History YMMV / Frasier

18th Jun '17 6:01:33 PM mlsmithca
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Frasier can't tell his new producer-in-training Mary Thomas that he doesn't like how she works, [[WhiteMansBurden because she's black and he's afraid of looking racist.]] When he and Niles roleplay a confrontation, Frasier's portrayal of Mary as a SassyBlackWoman is so ridiculously offensive it's ''hilarious''.
-->'''Niles:''' ''(playing Frasier)'' Now, I want you to contribute, but only up to a point.
-->'''Frasier:''' ''(playing Mary)'' So you want me to stay in my place, ''Massa''?!
-->'''Niles:''' She's not going to say "massa".
-->'''Frasier:''' What, am I gettin' too uppity for you? You sherry swillin', opera lovin', Armani wearin' elitist? You have ''no idea'' how difficult it is for a ''black woman'' in a ''white man's world''!
-->'''Niles:''' Frasier--
-->'''Frasier:''' ''(practically snapping his fingers)'' I DON'T THINK SO!

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: CrossesTheLineTwice:
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Frasier can't tell his new producer-in-training Mary Thomas that he doesn't like how she works, [[WhiteMansBurden because she's black and he's afraid of looking racist.]] When he and Niles roleplay a confrontation, Frasier's portrayal of Mary as a SassyBlackWoman is so ridiculously offensive it's ''hilarious''.
-->'''Niles:''' --->'''Niles:''' ''(playing Frasier)'' Now, I want you to contribute, but only up to a point.
-->'''Frasier:'''
point.\\
'''Frasier:'''
''(playing Mary)'' So you want me to stay in my place, ''Massa''?!
-->'''Niles:'''
''Massa''?!\\
'''Niles:'''
She's not going to say "massa".
-->'''Frasier:'''
"massa".\\
'''Frasier:'''
What, am I gettin' too uppity for you? You sherry swillin', opera lovin', Armani wearin' elitist? You have ''no idea'' how difficult it is for a ''black woman'' in a ''white man's world''!
-->'''Niles:''' Frasier--
-->'''Frasier:'''
world''!\\
'''Niles:''' Frasier--\\
'''Frasier:'''
''(practically snapping his fingers)'' I DON'T THINK SO!



* {{Earworm}}: The closing theme

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* {{Earworm}}: {{Earworm}}:
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The closing themetheme.



*** From Season 3, an in-universe example: "Flesh is burning, nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh." Daphne complains she'll have it in her head all day. The next scene, we see her singing it as she does chores, and then Martin comes out of the kitchen singing it.

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*** ** From Season 3, an in-universe example: "Flesh is burning, nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh." Daphne complains she'll have it in her head all day. The next scene, we see her singing it as she does chores, and then Martin comes out of the kitchen singing it.



** The plot where Frasier and Niles become convinced they're descended from the Romanovs is much funnier given [[WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}} another of Kelsey Grammar's roles]].

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** The plot where Frasier and Niles become convinced they're descended from the Romanovs is much funnier given [[WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}} another of Kelsey Grammar's Grammer's roles]].



** The episode with Creator/PatrickStewart wouldn't be the last time Creator/KelseyGrammar would work [[Film/XMenTheLastStand with him]].

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** The episode with Creator/PatrickStewart wouldn't be the last time Creator/KelseyGrammar Creator/KelseyGrammer would work [[Film/XMenTheLastStand with him]].



*** Frasier's derisive comments toward X-Men comics and the negative effect he thought they'd have on his son's intellect in "The Show Must Go Off" also became much funnier when Grammar himself play Beast.
** The episode where Sam Malone shows up, Sam and Roz do a bit of flirting. Almost 2 decades later, Ted Danson and Peri Gilpin play husband and wife on ''[[Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation CSI]]''.

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*** Frasier's derisive comments toward X-Men comics and the negative effect he thought they'd have on his son's intellect in "The Show Must Go Off" also became much funnier when Grammar Grammer himself play played Beast.
** The episode where Sam Malone shows up, Sam and Roz do a bit of flirting. Almost 2 two decades later, Ted Danson and Peri Gilpin play husband and wife on ''[[Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation CSI]]''.



