History YMMV / FateExtra

28th Apr '17 2:14:53 AM SpaceDrake
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* EvenBetterSequel: ''Extra'' was... a perfectly competent game from a mid-tier developer, with some interesting gameplay ideas and some nice visuals and music. ''CCC'', meanwhile, is (for all it occasionally gets a little excessively "lewd") widely considered one of the swan songs of the PSP and one of the finest [=RPGs=] released on the platform, with fantastic story and characters, a killer soundtrack, a number of improvements to the gameplay systems, and visuals that push the PSP to its limits in a number of places.

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* EvenBetterSequel: ''Extra'' was... a perfectly competent game from a mid-tier developer, with some interesting gameplay ideas and some nice visuals and music. ''CCC'', meanwhile, is (for all it occasionally gets a little excessively "lewd") widely considered one of the swan songs of the PSP in Japan and one of the finest [=RPGs=] released on the platform, with fantastic story and characters, a killer soundtrack, a number of improvements to the gameplay systems, and visuals that push the PSP to its limits in a number of places.places. (This makes a lot of people more than a little frustrated [[NoExportForYou that it never left Japan]].)
18th Mar '17 9:47:19 AM Scabbard
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** For Fate/Extra CCC, Passionlip received flak based entirely on her physical design. It's mostly on the fact that in the original Extra, the game had fairly good and interested character designs. Passionlip to many represents a blatant attempt at appeasing the people who felt that Extra wasn't ecchi enough like Fate/Stay Night was.

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** For Fate/Extra CCC, Passionlip received flak based entirely on her physical design. It's mostly on the fact that in the original Extra, the game had fairly good and interested interesting character designs. Passionlip to many represents a blatant attempt at appeasing the people who felt that Extra wasn't ecchi enough like Fate/Stay Night was.
14th Mar '17 5:25:19 AM lalaTKG
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** For MALE!Hakuno it's Hakuno/Caster. Male Hakuno/Gilgamesh also has a following in Japan.

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** For MALE!Hakuno it's Hakuno/Caster. Male Hakuno/Gilgamesh also has a following in Japan.Japan, as does Male Hakuno/Saber.
19th Feb '17 12:52:04 PM NervousShark
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** In the first game, no matter what path you follow the Lancer you fight will be a pain to fight due to their high attack and extremely high defense.[[spoiler:The Lancer from Rani's path is even worse because of his OneHitKO.]]

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** In the first game, no matter what path you follow the Lancer you fight will be a pain to fight due to their high attack and extremely high defense. [[spoiler:The Lancer from Rani's path is even worse because of his OneHitKO.]]
19th Feb '17 12:50:55 PM NervousShark
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* AwesomeEgo: Saber. She's got a bigger ego than Shinji, but rather than annoying, it just makes her [[ShapedLikeItself awesome]].
** And now, the ORIGINAL king is here. Even more awesome than his F/SN counterpart.
* BrokenBase: Wether or not ''CCC'' is better then the first game or not as good. Some claim the story was weaker, the new characters, and the excessive fanservice were not needed while many claim it was a huge update and is much better.

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* AwesomeEgo: AwesomeEgo:
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Saber. She's got a bigger ego than Shinji, but rather than annoying, it just makes her [[ShapedLikeItself awesome]].
** And now, the ORIGINAL king In ''CCC'', Gilgamesh is here. Even even more awesome than his F/SN counterpart.
* BrokenBase: Wether Whether or not ''CCC'' is better then the first game or not as good. Some claim the story was weaker, the new characters, and the excessive fanservice were not needed while many claim it was a huge update and is much better.



* FanPreferredCouple: [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Despite the amount of ships she has]], the most popular ship for FEM!Hakuno is Gilgamesh/Hakuno (which was shipped even ''before'' Gilgamesh was added).

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* FanPreferredCouple: FanPreferredCouple:
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[[LauncherOfAThousandShips Despite the amount of ships she has]], the most popular ship for FEM!Hakuno is Gilgamesh/Hakuno (which was shipped even ''before'' Gilgamesh was added).



