History YMMV / FinalFantasyIV

29th Jul '17 3:51:23 AM KingArgorok
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** Edward. Either he's loathed for his weakness in battle coupled with his angsty attitude or he's liked for his spooniness and joining the characters despite being far from a warrior. The remakes have boosted Edward's popularity by making him and his abilities much more useful [[TookALevelInBadass to say nothing of the sequel]].

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** Edward. Either he's loathed for his weakness in battle coupled with his angsty attitude or he's liked for his spooniness and joining the characters despite being far from a warrior. The remakes re-releases have boosted Edward's popularity by making him and his abilities much more useful [[TookALevelInBadass to say nothing of the sequel]].



* FandomRivalry: Fans of the DS remake vs. fans of the PSP remake.

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* FandomRivalry: Fans of the DS remake vs. fans of the PSP remake.remaster.



** In the original SNES release, after the Dark Elf changes into his dragon form, he loses his ContractualBossImmunity to Weak/Tornado, which reduces the target's HP to [[HPToOne a single digit]]. All it took was Tellah casting this spell once, and having anyone else attack to beat him. This was removed in all subsequent remakes.

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** In the original SNES release, after the Dark Elf changes into his dragon form, he loses his ContractualBossImmunity to Weak/Tornado, which reduces the target's HP to [[HPToOne a single digit]]. All it took was Tellah casting this spell once, and having anyone else attack to beat him. This was removed in all subsequent remakes.re-releases.



** And likewise, many things that were added to the script in later remakes (like the DS version) weren't new additions; they were actually just restoring cut-content. (The SNES version had roughly 25% of the script written for the game, due to text size constraints.)

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** And likewise, many things that were added to the script in later remakes re-releases (like the DS version) 3D remake) weren't new additions; they were actually just restoring cut-content. (The SNES version had roughly 25% of the script written for the game, due to text size constraints.)



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Various remakes and ''The After Years'' have tried making Edward more useful, which has mitigated the hate somewhat. Being subject to ''Final Fantasy''[='s=] most famous meme doesn't hurt either.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Various remakes re-releases and ''The After Years'' have tried making Edward more useful, which has mitigated the hate somewhat. Being subject to ''Final Fantasy''[='s=] most famous meme doesn't hurt either.
19th Jul '17 2:40:18 PM anybodyever
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* ThatOneLevel:
** The Tower of Zot is difficult enough in and of itself, but this is horribly compounded by the player being stuck with the worst party in the game. You have one good character (Cecil), one good but fragile character (Yang), one character who doesn't really do anything well (Cid), and Tellah. The latter has low MP and poor casting stats, making him borderline dead weight as either a White ''or'' Black Mage, let alone both at once. Add in common enemies with powerful full party attacks and the inability to leave after entering and you're practically guaranteed a bad time.
4th Jul '17 11:12:06 PM Eagal
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** Rydia has a large fan-following for her powerful summons and MsFanservice design.
** Though his fanbase isn't as large as [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI Kefka]] or [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]], Golbez is pretty popular, too. Being what is basically the ''Final Fantasy'' equivalent of Darth Vader will do that for you. The DS version pushes this even further, what with his being voiced by ''[[Series/IronChef Chairman Fucking Kaga]]''.
28th Jun '17 7:40:35 AM DrakeClawfang
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* InternetBackraft: Some fans interpret the text to mean that the time difference in the Feymarch means that Rydia's aging was merely ''accelerated'', and that mentally she's still a child with her body just aged abnormally. The descriptions of the time phenomenon (and her change in personality) make it clear Rydia actually lived those displaced years and aged perfectly normally both mentally and physically. Now bring up the former interpretation in a ''Final Fantasy'' forum and stand back.

