History YMMV / FinalFantasyTactics

9th Feb '18 9:32:02 AM ACW
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** [[AmbitionIsEvil Dycedarg Beoulve]] is a ruthless schemer obsessed with achieving more power for himself. The elder brother of the hero Ramza, Dycedarg slowly [[{{Patricide}} poisons their own father]] over the course of years to kill him and take control of the noble family. To gather even more power, Dycedarg helps plunge Ivalice into a brutal civil war against Duke Goltanna. Dycedarg proceeds to backstab and murder his partner before allying with the demonic Lucavi, even [CainAndAbel murdering his brother Zalbaag]]. Unlike most of the Lucavi, Dycedarg seems to be a willing host to his demon, and while he may claim to have good intentions, he is merely a {{hypocrite}} willing to [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist resort to any means to obtain the power he craves]].

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** [[AmbitionIsEvil Dycedarg Beoulve]] is a ruthless schemer obsessed with achieving more power for himself. The elder brother of the hero Ramza, Dycedarg slowly [[{{Patricide}} poisons their own father]] over the course of years to kill him and take control of the noble family. To gather even more power, Dycedarg helps plunge Ivalice into a brutal civil war against Duke Goltanna. Dycedarg proceeds to backstab and murder his partner before allying with the demonic Lucavi, even [CainAndAbel [[CainAndAbel murdering his brother Zalbaag]]. Unlike most of the Lucavi, Dycedarg seems to be a willing host to his demon, and while he may claim to have good intentions, he is merely a {{hypocrite}} willing to [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist resort to any means to obtain the power he craves]].
9th Feb '18 9:31:44 AM ACW
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** [[TheHeavy Hashmal(um)]] is second only to Ultima/Altima in the Lucavi and is the [DemonicPossession demon possessing Folmarv Tengille]]. The [[TheChessmaster mastermind of nearly every misfortune in the game]], Hashmal manipulates the massive war that claims countless lives so he can manipulate the resurrection of Altima. Upon confronting Ramza, who had learned that the Ultimate Church was corrupt, Hashmal massacred all present, including his host's own son. Tricking others into being possessed by the Lucavi and broadening the monstrous conflict, Hashmal kidnaps Ramza's sister Alma to use her as the host of Altima, only caring about creating more death and destruction to revive Altima and unleash her upon the unsuspecting world.

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** [[TheHeavy Hashmal(um)]] is second only to Ultima/Altima in the Lucavi and is the [DemonicPossession [[DemonicPossession demon possessing Folmarv Tengille]]. The [[TheChessmaster mastermind of nearly every misfortune in the game]], Hashmal manipulates the massive war that claims countless lives so he can manipulate the resurrection of Altima. Upon confronting Ramza, who had learned that the Ultimate Church was corrupt, Hashmal massacred all present, including his host's own son. Tricking others into being possessed by the Lucavi and broadening the monstrous conflict, Hashmal kidnaps Ramza's sister Alma to use her as the host of Altima, only caring about creating more death and destruction to revive Altima and unleash her upon the unsuspecting world.
9th Feb '18 9:31:34 AM ACW
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** [[TheHeavy Hashmal(um) is second only to Ultima/Altima in the Lucavi and is the [DemonicPossession demon possessing Folmarv Tengille]]. The [[TheChessmaster mastermind of nearly every misfortune in the game]], Hashmal manipulates the massive war that claims countless lives so he can manipulate the resurrection of Altima. Upon confronting Ramza, who had learned that the Ultimate Church was corrupt, Hashmal massacred all present, including his host's own son. Tricking others into being possessed by the Lucavi and broadening the monstrous conflict, Hashmal kidnaps Ramza's sister Alma to use her as the host of Altima, only caring about creating more death and destruction to revive Altima and unleash her upon the unsuspecting world.

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** [[TheHeavy Hashmal(um) Hashmal(um)]] is second only to Ultima/Altima in the Lucavi and is the [DemonicPossession demon possessing Folmarv Tengille]]. The [[TheChessmaster mastermind of nearly every misfortune in the game]], Hashmal manipulates the massive war that claims countless lives so he can manipulate the resurrection of Altima. Upon confronting Ramza, who had learned that the Ultimate Church was corrupt, Hashmal massacred all present, including his host's own son. Tricking others into being possessed by the Lucavi and broadening the monstrous conflict, Hashmal kidnaps Ramza's sister Alma to use her as the host of Altima, only caring about creating more death and destruction to revive Altima and unleash her upon the unsuspecting world.
9th Feb '18 9:31:18 AM ACW
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** [[TheDragon Folmarv Tengille]], or more specifically Hashmal(um), the demon possessing him, [[TheChessmaster is responsible for all of the bloodshed in the conflict]], just to revive the fallen Ultima. He is an [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] who [[OffingTheOffspring murdered his own son]], massacred an entire castle, and kidnapped [[DistressedDamsel Alma]] so that he could use her as a host body for Ultima. He then decides to resurrect the recently deceased Zalbaag and [[TragicMonster force him]] to [[ICannotSelfTerminate fight]] Ramza.
** [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Dycedarg Beoulve]] initially appears to be just another ruthless, power-hungry {{aristocrat|s Are Evil}}, but turns out to be one the most evil characters in the game. He [[{{Patricide}} murdered his own father for power]] and, along with his childhood friend, Duke Bestrald Larg, plunged Ivalice into civil war against Duke Goltanna. Then he [[EtTuBrute backstabs and murders Larg as well]], and when his brothers Zalbaag and Ramza call him out on his actions, he has the audacity to be offended. When he merged with Adrammelech, he murdered Zalbaag as well. It's also implied that Dycedarg is not possessed by the Lucavi but actively ''working with him''; unlike Wiegraf/Belias, Adrammelech's personality is nigh-identical to that of Dycedarg.