* FetishRetardant: Saber's see-through skirt is not titillating so much as pointless and hilarious-looking. ''CCC'' takes it UpToEleven with Sakura's various "clones," particularly [[http://images.wikia.com/typemoon/images/9/9a/PLCCC.png Passionlip]]. And then there's the TrueFinalBoss, whose Noble Phantasm basically revolves around spreading their legs, sticking the planet Earth into their vagina, and attacking you with the resulting orgasm. Regardless of whether it's supposed to be FanService or actually intended as FanDisservice, the whole thing ends up looking rather [[{{Narm}} comical]].
* FoeYay: Leo, with the protagonists, [[spoiler: ''especially'' after they beat his brother and when they're both in the finals.]] He's rather excited at the thought of fighting them.

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* FetishRetardant: FetishRetardant:
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Saber's see-through skirt is not titillating so much as pointless and hilarious-looking. hilarious-looking.
**
''CCC'' takes it UpToEleven with Sakura's various "clones," particularly [[http://images.wikia.com/typemoon/images/9/9a/PLCCC.png Passionlip]]. And then there's the
** The
TrueFinalBoss, whose Noble Phantasm basically revolves around spreading their legs, sticking the planet Earth into their vagina, and attacking you with the resulting orgasm. Regardless of whether it's supposed to be FanService or actually intended as FanDisservice, the whole thing ends up looking rather [[{{Narm}} comical]].
* FoeYay: FoeYay:
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Leo, with the protagonists, [[spoiler: ''especially'' after they beat his brother and when they're both in the finals.]] He's rather excited at the thought of fighting them.



* HilariousInHindsight: This game ''almost'' answers the infamous Nasuverse PowerLevels question: [[spoiler: "Can [[VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}} Shiki]] kill [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Servants?]]"]]. The reason this is an "almost" is because [[spoiler: the Shiki is ''[[LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai Ryougi]]'' [[LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai Shiki]], and the Moon Cell isn't exactly the Holy Grail of the original series.]]
** Likewise a common question raised by fans is who would win between Gilgamesh and Karna. The game ''almost'' answers this because [[spoiler: Karna is suffering from ''two'' [[DramaPreservingHandicap Drama Preserving Handicaps]] due to not having his armor and having the worst Master in the franchise, and Gilgamesh has yet to reveal Ea when they fight.]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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This game ''almost'' answers the infamous Nasuverse PowerLevels question: [[spoiler: "Can [[VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}} Shiki]] kill [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Servants?]]"]]. The reason this is an "almost" is because [[spoiler: the Shiki is ''[[LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai Ryougi]]'' [[LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai Shiki]], and the Moon Cell isn't exactly the Holy Grail of the original series.]]
** Likewise a A common question raised by fans is who would win between Gilgamesh and Karna. The game ''almost'' answers this because [[spoiler: Karna is suffering from ''two'' [[DramaPreservingHandicap Drama Preserving Handicaps]] due to not having his armor and having the worst Master in the franchise, and Gilgamesh has yet to reveal Ea when they fight.]]



* HoYay: Some minor examples between a male MC and Archer, such as Dan's Archer making pointed comments about 'domestic strife' and the Week 7 Day 2 scene still playing out like a LoveConfession, though it's downright mild compared to the below; possibly [[spoiler: FoeYay between a male MC and Julius]], if you've got your ShippingGoggles on. Ronnie's Lancer, on the other hand, is as forthright with the Ho Yay - upon being confronted with the playable Archer - as you'd expect from his other lines.

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* HoYay: HoYay:
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Some minor examples between a male MC and Archer, such as Dan's Archer making pointed comments about 'domestic strife' and the Week 7 Day 2 scene still playing out like a LoveConfession, though it's downright mild compared to the below; possibly LoveConfession.
** There's
[[spoiler: FoeYay between a male MC and Julius]], if you've got your ShippingGoggles on. on.
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Ronnie's Lancer, on the other hand, is as forthright with the Ho Yay - upon being confronted with the playable Archer - as you'd expect from his other lines.



* LauncherOfAThousandShips: At [[http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/133-Insert-title-here-a-tribute-to-the-protagonists-of-fate-extra this point]], the female MC has been paired with ''everyone else in the entire franchise''.[[note]][[JustForPun Master Of A Thousand Servants?]][[/note]] So much that people started saying that she's inherited the [[VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}} Tohno]] [[MemeticMutation Gland]].

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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: LauncherOfAThousandShips:
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At [[http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/133-Insert-title-here-a-tribute-to-the-protagonists-of-fate-extra this point]], the female MC has been paired with ''everyone else in the entire franchise''.[[note]][[JustForPun Master Of A Thousand Servants?]][[/note]] So much that people started saying that she's inherited the [[VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}} Tohno]] [[MemeticMutation Gland]].



