History YMMV / Frasier

10th Oct '17 4:23:09 PM GaryKing95
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** Kenny Daly. After an endless series of managers who are introduced with an episode devoted to how the station (and Frasier in particular) deals with this new personality running things, show up in a few episodes more, and then leave...Kenny shows up—and charmed viewers enough so that he stayed for the rest of the show.
30th Sep '17 4:11:46 PM PriceCheck
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* InformedWrongness: Niles in "Room Full of Heroes." While he was drunk and pretty passive-aggressive in his diatribe, it should be noted that nobody even thought to feel sorry for Niles feeling the way he did. After all, he was near tears giving that speech, and it isn't like Martin had never done anything to validate those feelings Niles had expressed.

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* InformedWrongness: Niles in "Room Full of Heroes." While he was drunk and pretty passive-aggressive in his diatribe, it should be noted that nobody even thought to feel sorry for Niles feeling the way he did. After all, he was near tears giving that speech, and it isn't like Martin had never done anything to validate those feelings Niles had expressed.
13th Sep '17 11:36:22 PM DrOO7
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Maris gets a little of this with the revelation that she was FormerlyFat. Suddenly, her obsession with staying thin and her terror of gaining weight makes perfect sense. The woman's probably been suffering from eating disorders and body dysmorphic disorder all her life. It's rather ironic that neither her husband or brother-in-law, ''psychiatrists'', never realized this.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: UnintentionallySympathetic: Maris gets a little of this with the revelation that she was FormerlyFat. Suddenly, her obsession with staying thin and her terror of gaining weight makes perfect sense. The woman's probably been suffering from eating disorders and body dysmorphic disorder all her life. It's rather ironic that neither her husband or brother-in-law, ''psychiatrists'', never realized this.
13th Sep '17 11:35:57 PM DrOO7
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Maris gets a little of this with the revelation that she was FormerlyFat. Suddenly, her obsession with staying thin and her terror of gaining weight makes perfect sense. The woman's probably been suffering from eating disorders and body dysmorphic disorder all her life. It's rather ironic that neither her husband or brother-in-law, ''psychiatrists'', never realized this.
20th Aug '17 6:13:35 PM Scabbard
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*** The first scene of Donny after Daphne and Niles get together, Frasier finds him sitting in the dark in his office, despondant and talking to the groom from his wedding cake, who he's named "Mr. Chump". He furthermore tells Frasier he doesn't hate Daphne for what happened, but he weakly jokes that as a (GREAT) lawyer, suing people is just his knee-jerk reaction to handling problems. While Frasier's confession of his hand in the events gets his riled up, the scene makes it clear that he was thrown into a HeroicBSOD by what happened and just doesn't know how to handle it.

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*** The first scene of Donny after Daphne and Niles get together, Frasier finds him sitting in the dark in his office, despondant despondent and talking to the groom from his wedding cake, who he's named "Mr. Chump". He furthermore tells Frasier he doesn't hate Daphne for what happened, but he weakly jokes that as a (GREAT) lawyer, suing people is just his knee-jerk reaction to handling problems. While Frasier's confession of his hand in the events gets his riled up, the scene makes it clear that he was thrown into a HeroicBSOD by what happened and just doesn't know how to handle it.



* WTHCastingAgency - Saul Rubinek-- older, schlubby, not particularly attractive --was an odd choice for Donny Douglas. The character was written to be nice and sweet, but Daphne had shown in the past the ability to draw younger and more desirable men, so it wasn't obvious why he in particular would have been able to win her over. Many fans wondered why they didn't choose a younger, handsomer actor, to make Donny's primary detractions his coarseness and lack of sophistication, to contrast more with Niles and to demonstrate what he might have that Niles might not.

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* WTHCastingAgency - WTHCastingAgency: Saul Rubinek-- Rubinek- older, schlubby, not particularly attractive --was an odd choice for Donny Douglas. The character was written to be nice and sweet, but Daphne had shown in the past the ability to draw younger and more desirable men, so it wasn't obvious why he in particular would have been able to win her over. Many fans wondered why they didn't choose a younger, handsomer actor, to make Donny's primary detractions his coarseness and lack of sophistication, to contrast more with Niles and to demonstrate what he might have that Niles might not.
5th Aug '17 11:47:44 PM Scabbard
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** David Angnell wrote one episode which involved someone leaving a message on Frasier's answering machine about arriving on American Airlines Flight 11. This was 4 years before hea nd his wife died as passengers on the same flight on September 11, 2001.

