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26th Jun '17 6:59:41 AM Peridonyx
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Tyber Zann is either an interesting new MagnificentBastard or just an implausible new MartyTzu (especially for being able to outsmart '''''Grand Admiral Thrawn''''' multiple times -- ex-student or not).
4th Mar '17 9:26:50 PM GruntEdit
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** Speaking of Hard Mode, the AI itself is capable of fielding a massive invasion fleet in no time at all, it's also granted free spaceships whenever they lose their primary fleets. Meaning any free space unoccupied by your units over a system they control will generate another fresh batch of space units for the AI in a blink of an eye; the higher the tech level, the better ships they get as replacements. Even if they're down to two planets and you blew up their other space ship a minute ago! This also carries over to many mods however, which can quickly spiral out of control if they're granted free Game Breakers or massive dreadnoughts such as Super Star Destroyers.



** The final mission of [=FoC=]'s campaign [[spoiler: gave the player command of the ''Eclipse'', which was basically a Death Star II shrunk down onto a Super Star Destroyer frame. Complete with a superlaser that, unlike the Death Star II, was capable of targeting and obliterating corvette-sized ships as well as anything bigger. Even though in the campaign the ''Eclipse'' was still under construction and thus the superlaser was the ''only'' weapon available, there are game mods that give the player full access to the ''Eclipse'' in Galactic Conquest mode, complete with full armament]].

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** The final mission of [=FoC=]'s campaign [[spoiler: gave the player command of the ''Eclipse'', which was basically a Death Star II shrunk down onto a Super Star Destroyer frame. Complete with a superlaser that, unlike the Death Star II, was capable of targeting and obliterating corvette-sized ships as well as anything bigger.bigger and recharges in no time at all. Even though in the campaign the ''Eclipse'' was still under construction and thus the superlaser was the ''only'' weapon available, there are game mods that give the player full access to the ''Eclipse'' in Galactic Conquest mode, complete with full armament]].



* TheUnfavorite: The Zann Consortium appears to a meta-example for the fanbase considering that most of the popular mods to the game don't focus on it, likely due to its status as a GameBreaker and accusations of developer favoritism involved with it. There does exist the ''Complete Consortium Mod'' on Mod DB that does focus entirely on the Consortium (and makes them practically god-like, with such upgrades as disruptors on Star Vipers, mass drivers on Skiprays and Canderous Assault Tanks, a higher firing rate for Grenadiers, and more, while also making every building very expensive for balance purposes) The rest of the Legends Expanded Universe also barely mentions them. However, [[TheBusCameBack the Consortium returned after a nine-year absence]] in the canon mobile game, ''VideoGame/StarWarsUprising''.

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* TheUnfavorite: The Zann Consortium appears to a meta-example for the fanbase considering that most of the popular mods to the game don't focus on it, likely due to its status as a GameBreaker and accusations of developer favoritism involved with it. There does exist the ''Complete Consortium Mod'' on Mod DB that does focus entirely on the Consortium (and makes them practically god-like, with such upgrades as disruptors on Star Vipers, mass drivers on Skiprays and Canderous Assault Tanks, a higher firing rate for Grenadiers, and more, while also making every building very expensive for balance purposes) The purposes.) Beyond the occasional reference to Zann's brief theft of the [[spoiler: Eclipse Super Star Destroyer]], the rest of the Legends Expanded Universe also barely mentions them. However, [[TheBusCameBack the Consortium returned after a nine-year absence]] in the canon mobile game, ''VideoGame/StarWarsUprising''.''VideoGame/StarWarsUprising''.
** On the other hand, because of their usage of Droidekas and Buzz Droids in the base game, many mods that do give the Consortium units generally have them deploy more Confederacy space and ground units, if not outright turn them into a resurgent CIS themselves.
6th Dec '16 11:11:30 PM BaronVonFistcrunch
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** Things get even ''more'' broken for the Zann Consortium in Galactic Conquest mode, as they don't play by the same rules as the other factions. They can build all of their units from the start without needing to unlock them (although their special abilities must be bought), the palace is more effective at gathering credits than the mining facilities of other factions, and they start with all hero units available, all of which ''can't be detected by enemies on the overworld''. You can simply gather the hero units and stage ground invasions to conquer world after world effortlessly, as they're likely to only have a few infantry units to start with.

