History YMMV / ElGoonishShive

20th Aug '16 6:46:45 AM Anddrix
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* MarySue:
** Grace most often gets accused of this as her adorable cuteness and prettiness and all around goodness is a constant thing in comics she appears in. She's so cute that she can get characters to do things they might not want to do by giving puppy dog eyes and anyone who's mean to her is seen as being irredeemably mean or evil. Her faults are things like clumsiness or naivete or hyperactivity that serve only to make her cuter and more lovable and she's one of the most powerful characters in the series. Her only actual character flaw, BlackAndWhiteInsanity, has yet to actually get her into any trouble, since she's always pitted against against [[CompleteMonster real monsters]], summons who can't be killed, or there's someone present who can easily keep her from attacking people unnecessarily ([[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=1110 even if that person is the one she's threatening]]). Furthermore she puts almost everyone in the "white" category and can easily be reasoned with, so [[InformedFlaw the only way to tell this trope is present]] is through [[ShowDontTell some of her conversations]]. On top of it Dan has "jokingly" said before that hating Grace makes you evil. All of these have earned her the derisive name of [[FanNickname Gracie Sue]] among a segment of the fandom.
** [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-07-06 This]] comic lampshades Nanase's status as one as well.



* PuritySue: Ashley seems to have been created to be an absolutely perfect fit for the comic; she is naturally [[GenkiGirl energetic]] and [[TheCutie sweet]], to the point even Nanase thinks she's suspiciously [[http://www.egscomics.com/comics/1463011946-2016-05-11c167_reunion.png "too nice"]]. She is instantly very accepting of all the weirdness she's introduced to, including transformations (which she happens to have a fetish for), magical creatures and immortals, and the casual presence of magic in the main cast. She is super respectful of everyone's privacy, to the point she refuses to ask questions or let anyone tell her about things if they feel it would betray a trust, despite admitting she would love to know about it (Elliot commenting that makes him want to tell her everything even ''more''). Her only real flaws seem to be she's a bit naive and she's quirky, both of which only seem to make her more adorable. And even Pandora is incapable of empowering her despite Ashley's fascination and borderline fetish for transformations due to her literal IncorruptiblePurePureness[[note]]The only time an immortal has ever been incapable of empowering someone before in the comic was when Jerry failed to give a spell to Sarah, and ''that'' was due to the fact Sarah literally talked herself out of it. Ashley is just unconsciously so pure-hearted Pandora has no ability to manipulate her very powerful interest for transformation magic[[/note]]. Even the author has described her alignment as being "absurdly good".



** Grace has gained her share of haters ever since the birthday party, where her MarySue tendencies were kicked into high gear.

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** Grace has gained her share of haters ever since the birthday party, where her MarySue Mary Sue tendencies were kicked into high gear.
20th Aug '16 6:39:37 AM DarkMask
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* PuritySue: Ashley seems to have been created to be an absolutely perfect fit for the comic; she is naturally [[GenkiGirl energetic]] and [[TheCutie sweet]], to the point even Nanase thinks she's suspiciously [[http://www.egscomics.com/comics/1463011946-2016-05-11c167_reunion.png "too nice"]]. She is instantly very accepting of all the weirdness she's introduced to, including transformations (which she happens to have a fetish for), magical creatures and immortals, and the casual presence of magic in the main cast. She is super respectful of everyone's privacy, to the point she refuses to ask questions or let anyone tell her about things if they feel it would betray a trust, despite admitting she would love to know about it (Elliot commenting that makes him want to tell her everything even ''more''). And even Pandora is incapable of empowering her despite Ashley's fascination and borderline fetish for transformations due to her literal IncorruptiblePurePureness[[note]]The only time an immortal has ever been incapable of empowering someone before in the comic was when Jerry failed to give a spell to Sarah, and ''that'' was due to the fact Sarah literally talked herself out of it. Ashley is just unconsciously so pure-hearted Pandora has no ability to manipulate her very powerful interest for transformation magic[[/note]]. Even the author has described her alignment as being "absurdly good".