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** David Angnell wrote one episode which involved someone leaving a message on Frasier's answering machine about arriving on American Airlines Flight 11. This was 4 years before hea nd he and his wife died as passengers on the same flight on September 11, 2001.
29th Jul '17 3:51:46 PM lilithmercy
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** David Angnell wrote one episode which involved someone leaving a message on Frasier's answering machine about arriving on American Airlines Flight 11. This was 4 years before hea nd his wife died as passengers on the same flight on September 11, 2001.
18th Jun '17 6:01:33 PM mlsmithca
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Frasier can't tell his new producer-in-training Mary Thomas that he doesn't like how she works, [[WhiteMansBurden because she's black and he's afraid of looking racist.]] When he and Niles roleplay a confrontation, Frasier's portrayal of Mary as a SassyBlackWoman is so ridiculously offensive it's ''hilarious''.
-->'''Niles:''' ''(playing Frasier)'' Now, I want you to contribute, but only up to a point.
-->'''Frasier:''' ''(playing Mary)'' So you want me to stay in my place, ''Massa''?!
-->'''Niles:''' She's not going to say "massa".
-->'''Frasier:''' What, am I gettin' too uppity for you? You sherry swillin', opera lovin', Armani wearin' elitist? You have ''no idea'' how difficult it is for a ''black woman'' in a ''white man's world''!
-->'''Niles:''' Frasier--
-->'''Frasier:''' ''(practically snapping his fingers)'' I DON'T THINK SO!

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: CrossesTheLineTwice:
**
Frasier can't tell his new producer-in-training Mary Thomas that he doesn't like how she works, [[WhiteMansBurden because she's black and he's afraid of looking racist.]] When he and Niles roleplay a confrontation, Frasier's portrayal of Mary as a SassyBlackWoman is so ridiculously offensive it's ''hilarious''.
-->'''Niles:''' --->'''Niles:''' ''(playing Frasier)'' Now, I want you to contribute, but only up to a point.
-->'''Frasier:'''
point.\\
'''Frasier:'''
''(playing Mary)'' So you want me to stay in my place, ''Massa''?!
-->'''Niles:'''
''Massa''?!\\
'''Niles:'''
She's not going to say "massa".
-->'''Frasier:'''
"massa".\\
'''Frasier:'''
What, am I gettin' too uppity for you? You sherry swillin', opera lovin', Armani wearin' elitist? You have ''no idea'' how difficult it is for a ''black woman'' in a ''white man's world''!
-->'''Niles:''' Frasier--
-->'''Frasier:'''
world''!\\
'''Niles:''' Frasier--\\
'''Frasier:'''
''(practically snapping his fingers)'' I DON'T THINK SO!



* {{Earworm}}: The closing theme

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* {{Earworm}}: {{Earworm}}:
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The closing themetheme.



*** From Season 3, an in-universe example: "Flesh is burning, nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh." Daphne complains she'll have it in her head all day. The next scene, we see her singing it as she does chores, and then Martin comes out of the kitchen singing it.

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*** ** From Season 3, an in-universe example: "Flesh is burning, nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh." Daphne complains she'll have it in her head all day. The next scene, we see her singing it as she does chores, and then Martin comes out of the kitchen singing it.



** The plot where Frasier and Niles become convinced they're descended from the Romanovs is much funnier given [[WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}} another of Kelsey Grammar's roles]].

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** The plot where Frasier and Niles become convinced they're descended from the Romanovs is much funnier given [[WesternAnimation/{{Anastasia}} another of Kelsey Grammar's Grammer's roles]].



** The episode with Creator/PatrickStewart wouldn't be the last time Creator/KelseyGrammar would work [[Film/XMenTheLastStand with him]].

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** The episode with Creator/PatrickStewart wouldn't be the last time Creator/KelseyGrammar Creator/KelseyGrammer would work [[Film/XMenTheLastStand with him]].



*** Frasier's derisive comments toward X-Men comics and the negative effect he thought they'd have on his son's intellect in "The Show Must Go Off" also became much funnier when Grammar himself play Beast.
** The episode where Sam Malone shows up, Sam and Roz do a bit of flirting. Almost 2 decades later, Ted Danson and Peri Gilpin play husband and wife on ''[[Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation CSI]]''.

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*** Frasier's derisive comments toward X-Men comics and the negative effect he thought they'd have on his son's intellect in "The Show Must Go Off" also became much funnier when Grammar Grammer himself play played Beast.
** The episode where Sam Malone shows up, Sam and Roz do a bit of flirting. Almost 2 two decades later, Ted Danson and Peri Gilpin play husband and wife on ''[[Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation CSI]]''.



** In "Head Game" when Frasier asks Niles to fill in for him on his show, Niles makes a remark that "I couldn't presume to fill those big floppy red shoes of yours." This episode aired on the 12th of November 1996. On the 23rd of February 1997, the Simpsons episode "Brother from Another Series" aired in which Kelsey Grammar played Sideshow Bob and David Hyde Peirce portrayed Bob's brother Cecil (as a clear and hilarious reference to their roles on Frasier). A key focus of their relationship in the episode was Cecil's jealousy over Bob's success as a clown's assistant (which had actually been Cecil's dream) which included wearing big floppy red shoes (though, as a technical point, the shoes weren't actually that floppy on Bob due to his having been established as having unusually large feet).

