History YMMV / DynastyWarriors

13th May '17 3:49:35 AM ChrisX
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** The "Nanman Campaign" stages from ''Dynasty Warriors 4'' mostly due to the odds being kept stacking against players to ridiculous levels. After time passes in these stages, the climate starts affecting allied morale; furthermore, every time Meng Huo is defeated, he returns for more, but winds up giving the Nanman a morale boost, to a point where it's exceptionally difficult to get anything done without the allied commander getting defeated. At higher difficulties, it's not uncommon to beat these levesl by one of two means: playing as the allied commander of the army or by earning 1000 K.O.s to prevent morale loss among allies (which game breaking characters on the tier list have no problem achieving). Also, unlike in the prior installment, the poison marshes only affect you and your allies and no longer the enemy Nanman troops. Have fun.

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** The "Nanman Campaign" stages from ''Dynasty Warriors 4'' mostly due to the odds being kept stacking against players to ridiculous levels. After time passes in these stages, the climate starts affecting allied morale; furthermore, every time Meng Huo is defeated, he returns for more, but winds up giving the Nanman a morale boost, to a point where it's exceptionally difficult to get anything done without the allied commander getting defeated. At higher difficulties, it's not uncommon to beat these levesl by one of two three means: playing as the allied commander of the army or by earning 1000 K.O.s to prevent morale loss among allies (which game breaking characters on the tier list have no problem achieving).achieving) or by making a mad dash to Meng Huo's home base, ignoring everything else, forcing Meng Huo to respawn in his base and if you kill him that once, the level's cleared. Also, unlike in the prior installment, the poison marshes only affect you and your allies and no longer the enemy Nanman troops. Have fun.
10th May '17 7:51:02 AM ChrisX
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** Of the "characters who should be included on the roster for the next game", Cheng Pu of the Wu Kingdom is always a top contender, even if his claims are "being around Wu for a very long time since Sun Jian's reign", but without any historical noteworthiness. Koei never seems to take the hint until ''9'', and in ''8'', gave the "served all three Sun warlords (Jian, Ce and Quan)" role to Han Dang; similarly, Liao Hua would be Cheng Pu's Shu Kingdom counterpart, an individual who was part of a faction since its birth to its collapse. Other major candidates would be Sun Shao of the Wu Kingdom[[note]]Sun Ce and Daqiao's adopted son[[/note]] and Yang Hu of the Jin Kingdom[[note]]Cai Wenji's nephew who served Wei and Jin[[/note]].

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** Of the "characters who should be included on the roster for the next game", Cheng Pu of the Wu Kingdom is always a top contender, even if his claims are "being around Wu for a very long time since Sun Jian's reign", but without any historical noteworthiness. Koei never seems to take the hint until He only got in at ''9'', and in ''8'', gave the "served all three Sun warlords (Jian, Ce and Quan)" role to with his fellow Wu veteran Han Dang; Dang already preceding him in ''8''; similarly, Liao Hua would be Cheng Pu's Shu Kingdom counterpart, an individual who was part of a faction since its birth to its collapse. Other major candidates would be Sun Shao of the Wu Kingdom[[note]]Sun Ce and Daqiao's adopted son[[/note]] and Yang Hu of the Jin Kingdom[[note]]Cai Wenji's nephew who served Wei and Jin[[/note]].
9th May '17 8:28:10 PM sayaleviathan
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** Of the "characters who should be included on the roster for the next game", Cheng Pu of the Wu Kingdom is always a top contender, even if his claims are "being around Wu for a very long time since Sun Jian's reign", but without any historical noteworthiness. Koei never seems to take the hint, and in ''8'', gave the "served all three Sun warlords (Jian, Ce and Quan)" role to Han Dang; similarly, Liao Hua would be Cheng Pu's Shu Kingdom counterpart, an individual who was part of a faction since its birth to its collapse. Other major candidates would be Sun Shao of the Wu Kingdom[[note]]Sun Ce and Daqiao's adopted son[[/note]] and Yang Hu of the Jin Kingdom[[note]]Cai Wenji's nephew who served Wei and Jin[[/note]].

