History YMMV / FinalFantasyIV

13th Oct '17 10:57:17 AM KingLyger
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* DeaderThanDisco: When it was first released, the [=J2e=] fan translation was widely hailed as a major improvement over Square's original effort. Nowadays it's more often considered the ''worst'' translation of the game, as comparisons to the original Japanese text have shown that the translators actually just polished and rewrote the text from the U.S. ''Final Fantasy II'' release... which might not have been so bad if they hadn't also rewritten Golbez's dialogue to make him more of a jokey [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI Kefka-esque]] villain, thrown in a bunch of gratuitous pop culture references, and even introduced errors that weren't in the original translation, such as changing the Dark Elf's magnetic field to a gravity field.

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* DeaderThanDisco: When it was first released, the [=J2e=] fan translation was widely hailed as a major improvement over Square's original effort. Nowadays it's more often considered the ''worst'' translation of the game, as comparisons to the original Japanese text have shown that the translators actually just polished and rewrote the text from the U.S. ''Final Fantasy II'' release... which release. This might not have been so bad if they hadn't also rewritten Golbez's dialogue to make him more of a jokey [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI Kefka-esque]] villain, thrown in a bunch of gratuitous pop culture references, and even introduced errors that weren't in the original translation, such translation (such as changing the Dark Elf's magnetic field to a gravity field.field), and threw in a bunch of unnecessary swearing in an attempt to make the script more "mature," such as calling people "retarded" and having Kain refer to Rosa as Cecil's "little whore".
6th Oct '17 9:44:14 AM DrakeClawfang
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* HypeBacklash: In the 2000s era of the ''Final Fantasy'' franchise, this one is the most heavily exposed of the Nintendo-era main series, and Cecil and Kain are up-there with the likes of Cloud and Lightning as some of the most promoted characters for spin-offs. However, as mentioned SeinfeldIsInfunny has kicked in hard for the game, causing some detractors to question if it really deserves so much attention compared to the other two SNES-era games.

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* HypeBacklash: In the 2000s era of the ''Final Fantasy'' franchise, this one is the most heavily exposed of the Nintendo-era main series, and Cecil and Kain are up-there with the likes of Cloud and Lightning as some of the most promoted characters for spin-offs. However, as mentioned SeinfeldIsInfunny SeinfeldIsUnfunny has kicked in hard for the game, causing some detractors to question if it really deserves so much attention compared to the other two SNES-era games.
6th Oct '17 9:44:01 AM DrakeClawfang
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* HypeBacklash: In the 2000s era of the ''Final Fantasy'' franchise, this one is the most heavily exposed of the Nintendo-era main series, and Cecil and Kain are up-there with the likes of Cloud and Lightning as some of the most promoted characters for spin-offs. However, as mentioned SeinfeldIsInfunny has kicked in hard for the game, causing some detractors to question if it really deserves so much attention compared to the other two SNES-era games.
5th Oct '17 12:32:31 PM DecafGrub47393
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** In the original SNES release, after the Dark Elf changes into his dragon form, he loses his ContractualBossImmunity to Weak/Tornado, which reduces the target's HP to [[HPToOne a single digit]]. All it took was Tellah casting this spell once, and having anyone else attack to beat him. This was removed in all subsequent re-releases.

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** In the original SNES release, after the Dark Elf changes into his dragon form, he loses his ContractualBossImmunity to Weak/Tornado, which reduces the target's HP to [[HPToOne a single digit]]. All it took was Tellah casting this spell once, and having anyone else attack to beat him. This was removed in all subsequent re-releases.the DS and PSP versions, but not the GBA version.
5th Oct '17 12:31:34 PM DecafGrub47393
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* FandomRivalry: Fans of the DS remake vs. fans of the PSP remaster.

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* FandomRivalry: Fans of the DS remake vs. fans of the PSP remaster.2D versions (SNES, PSX, GBA and PSP).
12th Sep '17 6:32:14 AM rixion
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* GameBreaker: In the GBA version, the enemies move at a much slower pace, and the battle system will occasionally give you extra turns. In addition, some of the items from the bonus dungeon (Abel's Lance, for one, which randomly casts an unresistable version of Tornado and reduces a target's HP to single digits) are beyond overpowered. Anyone else want to defeat the BonusBoss in two hits? Some of the battle system bugs were apparently fixed or at least toned down for the European release and/or later versions in general.

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* GameBreaker: In the GBA version, the enemies move at a much slower pace, and the battle system will occasionally give you extra turns. In addition, some of the items from the bonus dungeon (Abel's Lance, for one, which randomly casts an unresistable version of Tornado and reduces a target's HP to single digits) are beyond overpowered. Anyone else want to defeat the BonusBoss in two hits? Some of the battle system bugs were apparently fixed or at least toned down for the European release and/or later versions in general.[[GameBreaker/FinalFantasy Here]].
8th Sep '17 2:18:05 PM YellowYoshi398
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* WritersCannotDoMaths: The guidebook ''[[http://www.sceneryrecalled.com/trans/ff4comp.htm Settei Shiryou Hen]]'', released alongside the SFC game in Japan, gives a lot of AllThereInTheManual information about the world of ''FFIV''[[note]](much of which hasn't been acknowledged since in the sequel and various remakes of the game, making it [[RetCon dubiously canonical]])[[/note]], including the population and area of each of the game's nations. All of these numbers seem unusually ''small'', such as Fabul having a population of ''300 people'' and the entire planet having ''less surface area than Kansas''. See the editor's notes in the previous link for snarky commentary on these and other discrepancies.

