History YMMV / FairyTail

25th Apr '17 3:38:11 PM Prometheus117
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* {{Anvilicious}}: The series is infamous for laying the "friendship solves everything" moral rather thick. While ThePowerOfFriendship is common amongst shonen, ''Fairy Tail'' in particular earns scorn for frequently preaching its importance and rarely teaching anything else.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: The series is infamous for laying the "friendship solves everything" moral rather thick. While ThePowerOfFriendship is common amongst shonen, ''Fairy Tail'' in particular earns scorn for frequently preaching its importance and rarely teaching anything else.else, even if it's more or less explicitly shown to be a magical power to make it {{justified}} in the setting.
25th Apr '17 4:11:58 AM WorstEditorEver
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** The Alvarez Empire as a whole. A utopian, prosperous nation ruled by a benevolent (at least, [[VillainWithGoodPublicity domestically]]) monarch where non-mages and mages live together in peace not terribly different from Ishgal and Fiore in particular, or a brutal, militaristic, classic example of TheEmpire whose citizens are blind to the suffering Alvarez causes to the nations it attacks because of their own nationalistic pride? The fact that Alvarez [[AboveGoodAndEvil makes no distinction between light and dark magic]] and is ruled by [[spoiler:[[BigBad Zeref]]]], a man universally feared in Ishgal but beloved by Alvarez' citizens, also makes for some InUniverse ValuesDissonance, something a lot of fans would have liked to have seen explored.
22nd Apr '17 11:35:44 AM LISBOAH
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** Once Zeref revealed the truth about his plan,[[spoiler: a RetGone by going back to the past and prevent himself of becoming immortal]] the RootingForEmpire expanded. [[spoiler: Let's just count how many tragedies occured, both directly and indirectly, because of Zeref that were the cause behind many DarkAndTroubledPasts (like Gray, Erza, Jellal, etc), the StartOfDarkness of others (like the entirety of Oracion Seis, Hades) and the birth of evil organizations (like Tartaros and Avatar) and the creation of objects used for evil intents (like R-System and Eclipse) and we see that a world where Zeref died is clearly a better one. Some could actually say that Fairy Tail are being idiotic by fighting to maintain the StatusQuo rather than considering that a world cleansed of Zeref and all the suffering he brought would be better for everyone.]]

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** Once Zeref revealed the truth about his plan,[[spoiler: a RetGone by going back to the past and prevent himself of becoming immortal]] the RootingForEmpire RootingForTheEmpire expanded. [[spoiler: Let's just count how many tragedies occured, both directly and indirectly, because of Zeref that were the cause behind many DarkAndTroubledPasts DarkAndTroubledPast (like Gray, Erza, Jellal, etc), the StartOfDarkness of others (like the entirety of Oracion Seis, Seis and Hades) and the birth of evil organizations (like Tartaros and Avatar) and the creation of objects used for evil intents (like R-System and Eclipse) and we see that a world where Zeref died is clearly a better one. Some could actually say that Fairy Tail are being idiotic by fighting to maintain the StatusQuo of the current world rather than considering that a world cleansed of Zeref and all the suffering he brought would be better for everyone.]]
22nd Apr '17 11:33:57 AM LISBOAH
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** Once Zeref revealed the truth about his plan,[[spoiler: a RetGone by going back to the past and prevent himself of becoming immortal]] the RootingForEmpire expanded. [[spoiler: Let's just count how many tragedies occured, both directly and indirectly, because of Zeref that were the cause behind many DarkAndTroubledPasts (like Gray, Erza, Jellal, etc), the StartOfDarkness of others (like the entirety of Oracion Seis, Hades) and the birth of evil organizations (like Tartaros and Avatar) and the creation of objects used for evil intents (like R-System and Eclipse) and we see that a world where Zeref died is clearly a better one. Some could actually say that Fairy Tail are being idiotic by fighting to maintain the StatusQuo rather than considering that a world cleansed of Zeref and all the suffering he brought would be better for everyone.]]
22nd Apr '17 5:31:32 AM WorstEditorEver
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*** 532 confirmed it outright that they did the deed. Complete with a SexyDiscretionShot... [[UpToEleven in full color]].
10th Apr '17 7:25:34 AM Prometheus117
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*** The reveal of his potential plan open another case of this. [[spoiler: Will resetting everything destroy the present timeline or will the timeline remain untouched just with zeref and Acnologia gone. Does Zeref even know? Is it possiable that he has been so broken by ankhseram curse that he is willing to do something which result he has no clue of if it would end his suffering. Would it reset everything so that the misery he suffered and caused would never happen leading to a happy ending for all as he claims? One can even ask if Zeref is even telling the truth and infact has something else in mind?]]

