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22nd Sep '16 5:37:45 PM nombretomado
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** Also the fact that Sheila's voice actress had had a role on ''AdventuresInOdyssey'', which in one episode actually said it was OK to steal and destroy someone else's D&D gear since D&D was immoral.

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** Also the fact that Sheila's voice actress had had a role on ''AdventuresInOdyssey'', ''Radio/AdventuresInOdyssey'', which in one episode actually said it was OK to steal and destroy someone else's D&D gear since D&D was immoral.
2nd Sep '16 1:01:12 PM Hawaii_Knut
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** Damodar [[MindRape mind raping]] Marina with the mind worm... thing, coming out of his ears.
30th Jul '16 10:58:06 AM nombretomado
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** Meepo the Kobold in 3rd Edition. This little lizard-dude, originally just a kill-it-for-stuff encounter in the adventure ''The Sunless Citadel'', was so popular that he made an appearance as an NPC in at least one other adventure, featured in a web-exclusive article in which he became a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot half-dragon were-velociraptor]], and got whisked away to [[{{d20 Modern}} another dimension]] in which he obtained a magical pump-action shotgun. Truly, Meepo is the pinnacle of koboldian awesomesauce. He even makes a cameo in d20 modern.

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** Meepo the Kobold in 3rd Edition. This little lizard-dude, originally just a kill-it-for-stuff encounter in the adventure ''The Sunless Citadel'', was so popular that he made an appearance as an NPC in at least one other adventure, featured in a web-exclusive article in which he became a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot half-dragon were-velociraptor]], and got whisked away to [[{{d20 Modern}} [[TabletopGame/D20Modern another dimension]] in which he obtained a magical pump-action shotgun. Truly, Meepo is the pinnacle of koboldian awesomesauce. He even makes a cameo in d20 modern.
13th Jul '16 9:05:01 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: By virtue of being a Tome of Battle class.

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%% * BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: By virtue of being a Tome of Battle class.



* BaseBreaker: By virtue of being a Tome of Battle class. It's also the most overtly pseudomagical of the three, so haters who know what they're talking about hate the Swordsage the most.

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%% * BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: By virtue of being a Tome of Battle class. It's also the most overtly pseudomagical of the three, so haters who know what they're talking about hate the Swordsage the most.



* BaseBreaker: By virtue of being a Tome of Battle class.

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%% * BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: By virtue of being a Tome of Battle class.



* BaseBreaker: Uni: either you like her because she's [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter cute]] or hate her due to her annoying voice.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Uni: either you like her because she's [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter cute]] or hate her due to her annoying voice.
5th Jul '16 7:03:35 PM TheNerfGuy
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** TrueNeutral: In 1st Edition, to become a bard, one needed to take levels in druid first. Since all druids had to be TrueNeutral, by extension, so too were all bards.

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** * TrueNeutral: In 1st Edition, to become a bard, one needed to take levels in druid first. Since all druids had to be TrueNeutral, by extension, so too were all bards.



* GameBreaker: See the cleric.
* NeutralGood, LawfulNeutral, TrueNeutral, ChaoticNeutral, NeutralEvil: all alignments available to third edition druids.
** TrueNeutral: Prior to 3rd Edition, all druids had to be this alignment.

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* GameBreaker: See Considered an even worse one that the cleric.
* NeutralGood, LawfulNeutral, TrueNeutral, ChaoticNeutral, NeutralEvil: all alignments available
cleric. Not only do they have access to third edition druids.
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similar spell progression, but they gain [[VoluntaryShapeshifting Wild Shape]], which is more powerful than the entire Fighter class! In fact, in a setting where spellcasting was removed, Druids still remained midt to high tier due to this ability alone.
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TrueNeutral: Prior to 3rd Edition, all druids had to be this alignment.
alignment. Later editions required Druids to have at least one neutral aspect (Lawful Neutral, Neutral Good, Chaotic Neutral, or Neutral Evil.)



