History YMMV / FrankZappa

9th Jan '17 3:28:39 PM CassandraLeo
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*** It's worth noting, though, that while he (justifiably) dismissed the subculture as a trend that wouldn't last, as a lifelong libertarian he was sympathetic to a large number of their socio-political aims (though, to be clear, by no means all of them), and the attacks on ''Music/WereOnlyInItForTheMoney'' mostly ("Flower power sucks" in ''Music/AbsolutelyFree'' is the most obvious exception) aren't on the hippie subculture as a whole but on people who were only participating in it for the sex, drugs, and/or (in the case of performers) money without caring about its social aims. By far his biggest problem with the subculture seemed to be that, while it was ostensibly aimed at attacking conformity, it had quickly evolved into yet another form of conformity due to how many people were participating in it. That said, this didn't stop him from relentlessly attacking the more ridiculous trends associated with the subculture, such as their fashion.

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*** It's worth noting, though, that while he (justifiably) dismissed the subculture as a trend that wouldn't last, as a lifelong libertarian he was sympathetic to a large number of their socio-political aims (though, to be clear, by no means all of them), and the attacks on ''Music/WereOnlyInItForTheMoney'' mostly ("Flower power sucks" in ''Music/AbsolutelyFree'' "Absolutely Free" is the most obvious exception) aren't on the hippie subculture as a whole but on people who were only participating in it for the sex, drugs, and/or (in the case of performers) money without caring about its social aims. By far his biggest problem with the subculture seemed to be that, while it was ostensibly aimed at attacking conformity, it had quickly evolved into yet another form of conformity due to how many people were participating in it. That said, this didn't stop him from relentlessly attacking the more ridiculous trends associated with the subculture, such as their fashion.
9th Jan '17 3:27:55 PM CassandraLeo
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** "Willie the Pimp" (from ''Music/HotRats'')

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** "Peaches en Regalia", "Willie the Pimp" Pimp", and "Son of Mr. Green Genes" (from ''Music/HotRats'')



** Quite some lyrics or song titles in Zappa's oeuvre refer to STD's, which were a nuisance in the 1960s and 1970s, but back then all medically treatable. Since the arrival of AIDS in the 1980s references as such don't sit so well with modern day listeners. Especially considering Lucy Offerall, one of the groupies in ''Film/TwoHundredMotels'', died from it in 1991.

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** Quite some lyrics or song titles in Zappa's oeuvre refer to STD's, which were a nuisance in the 1960s and 1970s, but back then all medically treatable. Since the arrival of AIDS in the 1980s 1980s, references as such don't sit so well with modern day listeners. Especially considering Lucy Offerall, one of the groupies in ''Film/TwoHundredMotels'', died from it in 1991.



*** It's worth noting, though, that while he (justifiably) dismissed the subculture as a trend that wouldn't last, as a lifelong libertarian he was sympathetic to a large number of their socio-political aims, and the attacks on ''Music/WereOnlyInItForTheMoney'' mostly ("Flower power sucks" in ''Music/AbsolutelyFree'' is the most obvious exception) aren't on the hippie subculture as a whole but on people who were only participating in it for the sex, drugs, and/or (in the case of performers) money without caring about its social aims. By far his biggest problem with the subculture seemed to be that, while it was ostensibly aimed at attacking conformity, it had quickly evolved into yet another form of conformity due to how many people were participating in it. That said, this didn't stop him from relentlessly attacking the more ridiculous trends associated with the subculture, such as their fashion.
** {{Valley Girl}}s even though his song "Valley Girl" from ''Music/ShipArrivingTooLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' was really a TakeThat from Moon Unit Zappa at the Valley Girls at her school.
* NotSoCrazyAnymore: An almost immediate example: When ''Music/WereOnlyInItForTheMoney'' came out a lot of people thought he was crazy because of all the references to cops shooting hippies. Slightly under three years later, the Kent State shootings happened. They were National Guardsmen rather than police, but other than that it occurred almost exactly as he predicted. The proximity of the events has also led to several cases of [[ArtisticLicenseHistory You Fail Rock History Forever]] as people have claimed that the songs on the album were ''inspired'' by the Kent State shootings.

