History YMMV / Frasier

17th Nov '16 7:47:13 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Maris is an AcceptableTarget for her bad personality and the way she treats Niles, but all the cracks about her approach to food (a fear of buffets, terror of gaining weight, crying when people joke about her eating a lot) still become a little bit less funny when it's revealed that she was obese when she was young and dedicated a part of her life to never being that fat ever again.

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** Maris is an AcceptableTarget for her bad personality and the way she treats Niles, but all the cracks about her approach to food (a fear of buffets, terror of gaining weight, crying when people joke about her eating a lot) still become a little bit less funny when it's revealed that [[FormerlyFat she was obese when she was young young]] and dedicated a part of her life to never being that fat ever again.
8th Nov '16 10:57:50 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* TastesLikeDiabetes: The climax of the episode with Frasier's ex-wife Nanny G. Yes...the ''stage show''. Good grief, the '''stage show'''!!!

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* TastesLikeDiabetes: The climax of the episode with Frasier's ex-wife Nanny G. Yes...the ''stage show''. Good grief, the '''stage show'''!!!
2nd Nov '16 8:23:52 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: It had been mentioned on Cheers that Frasier's father was not only a psychologist, but also dead. When Sam shows up for a guest-appearance and naturally questions Martin about this, Frasier clarifies that he and Martin had just had an argument where Martin called him a stuffed shirt and hung up on him, leading to him bitterly telling the rest of Cheers he was dead.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: It had been mentioned on Cheers ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' that Frasier's father was not only a psychologist, but also dead. When Sam shows up for a guest-appearance and naturally questions Martin about this, Frasier clarifies that he and Martin had just had an argument where Martin called him a stuffed shirt and hung up on him, leading to him bitterly telling the rest of Cheers he was dead.



* FollowTheLeader / {{Homage}}: The show takes many of its visual cues and dialog from ''Film/HannahAndHerSisters''.



* HilariousInHindsight: The plot where Frasier and Niles become convinced they're descended from the Romanovs is much funnier given [[WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}} another of Kelsey Grammar's roles]].

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The plot where Frasier and Niles become convinced they're descended from the Romanovs is much funnier given [[WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}} another of Kelsey Grammar's roles]].



** The episode with Patrick Stewart wouldn't be the last time Kelsey Grammar and Patrick Stewart would work [[Film/XMenTheLastStand together]].

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** The episode with Patrick Stewart Creator/PatrickStewart wouldn't be the last time Kelsey Grammar and Patrick Stewart Creator/KelseyGrammar would work [[Film/XMenTheLastStand together]].with him]].



*** Frasier's derisive comments toward X-Men comics and the negative effect he thought they'd have on his son's intellect in "The Show Must Go Off" also became much funnier when Kelsey Grammar himself became an X-Man.
** The episode where Sam Malone shows up, Sam and Roz do a bit of flirting. Almost 2 decades later, Ted Danson and Peri Gilpin play husband and wife on [[Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation CSI]].

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*** Frasier's derisive comments toward X-Men comics and the negative effect he thought they'd have on his son's intellect in "The Show Must Go Off" also became much funnier when Kelsey Grammar himself became an X-Man.
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** The episode where Sam Malone shows up, Sam and Roz do a bit of flirting. Almost 2 decades later, Ted Danson and Peri Gilpin play husband and wife on [[Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation CSI]].''[[Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation CSI]]''.



** In the Season 11 episode ''The Placeholder'' Frasier gets made fun of for having a grocery tote and organic groceries. Less than a decade later, Organic Groceries are popular in Seattle and residents are encourage to have totes as plastic grocery bags are illegal and paper ones cost you money. Not so funny now, eh, Roz?
** In ''Head Game'' when Frasier asks Niles to fill in for him on his show, Niles makes a remark that "I couldn't presume to fill those big floppy red shoes of yours." This episode aired on the 12th of November 1996. On the 23rd of February 1997, the Simpsons episode "Brother from Another Series" aired in which Kelsey Grammar played Sideshow Bob and David Hyde Peirce portrayed Bob's brother Cecil (as a clear and hilarious reference to their roles on Frasier). A key focus of their relationship in the episode was Cecil's jealousy over Bob's success as a clown's assistant (which had actually been Cecil's dream) which included wearing big floppy red shoes (though, as a technical point, the shoes weren't actually that floppy on Bob due to his having been established as having unusually large feet).

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** In the Season 11 episode ''The Placeholder'' "The Placeholder" Frasier gets made fun of for having a grocery tote and organic groceries. Less than a decade later, Organic Groceries are popular in Seattle and residents are encourage to have totes as plastic grocery bags are illegal and paper ones cost you money. Not so funny now, eh, Roz?
** In ''Head Game'' "Head Game" when Frasier asks Niles to fill in for him on his show, Niles makes a remark that "I couldn't presume to fill those big floppy red shoes of yours." This episode aired on the 12th of November 1996. On the 23rd of February 1997, the Simpsons episode "Brother from Another Series" aired in which Kelsey Grammar played Sideshow Bob and David Hyde Peirce portrayed Bob's brother Cecil (as a clear and hilarious reference to their roles on Frasier). A key focus of their relationship in the episode was Cecil's jealousy over Bob's success as a clown's assistant (which had actually been Cecil's dream) which included wearing big floppy red shoes (though, as a technical point, the shoes weren't actually that floppy on Bob due to his having been established as having unusually large feet).



* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length, had better critical reception and fared better at the Emmy's. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.

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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' is still more popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length, had better critical reception and fared better at the Emmy's. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.