* TheScrappy: Gawain, for [[http://i.imgur.com/GM5Ls.png being a real dick to all three playable Servants]], historical accuracy be damned.

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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy:
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Gawain, for [[http://i.imgur.com/GM5Ls.png being a real dick to all three playable Servants]], historical accuracy be damned.



** For Fate/Extra CCC, Passionlip is already receiving flak based entirely on her physical design. It's mostly on the fact that in the original Extra, the game had fairly good and interested character designs. Passionlip to many represents a blatant attempt at appeasing the people who felt that Extra wasn't ecchi enough like Fate/Stay Night was.
** Subverted in the case of Shinji Matou. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Fans actually find his current incarnation toleratable]].

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** For Fate/Extra CCC, Passionlip is already receiving received flak based entirely on her physical design. It's mostly on the fact that in the original Extra, the game had fairly good and interested character designs. Passionlip to many represents a blatant attempt at appeasing the people who felt that Extra wasn't ecchi enough like Fate/Stay Night was.
** Subverted in the case of Shinji Matou. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Fans actually find his current incarnation toleratable]].
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* ThatOneBoss: In the first game, no matter what path you follow the Lancer you fight will be a pain to fight due to their high attack and extremely high defense.[[spoiler:The Lancer from Rani's paththough is even worse because of his OneHitKO.]]
** In Extra CCC, the boss fight with Karna is this if your playing as Caster because his attacks are punshing against [[SquishyMage Caster]] and his Noble Phantasm is almost a OneHitKO.

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* ThatOneBoss: ThatOneBoss:
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In the first game, no matter what path you follow the Lancer you fight will be a pain to fight due to their high attack and extremely high defense.[[spoiler:The Lancer from Rani's paththough path is even worse because of his OneHitKO.]]
** In Extra CCC, the boss fight with Karna is this if your playing as Caster because his attacks are punshing punishing against [[SquishyMage Caster]] and his Noble Phantasm is almost a OneHitKO.



** Although both story and gameplay have ''nothing'' similar.



* WakeUpCallBoss: Rider in the first game is the first boss you face but one of the hardest because you'll likely be not used to the game yet and be adjusting only for her to kick your ass if you failed to beat Shinji and her in the treasure event. Her punishing physically attacks can destroy a GlassCannon build character in one turn and her Noble Phantasm is a nightmare.

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* WakeUpCallBoss: WakeUpCallBoss:
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Rider in the first game is the first boss you face but one of the hardest because you'll likely be not used to the game yet and be adjusting only for her to kick your ass if you failed to beat Shinji and her in the treasure event. Her punishing physically attacks can destroy a GlassCannon build character in one turn and her Noble Phantasm is a nightmare.
9th Dec '16 9:43:50 PM lalaTKG
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* BrokenBase: Wether or not CCC is better then the first game or not as good. Some claim the story was weaker, the new characters, and the excessive fanservice were not needed while many claim it was a huge update and is much better.

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* BrokenBase: Wether or not CCC ''CCC'' is better then the first game or not as good. Some claim the story was weaker, the new characters, and the excessive fanservice were not needed while many claim it was a huge update and is much better.



* FanPreferredCouple: [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Despite the amount of shipping she has]], the most popular ship for FEM!Hakuno is Gilgamesh/Hakuno (which was shipped even ''before'' Gilgamesh was added).
** For MALE!Hakuno it's Hakuno/Caster. Male Hakuno/Gilgamesh also have a following in Japan.

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* FanPreferredCouple: [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Despite the amount of shipping ships she has]], the most popular ship for FEM!Hakuno is Gilgamesh/Hakuno (which was shipped even ''before'' Gilgamesh was added).
** For MALE!Hakuno it's Hakuno/Caster. Male Hakuno/Gilgamesh also have has a following in Japan.



* ThatOneAttack:
** In CCC, Lancer's Tail attack is unfair. If you block the attack, you still take some damage, but you get stunned which leaves it open for her to attack you right away. If you don't block, you take a good amount of damage, and since she's already a WakeUpCallBoss, it means you'll likely be having issues trying to keep your HP up to survive.
* ThatOneBoss: In the first game, no matter what path you follow the Lancer you fight will be a pain to fight due to their high attack and extremely high defense.[[spoiler:The Lancer from Rani's paththough is even worse because of his OneHitKO.]]
** In Extra CCC, the boss fight with Karna is this if your playing as Caster because his attacks are punshing against [[SquishyMage Caster]] and his Noble Phantasm is almost a OneHitKO.


