History YMMV / FinalFantasyII

28th Jul '16 11:35:12 AM Bourne~Endeavor
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* ScrappyMechanic: The "Leveling" system is infamous for being among the worst in the entire series. You do not gain traditional EXP from killing monsters. Instead, characters level skills based upon use. Therefore, you must _use_ each individual magic in order to increase its level. HP works in a similar fashion-- you gain more by being hit. The issue there is the game doesn't differentiate between monsters or players. A common tactic for players is to beat up their own party at the start of the game.

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* ScrappyMechanic: The "Leveling" system is infamous for being among the worst in the entire series. You do not gain traditional EXP from killing monsters. Instead, characters level skills based upon use. Therefore, you must _use_ ''use'' each individual magic in order to increase its level. HP works in a similar fashion-- you gain more by being hit. The issue there is the game doesn't differentiate between monsters or players. A common tactic for players is to beat up their own party at the start of the game.
28th Jul '16 11:34:29 AM Bourne~Endeavor
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* ScrappyMechanic: The "Leveling" system is infamous for being among the worst in the entire series. You do not gain traditional EXP from killing monsters. Instead, characters level skills based upon use. Therefore, you must _use_ each individual magic in order to increase its level. HP works in a similar fashion-- you gain more by being hit. The issue there is the game doesn't differentiate between monsters or players. A common tactic for players is to beat up their own party at the start of the game.
14th Jul '16 1:49:40 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* TheyJustDidntCare: In the GBA version, the Dark Knight's portrait is [[spoiler:clearly just a darkened version of Leon's portrait]]. The PSP version gives the Dark Knight a helmet in his portrait, though [[spoiler:he still has the same armor and stare]].
28th May '16 10:00:08 PM nombretomado
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** In the original and PS1 versions, if one selects a move and then cancels it, the game treated it as if you had performed the move, for the purposes of raising stats. Thus it is possible to get astronomically high strength and magic skills almost as soon as you start the game, if your fingers can take it.

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** In the original and PS1 [=PS1=] versions, if one selects a move and then cancels it, the game treated it as if you had performed the move, for the purposes of raising stats. Thus it is possible to get astronomically high strength and magic skills almost as soon as you start the game, if your fingers can take it.



* NewerThanTheyThink[=/=]OlderThanTheyThink: This game was the origin of a lot of ''Final Fantasy'' standbys. Newer Than They Think is for elements like Cid[[note]]The "Cid of the Lufaine" from FFI is a PosthumousCharacter added in re-releases[[/note]], chocobos, etc., which weren't in ''Final Fantasy I''—this comes as a surprise to a lot of people. And Older Than They Think comes into play with many of the plot elements—the Evil Empire, Bishounen villain who's seeking godhood, essentially, party members being Killed Off for Real, and even the presence of any plot at all—which many people seem to think only started in the SNES and PS1 era.

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* NewerThanTheyThink[=/=]OlderThanTheyThink: This game was the origin of a lot of ''Final Fantasy'' standbys. Newer Than They Think is for elements like Cid[[note]]The "Cid of the Lufaine" from FFI is a PosthumousCharacter added in re-releases[[/note]], chocobos, etc., which weren't in ''Final Fantasy I''—this comes as a surprise to a lot of people. And Older Than They Think comes into play with many of the plot elements—the Evil Empire, Bishounen villain who's seeking godhood, essentially, party members being Killed Off for Real, and even the presence of any plot at all—which many people seem to think only started in the SNES and PS1 [=PS1=] era.
10th May '16 7:11:34 AM MissesJinx
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The giant beavers at the bottom of the Ice Cavern. Aside from giving a chance to helpfully inform us that "Guy speak beaver," they have absolutely no relevance to the plot or to anything else in the game, but nevertheless you must talk to them to proceed. The most logical conclusion as to their inclusion in the game is that they were intended to be [[{{Expy}} expies]] of [[StarWars Ewoks,]] in that their demonstratively minor actions ultimately lead to the defeat of a global empire. Likewise, Guy "speaking beaver" is probably supposed to reinforce an analogous connection to Chewbacca.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The giant beavers at the bottom of the Ice Cavern. Aside from giving a chance to helpfully inform us that "Guy speak beaver," they have absolutely no relevance to the plot or to anything else in the game, but nevertheless you must talk to them to proceed. The most logical conclusion as They were meant to their inclusion have been the series' first appearance of Moogles, one of several races encountered in the game is that they world, but were intended to be [[{{Expy}} expies]] of [[StarWars Ewoks,]] in that their demonstratively minor actions ultimately lead to the defeat of a global empire. Likewise, Guy "speaking beaver" is probably supposed to reinforce an analogous connection to Chewbacca.DummiedOut.



