History YMMV / FateZeroSense

28th Jun '16 8:52:23 PM Angeldeb82
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** Assassin. Being {{Deadpool}} will make you that;
** Rider[[spoiler:/Kamina]] of course! [[CatchPhrase Who the Hell to you think he is ?!]];
** [[spoiler:Kotomine Kirei]] becomes this after [[spoiler:his Fourth Wall broke thanks to Deadpool.]]

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** Assassin. Being {{Deadpool}} will make you that;
that.
** Rider[[spoiler:/Kamina]] of course! [[CatchPhrase Who the Hell to do you think he is ?!]];
?!]]
** [[spoiler:Kotomine Kirei]] becomes this after [[spoiler:his Fourth Wall broke thanks to Deadpool.]]Deadpool]].



* DoubleStandard: [[spoiler:[[Manga/FairyTail Caster/Erza]]]] has no problem [[DyingCurse cursing]] out everyone for being selfish because they wanted their wishes granted by the Grail, yet the chapter she died in established that her original wish was to return to life after she died, which is actually similar to [[NotSoDifferent Saber's and Assassin's wishes]]. Her rant towards the end also [[SoreLoser does her no favors...]]

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* DoubleStandard: [[spoiler:[[Manga/FairyTail Caster/Erza]]]] has no problem [[DyingCurse cursing]] out everyone for being selfish because they wanted their wishes granted by the Grail, yet the chapter she died in established that her original wish was to return to life after she died, which is actually similar to [[NotSoDifferent Saber's and Assassin's wishes]]. Her rant towards the end also [[SoreLoser does her no favors...]]favors]]...



* HarsherInHindsight: Something that doesn't go well with [[PetTheDog Sakura's current condition,]] is that she is [[spoiler: [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech more than willing to lash out]] [[CallingTheOldManOut to her birth families.]]]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: Something that doesn't go well with [[PetTheDog Sakura's current condition,]] condition]] is that she is [[spoiler: [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech more than willing to lash out]] [[CallingTheOldManOut to her birth families.]]]] families]]]].



** Sola [[spoiler:killing Kayneth. While he ''was'' a JerkAss, the fact that Sola murders him after he gave her his Command Seals and that she murders him ''willingly'' (no curse that excuses her craziness) without any remorse whatsoever doesn't make her [[{{Understatement}} terribly sympathetic]].]]
** Kirei and Wade stopped being funny when they killed [[spoiler: [[TheWoobie Illya]]]]

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** Sola [[spoiler:killing Kayneth. While he ''was'' a JerkAss, {{Jerkass}}, the fact that Sola murders him after he gave her his Command Seals and that she murders him ''willingly'' (no curse that excuses her craziness) without any remorse whatsoever doesn't make her [[{{Understatement}} terribly sympathetic]].]]
sympathetic]]]].
** Kirei and Wade stopped being funny when they killed [[spoiler: [[TheWoobie Illya]]]]Illya]]]].



** [[spoiler:Caster]]'s death in the sequel. A CallBack to [[spoiler:[[LightNovel/FateZero Zero Lancer]]'s DyingCurse.]]

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** [[spoiler:Caster]]'s death in the sequel. A CallBack to [[spoiler:[[LightNovel/FateZero Zero Lancer]]'s DyingCurse.]]DyingCurse]].



* VillainSue: Kotomine ''wants'' to become this after [[spoiler:his Fourth Wall broke.]]



* TheWoobie: Archer; poor guy wants nothing but to solve the Holy Grail War without anybody getting killed. Which is pretty much impossible when you consider you are in the ''[[CrapsackWorld Nasuverse]]'', in a conflict where it's required to kill other Servants for it to be completed. He fails misterably to save [[spoiler:Caster]] and sees him die in front of him, before [[spoiler:having his Master betrayed and killed while he is taken over by the BigBad and sent with the order to kill Saber.]] In the end, [[spoiler:he has to sacrifice himself to not kill anybody]].

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* TheWoobie: Archer; poor guy wants nothing but to solve the Holy Grail War without anybody getting killed. Which is pretty much impossible when you consider you are in the ''[[CrapsackWorld Nasuverse]]'', in a conflict where it's required to kill other Servants for it to be completed. He fails misterably miserably to save [[spoiler:Caster]] and sees him die in front of him, before [[spoiler:having his Master betrayed and killed while he is taken over by the BigBad and sent with the order to kill Saber.]] In the end, [[spoiler:he has to sacrifice himself to not kill anybody]].



** Poor, poor [[LockedOutOfTheLoop Aoi.]]
** Illya trumps them ALL by a long shot, made especially poignant [[spoiler: as she dies.]]