** LawfulStupid: Unfortunately, there are players who play this alignment when playing a paladin. And if they aren't, well, there's a chance a [[KillerGameMaster KillerDM]] or a ChaoticStupid party member will make it their goal to force the paladin into a case of StupidityIsTheOnlyOption to get them to fall.

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** * LawfulStupid: Unfortunately, there are players who play this alignment when playing a paladin. And if they aren't, well, there's a chance a [[KillerGameMaster KillerDM]] or a ChaoticStupid party member will make it their goal to force the paladin into a case of StupidityIsTheOnlyOption to get them to fall.



* TierInducedScrappy: The Samurai is like the Fighter, but with less options.

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* TierInducedScrappy: TierInducedScrappy:
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The Samurai is like the Fighter, but with less options.



*** Even worse: A TWFing Ranger outclasses a Complete Warrior Samurai. At least the Oriental Adventures one was decent!
*** When a class is designed around one of the weakest combat mechanics (Dual Wielding is arguably best optimized by sheathing one of the weapons)

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*** Even worse: ** A TWFing Ranger outclasses a Complete Warrior Samurai. At least the Oriental Adventures one was decent!
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decent! When a class is designed around one of the weakest combat mechanics (Dual Wielding is arguably best optimized by sheathing one of the weapons)
mechanics...



* TierInducedScrappy: Because you can't enchant a Mind Blade like you can a physical weapon, a Soulknife tends to do less damage than a fighter of equal level.

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* TierInducedScrappy: TierInducedScrappy:
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Because you can't enchant a Mind Blade like you can a physical weapon, a Soulknife tends to do less damage than a fighter of equal level.



* GameBreaker[=/=]TheScrappy: Was intended to break the game according to the GameBreaker page definition and it can at level 19, instead it breaks the game by being poorly designed. This would be considered a TierInducedScrappy except it literally is the only class not to be rated on the tier system for 3.X due to the simple fact that its completely incompatible with the rest of D&D. For starters, as it gains levels, it becomes much harder to use its core mechanics. Only by min-maxing to the extreme can it be viable, and the turnaround point is level 19, at which point it can contribute to combat.

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* GameBreaker[=/=]TheScrappy: Was intended to break GameBreaker: This was the game intention according to the GameBreaker page definition and it can at level 19, but instead it breaks the game by being poorly designed. This would be considered a TierInducedScrappy except it literally is the only class not to be rated on the tier system for 3.X due to the simple fact that its completely incompatible with the rest of D&D. For starters, as it gains levels, it becomes much harder to use its core mechanics. Only by min-maxing to the extreme can it be viable, and the turnaround point is level 19, at which point it can contribute to combat.



