quiet about it.]]
*** To top it all off, Sophie Turner (Sansa's actress) ships it.
*** Unfortunately, [[PortmanteauCoupleName Sansaery]] may have become canon if not for [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal Margaery's death]] in the Season 6 finale.]]
** Margaery is also quite flirty and touchy-feely with Brienne.
** It's been noted that Varys and Littlefinger have an ongoing manipulator feud that kinda comes off as two gay high school students attacking each other's clothes.
** Beric and Thoros speak in very fond tones to one another after Thoros revives Beric. They also look at each other a lot and bringing Beric back to life is the only reason Thoros even believes in god...
** [[HoYay Daenerys and Missandei]], a call back to Dany and her [[SituationalSexuality handmaidens]]. Especially when you consider how in [[spoiler: Season 5, when she thinks she's about to be killed by assassins in the arena, the person she pays attention to is not Daario, the guy who's supposedly her romantic interest, but Missandei, whose hand she grabs before closing her eyes.]]
** Daenerys and Doreah get a lot of this, with their scene back in Season 1 where [[spoiler: Doreah teaches Dany "how to be good in bed"]] and all the times they exchange flat-out flirty looks with each other in the show [[spoiler: after Drogo, Dany's husband, has died]]. Considering how Dany sleeps with her handmaidens, well... one does wonder where this would have gone had [[spoiler: Doreah not betrayed Dany.]] (Or even how far it ''did'' go, off-camera, considering the way they look at each other and how Dany's dragons seem to absolutely love Doreah...)
** Shae and Sansa. "I love that girl, I'd ''kill'' for her!"
** In the show, [[spoiler: Ellaria kills Myrcella by poisoning her.]] How does she do this? [[http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150616003922/gameofthrones/images/d/db/Myrcella-ellaria-kiss.png By kissing her]] [[http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2258250!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-thrones-0615.jpg square on the lips.]]
** Dany and Yara seem to approve of each other, if the looks they've given each other are any indication. The latter, after saying she and Theon aren't seeking to marry Dany like their uncle will be, then amends her statement by saying she's "open to anything, really."

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* HoYay
** The producers point out in a commentary track that Roose Bolton has quite a few scenes of competing for Robb's attention with Talisa.
** With the start of Season 3, Stannis x Davos has become a thing in the fandom. "Stannis is married to Selyse, but we all know who his true queen is... it's Davos." Which is really just a tradition being continued from the books. Invoked by Salladhor Saan in Season 2, who jokes that Stannis cut of Davos' fingers and he responded by "falling in love with him". Note that he didn't deny it, either.
** Davos' rivalry with Melisandre can be viewed as BettyAndVeronica fighting over who gets to win Stannis' affections.
** Robb reacts very personally to Theon's betrayal. They were even more bromantic in the book, but the point remains in adaptation.
** [[HoYay Margaery and Sansa.]] For whatever reason, Margaery is incapable of staying out of Sansa's personal space or not touching her. Examples include:
*** In "Bear and the Maiden Fair," she talks with Sansa about her future marriage and all the different things that different women want in their beds. She randomly throws "pretty girls" in the middle and even gives Sansa a flower: a yellow, red-tipped rose, which in the real world is supposed to mean "I am falling in love with you."
*** Margaery and Olenna are pretty much the only people Sansa feels safe and comfortable around, to the point of being the only ones with [[spoiler: whom she talks about how twisted Joffrey is. She knew saying something like that might have gotten her killed, yet she entrusted Margaery and Olenna with her fears... and they did not betray her by telling everyone she was saying "traitorous" things about the king. They just kept quiet about it.]]
*** To top it all off, Sophie Turner (Sansa's actress) ships it.
*** Unfortunately, [[PortmanteauCoupleName Sansaery]] may have become canon if not for [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal Margaery's death]] in the Season 6 finale.]]