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*** The reveal of his potential plan open opens another case of this. [[spoiler: Will resetting everything destroy the present timeline or will the timeline remain untouched just with zeref Zeref and Acnologia gone. gone? Does Zeref even know? Is it possiable possible that he has been so broken by ankhseram Ankhseram's curse that he is willing to do something which result he has no clue of if it would end his suffering. suffering? Would it reset everything so that the misery he suffered and caused would never happen happen, leading to a happy ending for all as he claims? One can even ask if Zeref is even telling the truth and infact in fact has something else in mind?]]mind.]]
9th Apr '17 3:42:15 PM jokevv
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*** The reveal of his potential plan open another case of this. [[spoiler: Will resetting everything destroy the present timeline or will the timeline remain untouched just with zeref and Acnologia gone. Does Zeref even know? Is it possiable that he has been so broken by ankhseram curse that he is willing to do something which result he has no clue of if it would end his suffering. Would it reset everything so that the misery he suffered and caused would never happen leading to a happy ending for all as he claims? One can even ask if Zeref is even telling the truth and infact has something else in mind?]]
8th Apr '17 3:18:31 PM Prometheus117
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*** However, [[WhamEpisode Chapter 530]] reveals this [[spoiler:is a {{Subversion}}, as not only did Zeref know about said plan, it directly correlates to his ''own'' [[ResetButton grand]] [[RetGone plan]]...which if Anna knew about, she would likely immediately abandon it]].
8th Apr '17 11:24:19 AM Eagal
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** Chapter 529, '''hoo boy''', did it become this with TheReveal of [[spoiler:[[EleventhHourRanger Anna Heartfilia]] and her [[TimeParadox plan]] to stop Acnologia]]. Some people threw up their hands in frustration at a [[DeusExMachina blatant and far too sudden answer]] to [[spoiler:the problem of facing Acnologia (a solution that looks [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks far too similar to another]] [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim plan to stop a black dragon]] at that), as well as not buying into Anna's explanation for why she didn't reveal herself sooner, ''especially'' to Zeref considering their previous relationship, when it likely could have made a difference in several previous arcs and rendering [[IdiotPlot much of the current conflict useless]]]]. Others note it's been ''one'' chapter since it's been revealed, there's still plenty of time to fill in the obvious gaps and questions, [[spoiler:are interested in learning more about Anna's character, and there's no guarantee yet if said plan will even ''work'']]; wanting to wait and see where Mashima takes this plot point before passing judgement on whether it was a good decision.

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** Chapter 529, '''hoo boy''', did it become this with 529: TheReveal of [[spoiler:[[EleventhHourRanger Anna Heartfilia]] and her [[TimeParadox plan]] to stop Acnologia]]. Some people threw up their hands in frustration at a [[DeusExMachina blatant and far too sudden answer]] to [[spoiler:the problem of facing Acnologia (a solution that looks [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks far too similar to another]] [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim plan to stop a black dragon]] at that), as well as not buying into Anna's explanation for why she didn't reveal herself sooner, ''especially'' to Zeref considering their previous relationship, when it likely could have made a difference in several previous arcs and rendering [[IdiotPlot much of the current conflict useless]]]]. Others note it's been ''one'' chapter since it's been revealed, there's still plenty of time to fill in the obvious gaps and questions, [[spoiler:are interested in learning more about Anna's character, and there's no guarantee yet if said plan will even ''work'']]; wanting to wait and see where Mashima takes this plot point before passing judgement on whether it was a good decision.
1st Apr '17 11:15:18 AM Prometheus117
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** The ''Alvarez Empire'' arc. While it started off promising, with a feeling of impending doom that terrified even the main characters, a series of {{CurbStompBattle}}s that set the Spriggan Twelve up as a threat unlike anything Fairy Tail has ever faced before (and themselves being interesting and sympathetic characters, arguably being the most popular villains in the series since Grimoire Heart), and a truly heartbreaking reveal of the backstory between [[spoiler:Zeref and Mavis]] pushing some fans into full-blown RootingForTheEmpire mode, the fights themselves in the latter part of the arc have been met with calls of being poorly handled (see AssPull and BrokenBase below), not the least of which has been the heavily criticized overdose of the NotQuiteDead trope. As of this writing, the arc has been going on for more than '''''eighty chapters''''', and even the fact that this seems to be the [[GrandFinale final arc]] hasn't stopped people from voicing their complaints. Many are eager just to move on to the inevitable final battle with Zeref and Acnologia, if not [[spoiler:Ankhseram]].
* AssPull: Mashima has never been one for planning ahead plot-wise. The {{Ass Pull}}s in the series tend to revolve around never-seen-before magic developments (most of which are never foreshadowed) which occur without warning in battles or are demonstrated by different magic users. Most are supported (read: handwaved) by a vague and non-specific magic system that even in-universe is full of unknowns and is a subject of intense study (with subtle overtones of knowing too much leads to madness or TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow).