** In "Head Game" when Frasier asks Niles to fill in for him on his show, Niles makes a remark that "I couldn't presume to fill those big floppy red shoes of yours." This episode aired on the 12th of November 1996. On the 23rd of February 1997, the Simpsons episode "Brother from Another Series" aired in which Kelsey Grammar played Sideshow Bob and David Hyde Peirce portrayed Bob's brother Cecil (as a clear and hilarious reference to their roles on Frasier). A key focus of their relationship in the episode was Cecil's jealousy over Bob's success as a clown's assistant (which had actually been Cecil's dream) which included wearing big floppy red shoes (though, as a technical point, the shoes weren't actually that floppy on Bob due to his having been established as having unusually large feet).

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** In "Head Game" when Frasier asks Niles to fill in for him on his show, Niles makes a remark that "I couldn't presume to fill those big floppy red shoes of yours." This episode aired on the 12th of November 1996. On the 23rd of February 1997, the Simpsons episode "Brother from Another Series" aired in which Kelsey Grammar Grammer played Sideshow Bob and David Hyde Peirce portrayed Bob's brother Cecil (as a clear and hilarious reference to their roles on Frasier). A key focus of their relationship in the episode was Cecil's jealousy over Bob's success as a clown's assistant (which had actually been Cecil's dream) which included wearing big floppy red shoes (though, as a technical point, the shoes weren't actually that floppy on Bob due to his having been established as having unusually large feet).



* InformedWrongness:
** Niles in "Room Full of Heroes." While he was drunk and pretty passive-aggressive in his diatribe, it should be noted that nobody even thought to feel sorry for Niles feeling the way he did. After all, he was near tears giving that speech, and it isn't like Martin had never done anything to validate those feelings Niles had expressed.

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* InformedWrongness:
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InformedWrongness: Niles in "Room Full of Heroes." While he was drunk and pretty passive-aggressive in his diatribe, it should be noted that nobody even thought to feel sorry for Niles feeling the way he did. After all, he was near tears giving that speech, and it isn't like Martin had never done anything to validate those feelings Niles had expressed.



** Julia Wilcox, for not only having what viewers believed was a highly unpleasant and unoriginal personality, but because the show seemingly went out of its way to constantly confirm that she really was just a complete bitch with next to no redeeming aspects in every new appearance. The fact that she actually got into a relationship with Frasier at the end of Season 10 only added insult to injury, and was quickly undone by the new writing staff in Season 11.
*** Not only undone but the new writers went out of their way to savagely deconstruct her and Frasier's relationship till Frasier broke things off with her in one episode.

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** Julia Wilcox, for not only having what viewers believed was a highly unpleasant and unoriginal personality, but because the show seemingly went out of its way to constantly confirm that she really was just a complete bitch with next to no redeeming aspects in every new appearance. The fact that she actually got into a relationship with Frasier at the end of Season 10 only added insult to injury, and was quickly undone by the new writing staff in Season 11.
*** Not only undone but
11; indeed, the new writers went out of their way to savagely deconstruct her and Frasier's relationship till Frasier broke things off with her in one episode.



* StrawmanHasAPoint: In "Room Full of Heroes", Niles begins to say, in-character as Martin, that he and Frasier were disappointments to him. Martin sharply cuts him off and says he's portraying him as a "drunken judgmental jackass." While Niles was certainly over the line and had indeed had a few beers, considering how Martin treats the two of them and routinely expresses exasperation about their behavior, it's hard not to see why Niles would think this way (as an example, in “You Can't Tell a Crook by His Cover” when Frasier asked him if he believed in second chances Martin’s response was “I did, but then we had Niles.”).
** This [[FridgeBrilliance could be why Martin reacts so poorly]], at least partly; Niles's performance was clearly beginning to hit a bit close to home in other ways (such as his drinking habits) as well...

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: StrawmanHasAPoint:
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In "Room Full of Heroes", Niles begins to say, in-character as Martin, that he and Frasier were disappointments to him. Martin sharply cuts him off and says he's portraying him as a "drunken judgmental jackass." While Niles was certainly over the line and had indeed had a few beers, considering how Martin treats the two of them and routinely expresses exasperation about their behavior, it's hard not to see why Niles would think this way (as an example, in “You Can't Tell a Crook by His Cover” when Frasier asked him if he believed in second chances Martin’s response was “I did, but then we had Niles.”).
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”). This [[FridgeBrilliance could be why Martin reacts so poorly]], at least partly; Niles's performance was clearly beginning to hit a bit close to home in other ways (such as his drinking habits) as well...
21st May '17 8:46:01 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Frasier at one point has the bad idea of hosting his show on Christmas, treating himself to sad Christmas stories. One caller tells him about telling his father that the puppy Santa got him won't wake up - Frasier congratulates him for the saddest story.