* AuthorsSavingThrow: Some believe the Hellfire Warlock prestige class was one of these; nearly all warlocks can qualify by its level, and the hellfire bonus puts to bed the most common criticism of a warlock 9d6 damage at 20th level is piddley, but 15d6 in exchange for a tiny bit of Con damage can still pack a whallop.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Some believe the Hellfire Warlock prestige class was one of these; nearly all warlocks can qualify by its level, and the hellfire bonus puts to bed the most common criticism of a warlock 9d6 damage at 20th level is piddley, but 15d6 in exchange for a tiny bit of Con damage can still pack a whallop.wallop.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Meepo the Kobold in 3rd Edition. This little lizard-dude, originally just a kill-it-for-stuff encounter in the adventure ''The Sunless Citadel'', was so popular that he made an appearance as an NPC in at least one other adventure, featured in a web-exclusive article in which he became a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot half-dragon were-velociraptor]], and got whisked away to [[{{d20 Modern}} another dimension]] in which he obtained a magical pump-action shotgun. Truly, Meepo is the pinnacle of koboldian awesomesauce. He even makes a cameo in d20 modern.
** As far as races go, the [[MechanicalLifeforms Warforged]] from ''{{Eberron}}'' were '''very''' well received. The [[BeastMan Shifters]] were also well-liked, but not as much as the Warforged.
*** As a matter of fact, these two races ([[AndZoidberg and Changelings]]) were put in as monsters in the first 4E Monster Manual, and Shifters were introduced as a playable race in the second 4e Player's Handbook. Warforged were made playable in any setting thanks to a free(!) Dragon article on Wizards' official site.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Meepo the Kobold in 3rd Edition. This little lizard-dude, originally just a kill-it-for-stuff encounter in the adventure ''The Sunless Citadel'', was so popular that he made an appearance as an NPC in at least one other adventure, featured in a web-exclusive article in which he became a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot half-dragon were-velociraptor]], and got whisked away to [[{{d20 Modern}} another dimension]] in which he obtained a magical pump-action shotgun. Truly, Meepo is the pinnacle of koboldian awesomesauce. He even makes a cameo in d20 modern.
** As far as races go, the [[MechanicalLifeforms Warforged]] from ''{{Eberron}}'' were '''very''' well received. The [[BeastMan Shifters]] were also well-liked, but not as much as the Warforged.
*** As a matter of fact, these
Warforged.\\
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These
two races ([[AndZoidberg and Changelings]]) were put in as monsters in the first 4E Monster Manual, and Shifters were introduced as a playable race in the second 4e Player's Handbook. Warforged were made playable in any setting thanks to a free(!) Dragon article on Wizards' official site.



* FridgeHorror + SexTropes: The reproduction problems of faced by Lamias, Sphinxes, certain Templates, and quite a few other HalfHumanHybrid MixAndMatchCritters. Averted in the case of Driders who are created sterile.

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* FridgeHorror + SexTropes: FridgeHorror: The reproduction problems of faced by Lamias, Sphinxes, certain Templates, and quite a few other HalfHumanHybrid MixAndMatchCritters. Averted in the case of Driders who are created sterile.



* MagnificentBastard: Asmodeus, most notably. [=Grazz't=], Dagon and Pazuzu also count.
** The Forsaken are an entire ''race'' of Magnificent Bastards.

