History YMMV / Frasier

17th Sep '16 4:34:41 PM thecarolinabull01
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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more well-known to the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length and had better critical reception. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.

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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more well-known to popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length and length, had better critical reception.reception and fared better at the Emmy's. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.
17th Sep '16 4:28:51 PM thecarolinabull01
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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more well-known to the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length and had better critical reception. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.
11th Sep '16 1:35:40 AM mlsmithca
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** {{YMMV}}, because Rubinek is an excellent actor and made the character of Donny work.
10th Sep '16 10:09:04 PM AnotherGuy
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** {{YMMV}}, because Rubinek is an excellent actor and made the character of Donny work.
10th Sep '16 10:08:01 PM AnotherGuy
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*** The group runs into him a few more times after that. The first time, he's getting married to another woman, claiming that it's true love and he's happy. The next time we see him, he's with a different woman, with the implication that he and the first one are already divorced. When he witnesses (what he thinks) is Niles and Daphne breaking up, he goes on a long, angry speech about how Niles knows how it feels to be dumped by the love of your life and "good luck trying to find someone just as good ''because she just ain't out there''." He then turns around and realizes that he's said this right in front of his new girlfriend.

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*** The group runs into him a few more times after that. The first time, he's getting married to another woman, claiming that it's true love and he's happy. The next time we see him, he's with a different woman, with the implication that he and the first one are already divorced. When he witnesses (what he thinks) is Niles and Daphne breaking up, he goes on a long, angry speech about how Niles knows how it feels to be dumped by the love of your life and "good luck trying to find someone just as good ''because she just ain't out there''." He then turns around and realizes that he's said this right in front of his new girlfriend.fiancee.
10th Sep '16 10:07:03 PM AnotherGuy
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** For many, Donny became this starting with Season 8. Throughout Season 7, he is shown as a character that was very nearly impossible to dislike because of how sweet and genuine he was. After Niles and Daphne end up together, he makes a very sudden turn for the Jerkass Lawyer, threatening to sue not just Daphne, but Frasier as well. Many fans view this shift as abrupt and see Donny's motivations as childish, even for someone who got left at the altar. Some compare him to Frasier, who never got over the betrayal but didn't lash out at anyone but Diane over it, and only in small, verbal ways. Donny did get over Daphne, however, kinda sorta, when he met someone.[[note]]That someone apparently wasn't "The One" because the next time he's seen, he's getting married to another woman - and when Daphne seems to leave Niles at the alter (she didn't, she was tired of getting married to Niles a ''third'' time), he cackles that Niles now knows how ''he'' felt, alienating his fiance![[/note]]

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** For many, Donny became this starting with Season 8. Throughout Season 7, he is shown as a character that was very nearly impossible to dislike because of how sweet and genuine he was. After Niles and Daphne end up together, he makes a very sudden turn for the Jerkass Lawyer, threatening to sue not just Daphne, but Frasier as well. Many fans view this shift as abrupt and see Donny's motivations as childish, even for someone who got left at the altar. Some compare him to Frasier, who never got over the betrayal but didn't lash out at anyone but Diane over it, and only in small, verbal ways. Donny did get over Daphne, however, kinda sorta, when he met someone.[[note]]That someone apparently wasn't "The One" because the next time he's seen, he's getting married to another woman - and when Daphne seems to leave Niles at the alter altar (she didn't, she was tired of getting married to Niles a ''third'' time), he cackles that Niles now knows how ''he'' felt, alienating his fiance![[/note]]
10th Sep '16 10:05:29 PM AnotherGuy
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* EnsembleDarkhors: The Latin version of KACL. From the hysterical joke in the credits of the finale of season 5 to watching their hearfelt goodbyes to each other when KACL changed back to an all-talk format, some fans felt curious about what that version of the radio station was like.

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* EnsembleDarkhors: EnsembleDarkhorse: The Latin version of KACL. From the hysterical joke in the credits of the finale of season 5 to watching their hearfelt goodbyes to each other when KACL changed back to an all-talk format, some fans felt curious about what that version of the radio station was like.



** For many, Donny became this starting with Season 8. Throughout Season 7, he is shown as a character that was very nearly impossible to dislike because of how sweet and genuine he was. After Niles and Daphne end up together, he makes a very sudden turn for the Jerkass Lawyer, threatening to sue not just Daphne, but Frasier as well. Many fans view this shift as abrupt and see Donny's motivations as childish, even for someone who got left at the altar. Some compare him to Frasier, who never got over the betrayal but didn't lash out at anyone but Diane over it, and only in small, verbal ways.

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** For many, Donny became this starting with Season 8. Throughout Season 7, he is shown as a character that was very nearly impossible to dislike because of how sweet and genuine he was. After Niles and Daphne end up together, he makes a very sudden turn for the Jerkass Lawyer, threatening to sue not just Daphne, but Frasier as well. Many fans view this shift as abrupt and see Donny's motivations as childish, even for someone who got left at the altar. Some compare him to Frasier, who never got over the betrayal but didn't lash out at anyone but Diane over it, and only in small, verbal ways. Donny did get over Daphne, however, kinda sorta, when he met someone.[[note]]That someone apparently wasn't "The One" because the next time he's seen, he's getting married to another woman - and when Daphne seems to leave Niles at the alter (she didn't, she was tired of getting married to Niles a ''third'' time), he cackles that Niles now knows how ''he'' felt, alienating his fiance![[/note]]
3rd Sep '16 8:19:21 PM tonagamu
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* EnsembleDarkhors: The Latin version of KACL. From the hysterical joke in the credits of the finale of season 5 to watching their hearfelt goodbyes to each other when KACL changed back to an all-talk format, some fans felt curious about what that version of the radio station was like.
8th Aug '16 8:36:30 AM Demetrios
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* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: The ''Frasier'' characters are pretty okay with lawyers. It's ''talent agents'' they don't like (mostly Bebe).
31st Jul '16 5:14:52 PM PriceCheck
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Several episodes take Frasier's RousseauWasRight belief and pointedly disprove it. A man who steals Frasier's identity turns him over to the police after an IgnoredEpiphany; Bulldog uses his mother as a shield against a (believed but not really) gunman after turning down pointed opportunities from Frasier to confess that he is not a hero; Lilith's con artist brother Blaine fakes a disability and religious conversion to swindle innocent people and Frasier out of thousands, and gets away with it; and when the two meet their childhood bullies grown up, one is repentant for how he treated them but the other laughs about it and feels no guilt at all. These episodes and others with similar stories seem to say that bad people really don't change and aren't really good deep down, and if they suffer karmic retribution or not for their misdeeds is up to chance.
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