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*** It's worth noting, though, that while he (justifiably) dismissed the subculture as a trend that wouldn't last, as a lifelong libertarian he was sympathetic to a large number of their socio-political aims, aims (though, to be clear, by no means all of them), and the attacks on ''Music/WereOnlyInItForTheMoney'' mostly ("Flower power sucks" in ''Music/AbsolutelyFree'' is the most obvious exception) aren't on the hippie subculture as a whole but on people who were only participating in it for the sex, drugs, and/or (in the case of performers) money without caring about its social aims. By far his biggest problem with the subculture seemed to be that, while it was ostensibly aimed at attacking conformity, it had quickly evolved into yet another form of conformity due to how many people were participating in it. That said, this didn't stop him from relentlessly attacking the more ridiculous trends associated with the subculture, such as their fashion.
** {{Valley Girl}}s Girl}}s, even though his song "Valley Girl" from ''Music/ShipArrivingTooLateToSaveADrowningWitch'' was really a TakeThat from Moon Unit Zappa at the Valley Girls at her school.
* NotSoCrazyAnymore: An almost immediate example: When ''Music/WereOnlyInItForTheMoney'' came out a lot of people thought he was crazy because of all the references to cops shooting hippies. This was intended to be somewhat over-the-top, but it was a nod to contemporary police brutality and was intended to reflect what could happen if things got worse. Slightly under three years later, they did; the Kent State shootings happened. They were National Guardsmen rather than police, but other than that it occurred almost exactly as he predicted. The proximity of the events has also led to several cases of [[ArtisticLicenseHistory You Fail Rock History Forever]] as people have claimed that the songs on the album were ''inspired'' by the Kent State shootings.



* TearJerker: Zappa was reportedly quite skeptical about making music that served as this trope, though he has made music that is moving beyond tears: "Watermelon In Easter Hay" (an instrumental from ''Music/JoesGarage''), "Mom and Dad", "The Idiot Bastard Son" (from ''Music/WereOnlyInItForTheMoney''), "Oh No" (''Music/WeaselsRippedMyFlesh'', though the ''Music/RoxyAndElsewhere'' version is equally moving), "Inca Roads" (''Music/OneSizeFitsAll''), "Black Napkins" (''Music/ZootAllures''), "Strictly Genteel" (''Film/TwoHundredMotels''),...

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* TearJerker: Zappa was reportedly quite skeptical about making music that served as this trope, though he has made music that is moving beyond tears: "Watermelon In in Easter Hay" (an instrumental from ''Music/JoesGarage''), "Mom and Dad", "The Idiot Bastard Son" (from ''Music/WereOnlyInItForTheMoney''), "Oh No" (''Music/WeaselsRippedMyFlesh'', though the ''Music/RoxyAndElsewhere'' version is equally moving), "Inca Roads" (''Music/OneSizeFitsAll''), "Black Napkins" (''Music/ZootAllures''), "Strictly Genteel" (''Film/TwoHundredMotels''),...



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Zappa's [[ConceptAlbum Concept Albums]] and RockOperas tended to be plotted much like a comedy routine  in which stories and anecdotes tangentially flow from one into the next  rather than having a completed story behind it. One example: ''Music/JoesGarage'', a story about a man arrested for performing rock music on the eve of music getting banned from society, spends a lot of time in the middle on wild sexual adventures. The album dedicates three songs to his ex-girlfriend, who becomes a mindless sex slave after performing sexual favours for another band for over a year. The final third of ''Joe's Garage'' requires the liner notes to make sense of what is actually happening, as the libretto gives way to lengthy guitar solos.
** ''Music/ThingFish'' goes from a grave piece of HighConcept toliterally devolving into a massive orgy by album's end.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Zappa's [[ConceptAlbum Concept Albums]] {{Concept Album}}s and RockOperas {{Rock Opera}}s tended to be plotted much like a comedy routine  in in which stories and anecdotes tangentially flow from one into the next  rather rather than having a completed story behind it. One example: ''Music/JoesGarage'', a story about a man arrested for performing rock music on the eve of music getting banned from society, spends a lot of time in the middle on wild sexual adventures. The album dedicates three songs to his ex-girlfriend, who becomes a mindless sex slave after performing sexual favours for another band for over a year. The final third of ''Joe's Garage'' requires the liner notes to make sense of what is actually happening, as the libretto gives way to lengthy guitar solos.
** ''Music/ThingFish'' goes from a grave piece of HighConcept toliterally to literally devolving into a massive orgy by album's end.
9th Jan '17 3:16:48 PM CassandraLeo
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* BigNameFan: Music/JohnLennon, Music/PaulMcCartney, Music/DavidBowie, Creator/SalmanRushdie, Creator/MattGroening, Czech president Vaclav Havél, Music/HenryRollins, Music/AliceCooper, UsefulNotes/AlGore, Creator/GermaineGreer, Music/TheMarsVolta, Music/RedHotChiliPeppers, Music/GeorgeClinton, [[Creator/KlaskyCsupo Gabor Csupo]]...