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* InternetBackraft: InternetBackdraft: Some fans interpret the text to mean that the time difference in the Feymarch means that Rydia's aging was merely ''accelerated'', and that mentally she's still a child with her body just aged abnormally. The descriptions of the time phenomenon (and her change in personality) make it clear Rydia actually lived those displaced years and aged perfectly normally both mentally and physically. Now bring up the former interpretation in a ''Final Fantasy'' forum and stand back.
28th Jun '17 7:40:18 AM DrakeClawfang
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* GrowingTheBeard: Many fans consider the game to be the starting point of the franchise taking itself seriously with CharacterDevelopment and a fleshed out plot.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Many fans consider the game to be the starting point of the franchise taking itself seriously with CharacterDevelopment and a fleshed out plot. SeinfeldIsUnfunny has sunk in over the years as described below, but the game remains popular and recognized for what it did for the franchise in its time.
* InternetBackraft: Some fans interpret the text to mean that the time difference in the Feymarch means that Rydia's aging was merely ''accelerated'', and that mentally she's still a child with her body just aged abnormally. The descriptions of the time phenomenon (and her change in personality) make it clear Rydia actually lived those displaced years and aged perfectly normally both mentally and physically. Now bring up the former interpretation in a ''Final Fantasy'' forum and stand back.
28th Jun '17 7:28:23 AM DrakeClawfang
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** Among the Elemental Archfiends, Barbariccia and Rubicante have more of a following than the other two. The former thanks to her [[EvilIsSexy sexiness]] and [[{{Stripperiffic}} outfit]], and the latter thanks to his NobleDemon tendencies.

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** Among the Elemental Archfiends, Barbariccia and Rubicante have more of a following than the other two. The former thanks to her [[EvilIsSexy sexiness]] and [[{{Stripperiffic}} outfit]], and the latter thanks to his NobleDemon tendencies. Rubicante even got to be playable in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyRecordKeeper'', the only Archfiend to get that distinction in ''any'' title.
5th Jun '17 3:30:24 AM SpaceDrake
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** The characters that get shuffled out (Palom, Porom, Edward, Tellah, and Cid) are inferior in skill to those who become your final party members.

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** The characters that get shuffled out (Palom, Porom, Edward, Tellah, Yang, and Cid) are inferior in skill to those who become your final party members.



*** Edward can actually be an ''aversion'' of this. At high levels, even with lower HP than [[SquishyWizard Rydia]], he is one of the fastest members of the party and his harps deal full damage from the back row. His weapon received from the BonusDungeon deals extra damage to enemies weak against fire and dragon-type enemies, of which there are several in the final dungeon. How does [[{{Cap}} 9999]] damage from the Spoony Bard sound?
*** Palom and Porom actually subvert this; together they're quite powerful, and Palom is actually superior at casting BlackMagic to Rydia (having higher Intellect, an ability Bluff to boost it further and learning spells faster, though he lacks the better Summons).
*** Yang is another exception, and if among a few records of player being able to switch parties, he is often used in place of Edge.

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*** Edward can actually be an ''aversion'' of this.this, in the versions where you get to realistically use him at high level. At high levels, even with lower HP than [[SquishyWizard Rydia]], he is one of the fastest members of the party and his harps deal full damage from the back row. His weapon received from the BonusDungeon deals extra damage to enemies weak against fire and dragon-type enemies, of which there are several in the final dungeon. How does [[{{Cap}} 9999]] damage from the Spoony Bard sound?
*** Palom and Porom actually subvert this; together even in the base game they're quite powerful, powerful together, and Palom (in versions where his being high level is relevant) is actually superior at casting BlackMagic to Rydia (having Rydia, having higher Intellect, an ability Intellect and Bluff to boost it further and further, along with learning spells faster, though he lacks the better Summons).
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*** Yang is another exception, also manages to avoid this in the GBA version and if among a few records of player being able later games - due to switch parties, he is often used in place of his massive strength score and his elemental claws, he's easily as useful as Edge.