** Until ''Dissidia'', odds are the only things casual fans of the series remembered about this game was Minwu. The developers took notice and turned him into a BreakoutCharacter in the remakes, making him the focus on a secondary storyline unlocked after the game that takes place in the afterlife.
** Ricard Highwind the [[LastOfHisKind last of the Dragoons]] has also garnered quite the following. Like Minwu, he is predominantly featured in the secondary storyline in the afterlife, and was the inspiration for ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'' MemeticBadass Kain Highwind.

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** Until ''Dissidia'', odds are the only things casual fans of the series remembered about this game was Minwu. The developers took notice and turned him into a BreakoutCharacter in the remakes, making him the focus on a secondary storyline unlocked after the game that takes place in the afterlife.
** Ricard Highwind Highwind, the [[LastOfHisKind last of the Dragoons]] Dragoons]], has also garnered quite the following. Like Minwu, he is predominantly featured in the secondary storyline in the afterlife, and was the inspiration for ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'' MemeticBadass Kain Highwind.



* GoodBadBug:

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* GoodBadBug:GoodBadBugs:



* HarsherInHindsight: Given that Leila is effectively [[spoiler:the [[Franchise/StarWars Han Solo]] to Firion's Luke]], that [[spoiler:she is the only party member who suffers a DisneyDeath]] is now quite ironic.