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** Frasier at one point has the bad idea of hosting his show on Christmas, treating himself to sad Christmas stories. One caller tells him about telling his father that the puppy Santa [[SantaClaus Santa]] got him won't wake up - Frasier congratulates him for the saddest story.
10th Feb '17 12:17:14 AM C2
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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' is still more popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length, had better critical reception and fared better at the Emmy's. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.

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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' is still more popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length, had better critical reception and fared better at the Emmy's.Emmys. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.
5th Feb '17 8:54:28 AM Demetrios
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* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: A RunningGag in the series. The ''Frasier'' characters dislike talent agents (mostly Bebe) for pretty much the same reasons other people would dislike [[EvilLawyerJoke lawyers]].
17th Nov '16 7:47:13 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Maris is an AcceptableTarget for her bad personality and the way she treats Niles, but all the cracks about her approach to food (a fear of buffets, terror of gaining weight, crying when people joke about her eating a lot) still become a little bit less funny when it's revealed that she was obese when she was young and dedicated a part of her life to never being that fat ever again.

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** Maris is an AcceptableTarget for her bad personality and the way she treats Niles, but all the cracks about her approach to food (a fear of buffets, terror of gaining weight, crying when people joke about her eating a lot) still become a little bit less funny when it's revealed that [[FormerlyFat she was obese when she was young young]] and dedicated a part of her life to never being that fat ever again.
8th Nov '16 10:57:50 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* TastesLikeDiabetes: The climax of the episode with Frasier's ex-wife Nanny G. Yes...the ''stage show''. Good grief, the '''stage show'''!!!

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* TastesLikeDiabetes: The climax of the episode with Frasier's ex-wife Nanny G. Yes...the ''stage show''. Good grief, the '''stage show'''!!!
2nd Nov '16 8:23:52 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: It had been mentioned on Cheers that Frasier's father was not only a psychologist, but also dead. When Sam shows up for a guest-appearance and naturally questions Martin about this, Frasier clarifies that he and Martin had just had an argument where Martin called him a stuffed shirt and hung up on him, leading to him bitterly telling the rest of Cheers he was dead.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: It had been mentioned on Cheers ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' that Frasier's father was not only a psychologist, but also dead. When Sam shows up for a guest-appearance and naturally questions Martin about this, Frasier clarifies that he and Martin had just had an argument where Martin called him a stuffed shirt and hung up on him, leading to him bitterly telling the rest of Cheers he was dead.



* FollowTheLeader / {{Homage}}: The show takes many of its visual cues and dialog from ''Film/HannahAndHerSisters''.



* HilariousInHindsight: The plot where Frasier and Niles become convinced they're descended from the Romanovs is much funnier given [[WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}} another of Kelsey Grammar's roles]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
**
The plot where Frasier and Niles become convinced they're descended from the Romanovs is much funnier given [[WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}} another of Kelsey Grammar's roles]].



** The episode with Patrick Stewart wouldn't be the last time Kelsey Grammar and Patrick Stewart would work [[Film/XMenTheLastStand together]].

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** The episode with Patrick Stewart Creator/PatrickStewart wouldn't be the last time Kelsey Grammar and Patrick Stewart Creator/KelseyGrammar would work [[Film/XMenTheLastStand together]].with him]].



*** Frasier's derisive comments toward X-Men comics and the negative effect he thought they'd have on his son's intellect in "The Show Must Go Off" also became much funnier when Kelsey Grammar himself became an X-Man.
** The episode where Sam Malone shows up, Sam and Roz do a bit of flirting. Almost 2 decades later, Ted Danson and Peri Gilpin play husband and wife on [[Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation CSI]].

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*** Frasier's derisive comments toward X-Men comics and the negative effect he thought they'd have on his son's intellect in "The Show Must Go Off" also became much funnier when Kelsey Grammar himself became an X-Man.
play Beast.
** The episode where Sam Malone shows up, Sam and Roz do a bit of flirting. Almost 2 decades later, Ted Danson and Peri Gilpin play husband and wife on [[Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation CSI]].''[[Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation CSI]]''.