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** *** Things get even ''more'' broken for the Zann Consortium in Galactic Conquest mode, as they don't play by the same rules as the other factions. They can build all of their units from the start without needing to unlock them (although their special abilities must be bought), the palace is more effective at gathering credits than the mining facilities of other factions, and they start with all hero units available, all of which ''can't be detected by enemies on the overworld''. You can simply gather the hero units and stage ground invasions to conquer world after world effortlessly, as they're likely to only have a few infantry units to start with.
13th Oct '16 9:42:06 AM brianify
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* GoodBadBugs: One particular bug made ''Forces of Corruption'' even ''more'' broken in the Empire's favor: in the retail version of the expansion, hero units were not counted against the unit cap in any given space battle. That led to the infamous Imperial Death Squadron stack, where an Imperial fleet could consist of Grand Admiral Thrawn and Captain Piett (both are Star Destroyers with special abilities), the ''Arc Hammer'' (a factory ship with ''Victory''-Star Destroyer specs), the Super Star Destroyer ''Executor'', and the Death Star II (which itself spawns a "garrison" of a Star Destroyer and some escort ships). And since none of these affects the ship-cap, you can send a full-size fleet along with them, and every ship listed above will appear on a battle map at once. The utterly gargantuan firepower advantage such a fleet boasts is boosted still further by the absolute clouds of TIES it spawns and the Death Star II's superlaser.
16th Aug '16 8:13:37 PM BaronVonFistcrunch
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* ObviousBeta: ''Forces of Corruption'' released with a number of bugs, most notably the enemy fleet approaching sound being a voice saying "Ysalamiri Cage Constructing". While a patch was released that fixed the most glaring issues, a number of which were never fixed. The "Barrage" ability from the original game is broken, firing projectiles in a line instead of in an area. The special fighting animations between heroes from the original game no longer play, and a number of other visual and audio bugs linger.
* TheUnfavorite: The Zann Consortium appears to a meta-example for the fanbase considering that most of the popular mods to the game don't focus on it, and the ones that do often give it access to old Separatist technology such as Battle Droids and Trade Federation battleships. Not that it needs them very much, however. There does exist the ''Complete Consortium Mod'' on Mod DB that does focus entirely on the Consortium (and makes them practically god-like, with such upgrades as disruptors on Star Vipers, mass drivers on Skiprays and Canderous Assault Tanks, a higher firing rate for Grenadiers, and more, while also making every building very expensive for balance purposes) The rest of the Legends Expanded Universe also barely mentions them. However, [[TheBusCameBack the Consortium returned after a nine-year absence]] in the canon mobile game, ''VideoGame/StarWarsUprising''.

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* ObviousBeta: ''Forces of Corruption'' released with a number of bugs, most notably the enemy fleet approaching sound being a voice saying "Ysalamiri Cage Constructing". While a patch was released that fixed the most glaring issues, a number of which were never fixed. The "Barrage" ability from the original game is broken, firing projectiles in a line instead of in an area. The Some of the special fighting animations between heroes from the original game no longer play, and a number of other visual and audio bugs linger.
linger. Given that it was released a mere 8 months after the original game, one gets the impression that it was rushed out.
* TheUnfavorite: The Zann Consortium appears to a meta-example for the fanbase considering that most of the popular mods to the game don't focus on it, likely due to its status as a GameBreaker and the ones that do often give it access to old Separatist technology such as Battle Droids and Trade Federation battleships. Not that it needs them very much, however.accusations of developer favoritism involved with it. There does exist the ''Complete Consortium Mod'' on Mod DB that does focus entirely on the Consortium (and makes them practically god-like, with such upgrades as disruptors on Star Vipers, mass drivers on Skiprays and Canderous Assault Tanks, a higher firing rate for Grenadiers, and more, while also making every building very expensive for balance purposes) The rest of the Legends Expanded Universe also barely mentions them. However, [[TheBusCameBack the Consortium returned after a nine-year absence]] in the canon mobile game, ''VideoGame/StarWarsUprising''.
16th Aug '16 7:59:51 PM BaronVonFistcrunch
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** Things get even ''more'' broken for the Zann Consortium in Galactic Conquest mode, as they don't play by the same rules as the other factions. They can build all of their units from the start (although their special abilities must be bought), the palace is more effective at gathering credits than the mining facilities of other factions, and they start with all hero units, all of which ''can't be detected by enemies on the overworld''. You can simply gather the hero units and stage ground invasions to conquer world after world effortlessly, as they're likely to only have a few infantry units to start with.

