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5th Jun '18 12:37:35 PM heliosKAISER
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* TierInducedScrappy: The common consensus on the Champion Martial Archetype as they really don't have the utility that the [[MagicKnight Eldritch Knight]] has or the superiority dice that the [[CombatPragmatist Battlemaster]] has. Even if you hate the lack of options outside combat, the archetype lives up to boring part of BoringButPractial.

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* TierInducedScrappy: The common consensus on the Champion Martial Archetype as they really don't have the utility that the [[MagicKnight Eldritch Knight]] has or the superiority dice that the [[CombatPragmatist Battlemaster]] has. Even if you hate the lack of options outside combat, the archetype lives up to boring part of BoringButPractial.BoringButPractical.
5th Jun '18 12:36:15 PM heliosKAISER
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* TierInducedScrappy: The common consensus on the Champion Martial Archetype as they really don't have the utility that the [[MagicKnight Eldritch Knight]] has or the superiority dice that the [[CombatPragmatist Battlemaster]] has.

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* TierInducedScrappy: The common consensus on the Champion Martial Archetype as they really don't have the utility that the [[MagicKnight Eldritch Knight]] has or the superiority dice that the [[CombatPragmatist Battlemaster]] has. Even if you hate the lack of options outside combat, the archetype lives up to boring part of BoringButPractial.
5th Jun '18 10:33:16 AM heliosKAISER
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* ItsBoringSoItSucks: The common consensus on the Champion Martial Archetype as they really don't have the utility that the [[MagicKnight Eldritch Knight]] has or the superiority dice that the [[CombatPragmatist Battlemaster]] has.

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* ItsBoringSoItSucks: TierInducedScrappy: The common consensus on the Champion Martial Archetype as they really don't have the utility that the [[MagicKnight Eldritch Knight]] has or the superiority dice that the [[CombatPragmatist Battlemaster]] has.
5th Jun '18 10:31:35 AM heliosKAISER
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!!!Fighter
* ItsBoringSoItSucks: The common consensus on the Champion Martial Archetype as they really don't have the utility that the [[MagicKnight Eldritch Knight]] has or the superiority dice that the [[CombatPragmatist Battlemaster]] has.
4th Jun '18 9:00:44 PM superkeaton
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** His most epic moment was when he first came to rule the Hells, when the Gods sent him to punish those who had sinned, signing a contract to say that Asmodeus could do as he wanted with those souls. Shortly thereafter, the Gods noticed that rather fewer mortals were coming to their planes when they died, and more were going to Hell. They soon found out Asmodeus was deliberately tempting mortals to sin, and confronted him, saying that the contract did not give him permission to tempt mortals. He simply smiled at the gods, and said [[ReadTheFinePrint "Read the fine print."]]
** To add to Asmodeus's levels of magnificence, he is one of the few gods in Pathfinder that came directly from D&D, holds the key to the cage of a world eating god, and has a contract with all the other gods stating that they won't attack him, and in return, he won't open the cage.

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** *** His most epic moment was when he first came to rule the Hells, when the Gods sent him to punish those who had sinned, signing a contract to say that Asmodeus could do as he wanted with those souls. Shortly thereafter, the Gods noticed that rather fewer mortals were coming to their planes when they died, and more were going to Hell. They soon found out Asmodeus was deliberately tempting mortals to sin, and confronted him, saying that the contract did not give him permission to tempt mortals. He simply smiled at the gods, and said [[ReadTheFinePrint "Read the fine print."]]
** *** To add to Asmodeus's levels of magnificence, he is one of the few gods in Pathfinder that came directly from D&D, holds the key to the cage of a world eating god, and has a contract with all the other gods stating that they won't attack him, and in return, he won't open the cage.
4th Jun '18 8:51:52 PM superkeaton
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** Asmodeus, ruler of Nessus, Ninth Layer of Baator. He is one of the oldest living things in the multiverse, controlling all of the Nine Hells and standing over every other devil. The gods fear him. He once instigated the Reckoning, an EnemyCivilWar, just to root out the more dangerous of his foes... only to promptly step forward and force all of Baator to submit once it stopped being useful to him. His only reaction to [[TheStarscream Mephistopheles]] threatening to take his throne was an amused silence.\\
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His most epic moment was when he first came to rule the Hells, when the Gods sent him to punish those who had sinned, signing a contract to say that Asmodeus could do as he wanted with those souls. Shortly thereafter, the Gods noticed that rather fewer mortals were coming to their planes when they died, and more were going to Hell. They soon found out Asmodeus was deliberately tempting mortals to sin, and confronted him, saying that the contract did not give him permission to tempt mortals. He simply smiled at the gods, and said "ReadTheFinePrint."\\
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To add to Asmodeus's levels of magnificence, he is one of the few gods in Pathfinder that came directly from D&D, holds the key to the cage of a world eating god, and has a contract with all the other gods stating that they won't attack him, and in return, he won't open the cage.