** Margaery is also quite flirty and touchy-feely with Brienne.
** It's been noted that Varys and Littlefinger have an ongoing manipulator feud that kinda comes off as two gay high school students attacking each other's clothes.
** Beric and Thoros speak in very fond tones to one another after Thoros revives Beric. They also look at each other a lot and bringing Beric back to life is the only reason Thoros even believes in god...
** [[HoYay Daenerys and Missandei]], a call back to Dany and her [[SituationalSexuality handmaidens]]. Especially when you consider how in [[spoiler: Season 5, when she thinks she's about to be killed by assassins in the arena, the person she pays attention to is not Daario, the guy who's supposedly her romantic interest, but Missandei, whose hand she grabs before closing her eyes.]]
** Daenerys and Doreah get a lot of this, with their scene back in Season 1 where [[spoiler: Doreah teaches Dany "how to be good in bed"]] and all the times they exchange flat-out flirty looks with each other in the show [[spoiler: after Drogo, Dany's husband, has died]]. Considering how Dany sleeps with her handmaidens, well... one does wonder where this would have gone had [[spoiler: Doreah not betrayed Dany.]] (Or even how far it ''did'' go, off-camera, considering the way they look at each other and how Dany's dragons seem to absolutely love Doreah...)
** Shae and Sansa. "I love that girl, I'd ''kill'' for her!"
** In the show, [[spoiler: Ellaria kills Myrcella by poisoning her.]] How does she do this? [[http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150616003922/gameofthrones/images/d/db/Myrcella-ellaria-kiss.png By kissing her]] [[http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2258250!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-thrones-0615.jpg square on the lips.]]
** Dany and Yara seem to approve of each other, if the looks they've given each other are any indication. The latter, after saying she and Theon aren't seeking to marry Dany like their uncle will be, then amends her statement by saying she's "open to anything, really."
HoYay: Has [[HoYay/GameOfThrones its own page]].
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** The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7L2PVdrb_8 The main theme]].

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** The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7L2PVdrb_8 The main theme]].
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** The two main wildlings in "Hardhome," Karsi the ReasonableAuthorityFigure and Loboda the {{Jerkass}} Thenn. Karsi shows her ActionMom chops, while Loboda offers some timely TeethCwork, but both are {{Sacrificial Lamb}}s for the undead to kill and don't make it out of the episode.

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** The two main wildlings in "Hardhome," Karsi the ReasonableAuthorityFigure and Loboda the {{Jerkass}} Thenn. Karsi shows her ActionMom chops, while Loboda offers some timely TeethCwork, TeethClenchedTeamwork, but both are {{Sacrificial Lamb}}s for the undead to kill and don't make it out of the episode.
12th Mar '17 8:40:30 AM NightShade96
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* TheScrappy:
** Ellaria from Season 5 onwards has not been well received due to her plan to [[spoiler: execute princess Myrcella to avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation. [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse with the Season 6 premiere]] [[spoiler: now that she and the Sand Snakes are murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him."]] IdiotPlot can't even begin to cover this.
** As a corollary to the above, the Sand Snakes have not been received well either, due both to the clunkiness of their first two scenes and the plain idiocy of their story arc in general. Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. And of course their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime. It gets worse in the Season 6 [[spoiler:where they help Ellaria kill their own uncle and cousin which is nothing more than committing kinslaying, one of the greatest sins in the Seven Kingdoms]]. While book fans are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkHorse fairly popular characters from the book]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are.
** Olly. Fans find it astonishing that the character was meant to be sympathetic, despite his role in the deaths of two prominent characters [[spoiler: [[StarCrossedLovers (Ygritte and Jon)]]]]. He was intended to provide a gray perspective to the Night's Watch and Wildlings faceoff and started off as a TagalongKid to the Night's Watch, but his role in the denouement of "Watchers on the Wall" was staged in a very {{narm}}-y way. In season 5, he becomes the embodiment of the Watch losing faith in Jon Snow, and the foreshadowing of [[spoiler: his betrayal of Jon Snow]] was heavyhanded to the point of being jarring. The aim was that his betrayal be an EtTuBrute moment but his shameless gloating in a short scene after the incident, ruined that. He [[spoiler:is thrown in the Castle Black dungeon following the Wildling attack, and executed with the rest of the mutineers by Jon Snow himself, though even posthumously he has this since Jon treats executing Olly]] as a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment, stating that he's younger than Bran (which again is no longer true, visually at least, as a result of the actors aging).
