History YMMV / GIJoeARealAmericanHero

25th Feb '17 12:43:10 PM IdumeanPatriot
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* NightmareFuel: ''Incredible'' amounts of this, so much so that it now has [[NightmareFuel/GIJoeARealAmericanHero its own page]].

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* NightmareFuel: ''Incredible'' amounts of this, this for a show now remembered for softness and light, so much so that it now has [[NightmareFuel/GIJoeARealAmericanHero its own page]].
12th Feb '17 2:42:12 PM MarkLungo
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** In ''The Traitor'' Duke schemes to sabotage large amounts of Cobra's arsenal by letting them have the Joe team's secret armor formula, which he knows is unstable and thus unreliable. A lot of Cobra equipment is ruined, which is cool and all, but what if Cobra actually found a way to ''stabilize'' the armor formula?

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** In ''The Traitor'' "The Traitor" Duke schemes to sabotage large amounts of Cobra's arsenal by letting them have the Joe team's secret armor formula, which he knows is unstable and thus unreliable. A lot of Cobra equipment is ruined, which is cool and all, but what if Cobra actually found a way to ''stabilize'' the armor formula?



* NightmareFuel: ''Incredible'' amounts of this, for a series that's retrospectively known for softness and light. One doesn't even need to invoke FridgeHorror, though that adds considerably to the picture.
** Any story with the [[{{Doppelganger}} synthoids]] in it. There's BodyHorror when they [[CloneDegeneration melt]], but the mere fact that they are used to [[ParanoiaFuel impersonate Joes and their family members]] is much worse. Imagine being beaten and nearly killed by the [[DomesticAbuse wonderful man you love]]? Or your ''[[NightmareFuel school-age daughter?]]''
** Cobra has access to mind control technology, and use it liberally. In other words, they practice industrialized MindRape. In one episode, they ''nearly forced Scarlett's father to kill her.''
** And in another episode, they forced a captured pacifist scientist to build a weapon of mass destruction for them. He resisted fiercely until the treatment was complete; afterward, he worked equally diligently to complete it. When Cobra Commander congratulated him on his work, he said nothing, but [[ThousandYardStare stared emptily into the camera]] with [[CanOnlyMoveTheEyes silent tears running down his cheeks]].
** In one story, Cobra used remote mind control to give the Joes [[DreamWalker debilitating nightmares and hallucinations]]. Imagine a PsychoPsychologist who can sit a continent away, read your subconscious mind and slowly drive you mad with your own worst fears... The base descended into borderline outright insanity through sleep deprivation and mental fatigue.
** And besides high-tech mind control, there's still plenty of old-fashioned ColdBloodedTorture. Torture with electric shocks? Threatening the lives of loved ones? {{Gaslighting}}? [[MoralEventHorizon Torturing an arachnophobic girl with spiders?]] All depicted onscreen. Possibly not quite as horrible as some of the more fantastic things, but given more weight by the fact that these things can actually happen in real life.
** Cobra also perform experiments on humans. Some are turned into SuperSoldiers and some... are turned into [[AndIMustScream other]] [[BodyHorror things]].
** There's the fate of the workers in the Cobra labor camp in one episode. They are supervised by robots and AI, who run them like machinery. Any slowing of pace is punished with [[ElectricTorture cattle prods]], and workers may rest only at irregular intervals when the computer commands it. Nothing is said about eating. The implication is that this is a ''death camp'', where workers are simply used up and replaced. When the Joes arrive, the inmates are rather traumatized, obviously.
** And let's not forget the reeducation facility at Spring Field, which is basically [[Series/ThePrisoner1967 the Village]] on steroids.
** It isn't brought up very often, but Destro is a [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos worshiper of the Great Old Ones]], who leads an ancient evil cult that meets at his castle at every winter solstice to offer up human sacrifices to monsters sleeping deep beneath its dungeons. No, really, this isn't made up. We even get to [[ShowDontTell see it]] when the chanting cultists slowly lower a victim into the pit wherein the beasts dwell...
** Per the movie, all of Cobra is an AncientConspiracy serving one of these precursor species, who want to wipe out human civilization altogether. This puts a somewhat different spin on their generic TakeOverTheWorld villainy.
** Finally, [[BodyHorror what was done]] to Cobra Commander by his non-human superiors when he failed them. AssholeVictim? Big time. Still, the way it's depicted is pure High Octane Nightmare Fuel. He doesn't just slowly lose his humanity, he [[WasOnceAMan loses his mind as well]].
-->'''Cobra Commander''': I was a man. Yes, oh, yes. I was a man. I was a man, yes. [[MadnessMantra Yes, was once a man...]]
* RootingForTheEmpire: Despite Cobra being shown to be much more blatantly evil than, say, the [[StarWars original Empire]]. Because EvilIsCool and gets cooler uniforms than the good guys.