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* MagnificentBastard: Several.
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Asmodeus, ruler of Nessus, Ninth Layer of Baator. He is one of the oldest living things in the multiverse, controlling all of the Nine Hells and standing over every other devil. The gods fear him. He once instigated the Reckoning, an EnemyCivilWar, just to root out the more dangerous of his foes... only to promptly step forward and force all of Baator to submit once it stopped being useful to him. His only reaction to [[TheStarscream Mephistopheles]] threatening to take his throne was an amused silence.\\
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His
most notably. [=Grazz't=], epic moment was when he first came to rule the Hells, when the Gods sent him to punish those who had sinned, signing a contract to say that Asmodeus could do as he wanted with those souls. Shortly thereafter, the Gods noticed that rather fewer mortals were coming to their planes when they died, and more were going to Hell. They soon found out Asmodeus was deliberately tempting mortals to sin, and confronted him, saying that the contract did not give him permission to tempt mortals. He simply smiled at the gods, and said "ReadTheFinePrint."\\
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To add to Asmodeus's levels of magnificence, he is one of the few gods in Pathfinder that came directly from D&D, holds the key to the cage of a world eating god, and has a contract with all the other gods stating that they won't attack him, and in return, he won't open the cage.
** Baalzebul, Lord of the Flies. Baalzebul was almost as magnificent as Asmodeus himself. He was a former angel who went to hell and did such a good job taking over that he completely removed all [[UnPerson knowledge of his predecessor's name and identity from existence]]. He managed to control ''two'' levels of Hell, one himself and one through a viceroy, Moloch. Add to that, he actually had Asmodeus' favor. Unfortunately for Baalzebul, during that civil war he led an insurrection that tried to take Asmodeus down. He was thwarted when Mephistopheles' troops turned on the insurrection, and then Asmodeus punished him by changing his form from that of an angel to that of a slug. Baalzebul's still the #3 guy in Hell (behind Asmodeus and Mephistopheles), but looking like a slug demotes him from MagnificentBastard to TheChessmaster.
** Mephistopheles can be pretty magnificent as well. He rules the Eighth Hell, a frozen realm called Cania. After the Reckoning, he settled into his throne to brood while his court carried on around him, his voice only heard on the whispering winds until it seemed Mephistopheles had frozen in place. One of his court, Baron Molikroth, staged a coup against Mephistopheles and brought all his co-conspirators together in triumph. At which point Molikroth revealed he was just a false persona Mephistopheles wore, that his centuries of silence had been a cover as he tapped into the hidden power of hellfire (so hot it could even burn devils), and proceeded to scourge his court of all traitors. And this is only one of his more recent grand schemes, given one has to be quite the schemer to take and hold any of the Nine Hells in the first place, much less one of the deeper ones.
** Graz'zt has about the same traits of intelligence and patience as Dagon, which let him control not one, but ''three'' layers. He managed to trick a goddess of wealth and trapped her, and he continues to survive even after her subsequent escape. He also manages to manipulate other demon lords like Yeenoghu into fighting his battles for him without drawing attention to himself.
** The Demon Lord, Dagon. Like other Demons, he is ChaoticEvil. ''Unlike'' other Demons however, he is intelligent, rational, and above all, ''patient''. He is reported to be the first Demon Lord spawned from the Abyss, and uses his vast knowledge to manipulate the minds of mortals and demons alike. Oh, and his alliance with Demogorgon, which makes him seem like TheDragon? It's heavily implied that their alliance is [[DragonWithAnAgenda part of a greater scheme in Dagon's benefit]], and in fact he plays a big role in the continuing feud between Demogorgon's SplitPersonality issue. (He only speaks to one of Demogorgon's two minds when giving advice.). Finally, if you look at him, you become terrified of the sea. Did we forget to mention that
Dagon lives at the bottom of an Abyssal ocean? ''His very existence insulates him from retribution.''
** Another Magnificent (in this case) Bitch would be Lolth. She may seem insane but like Tzeentch, she is either that or very sane. She favors chaos
and Pazuzu looks out for too much cooperation between drow but at the same time, she makes certain that they do not cause too much chaos. She looks on those who cause chaos in normal drow society with favor [[spoiler: and she doesn't limit herself to evil ones, at that]]. She also count.
orchestrated [[spoiler:the deaths of several of her own children, to ensure that she'd remain as the sole deity of the drow, also being one of the main factors that could have lead to the Spellplague]]. When she went silent to the drow prayers for a long time, she used this time to [[spoiler:reestablish herself as a new greater deity, moving the Demonweb Pits away from the Abyss and confirm it as its own plane of existence]].
** Pazuzu. He is known for coming in to aid mortals when [[SpeakOfTheDevil they speak his name three times in succession.]] He can even grant a wish. All it requires it for you to take one step closer to chaotic evil. Being a Chaotic Evil Demon Lord, that's his modus operandi: tempting mortals to evil so he can devour their purity and innocence. As an obyrith, he is [[TimeAbyss incredibly ancient]], and he didn't survive this long by simply being tough; he did so by being cunning and knowing exactly how to manipulate his enemies, allies, and victims to his benefit.
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The Forsaken are an entire ''race'' of Magnificent Bastards.



* GameBreaker: Numerous in all editions, although 3rd edition is particularly famous for this, due to the sheer volume of various mechanical goodies, provided by its supplements, as well as the generally high power level of the characters. Notable in 4th edition for having at least two discovered ''before the game was released''. Errata has fixed most of 4e's breaking stuff, but not all. Some examples:

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* GameBreaker: GameBreaker:
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Numerous in all editions, although 3rd edition is particularly famous for this, due to the sheer volume of various mechanical goodies, provided by its supplements, as well as the generally high power level of the characters. Notable in 4th edition for having at least two discovered ''before the game was released''. Errata has fixed most of 4e's breaking stuff, but not all. Some examples:
14th Jun '16 1:39:16 PM WilliamSyler
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* BrokenBase: The 5e development team released a special Unearthed Arcana revolving entirely around five levels of a completely-rebuilt ranger class. Opinions are divided between those who like the change, those who dislike it, but feel it's a good sign that the developers are listening to their feedback, and those who feel it is firm evidence that the game designers are just ''clueless'' when it comes to the ranger, fixated on mending things that aren't broken while ignoring the class's core problems.