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** [[TheDragon Folmarv Tengille]], or more specifically Hashmal(um), [[TheHeavy Hashmal(um) is second only to Ultima/Altima in the Lucavi and is the [DemonicPossession demon possessing him, Folmarv Tengille]]. The [[TheChessmaster is responsible for all mastermind of the bloodshed nearly every misfortune in the conflict]], just to revive game]], Hashmal manipulates the fallen Ultima. He is an [[AbusiveParents abusive father]] massive war that claims countless lives so he can manipulate the resurrection of Altima. Upon confronting Ramza, who [[OffingTheOffspring murdered his own son]], had learned that the Ultimate Church was corrupt, Hashmal massacred an entire castle, all present, including his host's own son. Tricking others into being possessed by the Lucavi and kidnapped [[DistressedDamsel Alma]] so that he could broadening the monstrous conflict, Hashmal kidnaps Ramza's sister Alma to use her as a the host body for Ultima. He then decides of Altima, only caring about creating more death and destruction to resurrect revive Altima and unleash her upon the recently deceased Zalbaag and [[TragicMonster force him]] to [[ICannotSelfTerminate fight]] Ramza.
unsuspecting world.
** [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething [[AmbitionIsEvil Dycedarg Beoulve]] initially appears to be just another ruthless, power-hungry {{aristocrat|s Are Evil}}, but turns out to be one is a ruthless schemer obsessed with achieving more power for himself. The elder brother of the most evil characters in the game. He hero Ramza, Dycedarg slowly [[{{Patricide}} murdered his poisons their own father for power]] and, along with his childhood friend, Duke Bestrald Larg, plunged father]] over the course of years to kill him and take control of the noble family. To gather even more power, Dycedarg helps plunge Ivalice into a brutal civil war against Duke Goltanna. Then he [[EtTuBrute backstabs and murders Larg as well]], and when his brothers Zalbaag and Ramza call him out on his actions, he has the audacity to be offended. When he merged with Adrammelech, he murdered Zalbaag as well. It's also implied that Dycedarg is not possessed by the Lucavi but actively ''working proceeds to backstab and murder his partner before allying with him''; unlike Wiegraf/Belias, Adrammelech's personality the demonic Lucavi, even [CainAndAbel murdering his brother Zalbaag]]. Unlike most of the Lucavi, Dycedarg seems to be a willing host to his demon, and while he may claim to have good intentions, he is nigh-identical merely a {{hypocrite}} willing to that of Dycedarg.[[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist resort to any means to obtain the power he craves]].
29th Jan '18 2:09:52 PM Seth_Phoenix2000
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* TheScrappy: Argath. He seems decent enough when you first rescue him, but goes on about just what he thinks of commoners. Eventually, there's a situation where Delita's sister is taken hostage and Argath resolves it by [[ShootTheHostage killing her]]. Ramza and Delita kill him, but this wasn't all that was wrong with him. In addition to all of that, he suffered greatly from ArtificialStupidity as a guest party member. If you had a strategy for dealing with enemies, it won't help you with him around because he rushes head first into danger, [[Hypocrite in spite of chastising Delita for making light of combat]]. Argath's only redeeming trait is that you get to kill him.

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* TheScrappy: Argath. He seems decent enough when you first rescue him, but goes on about just what he thinks of commoners. Eventually, there's a situation where Delita's sister is taken hostage and Argath resolves it by [[ShootTheHostage killing her]]. Ramza and Delita kill him, but this wasn't all that was wrong with him. In addition to all of that, he suffered greatly from ArtificialStupidity as a guest party member. If you had a strategy for dealing with enemies, it won't help you with him around because he rushes head first into danger, [[Hypocrite in spite of chastising Delita for making light of combat]].combat]] and you have to keep him alive or you get a game over. Argath's only redeeming trait is that you get to kill him.
29th Jan '18 2:07:40 PM Seth_Phoenix2000
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* TheScrappy: Argath. He seems decent enough when you first rescue him, but goes on about just what he thinks of commoners. Eventually, there's a situation where Delita's sister is taken hostage and Argath resolves it by [[ShootTheHostage killing her]]. Ramza and Delita kill him, but this wasn't all that was wrong with him. In addition to all of that, he suffered greatly from ArtifialStupidity as a guest party member. If you had a strategy for dealing with enemies, it won't help you with him around because he rushes head first into danger, [[Hypocrite in spite of chastising Delita for making light of combat]]. Argath's only redeeming trait is that you get to kill him.