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** Of the "characters who should be included on the roster for the next game", Cheng Pu of the Wu Kingdom is always a top contender, even if his claims are "being around Wu for a very long time since Sun Jian's reign", but without any historical noteworthiness. Koei never seems to take the hint, hint until ''9'', and in ''8'', gave the "served all three Sun warlords (Jian, Ce and Quan)" role to Han Dang; similarly, Liao Hua would be Cheng Pu's Shu Kingdom counterpart, an individual who was part of a faction since its birth to its collapse. Other major candidates would be Sun Shao of the Wu Kingdom[[note]]Sun Ce and Daqiao's adopted son[[/note]] and Yang Hu of the Jin Kingdom[[note]]Cai Wenji's nephew who served Wei and Jin[[/note]].
11th Apr '17 2:11:20 AM sayaleviathan
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** The GrandFinale of ''7'' is indeed bittersweet and emotional but the green field where Sima Zhao and Wang Yuanji are standing looked like [[http://i.imgur.com/1XoEBbD.jpg the default Windows XP wallpaper]].
10th Apr '17 1:56:17 PM advent_child
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** Zhao Yun: no matter how many new characters Creator/{{Koei}} can introduce into the series, it's clear he will always be the franchise {{Mascot}}, constantly being on the cover of major installments and the primary focus of the intro [=CG=] movies. In the developer's defense, they needed a character to represent what encompasses OneManArmy the most from a game-play perspective, thus relegated to Yun, citing the Battle at Changban from the novel being the motivating reason (even though it never occurred the way it did historically). While some are feeling tired of Zhao Yun being shoved in their faces perpetually by Koei, especially those who look past the source material and into his actual history, others enjoy the notion that for whatever badass feats he has pulled, inaccurate or not, ''[[RuleOfFun it's still breathtaking]]''.
*** Further exemplified with upcoming SpinOff ''Dynasty Warriors: Eiketsuden'' where Zhao Yun is the ''protagonist of the game''; aside from two OriginalGeneration sharing the spotlight with him, every other historical character plays second fiddle to Yun.

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** Zhao Yun: no matter how many new characters Creator/{{Koei}} [[Creator/{{Koei}} Koei Tecmo]] can introduce into the series, it's clear he will always be the franchise {{Mascot}}, constantly being on the cover of major installments and the primary focus of the intro [=CG=] movies.movies; even SpinOff ''Dynasty Warriors: Godseekers'' places Zhao Yun as the ''protagonist of the game'' (aside from two OriginalGeneration sharing the spotlight with him, every other historical character plays second fiddle to Yun). In the developer's defense, they needed a character to represent what encompasses OneManArmy the most from a game-play perspective, thus relegated to Yun, citing the Battle at Changban from the novel being the motivating reason (even though it never occurred the way it did historically). While some are feeling tired of Zhao Yun being shoved in their faces perpetually by Koei, especially those who look past the source material and into his actual history, others enjoy the notion that for whatever badass feats he has pulled, inaccurate or not, ''[[RuleOfFun it's still breathtaking]]''.
*** Further exemplified with upcoming SpinOff ''Dynasty Warriors: Eiketsuden'' where Zhao Yun is the ''protagonist of the game''; aside from two OriginalGeneration sharing the spotlight with him, every other historical character plays second fiddle to Yun.
breathtaking]]''.



** Zhang Chunhua: While many people love her for her movesets and her unique dynamic with her sons (as she's pretty much the first "mother" introduced in the game's roster), just as many people dislike how her role derailed Sima Yi's character from a MagnificentBastard to HenpeckedHusband.

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** Zhang Chunhua: While while many people players love her for her movesets borrowed move-set and weapon from Sima Yi's ''6'' incarnation, alongside her unique dynamic with her sons (as she's pretty much (being the first "mother" character introduced in for the game's roster), just as many people dislike how her role derailed Sima Yi's presence derails her husband's character from a MagnificentBastard to HenpeckedHusband.
23rd Mar '17 12:45:40 AM SneaselSawashiro
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** Most famously in ''Dynasty Warriors 3'', archers and crossbowmen. Those guys while not bigger than a nuisance in general depending on the stage and difficulty (and if you're early in a character's Musou Mode playthrough or not), but on the later stages (especially Yiling, Wuzhang Plains and Hefei Castle) will nearly rip you a new one with a single shot which is a whole new story. Now imagine taking on those said arrows every few seconds. Chances are you'll need to hop around and/or move in erratic patterns just to make sure you don't get hit, or fight in large groups of either allies and/or enemies (since arrows are the types of projectiles that cannot pierce through units).
23rd Mar '17 12:41:28 AM SneaselSawashiro
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** Zhuge Liang in ''3''. His attacks have short range, his C4 is a bit laggy, his beam attacks have him standing too upright to be effective in juggles and he doesn't really inflict that much damage for enough musou fill. There's a reason why he's ranked as ''the lowest'' on tier-lists for stage completion time/officer-killing. The only sole good strategy with him is to stay at low HP and to spam his True Musou attack.

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** Zhuge Liang in ''3''. His attacks have short range, his C4 is a bit laggy, his beam attacks have him standing too upright to be effective in juggles and he doesn't really inflict that much damage for enough musou fill. There's a reason why he's ranked as ''the lowest'' on tier-lists for stage completion time/officer-killing. The only sole good strategy with him is to stay at low HP and to spam his True Musou attack. However, compare this version to him in [[GameBreaker/DynastyWarriors the fifth installment however...]]



** The "Battle of Yiling" (Shu side) in ''Dynasty Warriors 3'': Wu officers like Lu Meng and Lu Xun are bizarrely overpowered on that level (though not to Hulao Gate-Lu Bu extremes), with huge HP bars and high defense, thus whittling them down takes forever; additionally, [[AnnoyingArrows enemy archers litter the battlefield]]. Playing this stage of hard difficulty makes it easier because, for some reason, Wu officers aren't such a nightmare to fight against on this difficulty setting (especially due to the usual trope applying if played as a late stage in any character's "Musou Mode").