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** Things get even ''more'' broken for the Zann Consortium in Galactic Conquest mode, as they don't play by the same rules as the other factions. They can build all of their units from the start without needing to unlock them (although their special abilities must be bought), the palace is more effective at gathering credits than the mining facilities of other factions, and they start with all hero units, units available, all of which ''can't be detected by enemies on the overworld''. You can simply gather the hero units and stage ground invasions to conquer world after world effortlessly, as they're likely to only have a few infantry units to start with.


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* ObviousBeta: ''Forces of Corruption'' released with a number of bugs, most notably the enemy fleet approaching sound being a voice saying "Ysalamiri Cage Constructing". While a patch was released that fixed the most glaring issues, a number of which were never fixed. The "Barrage" ability from the original game is broken, firing projectiles in a line instead of in an area. The special fighting animations between heroes from the original game no longer play, and a number of other visual and audio bugs linger.
16th Aug '16 7:41:01 PM BaronVonFistcrunch
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* GameBreaker: In the original game the Empire had a moderate advantage over the Rebellion (mainly due to having two Force-users instead of one, not to mention the Death Star) but it wasn't until ''Forces of Corruption'' when things got out of hand. The Consortium has superior units across the board (their basic infantry can easily kill the units the game outright states they are weak against with a simple upgrade) and they can gain access to some of the best units of the other factions. If they built a palace on every world then credits were almost a non-issue. Not to mention that their space units are even worse. They have a ship that can move through asteroid fields without taking damage and also has a cloaking device, not to mention that they have weapons that ignore shields.

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* GameBreaker: In the original game the Empire had a moderate advantage over the Rebellion (mainly due to having two Force-users instead of one, not to mention the Death Star) but it wasn't until ''Forces of Corruption'' when things got out of hand. The Consortium has superior units across the board (their basic infantry can easily kill the units the game outright states they are weak against with a simple upgrade) and they can gain access to some of the best units of the other factions. If they built a palace on every world then credits were almost a non-issue. Not to mention that their space units are even worse. They have a ship that can move through asteroid fields without taking damage and also has a cloaking device, not to mention that they have weapons that ignore shields.



** The Zann Consortium in ''Forces of Corruption'' is a game breaking ''faction''. The Consortium has superior units across the board (their basic infantry can easily kill the units the game outright states they are weak against with a simple upgrade) and they can gain access to some of the best units of the other factions. Not to mention that their space units are even worse, thanks to such things as cloaking devices and mass drivers that ignore shields.
** Things get even ''more'' broken for the Zann Consortium in Galactic Conquest mode, as they don't play by the same rules as the other factions. They can build all of their units from the start (although their special abilities must be bought), the palace is more effective at gathering credits than the mining facilities of other factions, and they start with all hero units, all of which ''can't be detected by enemies on the overworld''. You can simply gather the hero units and stage ground invasions to conquer world after world effortlessly, as they're likely to only have a few infantry units to start with.



* TheUnfavorite: The Zann Consortium appears to a meta-example for the fanbase considering that most of the popular mods to the game don't focus on it, and the ones that do often give it access to old Separatist technology such as Battle Droids and Trade Federation battleships. Not that it needs them very much, however. There does exist the ''Complete Consortium Mod'' on Mod DB that does focus entirely on the Consortium (and makes them practically god-like, with such upgrades as disruptors on StarVipers, mass drivers on Skiprays and Canderous Assault Tanks, a higher firing rate for Grenadiers, and more, while also making every building very expensive for balance purposes) The rest of the Legends Expanded Universe also barely mentions them. However, [[TheBusCameBack the Consortium returned after a nine-year absence]] in the canon mobile game, ''VideoGame/StarWarsUprising''.