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* NightmareFuel: ''Incredible'' amounts of this, for a series that's retrospectively known for softness and light. One doesn't even need to invoke FridgeHorror, though so much so that adds considerably to the picture.
** Any story with the [[{{Doppelganger}} synthoids]] in it. There's BodyHorror when they [[CloneDegeneration melt]], but the mere fact that they are used to [[ParanoiaFuel impersonate Joes and their family members]] is much worse. Imagine being beaten and nearly killed by the [[DomesticAbuse wonderful man you love]]? Or your ''[[NightmareFuel school-age daughter?]]''
** Cobra
it now has access to mind control technology, and use it liberally. In other words, they practice industrialized MindRape. In one episode, they ''nearly forced Scarlett's father to kill her.''
** And in another episode, they forced a captured pacifist scientist to build a weapon of mass destruction for them. He resisted fiercely until the treatment was complete; afterward, he worked equally diligently to complete it. When Cobra Commander congratulated him on his work, he said nothing, but [[ThousandYardStare stared emptily into the camera]] with [[CanOnlyMoveTheEyes silent tears running down his cheeks]].
** In one story, Cobra used remote mind control to give the Joes [[DreamWalker debilitating nightmares and hallucinations]]. Imagine a PsychoPsychologist who can sit a continent away, read your subconscious mind and slowly drive you mad with your
[[NightmareFuel/GIJoeARealAmericanHero its own worst fears... The base descended into borderline outright insanity through sleep deprivation and mental fatigue.
** And besides high-tech mind control, there's still plenty of old-fashioned ColdBloodedTorture. Torture with electric shocks? Threatening the lives of loved ones? {{Gaslighting}}? [[MoralEventHorizon Torturing an arachnophobic girl with spiders?]] All depicted onscreen. Possibly not quite as horrible as some of the more fantastic things, but given more weight by the fact that these things can actually happen in real life.
** Cobra also perform experiments on humans. Some are turned into SuperSoldiers and some... are turned into [[AndIMustScream other]] [[BodyHorror things]].
** There's the fate of the workers in the Cobra labor camp in one episode. They are supervised by robots and AI, who run them like machinery. Any slowing of pace is punished with [[ElectricTorture cattle prods]], and workers may rest only at irregular intervals when the computer commands it. Nothing is said about eating. The implication is that this is a ''death camp'', where workers are simply used up and replaced. When the Joes arrive, the inmates are rather traumatized, obviously.
** And let's not forget the reeducation facility at Spring Field, which is basically [[Series/ThePrisoner1967 the Village]] on steroids.
** It isn't brought up very often, but Destro is a [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos worshiper of the Great Old Ones]], who leads an ancient evil cult that meets at his castle at every winter solstice to offer up human sacrifices to monsters sleeping deep beneath its dungeons. No, really, this isn't made up. We even get to [[ShowDontTell see it]] when the chanting cultists slowly lower a victim into the pit wherein the beasts dwell...
** Per the movie, all of Cobra is an AncientConspiracy serving one of these precursor species, who want to wipe out human civilization altogether. This puts a somewhat different spin on their generic TakeOverTheWorld villainy.
** Finally, [[BodyHorror what was done]] to Cobra Commander by his non-human superiors when he failed them. AssholeVictim? Big time. Still, the way it's depicted is pure High Octane Nightmare Fuel. He doesn't just slowly lose his humanity, he [[WasOnceAMan loses his mind as well]].
-->'''Cobra Commander''': I was a man. Yes, oh, yes. I was a man. I was a man, yes. [[MadnessMantra Yes, was once a man...]]
page]].
* RootingForTheEmpire: Despite Cobra being shown to be much more blatantly evil than, say, the [[StarWars [[Franchise/StarWars original Empire]]. Because EvilIsCool and gets cooler uniforms than the good guys.
10th Feb '17 2:16:29 AM CaptainTedium
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* BrokenBase: A lot of fans disliked the Creator/DiCEntertainment continuation, but there are some who find it a good show on its own even if it doesn't quite live up to the quality of the Sunbow series.