** In the Season 11 episode ''The Placeholder'' Frasier gets made fun of for having a grocery tote and organic groceries. Less than a decade later, Organic Groceries are popular in Seattle and residents are encourage to have totes as plastic grocery bags are illegal and paper ones cost you money. Not so funny now, eh, Roz?
** In ''Head Game'' when Frasier asks Niles to fill in for him on his show, Niles makes a remark that "I couldn't presume to fill those big floppy red shoes of yours." This episode aired on the 12th of November 1996. On the 23rd of February 1997, the Simpsons episode "Brother from Another Series" aired in which Kelsey Grammar played Sideshow Bob and David Hyde Peirce portrayed Bob's brother Cecil (as a clear and hilarious reference to their roles on Frasier). A key focus of their relationship in the episode was Cecil's jealousy over Bob's success as a clown's assistant (which had actually been Cecil's dream) which included wearing big floppy red shoes (though, as a technical point, the shoes weren't actually that floppy on Bob due to his having been established as having unusually large feet).

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** In the Season 11 episode ''The Placeholder'' "The Placeholder" Frasier gets made fun of for having a grocery tote and organic groceries. Less than a decade later, Organic Groceries are popular in Seattle and residents are encourage to have totes as plastic grocery bags are illegal and paper ones cost you money. Not so funny now, eh, Roz?
** In ''Head Game'' "Head Game" when Frasier asks Niles to fill in for him on his show, Niles makes a remark that "I couldn't presume to fill those big floppy red shoes of yours." This episode aired on the 12th of November 1996. On the 23rd of February 1997, the Simpsons episode "Brother from Another Series" aired in which Kelsey Grammar played Sideshow Bob and David Hyde Peirce portrayed Bob's brother Cecil (as a clear and hilarious reference to their roles on Frasier). A key focus of their relationship in the episode was Cecil's jealousy over Bob's success as a clown's assistant (which had actually been Cecil's dream) which included wearing big floppy red shoes (though, as a technical point, the shoes weren't actually that floppy on Bob due to his having been established as having unusually large feet).



* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length, had better critical reception and fared better at the Emmy's. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.

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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' is still more popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length, had better critical reception and fared better at the Emmy's. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.



** Frasier. He's often played for laughs as an UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist, but take a look at his life. He (and his brother, for the record), was horribly bullied throughout his childhood, had a father who disapproved of pretty much everything he was ever interested in, a mother who, from what we could see in ''Cheers'', was a natural liar and at least somewhat emotionally manipulative. By the end of the series, not only does he have 3 very painful broken marriages/almost marriages under his belt, but a string of hostile rejections from multiple women in Seattle, and all of the various humiliations or setbacks that plague him at various points in the series. He brings some of them down on himself but it's no wonder he lies and panics so much in new relationships, considering all of the esteem shattering situations he's been through. All of this, by the way, while constantly listening to other people's problems and supporting his friends and family emotionally and (apparently) financially without so much as a thank you in return. It's a wonder he never went postal.

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** Frasier. He's often played for laughs as an UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist, but take a look at his life. He (and his brother, for the record), was horribly bullied throughout his childhood, had a father who disapproved of pretty much everything he was ever interested in, a mother who, from what we could see in ''Cheers'', ''Series/{{Cheers}}'', was a natural liar and at least somewhat emotionally manipulative. By the end of the series, not only does he have 3 very painful broken marriages/almost marriages under his belt, but a string of hostile rejections from multiple women in Seattle, and all of the various humiliations or setbacks that plague him at various points in the series. He brings some of them down on himself but it's no wonder he lies and panics so much in new relationships, considering all of the esteem shattering situations he's been through. All of this, by the way, while constantly listening to other people's problems and supporting his friends and family emotionally and (apparently) financially without so much as a thank you in return. It's a wonder he never went postal.
6th Oct '16 8:03:02 AM Demetrios
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* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: The ''Frasier'' characters are pretty okay with lawyers. It's ''talent agents'' they don't like (mostly Bebe).

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* AcceptableProfessionalTargets: A RunningGag in the series. The ''Frasier'' characters are pretty okay with lawyers. It's ''talent agents'' they don't like dislike talent agents (mostly Bebe).Bebe) for pretty much the same reasons other people would dislike [[EvilLawyerJoke lawyers]].
17th Sep '16 4:34:41 PM thecarolinabull01
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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more well-known to the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length and had better critical reception. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.

to:

* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more well-known to popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length and length, had better critical reception.reception and fared better at the Emmy's. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.
17th Sep '16 4:28:51 PM thecarolinabull01
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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Cheers'' is still more well-known to the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length and had better critical reception. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.
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