** The Waif, who inexplicably hates Arya from the moment she arrives at the House of Black and White, and just builds from there. Fans are also confused about how her aggressive personality is completely at odds with how Faceless Men are supposed to operate, which goes completely unacknowledged by anyone in the show.
** Ramsay Snow is a villainous example. He is intended to be a despicable character but where Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger were believable villains, Ramsay's villainy comes across [[DiabolusExMachina as motivated by the whims of the show's plot]] rather than pre-established circumstances, depending on many characters known for their political savvy and ruthlessness, such as Roose Bolton and Littlefinger himself, utterly misreading him despite being blunt ObviouslyEvil, and entirely lacking in guile, sophistication and other EvilVirtues. Book readers despise him because he has recieved AdaptationExpansion[[note]]Ramsay only appears in 2 out of 5 books and is relevant mainly to Theon's plot and doesn't appear in more than 10 chapters of a very long novel series[[/note]] and AdaptationalBadass at the expense of Sansa and Stannis. Him somehow creating a coalition of alliances in Season 6 when Roose Bolton struggled and fretted all of Season 5 for their delicate position in the North essentially undermines the versimilitude of Westerosi feudalism, and also marks Roose as a chump, and likewise [[spoiler:the sudden and easy manner of Roose's death naturally upset people who found Roose a more convincing embodiment of the North's EvilOverlord]]. There's also the show's obvious set up of a [[spoiler:Ramsay-Jon showdown which seems to based on both being bastards and Ramsay regarding him as an UnknownRival]], that struck many as a lazy and obvious attempt to make him the ArchEnemy of TheHero, not to mention that his role has been elevated from an ArcVillain to Theon's story to BigBad for two consecutive seasons with the same plot of RagtagBunchOfMisfits marching to Winterfell to dislodge him by the final two episodes repeated.

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* TheScrappy:
** Ellaria from Season 5 onwards has not been well received due to her plan to [[spoiler: execute princess Myrcella to avenge Oberyn and plunge Dorne into a war,]] a highly irrational plan that Oberyn himself would not approve of. The fact she's the driving force of the utterly loathed Dornish subplot in Season 5, as well as her close connection to the Sand Snakes, has done nothing to remedy the situation. [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse with the Season 6 premiere]] [[spoiler: now that she and the Sand Snakes are murdering Oberyn's ''entire family'' to "avenge him."]] IdiotPlot can't even begin to cover this.
** As a corollary to the above, the Sand Snakes have not been received well either, due both to the clunkiness of their first two scenes and the plain idiocy of their story arc in general. Their attempted characterization as badass, ruthless {{Dark Action Girl}}s just doesn't jive with the fact that their plotline has been merged with Arianne Martell's disastrous attempt to kidnap and crown Myrcella and the incredible FightSceneFailure that is their sole action scene. As a result, viewers generally just see them as stupid and petty for trying to hurt an innocent girl who had ''nothing'' to do with their father's death. And of course their reputation is hugely undermined by their failure in even this pathetic crime. It gets worse in the Season 6 [[spoiler:where they help Ellaria kill their
TheScrappy: Has [[TheScrappy/GameOfThrones its own uncle and cousin which is nothing more than committing kinslaying, one of the greatest sins in the Seven Kingdoms]]. While book fans are incensed that these [[EnsembleDarkHorse fairly popular characters from the book]] wind up as a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted opportunity]], the fact they're loathed by casual fans as well shows just how poorly-handled they are.