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** Asmodeus, ruler of Nessus, Ninth Layer of Baator. He is one of the oldest living things in the multiverse, controlling all of the Nine Hells and standing over every other devil. The gods fear him. He once instigated the Reckoning, an EnemyCivilWar, just to root out the more dangerous of his foes... only to promptly step forward and force all of Baator to submit once it stopped being useful to him. His only reaction to [[TheStarscream Mephistopheles]] threatening to take his throne was an amused silence.\\
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silence.
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His most epic moment was when he first came to rule the Hells, when the Gods sent him to punish those who had sinned, signing a contract to say that Asmodeus could do as he wanted with those souls. Shortly thereafter, the Gods noticed that rather fewer mortals were coming to their planes when they died, and more were going to Hell. They soon found out Asmodeus was deliberately tempting mortals to sin, and confronted him, saying that the contract did not give him permission to tempt mortals. He simply smiled at the gods, and said "ReadTheFinePrint."\\
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[[ReadTheFinePrint "Read the fine print."]]
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To add to Asmodeus's levels of magnificence, he is one of the few gods in Pathfinder that came directly from D&D, holds the key to the cage of a world eating god, and has a contract with all the other gods stating that they won't attack him, and in return, he won't open the cage.
4th Jun '18 12:04:37 PM StFan
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** Damodar [[MindRape mind raping]] Marina with the mind worm... thing, coming out of his ears.
** As WebOriginal/TheNostalgiaCritic puts it, "Profion" sounds like a a name for a heartburn medication.

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** Damodar [[MindRape mind raping]] mind-raping]] Marina with the mind worm... thing, coming out of his ears.
** As WebOriginal/TheNostalgiaCritic WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic puts it, "Profion" sounds like a a name for a heartburn medication.
29th May '18 11:11:37 PM jormis29
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** Xilus, leader of the Thieves' Guild, most likely because Richard O'Brien makes him just so entertaining to watch.

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** Xilus, leader of the Thieves' Guild, most likely because Richard O'Brien Creator/RichardOBrien makes him just so entertaining to watch.



** This film also contains Richard O'Brien. This is notable for one very significant reason: he might be ''the most understated actor in the whole film''. Think about that for a minute.

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** This film also contains Richard O'Brien.Creator/RichardOBrien. This is notable for one very significant reason: he might be ''the most understated actor in the whole film''. Think about that for a minute.



* OneSceneWonder: Creator/TomBaker and Richard O'Brien both steal the film in what little screentime they have.

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* OneSceneWonder: Creator/TomBaker and Richard O'Brien Creator/RichardOBrien both steal the film in what little screentime they have.
24th May '18 7:25:59 PM Psychadelico
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!!!Warlord
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Well-liked for being an effective magic-less support class, including unique mechanics for bolstering, rearranging, and supporting allies by giving them more options ([[MemeticMutation "a Barbarian hits you with his axe, a Warlord hits you with his Barbarian"]]). Vanished in the transition from 4e to 5e, and one of the more common complaints of the new edition is that [[AlasPoorScrappy they miss it]].
24th May '18 7:12:30 PM Psychadelico
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* GameBreaker: Considered an even worse one that the cleric. Not only do they have access to similar spell progression, but they gain [[VoluntaryShapeshifting Wild Shape]], which is more powerful than the entire Fighter class! In fact, in a setting where spellcasting was removed, Druids still remained midt to high tier due to this ability alone.

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* GameBreaker: Considered an even worse one that the cleric. Not only do they have access to similar spell progression, but they gain [[VoluntaryShapeshifting Wild Shape]], which is more powerful than the entire Fighter class! In fact, in a setting where spellcasting was removed, Druids still remained midt mid to high tier due to this ability alone.alone.
** As one forum poster summarized it: A brown bear in 3e deals on average about the same damage per round as an 8th-level Fighter. An 8th level Druid is at a minimum two brown bears (one from Wild Shape, one as a pet). Add in spells (which a Druid can cast while still being a bear, due to the aforementioned Natural Spell feat), and the bears can fly, have skin made of stone, throw lightning bolts, ''and'' summon even more bears. Thus "one guy gets a sword and armor, and [the other] is an aggressively hegemonizing ursine swarm".



** There's a substantial and long-running fan divide between rolling dice for stats on character creation [[note]]there are multiple methods in and of itself: roll 4d6 six times, reroll any 1s and remove the lowest; as before but rolling ''seven'' times and then removing the lowest score; as before but the group rolls stats and bases their characters off the results; roll ''2''d6 then add 6; roll 3d8; the list goes on[[/note]] or using the point buy system (every stat at 8, players get 27 points to freely distribute). Advocates of point buy argue their method offers players with a preset character concept in mind a chance to play what they want without forcing them into a mould decided by luck, and is also more balanced as players won't get exceptional rolls and dominate the party and players won't get bad rolls and [[CantCatchUp fall by the wayside]]. Fans of rolling cite the "ritual" aspect of making a character, that point buy lends itself to a degree of {{Munchkin}}ism and players creating "builds" rather than fleshed-out characters, and that rolling offers an element of improv to creating a character concept.

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** There's a substantial and long-running fan divide between rolling dice for stats on character creation [[note]]there are multiple methods in and of itself: roll 4d6 six times, reroll any 1s and remove the lowest; as before but rolling ''seven'' times and then removing the lowest score; as before but the group rolls stats and bases their characters off the results; roll ''2''d6 then add 6; roll 3d8; roll 3d6 down the line and stick to the results; the list goes on[[/note]] or using the point buy system (every stat at 8, players get 27 points to freely distribute). Advocates of point buy argue their method offers players with a preset character concept in mind a chance to play what they want without forcing them into a mould decided by luck, and is also more balanced as players won't get exceptional rolls and dominate the party and players won't get bad rolls and [[CantCatchUp fall by the wayside]]. Fans of rolling cite the "ritual" aspect of making a character, that point buy lends itself to a degree of {{Munchkin}}ism and players creating "builds" rather than fleshed-out characters, and that rolling offers an element of improv to creating a character concept.
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