History YMMV / Fantasia

6th Nov '17 3:41:01 AM BlackSwan81
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** The whole centaur section, arguably. With or without Sunflower, the scene basically depicts all centaurettes as vain, lazy, and/or boy-crazy, with nothing to do or think about except fixing up their hair, makeup, and [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal accessories]] to look pretty. What's more, the AmazingTechnicolorPopulation of centaurs and centaurettes [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything all pair up with a partner of the exact same color]].

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** The whole centaur section, arguably. With or without Sunflower, the scene basically depicts all centaurettes as vain, lazy, and/or boy-crazy, with nothing to do or think about except fixing up their hair, makeup, and [[AccessoryWearingCartoonAnimal accessories]] to look pretty. What's more, the AmazingTechnicolorPopulation of centaurs and centaurettes [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything [[BirdsOfAFeather all pair up with a partner of the exact same color]].
12th Oct '17 8:04:50 PM MrMediaGuy2
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* HypeBacklash: Many people who prefer more narrative-driven works find the film to be boring due to its lack of a true story, and fail to see it as the masterpiece everyone else hypes it up to be.
25th Aug '17 8:55:43 PM Nicoaln
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* SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel: The entire "Pastoral Symphony" segment. Really, you have to wonder if Walt managed to create [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Equestria]] half a century before Creator/LaurenFaust.

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* SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel: The entire "Pastoral Symphony" segment. Really, you have to wonder if Walt managed to create [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Equestria]] half a century before Creator/LaurenFaust.Creator/LaurenFaust made it popular in The New Tens.
10th Jun '17 7:53:02 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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* SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel: The entire "Pastoral Symphony" segment. Really, you have to wonder if Walt managed to create [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Equestria]] half a century before Creator/LaurenFaust.
10th Apr '17 1:22:16 PM Eilevgmyhren
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** Also, prior to the soundtrack bit, one of the double bass players initiates a short swing session in the orchestra by picking a few notes on his instrument.

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** Also, prior to the soundtrack bit, one of the double bass players initiates a short swing session in the orchestra by picking a few notes on his instrument. Note that the bass riff setting off the short jam session is ripped, note by note, from the opening of the fourth movement of the Pastoral Symphony. The bass player actually ''converts a Beethoven piece into a jazz tune''.
8th Oct '16 5:17:50 PM BrendanRizzo
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* EveryoneIsSatanInHell: When the film first came out, there were some critics who were convinced that the makers had fascist sympathies because of [[InsaneTrollLogic portraying humanity as insignificant compared with nature]].
3rd Oct '16 9:57:52 PM jameygamer
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** In its initial release, Fantasia was sold on the novelty of having visuals specifically created to match pre-existing music. While this novelty may be lost for most people, especially for those raised on music videos. Many others argue the overall quality of film itself, along with other aspects, has kept it from aging.