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** The ''Alvarez Empire'' arc. While it started off promising, with a feeling of impending doom that terrified even the main characters, a series of {{CurbStompBattle}}s that set the Spriggan Twelve up as a threat unlike anything Fairy Tail has ever faced before (and themselves being interesting and sympathetic characters, arguably being the most popular villains in the series since Grimoire Heart), and a truly heartbreaking reveal of the backstory between [[spoiler:Zeref and Mavis]] pushing some fans into full-blown RootingForTheEmpire mode, the fights themselves in the latter part of the arc have been met with calls of being poorly handled (see AssPull and BrokenBase below), not the least of which has been the heavily criticized overdose of the NotQuiteDead trope. As of this writing, the arc has been going on for more than '''''eighty chapters''''', and even the fact that this seems to be is the [[GrandFinale final arc]] hasn't stopped people from voicing their complaints. Many are eager just to move on to the inevitable final battle with Zeref and Acnologia, if not [[spoiler:Ankhseram]].
* AssPull: Mashima has never been one for planning ahead plot-wise. The {{Ass Pull}}s in the series tend to revolve around never-seen-before magic developments (most of which are never foreshadowed) foreshadowed, or if they are it's in such a vague way it might as well not be) which occur without warning in battles or are demonstrated by different magic users. Most are supported (read: handwaved) by a vague and non-specific nonspecific magic system that even in-universe is full of unknowns and is a subject of intense study (with subtle overtones of knowing too much leads to madness or TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow).



*** During the Tower of Heaven arc during the fight with Jellal, in a desperate attempt to restore energy Natsu ate Etherion which is a combination of a number of different types of elemental magic, despite Dragon Slayers supposedly only being able to regain energy from eating one element – fire in Natsu’s case. This AssPull is only backed-up by a brief mention of Natsu attempting previously to eat Laxus’s lightning, which made him very sick. Although Natsu succeeds in eating and using Etherion, he does end up sick for a few days afterwards as a consequence.
*** In order to defeat Zancrow, Natsu uses up all of his immediate reserve of dragon-fire flames and magic, making himself an empty vessel, which then allows him to eat god-fire flames without them conflicting with his own. YMMV on whether this is an entirely new AssPull or building on the original eating Etherion AssPull. In-universe even Makarov is completely stunned in-universe that it somehow works, and [[AngerBornOfWorry yells at Natsu for trying something so reckless]] – making this an in-universe example at the very least. This evolution of Natsu’s ability to eat different flames and elements then culminates in the fight with Hades where Natsu takes in Laxus’s lightning.
** The [=X-Balls=], which provided a way for the Fairy Tail gang to regain their magic in Edolas. There's no hint for how or why Mystogan (who gave them the X-Balls) would have them.

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*** During the Tower of Heaven arc during the fight with Jellal, in a desperate attempt to restore energy Natsu ate Etherion which is a combination of a number of different types of elemental magic, despite Dragon Slayers supposedly only being able to regain energy from eating one element – fire in Natsu’s case. This AssPull is only backed-up by a brief mention of Natsu attempting previously to eat Laxus’s lightning, which made him very sick. Both Erza and Jellal go so far as to call him an suicidal idiot for doing so. Although Natsu succeeds in eating and using Etherion, he does end up sick for a few days afterwards as a consequence.
*** In order to defeat Zancrow, Natsu uses up all of his immediate reserve of dragon-fire flames and magic, making himself an empty vessel, which then allows him to eat god-fire flames without them conflicting with his own. YMMV on whether this is an entirely new AssPull or building on the original eating Etherion AssPull. In-universe even Even Makarov is completely stunned in-universe that it somehow works, and [[AngerBornOfWorry yells at Natsu for trying something so reckless]] – making this an in-universe example at the very least. This evolution of Natsu’s ability to eat different flames and elements then culminates in the fight with Hades where Natsu takes in Laxus’s lightning.
** The [=X-Balls=], which provided a way for the Fairy Tail gang to regain their magic in Edolas. There's no hint for how or why Mystogan (who gave them the X-Balls) would have them.them [[spoiler:aside from him also being from Edolas and knowing how magic there works, but then that stretches belief]].



* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: Aside from the [[DeusExMachina out-of-nowhere]], [[AssPull un-foreshadowed]] appearance of [[spoiler:[[EleventhHourRanger Anna Heartfilia]]]] in the climax of the ''Alvarez Empire'' arc as well as her [[ForWantOfANail inexplicable]] [[IdiotPlot failure to tell anyone it exists]] - including her old partner and friend, [[spoiler:Zeref]] - on a meta-level, the fandom immediately noticed that her plan to defeat Acnologia (displacing him in time itself) was ripped straight out of ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', only making the accusations of it being an AssPull even worse for having been lifted from another series. WordOfGod even confirmed that he's a big ''Skyrim'' fan.

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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: Aside from the [[DeusExMachina out-of-nowhere]], [[AssPull un-foreshadowed]] out-of-nowhere]] appearance of [[spoiler:[[EleventhHourRanger Anna Heartfilia]]]] in the climax of the ''Alvarez Empire'' arc as well as her [[ForWantOfANail inexplicable]] [[IdiotPlot failure to tell anyone it exists]] - including her old partner and friend, [[spoiler:Zeref]] - on a meta-level, the fandom immediately noticed that her plan to defeat Acnologia (displacing him in time itself) was ripped straight out of ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', only making the accusations of it being an AssPull even worse for having been lifted from another series. WordOfGod even confirmed that he's a big ''Skyrim'' fan.
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