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* PuritySue: Ashley seems to have been created to be an absolutely perfect fit for the comic; she is naturally [[GenkiGirl energetic]] and [[TheCutie sweet]], to the point even Nanase thinks she's suspiciously [[http://www.egscomics.com/comics/1463011946-2016-05-11c167_reunion.png "too nice"]]. She is instantly very accepting of all the weirdness she's introduced to, including transformations (which she happens to have a fetish for), magical creatures and immortals, and the casual presence of magic in the main cast. She is super respectful of everyone's privacy, to the point she refuses to ask questions or let anyone tell her about things if they feel it would betray a trust, despite admitting she would love to know about it (Elliot commenting that makes him want to tell her everything even ''more''). Her only real flaws seem to be she's a bit naive and she's quirky, both of which only seem to make her more adorable. And even Pandora is incapable of empowering her despite Ashley's fascination and borderline fetish for transformations due to her literal IncorruptiblePurePureness[[note]]The only time an immortal has ever been incapable of empowering someone before in the comic was when Jerry failed to give a spell to Sarah, and ''that'' was due to the fact Sarah literally talked herself out of it. Ashley is just unconsciously so pure-hearted Pandora has no ability to manipulate her very powerful interest for transformation magic[[/note]]. Even the author has described her alignment as being "absurdly good".
20th Aug '16 4:55:22 AM DarkMask
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* PuritySue: Ashley seems to have been created to be an absolutely perfect fit for the comic; she is naturally [[GenkiGirl energetic]] and [[TheCutie sweet]], to the point even Nanase thinks she's suspiciously [[http://www.egscomics.com/comics/1463011946-2016-05-11c167_reunion.png "too nice"]]. She is instantly very accepting of all the weirdness she's introduced to, including transformations (which she happens to have a fetish for), magical creatures and immortals, and the casual presence of magic in the main cast. She is super respectful of everyone's privacy, to the point she refuses to ask questions or let anyone tell her about things if they feel it would betray a trust, despite admitting she would love to know about it (Elliot commenting that makes him want to tell her everything even ''more''). And even Pandora is incapable of empowering her despite Ashley's fascination and borderline fetish for transformations due to her literal IncorruptiblePurePureness[[note]]The only time an immortal has ever been incapable of empowering someone before in the comic was when Jerry failed to give a spell to Sarah, and ''that'' was due to the fact Sarah literally talked herself out of it. Ashley is just unconsciously so pure-hearted Pandora has no ability to manipulate Ashley's very powerful craving for transformation magic[[/note]]. Even the author has described her alignment as being "absurdly good".

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* PuritySue: Ashley seems to have been created to be an absolutely perfect fit for the comic; she is naturally [[GenkiGirl energetic]] and [[TheCutie sweet]], to the point even Nanase thinks she's suspiciously [[http://www.egscomics.com/comics/1463011946-2016-05-11c167_reunion.png "too nice"]]. She is instantly very accepting of all the weirdness she's introduced to, including transformations (which she happens to have a fetish for), magical creatures and immortals, and the casual presence of magic in the main cast. She is super respectful of everyone's privacy, to the point she refuses to ask questions or let anyone tell her about things if they feel it would betray a trust, despite admitting she would love to know about it (Elliot commenting that makes him want to tell her everything even ''more''). And even Pandora is incapable of empowering her despite Ashley's fascination and borderline fetish for transformations due to her literal IncorruptiblePurePureness[[note]]The only time an immortal has ever been incapable of empowering someone before in the comic was when Jerry failed to give a spell to Sarah, and ''that'' was due to the fact Sarah literally talked herself out of it. Ashley is just unconsciously so pure-hearted Pandora has no ability to manipulate Ashley's her very powerful craving interest for transformation magic[[/note]]. Even the author has described her alignment as being "absurdly good".
20th Aug '16 4:54:36 AM DarkMask
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* PuritySue: Ashley seems to have been created to be an absolutely perfect fit for the comic; she is naturally [[GenkiGirl energetic]] and [[TheCutie sweet]], to the point even Nanase thinks she's suspiciously [[http://www.egscomics.com/comics/1463011946-2016-05-11c167_reunion.png "too nice"]]. She is instantly very accepting of all the weirdness she's introduced to, including transformations (which she happens to have a fetish for), magical creatures and immortals, and the casual presence of magic in the main cast. She is super respectful of everyone's privacy, to the point she refuses to ask questions or let anyone tell her about things if they feel it would betray a trust, despite admitting she would love to know about it (Elliot commenting that makes him want to tell her everything even ''more''). And even Pandora in unable to empower her despite Ashley's fascination and borderline fetish for transformations due to her literal IncorruptiblePurePureness[[note]]The only time an immortal has ever been incapable of empowering someone before in the comic was when Jerry failed to give a spell to Sarah, and ''that'' was due to the fact Sarah literally talked herself out of it. Ashley is just unconsciously so pure-hearted Pandora has no ability to manipulate Ashley's very powerful craving for transformations[[/note]]. Even the author has described her alignment as being "absurdly good".