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** In its initial release, Fantasia ''Fantasia'' was sold on the novelty of having visuals specifically created to match pre-existing music. While this novelty may be lost for most people, especially for those raised on music videos. Many others argue the overall quality of film itself, along with other aspects, has kept it from aging.
3rd Aug '16 6:23:29 PM 04tele
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** Same introduction also has Taylor start by saying, "You know, it's funny how wrong an artist can be about his own work." Tchaikovsky hated ''The Nutcracker Suite'', and Taylor says that's the most popular of his works, a classic case of MagnumOpusDissonance. This would apply to '''Walt Disney''' the next year with ''Disney/{{Dumbo}}'', a film that he was not fond of, but is considered to be one of the great Disney Animated Classics.
25th Jul '16 7:18:26 PM HeraldAlberich
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: One [=YouTube=] comment brought this up regarding Zeus/Jupiter's behavior in the Pastoral symphony. He seemed to be going ''specifically'' for Dionysus/Bacchus with his lightning bolts, never seeming to actually ''hurt'' anyone else. The commenter said that maybe Zeus was just being a JerkassGod like he's normally been portrayed, disrupting a festival for no reason other than it amused him... or maybe he was simply trying to test his son in his own... unusual way by [[EnforcedMethodActing interrupting a celebration when he'd least expect it]].
** It also helps that, since Dionysus/Bacchus is just as immortal as his father, it's not like the lightning bolts will actually hurt him (the unicorn donkey is another story). He's not putting his son in any actual danger.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: It's a given - this was part of the point of ''Fantasia'' anyways.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The roadshow version of the original has a moment during the introduction of ''The Rite Of Spring'' where the orchestra's percussionist accidentally knocks over his chimes for no narrative purpose.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: One [=YouTube=] comment brought this up regarding Zeus/Jupiter's behavior in the Pastoral symphony. He seemed to be going ''specifically'' for Dionysus/Bacchus with his lightning bolts, never seeming to actually ''hurt'' anyone else. The commenter said that maybe Zeus was just being a JerkassGod like he's normally been portrayed, disrupting a festival for no reason other than it amused him... or maybe he was simply trying to test his son in his own... unusual way by [[EnforcedMethodActing interrupting a celebration when he'd least expect it]].
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it]]. It also helps that, since Dionysus/Bacchus is just as immortal as his father, it's not like the lightning bolts will actually hurt him (the unicorn donkey is another story). He's not putting his son in any actual danger.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: It's a given - this given--this was part of the point of ''Fantasia'' anyways.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
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The roadshow version of the original has a moment during the introduction of ''The Rite Of of Spring'' where the orchestra's percussionist accidentally knocks over his chimes for no narrative purpose.



* DancingBear: In its initial release, Fantasia was sold on the novelty of having visuals specifically created to match pre-existing music. While this novelty may be lost for most people, especially for those raised on music videos. Many others argue the overall quality of film itself, along with other aspects, has kept it from aging.
** "The Rite of Spring" - Would you believe that this actually was pushing the limits of what would be allowed to be shown onscreen about the creation of Earth at the time?
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Apart from Mickey as the Sorcerer's Apprentice (which became a major Disney mascot, especially to Imagineering and Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo and ''Walt Disney "Black Diamond" Classics''), who is the character everyone remembers? Let us give you a hint: [[EvilIsCool how many tropes listed on this page are dedicated to Chernabog?]]

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* DancingBear: DancingBear:
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In its initial release, Fantasia was sold on the novelty of having visuals specifically created to match pre-existing music. While this novelty may be lost for most people, especially for those raised on music videos. Many others argue the overall quality of film itself, along with other aspects, has kept it from aging.
** Would you believe that "The Rite of Spring" - Would you believe that this actually was pushing the limits of what would be allowed to be shown onscreen about the creation of Earth at the time?
* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Apart from Mickey as the Sorcerer's Apprentice (which became a major Disney mascot, especially to Imagineering and Imagineering, Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo and ''Walt Walt Disney "Black Diamond" Classics''), Classics), who is the character everyone remembers? Let us give you a hint: [[EvilIsCool how many tropes listed on this page are dedicated to Chernabog?]]



* EvilIsCool: Between the ''Night on Bald Mountain'' and ''Ave Maria'' sections, representing in turn the profane and the sacred. Take a guess which one has burned itself into people's memories the most.
* HilariousInHindsight: The introduction to the ''Rite of Spring'' segment has Deems say that dinosaurs had the brains of pigeons. Be more accurate to say the reverse, nowadays.
** And in the introduction to the ''Nutcracker'' segment of the original roadshow where Deem states that nobody performs the ballet nowadays. Skip to 70 years later where said ballet is arguably the most well-known and most performed ballet in the world.
** Same introduction also has Taylor start by saying, "You it's funny how wrong an artist can be about his own work." Tchaikovsky hated ''The Nutcracker Suite'', and Taylor says that's the most popular of his works, a classic case of MagnumOpusDissonance. This would apply to '''Walt Disney''' the next year with ''Disney/{{Dumbo}}'', a film that he was not fond of, but is considered to be one of the great Disney Animated Classics.