** Olly. Fans find it astonishing that the character was meant to be sympathetic, despite his role in the deaths of two prominent characters [[spoiler: [[StarCrossedLovers (Ygritte and Jon)]]]]. He was intended to provide a gray perspective to the Night's Watch and Wildlings faceoff and started off as a TagalongKid to the Night's Watch, but his role in the denouement of "Watchers on the Wall" was staged in a very {{narm}}-y way. In season 5, he becomes the embodiment of the Watch losing faith in Jon Snow, and the foreshadowing of [[spoiler: his betrayal of Jon Snow]] was heavyhanded to the point of being jarring. The aim was that his betrayal be an EtTuBrute moment but his shameless gloating in a short scene after the incident, ruined that. He [[spoiler:is thrown in the Castle Black dungeon following the Wildling attack, and executed with the rest of the mutineers by Jon Snow himself, though even posthumously he has this since Jon treats executing Olly]] as a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment, stating that he's younger than Bran (which again is no longer true, visually at least, as a result of the actors aging).
** The Waif, who inexplicably hates Arya from the moment she arrives at the House of Black and White, and just builds from there. Fans are also confused about how her aggressive personality is completely at odds with how Faceless Men are supposed to operate, which goes completely unacknowledged by anyone in the show.
** Ramsay Snow is a villainous example. He is intended to be a despicable character but where Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger were believable villains, Ramsay's villainy comes across [[DiabolusExMachina as motivated by the whims of the show's plot]] rather than pre-established circumstances, depending on many characters known for their political savvy and ruthlessness, such as Roose Bolton and Littlefinger himself, utterly misreading him despite being blunt ObviouslyEvil, and entirely lacking in guile, sophistication and other EvilVirtues. Book readers despise him because he has recieved AdaptationExpansion[[note]]Ramsay only appears in 2 out of 5 books and is relevant mainly to Theon's plot and doesn't appear in more than 10 chapters of a very long novel series[[/note]] and AdaptationalBadass at the expense of Sansa and Stannis. Him somehow creating a coalition of alliances in Season 6 when Roose Bolton struggled and fretted all of Season 5 for their delicate position in the North essentially undermines the versimilitude of Westerosi feudalism, and also marks Roose as a chump, and likewise [[spoiler:the sudden and easy manner of Roose's death naturally upset people who found Roose a more convincing embodiment of the North's EvilOverlord]]. There's also the show's obvious set up of a [[spoiler:Ramsay-Jon showdown which seems to based on both being bastards and Ramsay regarding him as an UnknownRival]], that struck many as a lazy and obvious attempt to make him the ArchEnemy of TheHero, not to mention that his role has been elevated from an ArcVillain to Theon's story to BigBad for two consecutive seasons with the same plot of RagtagBunchOfMisfits marching to Winterfell to dislodge him by the final two episodes repeated.
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** The two main wildlings in "Hardhome," Karsi the ReasonableAuthorityFigure and Loboda the {{Jerkass}} Thenn. Karsi shows her ActionMom chops, while Loboda offers some timely TeethClenchedTeamwork, but both are {{Sacrificial Lamb}}s for the undead to kill and don't make it out of the episode.

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** The two main wildlings in "Hardhome," Karsi the ReasonableAuthorityFigure and Loboda the {{Jerkass}} Thenn. Karsi shows her ActionMom chops, while Loboda offers some timely TeethClenchedTeamwork, TeethCwork, but both are {{Sacrificial Lamb}}s for the undead to kill and don't make it out of the episode.



* TooCoolToLive: This seems to define ''Game Of Thrones'', as the list of people fitting this trope could go on forever. For the sake of brevity, only the coolest will be listed here:
** [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Rhaegar]] [[PrinceCharming Targaryen]], the complete antithesis to [[AxCrazy Aerys II]], killed many years before the plot starts.