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* BrokenBase: A lot of fans disliked the Creator/DiCEntertainment continuation, continuation (though some at least consider the "Operation: Dragonfire" arc decent), but there are some also fans who find it a good show on its own even if it doesn't quite live up to the quality of the Sunbow series.
31st Jan '17 9:04:13 PM WJTaylor4
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** In ''The Traitor'' Duke schemes to sabotage large amounts of Cobra's arsenal by letting them have the Joe team's secret armor formula, which he knows is unstable and thus unreliable. A lot of Cobra equipment is ruined, which is cool and all, but what if Cobra actually found a way to ''stabilize'' the armor formula?
26th Jan '17 4:16:24 AM Mishmash
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-->'''Cobra Commander''': I was a man. Yes, oh, yes. I was a man. I was man, yes. [[MadnessMantra Was a man...]]

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-->'''Cobra Commander''': I was a man. Yes, oh, yes. I was a man. I was a man, yes. [[MadnessMantra Was Yes, was once a man...]]
26th Jan '17 4:08:15 AM Mishmash
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** Extensive Enterprises. GI Joe ''know'' this massively corrupt MegaCorp is run by Cobra, but they apparently can't shut it down. Only two explanations for this are possible. Either Washington is so corrupt in this setting that the government protects a company that ''finances domestic terrorism.'' Or, even worse: Cobra is so ''powerful'' that they can lean on the government to stay out of their business.

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** Extensive Enterprises. GI Joe ''know'' ''knows'' this massively corrupt MegaCorp is run by Cobra, but they apparently can't shut it down. Only two explanations for this are possible. Either Washington is so corrupt in this setting that the government protects a company that ''finances domestic terrorism.'' Or, even worse: Cobra is so ''powerful'' that they can lean on the government to stay out of their business.
26th Jan '17 2:08:55 AM Mishmash
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** Also in the movie, what all the Joes captured by the "trees" may have gone through, could those trees have had some kind of anesthetic effect, like when a close up of Scarlet later is shown with her eyes closed, or could they, especially Roadblocks detachment from earlier, have been awake the whole time?
26th Jan '17 1:57:24 AM Mishmash
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**In the animated movie, the reaction from various characters of seeing Cobra Commander after his exposure to a spore pod.
26th Jan '17 1:49:58 AM Mishmash
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*** [[Plot Bunny]] Considering that the comics sometimes feature crossovers with Transformers, In "Once Upon a Joe", the McGuffin device, who's origin was never confirmed, could have been a piece of Transformer technology, with the Joes not knowing due to a "need to know basis".

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*** [[Plot Bunny]] * Plot Bunny: Considering that the comics sometimes feature crossovers with Transformers, In "Once Upon a Joe", the McGuffin device, who's origin was never confirmed, could have been a piece of Transformer technology, with the Joes not knowing due to a "need to know basis".
26th Jan '17 1:48:53 AM Mishmash
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** [[Plot Bunny]] Considering that the comics sometimes feature crossovers with Transformers, In "Once Upon a Joe", the McGuffin device, who's origin was never confirmed, could have been a piece of Transformer technology, with the Joes not knowing due to a "need to know basis".

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** *** [[Plot Bunny]] Considering that the comics sometimes feature crossovers with Transformers, In "Once Upon a Joe", the McGuffin device, who's origin was never confirmed, could have been a piece of Transformer technology, with the Joes not knowing due to a "need to know basis".
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