History YMMV / FinalFantasyIV

22nd Mar '18 10:52:33 AM MrDeath
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** In the original game, Palom can learn the ridiculously powerful spell Quake at Level 23. With a little grinding, you can find out it doesn't work on the Earth Fiend. Of course, it may have been more of a deliberate EasterEgg.
16th Mar '18 11:37:59 AM Spektrowski
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* InMyLanguageThatSoundsLike: The name Eblan is a mildly offensive word in Russian.
12th Mar '18 2:00:08 AM X2X
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** Edward. Either he's loathed for his weakness in battle coupled with his angsty attitude or he's liked for his spooniness and joining the characters despite being far from a warrior. The re-releases have boosted Edward's popularity by making him and his abilities much more useful [[TookALevelInBadass to say nothing of the sequel]].

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** Edward. Either he's loathed for his weakness in battle coupled with his angsty attitude or he's liked for his spooniness and joining the characters despite being far from a warrior. The re-releases have boosted Edward's popularity by making him and his abilities much more useful useful, [[TookALevelInBadass to say nothing of the sequel]].



* DesignatedVillain: Well, designated Anti-Hero at least. A major plot point of the game, and one of the most well-known things about it is Cecil giving up his dark past and repenting to become a Paladin. Except that he never seems at all dark or evil to the player. His only intentional evil act is at the beginning of the game taking a crystal by conquest, and his abhorrence of this act is what kicks off the plot. He's in a relationship with a White Wizard, and never seems to manifest any destructive thoughts or emotions before becoming a Paladin. The Heel part of his HeelFaceTurn arc all happens off-screen prior to the actual game, which makes his repentance somewhat less dramatic.

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* DesignatedVillain: Well, designated Anti-Hero Designated AntiHero at least. A major plot point of the game, and one of the most well-known things about it is Cecil giving up his dark past and repenting to become a Paladin. [[PunchClockVillain Except that he never seems at all dark or evil to the player. player.]] His only intentional evil act is at the beginning of the game taking (taking a crystal Crystal by conquest, conquest), and his abhorrence of this act is what kicks off the plot. He's in a relationship with a White Wizard, and never seems to manifest any destructive thoughts or emotions before becoming a Paladin. The Heel "Heel" part of his HeelFaceTurn arc all happens off-screen prior to the actual game, which makes his repentance somewhat less dramatic.



** In the original game, Palom can learn the ridiculously powerful spell Quake at Level 23. With a little grinding, you can find out it doesn't work on the Earth Fiend. Of course, it may have been more of a deliberate EasterEgg.



* HypeBacklash: In the 2000s era of the ''Final Fantasy'' franchise, this one is the most heavily exposed of the Nintendo-era main series, and Cecil and Kain are up-there with the likes of Cloud and Lightning as some of the most promoted characters for spin-offs. However, as mentioned SeinfeldIsUnfunny has kicked in hard for the game, causing some detractors to question if it really deserves so much attention when ''Final Fantasy V'' and ''Final Fantasy VI'' are just as notable and beloved if not moreso.

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* HypeBacklash: In the 2000s era of the ''Final Fantasy'' franchise, this one is the most heavily exposed of the Nintendo-era main series, and Cecil and Kain are up-there up there with the likes of Cloud [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud]] and Lightning [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Lightning]] as some of the most promoted characters for spin-offs. However, as mentioned SeinfeldIsUnfunny has kicked in hard for the game, causing some detractors to question if it really deserves so much attention when ''Final Fantasy V'' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'' and ''Final Fantasy VI'' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'' are just as notable and beloved if not moreso.more so.



* JunkRare: Outside of very limited situations noted above, the Goblin/Imp summon is basically useless, and it has the same drop rate as things like extra ribbons or the other hidden summons. The only reason it shows up more frequently is because goblins are common foes in several areas. The [=FireBomb=] in the American SNES version as well - not a terribly common drop, from an enemy that only shows up as an uncommon encounter late in the game, and its problems are noted below under UselessItem.

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* JunkRare: Outside of very limited situations noted above, the Goblin/Imp summon is basically useless, and it has the same drop rate as things like extra ribbons or the other hidden summons. The only reason it shows up more frequently is because goblins are common foes in several areas. The [=FireBomb=] in the American SNES version as well - -- not a terribly common drop, from an enemy that only shows up as an uncommon encounter late in the game, and its problems are noted below under UselessItem.



** Rosa can't live down [[DistressedDamsel getting sick and kidnapped]] and is often accused of having no trait other than being in love with Cecil... even though she is just as vocal about the troubles in Baron and how to deal with the situation as the others when she's in the party, if one cares to pay attention to her actual dialogue.

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*** This even went meta come ''[[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy Dissidia 012]]'': [[spoiler:his plot arc sets up Kain as a traitor to the Warriors of Cosmos early on, only to go against the player's expectations and [[WhatYouAreInTheDark show how hard Kain has been working from the shadows to aid and protect his allies]]. Even his "betrayals" were done to save most of the original ''Dissidia''[='s=] heroes from a FateWorseThanDeath.]]
** Rosa can't live down [[DistressedDamsel [[DamselInDistress getting sick and kidnapped]] and is often accused of having no trait other than being in love with Cecil... even though she is just as vocal about the troubles in Baron and how to deal with the situation as the others when she's in the party, if one cares to pay attention to her actual dialogue.



*** Yang also manages to avoid this in the GBA version and later games - due to his massive strength score and his elemental claws, he's easily as useful as Edge.

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*** Yang also manages to avoid this in the GBA version and later games - -- due to his massive strength score and his elemental claws, he's easily as useful as Edge.