** [[HonorBeforeReason Ned]] [[LawfulStupid Stark]], a man known for his integrity, honor and bravery, whose death triggers an all-out civil war.
** [[BarbarianHero Khal Drogo]], who planned to conquer Westeros for Danaerys and could actually pull it off.
** [[spoiler:Robb Stark, the King in the North who was undefeated in every battle he ever fought, but lost the war.]]
** [[spoiler:Oberyn Martell, a charming, highly educated man and a deadly warrior, nicknamed the Red Viper for his habit of using poisoned weapons. Killed off less than a season after his introduction.]] Many fans didn't want to get attached to him because they feared this trope.
** [[spoiler:Mance Rayder, the King-Beyond-the-Wall. A man whose sheer charisma and strength of ideals brought together ninety clans of wildlings for a massive assault on the Wall. One of the few monarchs in the series who truly understands that a king must serve his people, and not the other way around. Wins the respect of not just his supporters, but his enemies as well. Killed off in the first episode of Season Five. Especially as he's still alive in the books and is playing a major part in the Northern storyline.]]
** [[spoiler:Ser Barristan Selmy. The ultimate MemeticBadass and LivingLegend of Westeros. It took over four full seasons for us to be able to see him in action and although he does indeed prove how much of a badass he is, RealityEnsues and he gets overwhelmed fighting too many enemies.]]
** [[spoiler:Karsi, the no-nonsense ActionMom and OnlySaneMan among the wildlings at Hardhome. Ends up being a SacrificialLion.]]
** [[spoiler:Shireen Baratheon, the kind, innocent, intelligent, WideEyedIdealist princess, who bonds with fan-favorite Davos Seaworth and teaches him how to read, brings out some warmth and goodness in her father Stannis, and refuses to accept the cruely of Melisandre's religious fanaticism. She is so precious and good that there is no way they let her survive this series. Which they don't, having her die one of the most horrific deaths ever seen on the show.]]
** As of the Season 5 finale, [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon. By all evidence, he might have made a suitably effective ruler had anyone given him the chance and he wasn't forced down a path of self-destruction, costing him everything in his pursuit of his right to be king. He also proved each time he's been in combat that, if nothing else, he is a true badass. He is so cool that many fans condemn the show runners for robbing them of the greater, fully-realized character of the books.]]
** [[spoiler:Doran Martell is a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who refused to get entangled with the war and one of the few likable characters in the widely despised Dorne arc. Killed off unceremoniously by his brother’s lover and his nieces because of his apathy on his siblings’ death]].
** [[spoiler:Osha, a wilding woman who became loyal to the Starks and did everything she could to keep Bran and Rickon safe. Then, Ramsey Bolton stabbed her in the throat]].
** [[spoiler:Hodor. He’s a big simpleton with a learning disability but he cares about Bran and can pack a mean punch. Then, he [[{{Tearjerker}} held the door]] against the wights so Meera could escape while dragging Bran]].
** [[spoiler:Wun Wun. A big honking giant and veritable OneManArmy firmly on the side of the heroes who also brought an element of CoolVersusAwesome to the mix in his debut episode where he killed multiple wights like they were nothing. Countless arrow wounds in the Battle of the Bastards ensured his DeathByAThousandCuts, but not before he smashed the gates of Winterfell and ensured the Boltons' final defeat.]]
** [[spoiler: Margaery Tyrell. An incredibly savvy and charismatic player who knew how to use her looks and intelligence to progress incredibly high into power. She's ultimately done in by Cersei Lannister's vicious machinations, dying when the Wildfire laid under the Sept blows up and obliterates her. Even then, Margaery was savvy enough to understand that something like this might have happened, and could have avoided her fate if the High Sparrow hadn't stopped her and Loras from exiting the area before the explosion.]]

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* TooCoolToLive: This seems to define ''Game Of Thrones'', as the list of people fitting this trope could go on forever. For the sake of brevity, only the coolest will be listed here:
** [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Rhaegar]] [[PrinceCharming Targaryen]], the complete antithesis to [[AxCrazy Aerys II]], killed many years before the plot starts.