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** In "Head Game" when Frasier asks Niles to fill in for him on his show, Niles makes a remark that "I couldn't presume to fill those big floppy red shoes of yours." This episode aired on the 12th of November 1996. On the 23rd of February 1997, the Simpsons episode "Brother from Another Series" aired in which Kelsey Grammar Grammer played Sideshow Bob and David Hyde Peirce portrayed Bob's brother Cecil (as a clear and hilarious reference to their roles on Frasier). A key focus of their relationship in the episode was Cecil's jealousy over Bob's success as a clown's assistant (which had actually been Cecil's dream) which included wearing big floppy red shoes (though, as a technical point, the shoes weren't actually that floppy on Bob due to his having been established as having unusually large feet).



* InformedWrongness:
** Niles in "Room Full of Heroes." While he was drunk and pretty passive-aggressive in his diatribe, it should be noted that nobody even thought to feel sorry for Niles feeling the way he did. After all, he was near tears giving that speech, and it isn't like Martin had never done anything to validate those feelings Niles had expressed.

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* InformedWrongness:
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InformedWrongness: Niles in "Room Full of Heroes." While he was drunk and pretty passive-aggressive in his diatribe, it should be noted that nobody even thought to feel sorry for Niles feeling the way he did. After all, he was near tears giving that speech, and it isn't like Martin had never done anything to validate those feelings Niles had expressed.



** Julia Wilcox, for not only having what viewers believed was a highly unpleasant and unoriginal personality, but because the show seemingly went out of its way to constantly confirm that she really was just a complete bitch with next to no redeeming aspects in every new appearance. The fact that she actually got into a relationship with Frasier at the end of Season 10 only added insult to injury, and was quickly undone by the new writing staff in Season 11.
*** Not only undone but the new writers went out of their way to savagely deconstruct her and Frasier's relationship till Frasier broke things off with her in one episode.

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** Julia Wilcox, for not only having what viewers believed was a highly unpleasant and unoriginal personality, but because the show seemingly went out of its way to constantly confirm that she really was just a complete bitch with next to no redeeming aspects in every new appearance. The fact that she actually got into a relationship with Frasier at the end of Season 10 only added insult to injury, and was quickly undone by the new writing staff in Season 11.
*** Not only undone but
11; indeed, the new writers went out of their way to savagely deconstruct her and Frasier's relationship till Frasier broke things off with her in one episode.



* StrawmanHasAPoint: In "Room Full of Heroes", Niles begins to say, in-character as Martin, that he and Frasier were disappointments to him. Martin sharply cuts him off and says he's portraying him as a "drunken judgmental jackass." While Niles was certainly over the line and had indeed had a few beers, considering how Martin treats the two of them and routinely expresses exasperation about their behavior, it's hard not to see why Niles would think this way (as an example, in “You Can't Tell a Crook by His Cover” when Frasier asked him if he believed in second chances Martin’s response was “I did, but then we had Niles.”).
** This [[FridgeBrilliance could be why Martin reacts so poorly]], at least partly; Niles's performance was clearly beginning to hit a bit close to home in other ways (such as his drinking habits) as well...

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: StrawmanHasAPoint:
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In "Room Full of Heroes", Niles begins to say, in-character as Martin, that he and Frasier were disappointments to him. Martin sharply cuts him off and says he's portraying him as a "drunken judgmental jackass." While Niles was certainly over the line and had indeed had a few beers, considering how Martin treats the two of them and routinely expresses exasperation about their behavior, it's hard not to see why Niles would think this way (as an example, in “You Can't Tell a Crook by His Cover” when Frasier asked him if he believed in second chances Martin’s response was “I did, but then we had Niles.”).
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”). This [[FridgeBrilliance could be why Martin reacts so poorly]], at least partly; Niles's performance was clearly beginning to hit a bit close to home in other ways (such as his drinking habits) as well...
21st May '17 8:46:01 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Frasier at one point has the bad idea of hosting his show on Christmas, treating himself to sad Christmas stories. One caller tells him about telling his father that the puppy Santa got him won't wake up - Frasier congratulates him for the saddest story.

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** Frasier at one point has the bad idea of hosting his show on Christmas, treating himself to sad Christmas stories. One caller tells him about telling his father that the puppy Santa [[SantaClaus Santa]] got him won't wake up - Frasier congratulates him for the saddest story.
10th Feb '17 12:17:14 AM C2
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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' is still more popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length, had better critical reception and fared better at the Emmy's. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.

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* MorePopularSpinoff: Zig-zagged. While ''Series/{{Cheers}}'' is still more popular among the general public, ''Frasier'' matched ''Cheers'' in length, had better critical reception and fared better at the Emmy's.Emmys. So More Acclaimed Spinoff sounds more appropriate.
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