History YMMV / FairyTail

22nd Oct '17 7:44:29 PM KOman
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** Acnologia received considerable derision for this by the end. [[EvilIsCool While he was initially quite popular]] and got readers interested in learning more about him, he ends up having very little of his backstory revealed. [[spoiler:The audience only learns shortly before his defeat that he bears a grudge against Dragons for causing death and destruction, [[MoralMyopia which doesn't exactly gel with Acnologia's current OmnicidalManiac tendencies]]. How Acnologia learned Dragon Slayer Magic (he is presumably a 1st Gen Dragon Slayer, meaning he would have been taught by one of the species that he hates so much), or what exactly he was doing for the few centuries between wiping out most of the Dragons and the present story, go unexplained.]]
14th Oct '17 8:58:55 AM Prometheus117
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** If RealLife history is anything to go by, what's left of the Alvarez Empire is gonna be in for one of these. Without a designated heir for Emperor Spriggan's throne, the ''best'' possible scenario will be one hell of a political shitstorm in the country, aggravated further by the cataclysmic number of casualties in the military in a failed campaign against Ishgal. ''Maybe'' there will be a consensus pick for a new monarch, or maybe democratic reform. But the worst case scenario? Civil war. The country is ripped apart from the inside by warring factions vying for the throne or for independence, and what's left of the Spriggan Twelve either can't keep order, or joins in, themselves. Either way, without outside help, the Empire is in for a major, country-changing crisis that could very well lead to its undoing, and its citizens will suffer for it.

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** If RealLife history is anything to go by, what's left of the Alvarez Empire is gonna be in for one of these. Without a designated heir for Emperor Spriggan's throne, the ''best'' possible scenario will be one hell of a political shitstorm in the country, aggravated further by the cataclysmic number of casualties in the military in a failed campaign against Ishgal. ''Maybe'' there will be a consensus pick for a new monarch, or maybe democratic reform. But the worst case scenario? Civil war. The country is ripped apart from the inside by warring factions vying for the throne or for independence, and what's left of the Spriggan Twelve either can't keep order, or joins in, themselves. Either way, without outside help, the Empire is in for a major, country-changing crisis that could very well lead to its undoing, and its citizens will suffer for it. [[spoiler:Thankfully, Lucy's narration reveals Ishgar ''did'' in fact send in outside help, so that at least was averted]].
12th Oct '17 11:23:07 PM KOman
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** The Alvarez Empire has no presence in the story up until the arc focused on it despite supposedly being a looming threat toward Ishgal throughout the series. Then we learn who its Emperor is: [[spoiler:Zeref, who had been portrayed as TheAloner because of his curse killing all life around him as long as he values it. He claims that he's able to avoid killing his empire's citizens by not viewing them as people, yet he's able to maintain a good enough relationship with them that they still adore him, making his previous issues with killing those around him seem self-inflicted. It also calls into question what he was doing on Sirius Island when he has an empire to rule.]]

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** The Alvarez Empire has no presence in the story up until the arc focused on it despite supposedly being a looming threat toward Ishgal throughout the series. Then we learn who its Emperor is: [[spoiler:Zeref, Zeref, who had been portrayed as TheAloner because of his curse killing all life around him as long as he values it. He claims that he's able to avoid killing his empire's citizens by not viewing them as people, yet he's able to maintain a good enough relationship with them that they still adore him, making his previous issues with killing those around him seem self-inflicted. Zeref's dynamic with his empire also comes off as inconsistent given his hostility toward all the previous antagonists who expressed loyalty or even worship toward him, even to a guild full of demons who are hard-wired to kill him [[DeathSeeker as he wishes]] (which becomes even more bizarre when one member of his PraetorianGuard is revealed to be a demon with all the same abilities as the demon guild). It also calls into question what he was doing on Sirius Island when he has an empire to rule.]]