** Cecil trying to boot Rosa and Rydia out of the party before TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon. In other words, trying to boot out the dedicated healer and the person who can use the most powerful magic ''and'' call down amazingly powerful beings to nuke enemies. Why? [[StayInTheKitchen They're women.]] Never mind that his mid-tier White Magic would not be sufficient. (For bonus stupid, ''Edge'' mocks Rosa and Rydia when they protest, even though he puts the "Fragile" in FragileSpeedster and moreover hasn't been in the party for nearly as long as them.)

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** Cecil trying to boot Rosa and Rydia out of the party before TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon. In other words, trying to boot out the dedicated healer and the person who can use the most powerful magic ''and'' call down amazingly powerful beings to nuke enemies. Why? [[StayInTheKitchen They're women.]] Never mind that his mid-tier White Magic would not be sufficient. (For bonus stupid, ''Edge'' mocks Rosa and Rydia when they protest, even though he puts the "Fragile" in FragileSpeedster and moreover hasn't been in the party for nearly as long as them.)) Fortunately for our temporarily-idiotic protagonist, the girls are having none of it.



** Believe it or not, the original SNES version had one improvement -- the item that Cecil delivers to Mist is called the Bomb Ring in the original game. While that would have fit (with some editing) in the original English translation, Cecil comes off as a bit stupid when he doesn't realize what a Bomb Ring will do when it gets to its destination. Becoming merely a Package makes Cecil seem like much less of a fool. Not coincidentally, Slattery similarly did not keep the original Japanese name -- he went with a MeaningfulName of the Carnelian Signet (carnelian being a bright red stone, with the additional meaning of "strength to conquer one's enemies").

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** Believe it or not, the original SNES version had one improvement -- the item that Cecil delivers to Mist is called the Bomb Ring in the original game. While that would have fit (with some editing) in the original English translation, Cecil comes off as a bit stupid when he doesn't realize what a Bomb Ring will do when it gets to its destination. Becoming merely a Package makes Cecil seem like much less of a fool.fool, ''and'' helps drive home the idea of his being demoted from airship captain to ''errand boy''. Not coincidentally, Slattery similarly did not keep the original Japanese name -- he went with a MeaningfulName of the Carnelian Signet (carnelian being a bright red stone, with the additional meaning of "strength to conquer one's enemies").
5th Jun '17 3:22:18 AM SpaceDrake
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** The ''music'' also falls victim to this, after a fashion. It still sounds good even today, for sure, but in 1991 going from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPQ5qxThDK8 this]] to '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwagM63UBc this,]]''' from NES FM synth to near-perfect [[UsefulNotes/{{MOD}} MOD orchestration-sampling]] gave one a sensation difficult to describe in written words.

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** The ''music'' also falls victim to this, after a fashion. It still sounds good even today, for sure, but in 1991 going from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPQ5qxThDK8 this]] to '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwagM63UBc this,]]''' this]]''', from NES FM synth to near-perfect [[UsefulNotes/{{MOD}} MOD orchestration-sampling]] gave one a sensation difficult orchestration-sampling]], was absolutely revelatory. Its use in the [[https://youtu.be/wBXVcXysdac?t=13s opening sequence]] alone, using volume control and broader instrumentation to describe make for a more effective lead-in before the orchestra hits, cemented the game's place in written words.the zeitgeist of the time all by itself.
4th Jun '17 4:56:20 PM KingLyger
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** In the original SNES release, after the Dark Elf changes into his dragon form, he loses his ContractualBossImmunity to Weak/Tornado, which reduces the target's HP to [[HPToOne a single digit]]. All it took was Tellah casting this spell once, and having anyone else attack to beat him. This was removed in all subsequent remakes.
23rd Apr '17 1:12:58 AM ElectroKraken
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* JunkRare: Outside of very limited situations noted above, the Goblin/Imp summon is basically useless, and it has the same drop rate as things like extra ribbons or the other hidden summons. The only reason it shows up more frequently is because goblins are common foes in several areas. The [=FireBomb=] in the American SNES version as well - not a terribly common drop, from an enemy that only shows up as an uncommon encounter late in the game, and its problems are noted below under UselessItem.
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