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* EvilIsCool: Between the ''Night "Night on Bald Mountain'' Mountain" and ''Ave Maria'' "Ave Maria" sections, representing in turn the profane and the sacred. Take a guess which one has burned itself into people's memories the most.
* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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The introduction to the ''Rite "Rite of Spring'' Spring" segment has Deems say that dinosaurs had the brains of pigeons. Be more accurate to say the reverse, nowadays.
** And in the introduction to the ''Nutcracker'' "Nutcracker" segment of the original roadshow where Deem states that nobody performs the ballet nowadays. Skip to 70 years later where later, when said ballet is arguably the most well-known and most performed ballet in the world.
** Same introduction also has Taylor start by saying, "You know, it's funny how wrong an artist can be about his own work." Tchaikovsky hated ''The Nutcracker Suite'', and Taylor says that's the most popular of his works, a classic case of MagnumOpusDissonance. This would apply to '''Walt Disney''' the next year with ''Disney/{{Dumbo}}'', a film that he was not fond of, but is considered to be one of the great Disney Animated Classics.



** On a less offensive level, the dancing mushrooms, which are clearly made to resemble old-fashioned Asian caricatures with slit-eyes and those funny cymbal-shaped hats. Granted, that segment of classical music is called the ''Chinese Dance.'' Now that the YellowPeril is a dead trope, the funny little dance can be appreciated as straight-out humor, but it was certainly intentional at the time.

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** On a less offensive level, the dancing mushrooms, which are clearly made to resemble old-fashioned Asian caricatures with slit-eyes and those funny cymbal-shaped hats. Granted, that segment of classical music is called the ''Chinese "Chinese Dance.'' " Now that the YellowPeril is a dead trope, the funny little dance can be appreciated as straight-out humor, but it was certainly intentional at the time.



* VindicatedByHistory: When it was first released, Fantasia was a box-office flop and the reaction from critics was polarizing at best (World War II had also broken out the year prior, cutting off the European cinema market; this also downed ''Pinocchio'', which had been released earlier in 1940, and it downed Walt when the strike and the U.S. military took animators away from him for the rest of the decade). Nowadays, the film is considered one of the best of the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon if not one of the best films of WesternAnimation period.
* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: One of the late Creator/WaltDisney's greatest pieces of animation. Some of the special effects were so spectacular for the time that film historians were at a loss as to how they were created. Disney themselves had few clues, as the camera team dismantled every rig immediately after shooting and kept no official record of what they had done. Fortunately, one particular technician, named Herman Schultheis, kept a private record of every effect he worked on and this notebook was rediscovered in the 1990s, revealing the complex - and quite inspired - filming techniques the team employed. Fortunately, as of 2014, the "Lost Notebook" has finally been released to the public by author John Canemaker.

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* VindicatedByHistory: When it was first released, Fantasia ''Fantasia'' was a box-office flop and the reaction from critics was polarizing at best (World War II (UsefulNotes/WorldWarII had also broken out the year prior, cutting off the European cinema market; this also downed ''Pinocchio'', ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'', which had been released earlier in 1940, and it downed Walt when the strike and the U.S. military took animators away from him for the rest of the decade). Nowadays, the film is considered one of the best of the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon if not one of the best films of WesternAnimation period.
* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: One of the late Creator/WaltDisney's greatest pieces of animation. Some of the special effects were so spectacular for the time that film historians were at a loss as to how they were created. Disney themselves had few clues, as the camera team dismantled every rig immediately after shooting and kept no official record of what they had done. Fortunately, one particular technician, named Herman Schultheis, kept a private record of every effect he worked on and this notebook was rediscovered in the 1990s, revealing the complex - and complex--and quite inspired - filming inspired--filming techniques the team employed. Fortunately, as of 2014, the "Lost Notebook" has finally been released to the public by author John Canemaker.
14th Jun '16 12:40:28 AM Adept
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* NightmareRetardant: The serenity to the "Ave Maria" segment, perfect foil to the terrifying "Night on Bald Mountain".
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