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* Zeref's angst about his PowerIncontinence killing anyone that he tries to bond with becomes this in light of TheReveal that he's the Emperor of Alvarez. He attempts to HandWave his curse not killing anyone by claiming that he views his subjects as pawns rather than people, but [[ShowDontTell this doesn't mesh]] with the benevolent dynamic we see between him and his subjects, especially when compared to other {{ArcVillain}}s like Brain or Arlock who were much more overtly callous toward their subordinates. As a result, much of Zeref's previous issues come of as self-inflicted from someone who has plenty of subjects for company and yet still {{Wangst}}s about not being accepted.
9th Oct '17 10:57:07 PM KOman
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** The Alvarez Empire has no presence in the story up until the arc focused on it despite supposedly being a looming threat toward Ishgal throughout the series. Then we learn who its Emperor is: [[spoiler:Zeref, who had been portrayed as TheAloner because of his curse killing all life around him as long as he values it. He claims that he's able to avoid killing his empire's citizens by not viewing them as people, yet he's able to maintain a good enough relationship with them that they still adore him, making his previous issues with killing those around him seem self-inflicted. It also calls into question what he was doing on Sirius Island when he has an empire to rule.]]
9th Oct '17 6:54:21 PM Eagal
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** Another one that has been developing has been the idea that Mashima was being forced to rush the series to it's end by his editor or rushed it to just be done with it. Some fans cite the atrocious pacing of the finale arc after [[spoiler: Irene cast universe one]] where many of the issues under Bile Fascination really began to occur.

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** Another one that has been developing has been the idea that Mashima was being forced to rush the series to it's its end by his editor or rushed it to just be done with it. Some fans cite the atrocious pacing of the finale arc after [[spoiler: Irene cast universe one]] where many of the issues under Bile Fascination really began to occur.
9th Oct '17 6:52:59 PM Eagal
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** [[spoiler: August's defeat reeks of this. His fight with Gildarts and Cana is incredibly [[CurbStompBattle one-sided]] for the most part. Even after they figure out how his magic works and land a solid blow on him, the fight is still clearly in August's favor, as Gildarts' attack appears to have barely hurt him, and the artificial arm required to get past August's PowerNullifier broke in the process. Then, out of nowhere, August decides that the best course of action is to destroy both himself and Fairy Tail in one massive [[TakingYouWithMe suicide attack]], despite the fact that he's in far better shape than his opponents. Upon seeing Mavis, he decides to limit his suicide attack to himself after realizing that he can't bring himself to hurt his mother, leading to the purported strongest mage in Alvarez dying a contrived, anticlimactic death.]]

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** [[spoiler: August's defeat reeks of this.defeat. His fight with Gildarts and Cana is incredibly [[CurbStompBattle one-sided]] for the most part. Even after they figure out how his magic works and land a solid blow on him, the fight is still clearly in August's favor, as Gildarts' attack appears to have barely hurt him, and the artificial arm required to get past August's PowerNullifier broke in the process. Then, out of nowhere, August decides that the best course of action is to destroy both himself and Fairy Tail in one massive [[TakingYouWithMe suicide attack]], despite the fact that he's in far better shape than his opponents. Upon seeing Mavis, he decides to limit his suicide attack to himself after realizing that he can't bring himself to hurt his mother, leading to the purported strongest mage in Alvarez dying a contrived, anticlimactic death.]]



* DracoInLeatherPants: Ultear, pre-HeelFaceTurn. Her known atrocities are slaughtering Merudy's village, brainwashing Jellal into continuing the Tower of Heaven after the slave revolt, leaving him a reviled criminal in the eyes of most characters, and assisting Lyon in trying to revive a demon who slaughtered several characters' families (he at least wanted to prove that he could kill it, she was planning on using it to wreak havoc). Her motivation, while admittedly sympathetic and working under the belief that all her crimes will be erased, reeks of PoorCommunicationKills by not revealing herself to Ur before deciding that Ur had forgotten about her. Even now that she's TheAtoner, her [[KarmaHoudini only punishment]] was [[DangerousForbiddenTechnique self-inflicted]]. Despite all this, her character has been received quite positively, especially in comparison to the [[BaseBreakingCharacter guy whose crimes were forced by her]].