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* PuritySue: Ashley seems to have been created to be an absolutely perfect fit for the comic; she is naturally [[GenkiGirl energetic]] and [[TheCutie sweet]], to the point even Nanase thinks she's suspiciously [[http://www.egscomics.com/comics/1463011946-2016-05-11c167_reunion.png "too nice"]]. She is instantly very accepting of all the weirdness she's introduced to, including transformations (which she happens to have a fetish for), magical creatures and immortals, and the casual presence of magic in the main cast. She is super respectful of everyone's privacy, to the point she refuses to ask questions or let anyone tell her about things if they feel it would betray a trust, despite admitting she would love to know about it (Elliot commenting that makes him want to tell her everything even ''more''). And even Pandora in unable to empower is incapable of empowering her despite Ashley's fascination and borderline fetish for transformations due to her literal IncorruptiblePurePureness[[note]]The only time an immortal has ever been incapable of empowering someone before in the comic was when Jerry failed to give a spell to Sarah, and ''that'' was due to the fact Sarah literally talked herself out of it. Ashley is just unconsciously so pure-hearted Pandora has no ability to manipulate Ashley's very powerful craving for transformations[[/note]].transformation magic[[/note]]. Even the author has described her alignment as being "absurdly good".
20th Aug '16 4:53:15 AM DarkMask
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* PuritySue: Ashley seems to have been created to be an absolutely perfect fit for the comic; she is naturally [[GenkiGirl energetic]] and [[TheCutie sweet]], to the point even Nanase thinks she's suspiciously [[http://www.egscomics.com/comics/1463011946-2016-05-11c167_reunion.png "too nice"]]. She is instantly very accepting of all the weirdness she's introduced to, including transformations (which she happens to have a fetish for), magical creatures and immortals, and the casual presence of magic in the main cast. She is super respectful of everyone's privacy, to the point she refuses to ask questions or let anyone tell her about things if they feel it would betray a trust, despite admitting she would love to know about it (Elliot commenting that makes him want to tell her everything even ''more''). And even Pandora in unable to empower her despite Ashley's fascination and borderline fetish for transformations due to her literal IncorruptiblePurePureness[[note]]The only time an immortal has ever been incapable of empowering someone before in the comic was when Jerry failed to give a spell to Sarah, and ''that'' was due to the fact Sarah literally talked herself out of it. Ashley is just unconsciously so pure-hearted Pandora has no ability to manipulate Ashley's very powerful craving for transformations[[/note]]. Even the author has described her alignment as being "absurdly good".
20th Aug '16 4:40:35 AM DarkMask
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Ashley. Some like her for being a good match for Elliot and a generally decent person, including towards her own seeming romantic rival. Others feel Dan is trying a little too hard to make her TheWoobie. This only got worse on Elliot and Ashley's first date, where the two seems a little ''too'' into each other very quickly, with some fans already accusing Dan of falling prey to the two being StrangledByTheRedString. There's also the fact that she seems a little too accepting of all the weirdness thrust upon her and far too respectful of everyone's privacy, not even wanting to probe for information even when pressed for her desire to know more. Once it's revealed that she has such IncorruptiblePurePureness that not even Pandora can empower her in spite of her fetish for BalefulPolymorph, and it seems Ashley may be starting to hit PuritySue territories.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Ashley. Some like her for being a good match for Elliot and a generally decent person, including towards her own seeming romantic rival. Others feel Dan is trying a little too hard to make her TheWoobie. This only got worse on Elliot and Ashley's first date, where the two seems a little ''too'' into each other very quickly, with some fans already accusing Dan of falling prey to the two being StrangledByTheRedString. There's also the fact that she seems a little too accepting of all the weirdness thrust upon her and far too respectful of everyone's privacy, not even wanting to probe for information even when pressed for her desire to know more. Once it's revealed that she has such IncorruptiblePurePureness that not even Pandora can empower her in spite of her fetish for BalefulPolymorph, and it seems Ashley may be starting to hit PuritySue territories.
20th Aug '16 4:39:35 AM DarkMask
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Ashley. Some like her for being a good match for Elliot and a generally decent person, including towards her own seeming romantic rival. Others feel Dan is trying a little too hard to make her TheWoobie. This only got worse on Elliot and Ashley's first date, where the two seems a little ''too'' into each other very quickly, with some fans already accusing Dan of falling prey to the two being StrangledByTheRedString. There's also the fact that she seems a little too accepting of all the weirdness thrust upon her and far too respectful of everyone's privacy, not even wanting to ask a single question even when pressed for her desire to know more. Once it's revealed that she has such IncorruptiblePurePureness that not even Pandora can empower her in spite of her fetish for BalefulPolymorph, and it seems Ashley may be starting to hit PuritySue territories.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Ashley. Some like her for being a good match for Elliot and a generally decent person, including towards her own seeming romantic rival. Others feel Dan is trying a little too hard to make her TheWoobie. This only got worse on Elliot and Ashley's first date, where the two seems a little ''too'' into each other very quickly, with some fans already accusing Dan of falling prey to the two being StrangledByTheRedString. There's also the fact that she seems a little too accepting of all the weirdness thrust upon her and far too respectful of everyone's privacy, not even wanting to ask a single question probe for information even when pressed for her desire to know more. Once it's revealed that she has such IncorruptiblePurePureness that not even Pandora can empower her in spite of her fetish for BalefulPolymorph, and it seems Ashley may be starting to hit PuritySue territories.
20th Aug '16 4:39:06 AM DarkMask
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Ashley. Some like her for being a good match for Elliot and a generally decent person, including towards her own seeming romantic rival. Others feel Dan is trying a little too hard to make her TheWoobie. This only got worse on Elliot and Ashley's first date, where the two seems a little ''too'' into each other very quickly, with some fans already accusing Dan of falling prey to the two being StrangledByTheRedString.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Ashley. Some like her for being a good match for Elliot and a generally decent person, including towards her own seeming romantic rival. Others feel Dan is trying a little too hard to make her TheWoobie. This only got worse on Elliot and Ashley's first date, where the two seems a little ''too'' into each other very quickly, with some fans already accusing Dan of falling prey to the two being StrangledByTheRedString. There's also the fact that she seems a little too accepting of all the weirdness thrust upon her and far too respectful of everyone's privacy, not even wanting to ask a single question even when pressed for her desire to know more. Once it's revealed that she has such IncorruptiblePurePureness that not even Pandora can empower her in spite of her fetish for BalefulPolymorph, and it seems Ashley may be starting to hit PuritySue territories.
16th Aug '16 1:38:00 AM Hfar
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**Also Pandora/Chaos when she's in her EldritchAbomination form, at least when [[http://www.egscomics.com/egsnp.php?id=490 she's waking up after a long nap.]]
13th Aug '16 11:28:39 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Damien is a sadistic mass-murderer who regularly abused those under his care and planned to not only "[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil breed]]" with Grace to create an army, but also to use said army to commit mass genocide on the entire human race. The closest thing he has to a FreudianExcuse, his belief that [[AGodAmI he is a God and can therefore do anything he wants]], simply doesn't hold up under the weight of his crimes. Especially when one takes into account the [[ItAmusedMe obvious]] [[ForTheEvulz pleasure]] he takes in his actions.