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** The "Battle of Yiling" (Shu side) in ''Dynasty Warriors 3'': Wu officers like Lu Meng and Lu Xun are bizarrely overpowered on that level (though not to Hulao Gate-Lu Bu extremes), with huge HP bars and high defense, thus whittling them down takes forever; additionally, [[AnnoyingArrows enemy archers litter the battlefield]]. Playing this stage of on hard difficulty in Free Mode makes it easier because, for some reason, Wu officers aren't such a nightmare to fight against on this difficulty setting (especially due to the usual trope applying if played as a late stage in any character's "Musou Mode").



** The "Nanman Campaign" stages from ''Dynasty Warriors 4'' mostly due to the odds being kept stacking against players to ridiculous levels. After time passes in these stages, the climate starts affecting allied morale; furthermore, every time Meng Huo is defeated, he returns for more, but winds up giving the Nanman a morale boost, to a point where it's exceptionally difficult to get anything done without the allied commander getting defeated. At higher difficulties, it's not uncommon to beat these levesl by one of two means: playing as the allied commander of the army or by earning 1000 K.O.s to prevent morale loss among allies.

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*** Similarly, Wuzhang Plains from the same installment also gets this flak, since you also have to deal with the Wei forces' rock catapult shenanigans which like many stage hazards, can deal a massive percentage of your current health and can break through your Musou Attack invincibility. The archers there just like on both Yiling and Hefei Castle are just as deadly as ever, and the Wei forces scenario is the most used for Hard Mode clear-time runs for character maximization setups.
** The "Nanman Campaign" stages from ''Dynasty Warriors 4'' mostly due to the odds being kept stacking against players to ridiculous levels. After time passes in these stages, the climate starts affecting allied morale; furthermore, every time Meng Huo is defeated, he returns for more, but winds up giving the Nanman a morale boost, to a point where it's exceptionally difficult to get anything done without the allied commander getting defeated. At higher difficulties, it's not uncommon to beat these levesl by one of two means: playing as the allied commander of the army or by earning 1000 K.O.s to prevent morale loss among allies.allies (which game breaking characters on the tier list have no problem achieving). Also, unlike in the prior installment, the poison marshes only affect you and your allies and no longer the enemy Nanman troops. Have fun.
20th Mar '17 3:56:21 PM SneaselSawashiro
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** Xiahou Yuan has terrible Musou filling, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap that is until in the ''XL'' expansion where his new fifth weapon had the death element]].
** Diao Chan, with her short range range terrible crowd control.

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** Xiahou Yuan in the third title also has terrible Musou filling, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap that is until in the ''XL'' expansion where his new fifth weapon had the death element]].
** Diao Chan, Diaochan, with her short range range terrible crowd control.control. Zhenji also had similar range problems with her C6 being the only best filler move, and also had her normal attack string force her to be airborne (which allowed officers to juggler her and [[AIRoulette make them decide to heal]]); unlike Diaochan however, Zhenji at least had a better Musou Attack.


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** Sun Ce also has a bad moveset, which makes him naturally bad at filling (especially with a laggy C4) and also has a Musou Attack with terrible crowd control.
20th Mar '17 3:48:32 PM SneaselSawashiro
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* NarmCharm: Almost as entertaining as the game itself is the unintentional hilarity accompanying nearly every line of dialogue and dramatic moment.

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* NarmCharm: Almost as entertaining as the game itself is the unintentional hilarity accompanying nearly every line of dialogue and dramatic moment. Very apparent in the third game due to its hilariously awkward voice acting.


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* TierInducedScrappy: There's a lot of examples, but we need to get into the more notable ones especially in both ''3'' and ''4'', starting with the former:
** Zhuge Liang in ''3''. His attacks have short range, his C4 is a bit laggy, his beam attacks have him standing too upright to be effective in juggles and he doesn't really inflict that much damage for enough musou fill. There's a reason why he's ranked as ''the lowest'' on tier-lists for stage completion time/officer-killing. The only sole good strategy with him is to stay at low HP and to spam his True Musou attack.
** Following him was Zhurong, who has her C4 as her only best musou filler, and while also having a subpar Musou Attack that has projectiles that can't penetrate any units (not unlike ''5'' that is).
** Xiahou Yuan has terrible Musou filling, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap that is until in the ''XL'' expansion where his new fifth weapon had the death element]].
** Diao Chan, with her short range range terrible crowd control.
** Sima Yi was similar to Zhuge Liang, only with a powerful Musou charge stat on his fourth weapon and even a lightning element on his C4 for great [=AoE=] and filling, but he suffers from stationary attacking issues especially on both his C4 and Musou, requiring his running attack to be spammed.
** Ma Chao in ''3'' as well, where his Musou Attack is quite inaccurate and he only has an average moveset at best, as well as some subpar bow defense which made him archer meat (though Guan Yu had the lowest in the game).
7th Feb '17 8:20:21 AM Phoenixion
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