* WritersCannotDoMaths / [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale Fantasy Writers Have No Sense of Scale]]: The guidebook ''[[http://www.sceneryrecalled.com/trans/ff4comp.htm Settei Shiryou Hen]]'', released alongside the SFC game in Japan, gives a lot of AllThereInTheManual information about the world of ''FFIV''[[note]](much of which hasn't been acknowledged since in the sequel and various remakes of the game, making it [[RetCon dubiously canonical]])[[/note]], including the population and area of each of the game's nations. All of these numbers seem unusually ''small'', such as Fabul having a population of ''300 people'' and the entire planet having ''less surface area than Kansas''. See the editor's notes in the previous link for snarky commentary on these and other discrepancies.

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* WritersCannotDoMaths / [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale WritersCannotDoMath[=/=][[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale Fantasy Writers Have No Sense of Scale]]: The guidebook ''[[http://www.sceneryrecalled.com/trans/ff4comp.htm Settei Shiryou Hen]]'', released alongside the SFC game in Japan, gives a lot of AllThereInTheManual information about the world of ''FFIV''[[note]](much of which hasn't been acknowledged since in the sequel and various remakes of the game, making it [[RetCon [[{{Retcon}} dubiously canonical]])[[/note]], including the population and area of each of the game's nations. All of these numbers seem unusually ''small'', such as Fabul having a population of ''300 people'' and the entire planet having ''less surface area than Kansas''. See the editor's notes in the previous link for snarky commentary on these and other discrepancies.
15th Feb '18 9:49:18 AM lluewhyn
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* DesignatedVillain: Well, designated Anti-Hero at least. A major plot point of the game, and one of the most well-known things about it is Cecil giving up his dark past and repenting to become a Paladin. Except that he never seems at all dark or evil to the player. His only intentional evil act is at the beginning of the game taking a crystal by conquest, and his abhorrence of this act is what kicks off the plot. He's in a relationship with a White Wizard, and never seems to manifest any destructive thoughts or emotions before becoming a Paladin. The Heel part of his HeelFace arc all happens off-screen prior to the actual game, which makes his repentance somewhat less dramatic.

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* DesignatedVillain: Well, designated Anti-Hero at least. A major plot point of the game, and one of the most well-known things about it is Cecil giving up his dark past and repenting to become a Paladin. Except that he never seems at all dark or evil to the player. His only intentional evil act is at the beginning of the game taking a crystal by conquest, and his abhorrence of this act is what kicks off the plot. He's in a relationship with a White Wizard, and never seems to manifest any destructive thoughts or emotions before becoming a Paladin. The Heel part of his HeelFace HeelFaceTurn arc all happens off-screen prior to the actual game, which makes his repentance somewhat less dramatic.
15th Feb '18 9:48:45 AM lluewhyn
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* DesignatedVillain: Well, designated Anti-Hero at least. A major plot point of the game, and one of the most well-known things about it is Cecil giving up his dark past and repenting to become a Paladin. Except that he never seems at all dark or evil to the player. His only intentional evil act is at the beginning of the game taking a crystal by conquest, and his abhorrence of this act is what kicks off the plot. He's in a relationship with a White Wizard, and never seems to manifest any destructive thoughts or emotions before becoming a Paladin. The Heel part of his HeelFace arc all happens off-screen prior to the actual game, which makes his repentance somewhat less dramatic.
3rd Feb '18 9:01:33 PM nombretomado
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** On the one hand, the original Super NES release gave us "You spoony bard!" (which [[TropeNamers spawned]] [[QuirkyBard its own trope here]] [[RenamedTropes for a time]]). On the other hand, when Tellah uses Meteor against Golbez, his reaction is the entirely out-of-character "[[TotallyRadical No way]]!"

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** On the one hand, the original Super NES release gave us "You spoony bard!" (which [[TropeNamers spawned]] [[QuirkyBard its own trope here]] [[RenamedTropes [[Administrivia/FormerTropeNamer for a time]]). On the other hand, when Tellah uses Meteor against Golbez, his reaction is the entirely out-of-character "[[TotallyRadical No way]]!"
3rd Feb '18 5:20:25 AM CynicalBastardo
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*** Palom and Porom actually subvert this; even in the base game they're quite powerful together, and Palom (in versions where his being high level is relevant) is actually superior at casting BlackMagic to Rydia, having higher Intellect and Bluff to boost it further, along with learning spells faster, though he lacks the better Summons.

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*** Palom and Porom actually subvert this; even in the base game they're quite powerful together, and Palom (in versions where his being high level is relevant) is actually superior at casting BlackMagic to Rydia, having higher Intellect and Bluff to boost it further, along with learning spells faster, faster and being less [[SquishyWizard squishy]], though he lacks the better Summons.
28th Jan '18 2:54:23 AM OlfinBedwere
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*** The DS port's version of this fight takes things FromBadToWorse, firstly because Kain is now guaranteed to be killed by the Shadow Dragon no matter what you do, and secondly because Golbez goes from fleeing the battle after just a few thousand points' worth of damage to having nearly ''10,000HP'', every single point of which has to be depleted before he falls.
22nd Jan '18 9:33:27 AM DrakeClawfang
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* InformedAttribute: Although there's a major plotline that revolves around Cecil renouncing the darkness inside him and becoming a good Paladin, there's really no examples of him acting anything remotely dark throughout the game apart from following orders to recover crystals for his King that starts out the game.
22nd Jan '18 8:54:27 AM lluewhyn
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* InformedAttribute: Although there's a major plotline that revolves around Cecil renouncing the darkness inside him and becoming a good Paladin, there's really no examples of him acting anything remotely dark throughout the game apart from following orders to recover crystals for his King that starts out the game.
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