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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightOfCerebus Damien]], the AxCrazy BigBad of the "Painted Black" arc, was created as an attempt to fulfill a prophecy about one who would unite Human/Alien hybrids known as seyunolus; he took this to mean that he was a [[AGodAmI God]] with an OmniscientMoralityLicense who was meant to [[KillAllHumans kill humanity]]. When some of the people who created him questioned his plan to obtain a group of four seyunolus, Damien is a sadistic mass-murderer decided that they were heretics and killed them. He then went to the company who regularly abused those under his care created the four previously mentioned seyunolus and slaughtered all of their other employees, deliberately killing people in front of the seyunolus to make them fear him. Damien planned to not only "[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil breed]]" with Grace to create slowly grow the Seyunolu into an army, but also to use said army to commit mass genocide on eliminate humanity, using the entire human race. The closest thing he has to a FreudianExcuse, sole female seyunolu Grace as breeding stock. When Grace escaped from his belief nest, Damien sent Hedge out to recapture her, [[YouHaveFailedMe threatening him with death]] if he didn't return with something; when Hedge returns with a transformed Elliot instead, [[BadBoss Damien hits Hedge]] for not returning with a female seyunolu and keeps Elliot tied up and refuses to provide him with food until he reveals information about where he came from. Finally, when Damien was wounded by Grace after he attempted to kill her friends, thus providing possible evidence of his mortality, Damien decides to [[TakingYouWithMe self-destruct]] in order to defeat Grace, deciding that [[AGodAmI either he is was a God and can therefore do anything he wants]], simply doesn't hold up under the weight of his crimes. Especially when one takes into account the [[ItAmusedMe obvious]] [[ForTheEvulz pleasure]] body was irrelevant, or he takes in his actions.was a mortal and life wasn't worth living.
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