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** Poor, poor [[LockedOutOfTheLoop Aoi.]]
Aoi]].
** Illya trumps them ALL by a long shot, made especially poignant [[spoiler: as she dies.]]dies]].
3rd Jun '15 4:03:11 AM Theokal3
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* DeaderThanDisco: When the fic first came out, it was actually well-liked for being the incarnation of CrazyAwesome in fanfictions. The sequel, however, has been less appreciated, and since then people have started to notice the fic's flaws, particularly [[TheWorfEffect the poor treatment received by]] [[ButtMonkey Saber]]. Notably, writer The Infamous Man (who has improved since then) aknowledges the fic's flaws, and regards it as an OldShame.
23rd Mar '15 10:44:42 PM nombretomado
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** [[spoiler:Caster]]'s death in the sequel. A CallBack to [[spoiler:[[FateZero Zero Lancer]]'s DyingCurse.]]

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** [[spoiler:Caster]]'s death in the sequel. A CallBack to [[spoiler:[[FateZero [[spoiler:[[LightNovel/FateZero Zero Lancer]]'s DyingCurse.]]
24th Feb '15 2:23:07 PM thezogg
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* JumpingTheShark: ''Zero Sense'' had a lot of problems, but the Infamous Man himseld admits that everything fell apart in the sequel.

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* JumpingTheShark: ''Zero Sense'' had a lot of problems, but the Infamous Man himseld himself admits that everything fell apart in the sequel.
24th Feb '15 2:22:12 PM thezogg
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* JumpingTheShark: ''Zero Sense'' had a lot of problems, but the Infamous Man himseld admits that everything fell apart in the sequel.


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* NeverLiveItDown: The Infamous Man has greatly improved as a writer since this story and sees it as an OldShame, but since it spawned legions of even worse fics, he's been stuck with this as his main legacy.
17th Sep '14 7:25:27 AM Theokal3
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* CryForTheDevil: [[spoiler: Caster Sasuke Uchiha, who was summoned from an AlternateUniverse where he did kill Naruto, as well as many other Leaf Ninja, before [[CycleOfRevenge Hinata killed him to avenge Naruto.]] In his last moments, he laments to Archer how he never got to kill Itachi, making his whole vengeance in vain, and how in the end [[HeWhoFightsMonsters he was no better than his brother]].]]
2nd Sep '14 8:43:52 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplication: some fans felt like Sola-Ui's affection for Lancer (who in this fic is ''a teenager'') sounded more like attraction than maternal affection, giving him some kind of pedophile subtext. It doesn't help that in canon, Sola ''did'' fall in love with Lancer (who was an adult then). The Infamous Man denied such subtext however, and insisted that their relationship is purely mother/son-like.
** Its possible that Lancer dating Fuji in the sequel was meant to reassure readers about this.
8th May '14 7:09:01 PM Skritz
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*FridgeBrilliance: So why is [[spoiler:Kamina]] replacing Iskander as Rider? [[spoiler: Both are Epic LargeHam playing a certain mentor/big brother to someone who just doesn't see his own potential. Both led an army solely on their charisma. Both kept chasing after the dream of something no one was sure existed and ultimately both died while chasing that dream without feeling any regrets.]]
27th Jul '13 5:15:25 PM thezogg
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** Sola [[spoiler:killing Kayneth. While he ''was'' a JerkAss, the fact that Sola murders him after he gave her his Command Seals and that she murders him ''willingly'' (no curse that excuses her craziness) without any remorse whatsoever doesn't make her [[{{Understatement}} terribly sympathetic]].]}

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** Sola [[spoiler:killing Kayneth. While he ''was'' a JerkAss, the fact that Sola murders him after he gave her his Command Seals and that she murders him ''willingly'' (no curse that excuses her craziness) without any remorse whatsoever doesn't make her [[{{Understatement}} terribly sympathetic]].]}]]
27th Jul '13 5:14:56 PM thezogg
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** Sola [[spoiler:killing Kayneth. While he ''was'' a JerkAss, the fact that Sola murders him after he gave her his Command Seals and that she murders him ''willingly'' (no curse that excuses her craziness) without any remorse whatsoever doesn't make her [[{{Understatement}} terribly sympathetic]].]]

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** Sola [[spoiler:killing Kayneth. While he ''was'' a JerkAss, the fact that Sola murders him after he gave her his Command Seals and that she murders him ''willingly'' (no curse that excuses her craziness) without any remorse whatsoever doesn't make her [[{{Understatement}} terribly sympathetic]].]]]}
** Kirei and Wade stopped being funny when they killed [[spoiler: [[TheWoobie Illya]]]]



** [[spoiler: Illya's]] final thoughts are absolutely ''heartbreaking'': ''"Was I really like a flame [[spoiler: Berserker]]? Was I really beautiful before I burned out?"'' then TIM drives the knife in even deeper with her internally begging her dead mother and father to show up and save her as she dies.



** Poor, poor [[LockedOutOfTheLoop Aoi.]]

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** Poor, poor [[LockedOutOfTheLoop Aoi.]]
** Illya trumps them ALL by a long shot, made especially poignant [[spoiler: as she dies.
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