* TierInducedScrappy: Generally seen as the weakest 5th edition class. There are very few things a ranger can do out of combat that other classes can't do, and probably do better. In combat, they rely heavily on a very limited selection of spells, and stack up unfavorably against both fighters and paladins. And the mechanics behind their animal companions ''suck''.

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* TierInducedScrappy: Generally seen as the weakest 5th edition class. There are very few things a ranger can do out of combat that other classes can't do, and probably do better. In combat, they rely heavily on a very limited selection of spells, and stack up unfavorably against both fighters and paladins. And the mechanics behind their animal companions ''suck''.



* TierInducedScrappy: It's widely considered to be one of the worst, if not the worst designed class of this edition, due to most of its features being extremely situational.

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* BrokenBase: The 5e development team released a special Unearthed Arcana revolving entirely around five levels of a completely-rebuilt ranger class. Opinions are divided between those who like the change, those who dislike it, but feel it's a good sign that the developers are listening to their feedback, and those who feel it is firm evidence that the game designers are just ''clueless'' when it comes to the ranger, fixated on mending things that aren't broken while ignoring the class's core problems.
* TierInducedScrappy: It's widely considered to be one of Generally seen as the worst, if not weakest 5th edition class. There are very few things a ranger can do out of combat that other classes can't do, and probably do better. In combat, they rely heavily on a very limited selection of spells, and stack up unfavorably against both fighters and paladins. And the worst designed class of this edition, due to most of its features being extremely situational.mechanics behind their animal companions ''suck''.
20th May '16 10:10:25 PM BananaPancakes
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* BrokenAesop: The movie presents class equality as good except its primary advocate is an empress who wouldn't be bound by it herself.

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* BrokenAesop: The movie presents class equality as good except its primary advocate is an empress who wouldn't be bound by it herself. Furthermore, the Council of Mages alone will form the closest thing to a legislature, i.e. the primary check on a head of state's power, Izmer has, both before and after the [[spoiler:successful]] revolution.



* FashionVictimVillain: Damador's blue lipstick, although it may have been due to a drug problem (the [[FantasticDrug in-setting drug]] Sannish think morphine if it came from dogs instead of poppies dyes the users lips blue).
* FridgeLogic: The Empress attacks with a flock of Golden Dragons, AKA Fire monsters. The wizards counterattack with fireballs and Red Dragons!? So, you're attacking a creature immune to fire with fire!? WTF!?

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* FashionVictimVillain: Damador's Damodar's blue lipstick, although it may have been due to a drug problem (the [[FantasticDrug in-setting drug]] Sannish think morphine if it came from dogs instead of poppies dyes the users lips blue).
* FridgeLogic: The Empress attacks with a flock of Golden Dragons, AKA Fire monsters. The wizards Mages counterattack with fireballs and Red Dragons!? So, you're attacking a creature immune to fire with fire!? WTF!?



28th Feb '16 5:31:31 PM jameygamer
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* SnarkBait: The plot of the movie and Jeremy Irons and TheDragon hamming it up in every scene they appear in guaranteed the movie would become this.
24th Feb '16 10:07:35 AM peixe200
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[[folder:5th Edition Classes]]
!!!Ranger
* TierInducedScrappy: It's widely considered to be one of the worst, if not the worst designed class of this edition, due to most of its features being extremely situational.
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17th Feb '16 2:52:58 PM Laevatein
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** Before the internet even became widespread, "Do female dwarves have beards?" and "Should players be allowed to play evil characters" were Magazine Letter Column Backdrafts.
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