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* ThatOneAttack:
** In CCC, Lancer's Tail attack is unfair. If you block the attack, you still take some damage, but you get stunned which leaves it open for her to attack you right away. If you don't block, you take a good amount of damage, and since she's already a WakeUpCallBoss, it means you'll likely be having issues trying to keep your HP up to survive.
* ThatOneBoss: In the first game, no matter what path you follow the Lancer you fight will be a pain to fight due to their high attack and extremely high defense.[[spoiler:The Lancer from Rani's paththough is even worse because of his OneHitKO.]]
** In Extra CCC, the boss fight with Karna is this if your playing as Caster because his attacks are punshing against [[SquishyMage Caster]] and his Noble Phantasm is almost a OneHitKO.
6th Nov '16 5:55:20 PM BlackDestiny
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Judging by the huge amount of fanarts and [[LauncherOfAThousandShips shippings]] she has, itís safe to say that the fandom ''loves'' the female MC.
** Everyone and their mum loves Karna.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Judging by the huge amount of fanarts and [[LauncherOfAThousandShips shippings]] she has, itís safe to say that the fandom ''loves'' the female MC.
**
Everyone and their mum loves Karna.
22nd Oct '16 10:06:27 PM Scabbard
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* EvenBetterSequel: ''Extra'' was... a perfectly competent game from a mid-tier developer, with some interesting gameplay ideas and some nice visuals and music. ''CCC'', meanwhile, is (for all it occasionally gets a little excessively "lewd") widely considered one of the swan songs of the PSP and one of the finest [=RPGs=] released on the platform, with fantastic story & characters, a killer soundtrack, a number of improvements to the gameplay systems, and visuals that push the PSP to its limits in a number of places.

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* EvenBetterSequel: ''Extra'' was... a perfectly competent game from a mid-tier developer, with some interesting gameplay ideas and some nice visuals and music. ''CCC'', meanwhile, is (for all it occasionally gets a little excessively "lewd") widely considered one of the swan songs of the PSP and one of the finest [=RPGs=] released on the platform, with fantastic story & and characters, a killer soundtrack, a number of improvements to the gameplay systems, and visuals that push the PSP to its limits in a number of places.
29th Sep '16 9:29:53 PM SpaceDrake
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* EvenBetterSequel: ''Extra'' was... a perfectly competent game from a mid-tier developer, with some interesting gameplay ideas and some nice visuals and music. ''CCC'', meanwhile, is (for all it occasionally gets a little excessively "lewd") widely considered one of the swan songs of the PSP and one of the finest [=RPGs=] released on the platform, with fantastic story & characters, a killer soundtrack, a number of improvements to the gameplay systems, and visuals that push the PSP to its limits in a number of places.
24th Sep '16 9:58:21 AM Immortalbear
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* FetishRetardant: Saber's see-through skirt is not titillating so much as pointless and hilarious-looking. Similarly, some shots of the new costumes in ''CCC'' cause her and Caster to look like they have GagBoobs to the point of becoming unappealing. ''CCC'' takes it UpToEleven with Sakura's various "clones," particularly [[http://images.wikia.com/typemoon/images/9/9a/PLCCC.png Passionlip]]. And then there's the TrueFinalBoss, whose Noble Phantasm basically revolves around spreading their legs, sticking the planet Earth into their vagina, and attacking you with the resulting orgasm. Regardless of whether it's supposed to be FanService or actually intended as FanDisservice, the whole thing ends up looking rather [[{{Narm}} comical]].

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* FetishRetardant: Saber's see-through skirt is not titillating so much as pointless and hilarious-looking. Similarly, some shots of the new costumes in ''CCC'' cause her and Caster to look like they have GagBoobs to the point of becoming unappealing. ''CCC'' takes it UpToEleven with Sakura's various "clones," particularly [[http://images.wikia.com/typemoon/images/9/9a/PLCCC.png Passionlip]]. And then there's the TrueFinalBoss, whose Noble Phantasm basically revolves around spreading their legs, sticking the planet Earth into their vagina, and attacking you with the resulting orgasm. Regardless of whether it's supposed to be FanService or actually intended as FanDisservice, the whole thing ends up looking rather [[{{Narm}} comical]].
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