* SophomoreSlump: Probably the least popular title in the series. The original version is a poorly balanced mess that would probably be unplayable without the GoodBadBugs mentioned above.
5th Jan '16 10:04:15 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEmperor Emperor Mateus]], the [[BigBad primary villain]], is the [[EvilOverlord ruler of Palamecia]]. A tyrant defined by his arrogance and {{greed}}, Mateus unleashes the LegionsOfHell to attack the innocent peoples of the world and aid him in his quest of total [[TakeOverTheWorld global domination]], [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans seeking to destroy all those who won't submit themselves to his iron-fisted rule]]. In order to remove the threat of the island of Deist and their Wyvern-riding warriors, the Dragoons, Mateus poisoned the Wyverns' water supply, wiped out the creatures, then exterminated the weakened Dragoons. He also enslaved the peoples of Salamand and Bafsk, the latter of which he forced to construct the Dreadnought, an air warship which he uses to rain death upon cities that oppose him. Following the Dreadnought's destruction, Mateus instead uses a massive Cyclone to completely obliterate the towns of Paloom, Altair, Gatrea and Poft, killing all within. Dying in the attempt to wipe out Fynn as well, Mateus's soul was split into a dark half and a light half. The dark half [[HellHasNewManagement conquered hell]], returned to the world of the living, murdered the last Dragoon, Ricard, and revealed his new intention to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the world]] with his newfound power. Meanwhile, Mateus's light half seized the throne of heaven, and, after briefly pretending to be a pure being to tempt the souls of four heroes who had died in the war against him, vows to grant them eternal suffering once they realize [LightIsNotGood the light half of Mateus's soul is just as evil as his dark half]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEmperor Emperor Mateus]], the [[BigBad primary villain]], is the [[EvilOverlord ruler of Palamecia]]. A tyrant defined by his arrogance and {{greed}}, Mateus unleashes the LegionsOfHell to attack the innocent peoples of the world and aid him in his quest of total [[TakeOverTheWorld global domination]], [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans seeking to destroy all those who won't submit themselves to his iron-fisted rule]]. In order to remove the threat of the island of Deist and their Wyvern-riding warriors, the Dragoons, Mateus poisoned the Wyverns' water supply, wiped out the creatures, then exterminated the weakened Dragoons. He also enslaved the peoples of Salamand and Bafsk, the latter of which he forced to construct the Dreadnought, an air warship which he uses to rain death upon cities that oppose him. Following the Dreadnought's destruction, Mateus instead uses a massive Cyclone to completely obliterate the towns of Paloom, Altair, Gatrea and Poft, killing all within. Dying in the attempt to wipe out Fynn as well, Mateus's soul was split into a dark half and a light half. The dark half [[HellHasNewManagement conquered hell]], returned to the world of the living, murdered the last Dragoon, Ricard, and revealed his new intention to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the world]] with his newfound power. Meanwhile, Mateus's light half seized the throne of heaven, and, after briefly pretending to be a pure being to tempt the souls of four heroes who had died in the war against him, vows to grant them eternal suffering once they realize [LightIsNotGood [[LightIsNotGood the light half of Mateus's soul is just as evil as his dark half]].
3rd Jan '16 8:38:08 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEmperor Emperor Mateus]] is the ruler of Palamecia and the BigBad of ''{{VideoGame/Final Fantasy II}}''. A tyrant defined by his arrogance and greed, Mateus unleashes the LegionsOfHell to attack the innocent peoples of the world and aid him in his quest of [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans total global domination, seeking to destroy all those who won't submit themselves to his iron-fisted rule.]] In order to remove the threat of Deist and their wyvern riding warriors, the Dragoons, Mateus poisoned the wyverns' water supply, wiped out the creatures then exterminated the weakened Dragoons. He also enslaved the peoples of Salamand and Bafsk, the latter of which he forced to construct the Dreadnought, an air warship which he uses to rain death upon cities that oppose him. Following the Dreadnought's destruction, Mateus instead uses a massive Cyclone to completely obliterate the towns of Paloom, Altair, Gatrea and Poft, killing all within. Dying in the attempt to wipe out Fynn as well, Mateus's soul was split into a dark half and a light half. The dark half conquered hell, returned to the world of the living, murdered the last Dragoon, Ricard, and [[OmnicidalManiac revealed his new intention to destroy the world with his newfound power.]] Meanwhile, Mateus's light half seized the throne of heaven, and, after briefly pretending to be a pure being to tempt the souls of four heroes who had died in the war against him, vows to grant them eternal suffering once they realize the light half of Mateus's soul is just as evil as his dark half.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEmperor Emperor Mateus]] Mateus]], the [[BigBad primary villain]], is the [[EvilOverlord ruler of Palamecia and the BigBad of ''{{VideoGame/Final Fantasy II}}''. Palamecia]]. A tyrant defined by his arrogance and greed, {{greed}}, Mateus unleashes the LegionsOfHell to attack the innocent peoples of the world and aid him in his quest of total [[TakeOverTheWorld global domination]], [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans total global domination, seeking to destroy all those who won't submit themselves to his iron-fisted rule.]] rule]]. In order to remove the threat of the island of Deist and their wyvern riding Wyvern-riding warriors, the Dragoons, Mateus poisoned the wyverns' Wyverns' water supply, wiped out the creatures creatures, then exterminated the weakened Dragoons. He also enslaved the peoples of Salamand and Bafsk, the latter of which he forced to construct the Dreadnought, an air warship which he uses to rain death upon cities that oppose him. Following the Dreadnought's destruction, Mateus instead uses a massive Cyclone to completely obliterate the towns of Paloom, Altair, Gatrea and Poft, killing all within. Dying in the attempt to wipe out Fynn as well, Mateus's soul was split into a dark half and a light half. The dark half [[HellHasNewManagement conquered hell, hell]], returned to the world of the living, murdered the last Dragoon, Ricard, and [[OmnicidalManiac revealed his new intention to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the world world]] with his newfound power.]] power. Meanwhile, Mateus's light half seized the throne of heaven, and, after briefly pretending to be a pure being to tempt the souls of four heroes who had died in the war against him, vows to grant them eternal suffering once they realize [LightIsNotGood the light half of Mateus's soul is just as evil as his dark half.half]].
1st Jan '16 8:04:40 PM eowynjedi
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The giant beavers at the bottom of the Ice Cavern. Aside from giving a chance to helpfully inform us that "Guy speak beaver," they have absolutely no relevance to the plot or to anything else in the game. The most logical conclusion as to their inclusion in the game is that they were intended to be [[{{Expy}} expies]] of [[StarWars Ewoks,]] in that their demonstratively minor actions ultimately lead to the defeat of a global empire. Likewise, Guy "speaking beaver" is probably supposed to reinforce an analogous connection to Chewbacca.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The giant beavers at the bottom of the Ice Cavern. Aside from giving a chance to helpfully inform us that "Guy speak beaver," they have absolutely no relevance to the plot or to anything else in the game.game, but nevertheless you must talk to them to proceed. The most logical conclusion as to their inclusion in the game is that they were intended to be [[{{Expy}} expies]] of [[StarWars Ewoks,]] in that their demonstratively minor actions ultimately lead to the defeat of a global empire. Likewise, Guy "speaking beaver" is probably supposed to reinforce an analogous connection to Chewbacca.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Until ''Dissidia'', odds are the only things casual fans of the series remembered about this game was Minwu. The developers took notice and turned him into a BreakoutCharacter in the remakes, making him the focus on a secondary storyline unlocked after the game that takes place in the afterlife.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Until ''Dissidia'', odds are the only things casual fans of the series remembered about this game was Minwu. The developers took notice and turned him into a BreakoutCharacter in the remakes, making him the focus on a secondary storyline unlocked after the game that takes place in the afterlife.



* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler:The ending warmly states that the wounds of the war would heal in time...'', largely ignoring the difficulty of recovering from the utter destruction of roughly half of the world's population centers.'']]
** It's arguably more of a BittersweetEnding in tone, especially considering Leon's departure.
* GameBreaker: Buff spells, blood swords (which do damage proportional to the target's maximum HP as a result of being HP-drainers, making them deadly against bosses but mostly useless against normal enemies, and [[ReviveKillsZombie worse than useless]] against undead), the minigame exploit (the puzzles repeat every 32 tries, allowing for easy late game equipment) plus the leveling related issues, something that could fill most of an FF subpage on gamebreakers.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler:The ending warmly states that the wounds of the war would heal in time...'', largely ignoring the difficulty of recovering from the utter destruction of roughly "in time." Given that about half of the world's population centers.'']]
** It's arguably more of
centers have been totally wiped out, it's probably going to be a BittersweetEnding in tone, especially considering Leon's departure.
real ''long'' time.]]
* GameBreaker: Buff GameBreaker:
**Buff
spells, blood swords (which do damage proportional to the target's maximum HP as a result of being HP-drainers, making them deadly against bosses but mostly useless against normal enemies, and [[ReviveKillsZombie worse than useless]] against undead), the minigame exploit (the puzzles repeat every 32 tries, allowing for easy late game equipment) plus the leveling related issues, something that could fill most of an FF subpage on gamebreakers.



* GoodBadBug: In the original and PS1 versions, if one selects a move and then cancels it, the game treated it as if you had performed the move, for the purposes of raising stats. Thus it is possible to get astronomically high strength and magic skills almost as soon as you start the game, if your fingers can take it.

to:

* GoodBadBug: GoodBadBug:
**
In the original and PS1 versions, if one selects a move and then cancels it, the game treated it as if you had performed the move, for the purposes of raising stats. Thus it is possible to get astronomically high strength and magic skills almost as soon as you start the game, if your fingers can take it.



* NewerThanTheyThink[=/=]OlderThanTheyThink: This game was the origin of a lot of ''Final Fantasy'' standbys. Newer Than They Think is for elements like Cid (unless you count Cid of the Lufaine), chocobos, etc., which weren't in ''Final Fantasy I''—this comes as a surprise to a lot of people. And Older Than They Think comes into play with many of the plot elements—the Evil Empire, Bishounen villain who's seeking godhood, essentially, party members being Killed Off for Real, and even the presence of any plot at all—which many people seem to think only started in the SNES and PS1 era.

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* NewerThanTheyThink[=/=]OlderThanTheyThink: This game was the origin of a lot of ''Final Fantasy'' standbys. Newer Than They Think is for elements like Cid (unless you count Cid Cid[[note]]The "Cid of the Lufaine), Lufaine" from FFI is a PosthumousCharacter added in re-releases[[/note]], chocobos, etc., which weren't in ''Final Fantasy I''—this comes as a surprise to a lot of people. And Older Than They Think comes into play with many of the plot elements—the Evil Empire, Bishounen villain who's seeking godhood, essentially, party members being Killed Off for Real, and even the presence of any plot at all—which many people seem to think only started in the SNES and PS1 era.



* SophomoreSlump: Probably the least popular title in the series - The original version is a poorly balanced mess that would probably be unplayable without the GoodBadBugs mentioned above.

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* SophomoreSlump: Probably the least popular title in the series - series. The original version is a poorly balanced mess that would probably be unplayable without the GoodBadBugs mentioned above.
30th Dec '15 5:44:53 AM OccasionalExister
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEmperor Emperor Mateus]] is the ruler of Palamecia and the BigBad of ''{{VideoGame/Final Fantasy II}}''. A tyrant defined by his arrogance and greed, Mateus unleashes the LegionsOfHell to attack the innocent peoples of the world and aid him in his quest of [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans total global domination, seeking to destroy all those who won't submit themselves to his iron-fisted rule.]] In order to remove the threat of Deist and their wyvern riding warriors, the Dragoons, Mateus poisoned the wyverns' water supply, wiped out the creatures then exterminated the weakened Dragoons. He also enslaved the peoples of Salamand and Bafsk, the latter of which he forced to construct the Dreadnought, an air warship which he uses to rain death upon cities that oppose him. Following the Dreadnought's destruction, Mateus instead uses a massive Cyclone to completely obliterate the towns of Paloom, Altair, Gatrea and Poft, killing all within. Dying in the attempt to wipe out Fynn as well, Mateus's soul was split into a dark half and a light half. The dark half conquered hell, returned to the world of the living, murdered the last Dragoon, Ricard, and [[OmnicidalManiac revealed his new intention to destroy the world with his newfound power.]] Meanwhile, Mateus's light half seized the throne of heaven, and, after briefly pretending to be a pure being to tempt the souls of four heroes who had died in the war against him, vows to grant them eternal suffering once they realize the light half of Mateus's soul is just as evil as his dark half.
5th Jun '15 1:45:36 PM mariofan1000
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* SophomoreSlump: Probably the least popular title in the series - The original game is a poorly balanced mess that would probably be unplayable without the GoodBadBugs mentioned above,

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* SophomoreSlump: Probably the least popular title in the series - The original game version is a poorly balanced mess that would probably be unplayable without the GoodBadBugs mentioned above,above.
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