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** The recurring item ''[[http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Whisperweed hisohisou]]'' - a plant which can trasmit sounds - debuts here, and poses a unique challenge for translators as usual due to the [[BilingualBonus Japanese pun]] in its name, which combines ''hisohiso'' (onomatopoeia for whispering) with ''-sou'' (a suffix used to denote plant names). Starting with the SNES original, most English translations changed this into a completely different item called a "Twin Harp" (a pair of harps that can transmit sound from one to another), which was a clever enough solution considering you never actually get to see the item in Cecil's inventory. For the DS version, Slattery retained the item's original nature as a plant and translated its name as "Whisperweed", cleverly replacing the wordplay of the original with AddedAlliterativeAppeal.
* WritersCannotDoMaths: WritersCannotDoMaths / [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale Fantasy Writers Have No Sense of Scale]]: The guidebook ''[[http://www.sceneryrecalled.com/trans/ff4comp.htm Settei Shiryou Hen]]'', released alongside the SFC game in Japan, gives a lot of AllThereInTheManual information about the world of ''FFIV''[[note]](much of which hasn't been acknowledged since in the sequel and various remakes of the game, making it [[RetCon dubiously canonical]])[[/note]], including the population and area of each of the game's nations. All of these numbers seem unusually ''small'', such as Fabul having a population of ''300 people'' and the entire planet having ''less surface area than Kansas''. See the editor's notes in the previous link for snarky commentary on these and other discrepancies.
8th Sep '17 9:06:52 AM YellowYoshi398
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* WritersCannotDoMaths: The guidebook ''[[http://www.sceneryrecalled.com/trans/ff4comp.htm Settei Shiryou Hen]]'', released alongside the SFC game in Japan, gives a lot of AllThereInTheManual information about the world of ''FFIV''[[note]](much of which hasn't been acknowledged since in the sequel and various remakes of the game, making it [[RetCon dubiously canonical]])[[/note]], including the population and area of each of the game's nations. All of these numbers seem unusually *small*, such as Fabul having a population of *300 people* and the entire planet having *less surface area than Kansas*. See the editor's notes in the previous link for snarky commentary on these and other discrepancies.

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* WritersCannotDoMaths: The guidebook ''[[http://www.sceneryrecalled.com/trans/ff4comp.htm Settei Shiryou Hen]]'', released alongside the SFC game in Japan, gives a lot of AllThereInTheManual information about the world of ''FFIV''[[note]](much of which hasn't been acknowledged since in the sequel and various remakes of the game, making it [[RetCon dubiously canonical]])[[/note]], including the population and area of each of the game's nations. All of these numbers seem unusually *small*, ''small'', such as Fabul having a population of *300 people* ''300 people'' and the entire planet having *less ''less surface area than Kansas*.Kansas''. See the editor's notes in the previous link for snarky commentary on these and other discrepancies.
8th Sep '17 9:06:10 AM YellowYoshi398
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* WritersCannotDoMaths: The guidebook ''[[http://www.sceneryrecalled.com/trans/ff4comp.htm Settei Shiryou Hen]]'', released alongside the SFC game in Japan, gives a lot of AllThereInTheManual information about the world of ''FFIV''[[note]](much of which hasn't been acknowledged since in the sequel and various remakes of the game, making it [[RetCon dubiously canonical]])[[/note]], including the population and area of each of the game's nations. All of these numbers seem unusually *small*, such as Fabul having a population of *300 people* and the entire planet having *less surface area than Kansas*. See the editor's notes in the previous link for snarky commentary on these and other discrepancies.
29th Jul '17 3:51:23 AM KingArgorok
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** Edward. Either he's loathed for his weakness in battle coupled with his angsty attitude or he's liked for his spooniness and joining the characters despite being far from a warrior. The remakes have boosted Edward's popularity by making him and his abilities much more useful [[TookALevelInBadass to say nothing of the sequel]].

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** Edward. Either he's loathed for his weakness in battle coupled with his angsty attitude or he's liked for his spooniness and joining the characters despite being far from a warrior. The remakes re-releases have boosted Edward's popularity by making him and his abilities much more useful [[TookALevelInBadass to say nothing of the sequel]].



* FandomRivalry: Fans of the DS remake vs. fans of the PSP remake.

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* FandomRivalry: Fans of the DS remake vs. fans of the PSP remake.remaster.



** In the original SNES release, after the Dark Elf changes into his dragon form, he loses his ContractualBossImmunity to Weak/Tornado, which reduces the target's HP to [[HPToOne a single digit]]. All it took was Tellah casting this spell once, and having anyone else attack to beat him. This was removed in all subsequent remakes.

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** In the original SNES release, after the Dark Elf changes into his dragon form, he loses his ContractualBossImmunity to Weak/Tornado, which reduces the target's HP to [[HPToOne a single digit]]. All it took was Tellah casting this spell once, and having anyone else attack to beat him. This was removed in all subsequent remakes.re-releases.



** And likewise, many things that were added to the script in later remakes (like the DS version) weren't new additions; they were actually just restoring cut-content. (The SNES version had roughly 25% of the script written for the game, due to text size constraints.)

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** And likewise, many things that were added to the script in later remakes re-releases (like the DS version) 3D remake) weren't new additions; they were actually just restoring cut-content. (The SNES version had roughly 25% of the script written for the game, due to text size constraints.)



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Various remakes and ''The After Years'' have tried making Edward more useful, which has mitigated the hate somewhat. Being subject to ''Final Fantasy''[='s=] most famous meme doesn't hurt either.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Various remakes re-releases and ''The After Years'' have tried making Edward more useful, which has mitigated the hate somewhat. Being subject to ''Final Fantasy''[='s=] most famous meme doesn't hurt either.
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