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* TheUnfavorite: The Zann Consortium appears to a meta-example for the fanbase considering that most of the popular mods to the game don't focus on it, and the ones that do often give it access to old Separatist technology such as Battle Droids and Trade Federation battleships. Not that it needs them very much, however. There does exist the ''Complete Consortium Mod'' on Mod DB that does focus entirely on the Consortium (and makes them practically god-like, with such upgrades as disruptors on StarVipers, Star Vipers, mass drivers on Skiprays and Canderous Assault Tanks, a higher firing rate for Grenadiers, and more, while also making every building very expensive for balance purposes) The rest of the Legends Expanded Universe also barely mentions them. However, [[TheBusCameBack the Consortium returned after a nine-year absence]] in the canon mobile game, ''VideoGame/StarWarsUprising''.
25th Jun '16 8:44:35 PM Angeldeb82
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* FridgeBrilliance: One may find it peculiar how Grand Admiral Thrawn's forces doesn't seem to hesitate on retreating from Zann in ''Forces of Corruption'' after being partially damaged. But as ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy'' shows, that's ''exactly'' what he would do in such a situation: unlike some other Imperial commanders, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm Thrawn knows the value of minimizing "setbacks."]]

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* FridgeBrilliance: One may find it peculiar how Grand Admiral Thrawn's forces doesn't seem to hesitate on retreating from Zann in ''Forces of Corruption'' after being partially damaged. But as ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy'' shows, that's ''exactly'' what he would do in such a situation: unlike some other Imperial commanders, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm Thrawn knows the value of minimizing "setbacks."]]"setbacks"]].



** The final mission of [=FoC=]'s campaign [[spoiler: gave the player command of the ''Eclipse'', which was basically a Death Star II shrunk down onto a Super Star Destroyer frame. Complete with a superlaser that, unlike the Death Star II, was capable of targeting and obliterating corvette-sized ships as well as anything bigger. Even though in the campaign the ''Eclipse'' was still under construction and thus the superlaser was the ''only'' weapon available, there are game mods that give the player full access to the ''Eclipse'' in Galactic Conquest mode, complete with full armament.]]
* GoddamnBats: On Polus, the Pyn'Gani are armed with ion blasters that can immobilize your infantry and vehicles for a few seconds, and these blasters are their primary weapons.
* TheUnfavorite: The Zann Consortium appears to a meta-example for the fanbase considering that most of the popular mods to the game don't focus on it, and the ones that do often give it access to old Separatist technology such as Battle Droids and Trade Federation battleships. Not that it needs them very much, however. There does exist the ''Complete Consortium Mod'' on Mod DB that does focus entirely on the Consortium (and makes them practically god-like, with such upgrades as disruptors on StarVipers, mass drivers on Skiprays and Canderous Assault Tanks, a higher firing rate for Grenadiers, and more, while also making every building very expensive for balance purposes) The rest of the Legends Expanded Universe also barely mentions them. However, [[TheBusCameBack the Consortium returned after a nine-year absence]] in the canon mobile game, ''VideoGame/StarWarsUprising''.
* VillainSue: The Zann Consortium. They are a crime syndicate powerful enough to score repeated victories over the Rebels and the Empire (that we've never heard of before nor does the game give a good explanation why), including forces led by Thrawn, and at the end they manage to raid the Emperor's personal bank accounts for the money that would allow them to become the dominant crime syndicate in the galaxy, to the point that only Zann's personal preferences stop him from being the next Emperor. Such an overpowered faction easily lifts some eyebrows.