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Ultear, pre-HeelFaceTurn. Her known atrocities are slaughtering Merudy's village, brainwashing Jellal into continuing the Tower of Heaven after the slave revolt, leaving him a reviled criminal in the eyes of most characters, and assisting Lyon in trying to revive a demon who slaughtered several characters' families (he at least wanted to prove that he could kill it, she was planning on using it to wreak havoc). Her motivation, while admittedly sympathetic and working under the belief that all her crimes will be erased, reeks of is PoorCommunicationKills by not revealing herself to Ur before deciding that Ur had forgotten about her. Even now that she's TheAtoner, her [[KarmaHoudini only punishment]] was [[DangerousForbiddenTechnique self-inflicted]]. Despite all this, her character has been received quite positively, especially in comparison to the [[BaseBreakingCharacter guy whose crimes were forced by her]].
9th Oct '17 6:48:12 PM Eagal
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** Chapter 531: Motion sickness, a WeaksauceWeakness among Dragon Slayers usually PlayedForLaughs, is seriously used to [[spoiler:incapacitate Acnologia]]. Worse still, this later becomes crucial to [[spoiler:his defeat.]]

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** Chapter 531: Motion sickness, a WeaksauceWeakness among Dragon Slayers usually PlayedForLaughs, is seriously used to [[spoiler:incapacitate Acnologia]]. Worse still, this later Acnologia]] and becomes crucial to [[spoiler:his defeat.]]
9th Oct '17 6:44:19 PM Eagal
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** On a lesser note, the reveal that August [[spoiler: is a [[PowerCopying Copy Mage]] instead of simply mastering all forms of magic like he was originally billed somewhat undermined his credentials for many readers.]]
9th Oct '17 6:40:43 PM Eagal
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** Chapter 536. In another villainous example, this chapter makes it seem as though [[spoiler: both Zeref and Acnologia]] are defeated simultaneously. The main problem with this is that [[InterfaceSpoiler the chapter's title page states that there are still ten chapters left]], and despite vowing to kill him, [[spoiler: Natsu has yet to even interact with Acnologia, who was merely [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]]. Guess who breaks out of the seal a few chapters later?]]

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** Chapter 536. In another villainous example, this chapter makes it seem as though [[spoiler: both Zeref and Acnologia]] are defeated simultaneously. The main problem with this is that [[InterfaceSpoiler the chapter's title page states that there are still ten chapters left]], and despite vowing to kill him, [[spoiler: Natsu has yet to even interact with Acnologia, who was merely [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]]. Guess who breaks out of the seal a few chapters later?]]]]



** Not to mention Juvia, for [[StalkerWithACrush obvious reasons.]]

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** Not Juvia due to mention Juvia, for [[StalkerWithACrush obvious reasons.]]her StalkerWithACrush attitude towards Gray.
6th Oct '17 11:05:11 AM Megadoomer
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** The only thing surprising about Irene's relation to Erza was how long the story delayed such an obvious reveal. [[spoiler:Then we're told that she's the Queen of Dragons and the creator of Dragon Slayer Magic, despite there being nothing obvious about Irene beforehand having hinted at any relation to the Dragons. Zirconis' story about the origin of Dragon Slayer Magic all but stated that the Dragon who started the Dragon King Festival to protect humanity was Igneel, not a Dragon named Belserion that we had never heard of before. A particular issue is Acnologia, who displayed the ability to smell all the Dragon Slayers across the continent, yet had absolutely no interest in Irene until he was goaded into a fight. When brought up, Hiro claims that he always planned for Irene to create Dragon Slayer Magic, but hadn't decided on her relationship with Erza, and had to leave out any aspects of her backstory before then.]]

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** The only thing surprising about Irene's relation to Erza was how long the story delayed such an obvious reveal. [[spoiler:Then we're told that she's the Queen of Dragons and the creator of Dragon Slayer Magic, despite there being nothing obvious about Irene beforehand having hinted at any relation to the Dragons. Zirconis' story about the origin of Dragon Slayer Magic all but stated that the Dragon who started the Dragon King Festival to protect humanity was Igneel, not a Dragon named Belserion that we had never heard of before. A particular issue is Acnologia, who displayed the ability to smell all the Dragon Slayers across the continent, yet had absolutely no interest in Irene until he was goaded into a fight. When brought up, Hiro claims that he always planned for Irene to create Dragon Slayer Magic, but hadn't decided on her relationship with Erza, and had to leave out any aspects of her backstory before then.]]
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