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* BigNameFan: Music/JohnLennon, Music/PaulMcCartney, Music/DavidBowie, Creator/SalmanRushdie, Creator/MattGroening, Czech president Vaclav Havél, Music/HenryRollins, Music/AliceCooper, UsefulNotes/AlGore, Creator/GermaineGreer, Music/TheMarsVolta, Music/RedHotChiliPeppers, Music/GeorgeClinton, [[Creator/KlaskyCsupo Gabor Csupo]]...Csupo]], Music/SystemOfADown, Music/DreamTheater's Mike Portnoy...
9th Jan '17 3:16:06 PM CassandraLeo
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* TrueArtIsAngsty: Mostly [[AvertedTrope averted]]; he frequently derided this and stuck to comedy. However, played straight with some of his more fervent protest songs, like "Heavenly Bank Account."

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* TrueArtIsAngsty: Mostly [[AvertedTrope averted]]; he frequently derided this and stuck to comedy. However, played straight with some of his more fervent protest songs, like "Heavenly Bank Account."" ''Music/CivilizationPhazeIII'' also has elements of this, as he composed it when he knew he had a terminal illness, and it reflects his impending death.



* ValuesResonance: On the other hand, many of his protest songs are more applicable now than they were when they were written.

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* ValuesResonance: On the other hand, many of his protest songs are more applicable now than they were when they were written.written ("Trouble Every Day" is a particularly good example).
9th Jan '17 3:13:33 PM CassandraLeo
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** In the context of his life/career, most of his last album, ''Music/CivilizationPhazeIII'', is this, but nothing more so than the final track, "Waffenspiel" (German for "Gun Play"). Most of it consists of rain and gun sound effects and a barking dog. It has an eerie, tragic finality to it, as though nothing but silence will follow. Given that the album was released posthumously, it is heartbreaking in context.

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** In the context of his life/career, most of his last album, ''Music/CivilizationPhazeIII'', is this, but nothing more so than the final track, "Waffenspiel" (German for "Gun Play"). Most of it consists of rain and gun sound effects and a barking dog. It has an eerie, tragic finality to it, as though nothing but silence will follow. Given that the album was released posthumously, it is heartbreaking in context. Zappa's widow Gail also revealed later that Frank said of his work on the album, "I've done everything that I can", which can add further to the tragedy of the album.
25th Dec '16 2:45:10 PM SinNanna
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* CultClassic: One of the great cult figures in American music. He never attained the level of mainstream success as some of his rockstar contemporaries, but his fanbase is huge and incredibly devoted to this very day.

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* CultClassic: One of the great cult figures in American music. He never attained the same level of mainstream success as some of his rockstar contemporaries, but his fanbase is huge and incredibly devoted to this very day.day, and his influence on rock and experimental music can't be overstated.
25th Dec '16 2:43:30 PM SinNanna
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* CultClassic: One of the great cult figures in American music. He never attained the level of mainstream success as some of his rockstar contemporaries, but his fanbase is huge and incredibly devoted to this very day.
16th Dec '16 1:49:09 AM CassandraLeo
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** In light of the allegations against UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" is extremely uncomfortable to listen to. (It was supposed to be uncomfortable anyway, but may be even more so now for many listeners. For those unfamiliar with the context, Trump has been accused of, amongst other things, raping a thirteen-year-old girl and of inappropriate conduct towards his daughter. The subject of the song lusts after a thirteen-year-old girl and has strong IncestSubtext with his daughter.)

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** In light of the allegations against UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" is extremely uncomfortable to listen to. (It was supposed to be uncomfortable anyway, but may be even more so now for many listeners. For those unfamiliar with the context, Trump has been accused of, amongst other things, raping a thirteen-year-old girl and of inappropriate conduct towards his daughter. The subject of the song is a politician who lusts after a thirteen-year-old girl and has strong IncestSubtext with his daughter.)
16th Dec '16 1:48:45 AM CassandraLeo
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** In light of the allegations against UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" is extremely uncomfortable to listen to. (It was supposed to be uncomfortable anyway, but may be even more so now for many listeners.)

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** In light of the allegations against UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" is extremely uncomfortable to listen to. (It was supposed to be uncomfortable anyway, but may be even more so now for many listeners. For those unfamiliar with the context, Trump has been accused of, amongst other things, raping a thirteen-year-old girl and of inappropriate conduct towards his daughter. The subject of the song lusts after a thirteen-year-old girl and has strong IncestSubtext with his daughter.)
16th Dec '16 1:44:56 AM CassandraLeo
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** In light of the allegations against UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" is extremely uncomfortable to listen to.

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** In light of the allegations against UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" is extremely uncomfortable to listen to. (It was supposed to be uncomfortable anyway, but may be even more so now for many listeners.)
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