** [[HonorBeforeReason Ned]] [[LawfulStupid Stark]], a man known for his integrity, honor and bravery, whose death triggers an all-out civil war.
** [[BarbarianHero Khal Drogo]], who planned to conquer Westeros for Danaerys and could actually pull it off.
** [[spoiler:Robb Stark, the King in the North who was undefeated in every battle he ever fought, but lost the war.]]
** [[spoiler:Oberyn Martell, a charming, highly educated man and a deadly warrior, nicknamed the Red Viper for his habit of using poisoned weapons. Killed off less than a season after his introduction.]] Many fans didn't want to get attached to him because they feared this trope.
** [[spoiler:Mance Rayder, the King-Beyond-the-Wall. A man whose sheer charisma and strength of ideals brought together ninety clans of wildlings for a massive assault on the Wall. One of the few monarchs in the series who truly understands that a king must serve his people, and not the other way around. Wins the respect of not just his supporters, but his enemies as well. Killed off in the first episode of Season Five. Especially as he's still alive in the books and is playing a major part in the Northern storyline.]]
** [[spoiler:Ser Barristan Selmy. The ultimate MemeticBadass and LivingLegend of Westeros. It took over four full seasons for us to be able to see him in action and although he does indeed prove how much of a badass he is, RealityEnsues and he gets overwhelmed fighting too many enemies.]]
** [[spoiler:Karsi, the no-nonsense ActionMom and OnlySaneMan among the wildlings at Hardhome. Ends up being a SacrificialLion.]]
** [[spoiler:Shireen Baratheon, the kind, innocent, intelligent, WideEyedIdealist princess, who bonds with fan-favorite Davos Seaworth and teaches him how to read, brings out some warmth and goodness in her father Stannis, and refuses to accept the cruely of Melisandre's religious fanaticism. She is so precious and good that there is no way they let her survive this series. Which they don't, having her die one of the most horrific deaths ever seen on the show.]]
** As of the Season 5 finale, [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon. By all evidence, he might have made a suitably effective ruler had anyone given him the chance and he wasn't forced down a path of self-destruction, costing him everything in his pursuit of his right to be king. He also proved each time he's been in combat that, if nothing else, he is a true badass. He is so cool that many fans condemn the show runners for robbing them of the greater, fully-realized character of the books.]]
** [[spoiler:Doran Martell is a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who refused to get entangled with the war and one of the few likable characters in the widely despised Dorne arc. Killed off unceremoniously by his brother’s lover and his nieces because of his apathy on his siblings’ death]].
** [[spoiler:Osha, a wilding woman who became loyal to the Starks and did everything she could to keep Bran and Rickon safe. Then, Ramsey Bolton stabbed her in the throat]].
** [[spoiler:Hodor. He’s a big simpleton with a learning disability but he cares about Bran and can pack a mean punch. Then, he [[{{Tearjerker}} held the door]] against the wights so Meera could escape while dragging Bran]].
** [[spoiler:Wun Wun. A big honking giant and veritable OneManArmy firmly on the side of the heroes who also brought an element of CoolVersusAwesome to the mix in his debut episode where he killed multiple wights like they were nothing. Countless arrow wounds in the Battle of the Bastards ensured his DeathByAThousandCuts, but not before he smashed the gates of Winterfell and ensured the Boltons' final defeat.]]
** [[spoiler: Margaery Tyrell. An incredibly savvy and charismatic player who knew how to use her looks and intelligence to progress incredibly high into power. She's ultimately done in by Cersei Lannister's vicious machinations, dying when the Wildfire laid under the Sept blows up and obliterates her. Even then, Margaery was savvy enough to understand that something like this might have happened, and could have avoided her fate if the High Sparrow hadn't stopped her and Loras from exiting the area before the explosion.]]
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