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* TheScrappy: Argath. He seems decent enough when you first rescue him, but goes on about just what he thinks of commoners. Eventually, there's a situation where Delita's sister is taken hostage and Argath resolves it by [[ShootTheHostage killing her]]. Ramza and Delita kill him, but this wasn't all that was wrong with him. In addition to all of that, he suffered greatly from ArtifialStupidity ArtificialStupidity as a guest party member. If you had a strategy for dealing with enemies, it won't help you with him around because he rushes head first into danger, [[Hypocrite in spite of chastising Delita for making light of combat]]. Argath's only redeeming trait is that you get to kill him.
29th Jan '18 2:07:08 PM Seth_Phoenix2000
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* TheScrappy: Argath. He seems decent enough when you first rescue him, but goes on about just what he thinks of commoners. Eventually, there's a situation where Delita's sister is taken hostage and Argath resolves it by [[ShootTheHostage killing her]]. Ramza and Delita kill him, but this wasn't all that was wrong with him. In addition to all of that, he suffered greatly from ArtifialStupidity as a guest party member. If you had a strategy for dealing with enemies, it won't help you with him around because he rushes head first into danger, [[Hypocrite in spite of chastising Delita for making light of combat]]. Argath's only redeeming trait is that you get to kill him.
5th Jan '18 10:37:06 AM rixion
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* ScrappyMechanic:
** Rapha and Marach's innate skill would assign them a random number of hits to random squares within the 5-square-cross targeting zone you give them. The RandomNumberGod being the JerkAss he is, actually ''hitting'' anything with this ability is less likely than winning the lottery. As a result, the Hydra monster class is better at their jobs than they are, both because it's easier to restrict their targetting area because their equivalent skills have no vertical tolerance while Rapha and Marach have the default 3, and because the monster's skill has higher minimum and maximum hitcounts than theirs.
** The fact that support spells can miss is near-universally disliked. Especially since their accuracy can be less than an offensive spell, which doesn't make a lot of sense unless characters are trying to dodge Haste. It does, however, make some sense as a spell's effectiveness [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve is based on the target's Faith stat]].

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* ScrappyMechanic:
** Rapha and Marach's innate skill would assign them a random number of hits to random squares within the 5-square-cross targeting zone you give them. The RandomNumberGod being the JerkAss he is, actually ''hitting'' anything with this ability is less likely than winning the lottery. As a result, the Hydra monster class is better at their jobs than they are, both because it's easier to restrict their targetting area because their equivalent skills have no vertical tolerance while Rapha and Marach have the default 3, and because the monster's skill has higher minimum and maximum hitcounts than theirs.
** The fact that support spells can miss is near-universally disliked. Especially since their accuracy can be less than an offensive spell, which doesn't make a lot of sense unless characters are trying to dodge Haste. It does, however, make some sense as a spell's effectiveness [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve is based on the target's Faith stat]].
ScrappyMechanic: [[ScrappyMechanic/FinalFantasy Here.]]
5th Jan '18 5:11:45 AM Windrays
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** On a more gameplay related example, dismissing people from your party often has this effect, as the game makes you feel really terribly about dismissing them: almost all of the humans ask you to reconsider, but the monster friends' reactions are even worse. The worst part is that, if you have ONE monster, it'll start to spawn eggs, meaning that you'll ''have to'' give the hatchlings the pink slip if you want to have room in your party. Whoever wrote the dismissal dialogue is kind of an asshole:
-->"It seems excited. It might think you were going to give it a treat."
-->"It's confused about you telling it to go home, mostly because it doesn't have a home to go to."
-->"It's looking at you with sad eyes."
30th Nov '17 6:30:03 AM FeignedHeron
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** Speaking of Folmarv, he ''might'' have crossed it when he [[spoiler: murdered his son Isilud and massacred an entire castle]], but if not then, he most ''definitely'' did when he [[spoiler: raised Zalbaag as a zombie and forced him to fight his younger brother Ramza]].

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** Speaking of Folmarv, Hashmal, he ''might'' have crossed it when he [[spoiler: murdered his son Isilud and massacred an entire castle]], but if not then, he most ''definitely'' did when he [[spoiler: raised Zalbaag as a zombie and forced him to fight his younger brother Ramza]].
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