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** The final mission of [=FoC=]'s campaign [[spoiler: gave the player command of the ''Eclipse'', which was basically a Death Star II shrunk down onto a Super Star Destroyer frame. Complete with a superlaser that, unlike the Death Star II, was capable of targeting and obliterating corvette-sized ships as well as anything bigger. Even though in the campaign the ''Eclipse'' was still under construction and thus the superlaser was the ''only'' weapon available, there are game mods that give the player full access to the ''Eclipse'' in Galactic Conquest mode, complete with full armament.]]
armament]].
* GoddamnBats: GoddamnedBats: On Polus, the Pyn'Gani are armed with ion blasters that can immobilize your infantry and vehicles for a few seconds, and these blasters are their primary weapons.
* TheUnfavorite: The Zann Consortium appears to a meta-example for the fanbase considering that most of the popular mods to the game don't focus on it, and the ones that do often give it access to old Separatist technology such as Battle Droids and Trade Federation battleships. Not that it needs them very much, however. There does exist the ''Complete Consortium Mod'' on Mod DB that does focus entirely on the Consortium (and makes them practically god-like, with such upgrades as disruptors on StarVipers, mass drivers on Skiprays and Canderous Assault Tanks, a higher firing rate for Grenadiers, and more, while also making every building very expensive for balance purposes) The rest of the Legends Expanded Universe also barely mentions them. However, [[TheBusCameBack the Consortium returned after a nine-year absence]] in the canon mobile game, ''VideoGame/StarWarsUprising''.
* VillainSue: The Zann Consortium. They are a crime syndicate powerful enough to score repeated victories over the Rebels and the Empire (that we've never heard of before nor does the game give a good explanation why), including forces led by Thrawn, and at the end they manage to raid the Emperor's personal bank accounts for the money that would allow them to become the dominant crime syndicate in the galaxy, to the point that only Zann's personal preferences stop him from being the next Emperor. Such an overpowered faction easily lifts some eyebrows.
''VideoGame/StarWarsUprising''.
19th Jun '16 2:18:27 PM nombretomado
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* FridgeBrilliance: One may find it peculiar how Grand Admiral Thrawn's forces doesn't seem to hesitate on retreating from Zann in ''Forces of Corruption'' after being partially damaged. But as ''TheThrawnTrilogy'' shows, that's ''exactly'' what he would do in such a situation: unlike some other Imperial commanders, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm Thrawn knows the value of minimizing "setbacks."]]

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* FridgeBrilliance: One may find it peculiar how Grand Admiral Thrawn's forces doesn't seem to hesitate on retreating from Zann in ''Forces of Corruption'' after being partially damaged. But as ''TheThrawnTrilogy'' ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy'' shows, that's ''exactly'' what he would do in such a situation: unlike some other Imperial commanders, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm Thrawn knows the value of minimizing "setbacks."]]
24th May '16 4:23:24 PM BNSF1995
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** On Hard Mode in Galactic Conquest (before access to Level 5 tech), Imperials tend to toss vast fleets of Broadside Cruisers, TIE Scouts and Victory-class Star Destroyers at you in the non-storyline battles. The former effectively renders fighter-support useless and are a constant threat to the space station until taken out, the middle ones are tossed at you to give the Broadsides a target, and the latter offers enough firepower to destroy any star-ship ship you can field at that point in the game, along with contingents of free Tie Fighters and Tie Bombers that do not take up any unit space. If you are not prepared, these fleets will rip you in two. Of course, on Easy Mode, this is subverted, and Rebel players will likely be amused to witness a mighty Imperial armada retreat with very few of their ships remaining.

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** On Hard Mode in Galactic Conquest (before access to Level 5 tech), Imperials tend to toss vast fleets of Broadside Cruisers, TIE Scouts and Victory-class Star Destroyers at you in the non-storyline battles. The former effectively renders fighter-support useless and are a constant threat to the space station until taken out, the middle ones are tossed at you to give the Broadsides a target, and the latter offers enough firepower to destroy any star-ship ship you can field at that point in the game, along with contingents of free Tie Fighters and Tie Bombers that do not take up any unit space. If you are not prepared, these fleets will rip you in two. Of course, on Easy Mode, this is subverted, and Rebel players will likely be amused to witness a mighty Imperial armada retreat with very few of their ships remaining.remaining, especially if the Imperial fleet was defeated using only a few garrisoned X-Wings and Y-Wings.
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