** Frasier. He's often played for laughs as an UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist, but take a look at his life. He (and his brother, for the record), was horribly bullied throughout his childhood, had a father who disapproved of pretty much everything he was ever interested in, a mother who, from what we could see in ''Cheers'', was a natural liar and at least somewhat emotionally manipulative. By the end of the series, not only does he have 3 very painful broken marriages/almost marriages under his belt, but a string of hostile rejections from multiple women in Seattle, and all of the various humiliations or setbacks that plague him at various points in the series. He brings some of them down on himself but it's no wonder he lies and panics so much in new relationships, considering all of the esteem shattering situations he's been through. All of this, by the way, while constantly listening to other people's problems and supporting his friends and family emotionally and (apparently) financially without so much as a thank you in return. It's a wonder he never went postal.

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** Frasier. He's often played for laughs as an UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist, but take a look at his life. He (and his brother, for the record), was horribly bullied throughout his childhood, had a father who disapproved of pretty much everything he was ever interested in, a mother who, from what we could see in ''Cheers'', ''Series/{{Cheers}}'', was a natural liar and at least somewhat emotionally manipulative. By the end of the series, not only does he have 3 very painful broken marriages/almost marriages under his belt, but a string of hostile rejections from multiple women in Seattle, and all of the various humiliations or setbacks that plague him at various points in the series. He brings some of them down on himself but it's no wonder he lies and panics so much in new relationships, considering all of the esteem shattering situations he's been through. All of this, by the way, while constantly listening to other people's problems and supporting his friends and family emotionally and (apparently) financially without so much as a thank you in return. It's a wonder he never went postal.
6th Oct '16 8:03:02 AM Demetrios
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* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: The ''Frasier'' characters are pretty okay with lawyers. It's ''talent agents'' they don't like (mostly Bebe).

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* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: A RunningGag in the series. The ''Frasier'' characters are pretty okay with lawyers. It's ''talent agents'' they don't like dislike talent agents (mostly Bebe).Bebe) for pretty much the same reasons other people would dislike [[EvilLawyerJoke lawyers]].
17th Sep '16 4:34:41 PM thecarolinabull01
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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more well-known to the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length and had better critical reception. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.

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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more well-known to popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length and length, had better critical reception.reception and fared better at the Emmy's. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.
17th Sep '16 4:28:51 PM thecarolinabull01
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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more well-known to the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length and had better critical reception. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.
11th Sep '16 1:35:40 AM mlsmithca
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** {{YMMV}}, because Rubinek is an excellent actor and made the character of Donny work.
10th Sep '16 10:09:04 PM AnotherGuy
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** {{YMMV}}, because Rubinek is an excellent actor and made the character of Donny work.
10th Sep '16 10:08:01 PM AnotherGuy
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*** The group runs into him a few more times after that. The first time, he's getting married to another woman, claiming that it's true love and he's happy. The next time we see him, he's with a different woman, with the implication that he and the first one are already divorced. When he witnesses (what he thinks) is Niles and Daphne breaking up, he goes on a long, angry speech about how Niles knows how it feels to be dumped by the love of your life and "good luck trying to find someone just as good ''because she just ain't out there''." He then turns around and realizes that he's said this right in front of his new girlfriend.

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*** The group runs into him a few more times after that. The first time, he's getting married to another woman, claiming that it's true love and he's happy. The next time we see him, he's with a different woman, with the implication that he and the first one are already divorced. When he witnesses (what he thinks) is Niles and Daphne breaking up, he goes on a long, angry speech about how Niles knows how it feels to be dumped by the love of your life and "good luck trying to find someone just as good ''because she just ain't out there''." He then turns around and realizes that he's said this right in front of his new girlfriend.fiancee.
10th Sep '16 10:07:03 PM AnotherGuy
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** For many, Donny became this starting with Season 8. Throughout Season 7, he is shown as a character that was very nearly impossible to dislike because of how sweet and genuine he was. After Niles and Daphne end up together, he makes a very sudden turn for the Jerkass Lawyer, threatening to sue not just Daphne, but Frasier as well. Many fans view this shift as abrupt and see Donny's motivations as childish, even for someone who got left at the altar. Some compare him to Frasier, who never got over the betrayal but didn't lash out at anyone but Diane over it, and only in small, verbal ways. Donny did get over Daphne, however, kinda sorta, when he met someone.[[note]]That someone apparently wasn't "The One" because the next time he's seen, he's getting married to another woman - and when Daphne seems to leave Niles at the alter (she didn't, she was tired of getting married to Niles a ''third'' time), he cackles that Niles now knows how ''he'' felt, alienating his fiance![[/note]]

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** For many, Donny became this starting with Season 8. Throughout Season 7, he is shown as a character that was very nearly impossible to dislike because of how sweet and genuine he was. After Niles and Daphne end up together, he makes a very sudden turn for the Jerkass Lawyer, threatening to sue not just Daphne, but Frasier as well. Many fans view this shift as abrupt and see Donny's motivations as childish, even for someone who got left at the altar. Some compare him to Frasier, who never got over the betrayal but didn't lash out at anyone but Diane over it, and only in small, verbal ways. Donny did get over Daphne, however, kinda sorta, when he met someone.[[note]]That someone apparently wasn't "The One" because the next time he's seen, he's getting married to another woman - and when Daphne seems to leave Niles at the alter altar (she didn't, she was tired of getting married to Niles a ''third'' time), he cackles that Niles now knows how ''he'' felt, alienating his fiance![[/note]]
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