History YMMV / Dune

18th Aug '16 12:53:27 PM Tre
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* BrokenBase: While most fans agree about the [[{{Sequelitis}} quality]] of the non-Frank Herbert novels (even if some still accept them), there is significant friction between fans of the DavidLynch [[Film/{{Dune}} movie]] and SciFiChannel [[Series/{{Dune}} miniseries]] adaptations. Hell, evidence of it is available on these very pages! The casting, acting, and costumes have been criticized by [[BrokenBase both sides]]. Criticisms of each side:

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* BrokenBase: While most fans agree about the [[{{Sequelitis}} quality]] of the non-Frank Herbert novels (even if some still accept them), there is significant friction between fans of the DavidLynch [[Film/{{Dune}} movie]] and SciFiChannel [[Creator/{{Syfy}} Sci-Fi Channel]] [[Series/{{Dune}} miniseries]] adaptations. Hell, evidence of it is available on these very pages! The casting, acting, and costumes have been criticized by [[BrokenBase both sides]]. Criticisms of each side:



** The [[Series/{{Dune}} SciFi version]] of the first novel had the budget you'd expect from a cable miniseries and is more of an attempt at a TV drama than an outright movie epic. The issue is complicated by the SciFiChannel ''Series/ChildrenOfDune'' sequel (which includes the events of Literature/DuneMessiah), which is generally accepted as much higher quality, as well as being the only adaptation of the sequels on film. Since most actors reprised their roles, it's hard to "choose" the Lynch version of the original and still accept the sequel.

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** The [[Series/{{Dune}} SciFi version]] of the first novel had the budget you'd expect from a cable miniseries and is more of an attempt at a TV drama than an outright movie epic. The issue is complicated by the SciFiChannel [[Creator/{{Syfy}} Sci-Fi Channel]] ''Series/ChildrenOfDune'' sequel (which includes the events of Literature/DuneMessiah), which is generally accepted as much higher quality, as well as being the only adaptation of the sequels on film. Since most actors reprised their roles, it's hard to "choose" the Lynch version of the original and still accept the sequel.



** The 2000 SciFi miniseries used painted backdrops with piles of sand in front of them for most of the desert scenes.

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** The 2000 SciFi [[Creator/{{Syfy}} Sci Fi]] miniseries used painted backdrops with piles of sand in front of them for most of the desert scenes.



** The 2000 SciFi miniseries is infamous for this. The hats. Feyd's triangle. Butterfly dress. It is called [[FanNickname "the funny hats version"]] for a reason.

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** The 2000 SciFi [[Creator/{{Syfy}} Sci Fi Channel]] miniseries is infamous for this. The hats. Feyd's triangle. Butterfly dress. It is called [[FanNickname "the funny hats version"]] for a reason.
31st Jul '16 6:47:59 PM Megafighter343
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* DesignatedHero/DesignatedVillain: The Lynch film seems to make the story a bit more black and white than the original book, even going as far as to explicitly have Paul literally turn out to be TheChosenOne. We're supposed to be cheering when he overthrows the evil emperor... except that, when you get down to it, the Emperor didn't really ''do'' much that could be seen as "evil" unless one has read the book. To one who hasn't, he could come across as someone reluctantly pressed by another extremely powerful group into killing someone, who only actually leads an armed assault once Paul is doing things that could technically be considered terrorism. (It doesn't help the Emperor's daughter gives the opening narration.)

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* DesignatedHero/DesignatedVillain: DesignatedHero / DesignatedVillain: The Lynch film seems to make the story a bit more black and white than the original book, even going as far as to explicitly have Paul literally turn out to be TheChosenOne. We're supposed to be cheering when he overthrows the evil emperor... except that, when you get down to it, the Emperor didn't really ''do'' much that could be seen as "evil" unless one has read the book. To one who hasn't, he could come across as someone reluctantly pressed by another extremely powerful group into killing someone, who only actually leads an armed assault once Paul is doing things that could technically be considered terrorism. (It doesn't help the Emperor's daughter gives the opening narration.)
30th Jul '16 1:48:02 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: ''Series/ChildrenOfDune'' improved upon the original mini-series in every conceivable way, from the acting, tone, music, and flow of the plot, and especially the costuming and visual effects.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Lynch wanted the music for the scenes on Caladan to be based on the first movement of Music/DmitriShostakovich's 11th Symphony.



* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: ''Series/ChildrenOfDune'' improved upon the original mini-series in every conceivable way, from the acting, tone, music, and flow of the plot, and especially the costuming and visual effects.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Lynch wanted the music for the scenes on Caladan to be based on the first movement of Music/DmitriShostakovich's 11th Symphony.
30th Jul '16 1:46:33 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* UnfortunateImplications: Film scholar Robin Wood called Dune "the most obscenely homophobic film I have ever seen", –referring to a scene in which Baron Harkonnen sexually assaults and kills a young man by bleeding him to death–charging it with "managing to associate with homosexuality in a single scene physical grossness, moral depravity, violence and disease." Gay writer Dennis Altman suggested that the film showed how "AIDS references began penetrating popular culture" in the 1980s, asking, "Was it just an accident that in the film Dune the homosexual villain had suppurating sores on his face?"
18th Jul '16 9:50:42 AM Nopperabo
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance:
** None of the characters bat an eyelash at practices such as slavery, concubinage, gladiatorial fights, and institutionalized child abuse (specifically, the Bene Geserit gom jabbar test used on would-be initiates).
** Fremen cultural practices, such as [[KlingonPromotion succession through killing]], settling disputes through [[DuelToTheDeath duels]], and duel victors' inheritance of opponents' wives as spoils, contrast sharply to 21st century western values.
** In ''Dune Messiah'', Stilgar thinks that Alia should marry so that she'll have an outlet for her budding sexuality. Alia is in her ''early teens'' in the book.
16th Jun '16 2:25:44 PM Nopperabo
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-->"And how is this possible? For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!" (Alternatively: "I AM THE KWISATZ HADERACH!")

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-->"And how is can this possible? be? For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!" (Alternatively: "I AM THE KWISATZ HADERACH!")
16th Jun '16 2:23:38 PM Nopperabo
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Spice is essential to the functioning of TheEmpire's economy, including its transport system. It's found in a desert that's home to a tribal society with unfamiliar customs with whom it's necessary to do business to get the stuff, whose religion is directly descended from {{Islam}}. DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Indeed, WordOfGod says the analogy is intentional.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: {{Anvilicious}}:
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Spice is essential to the functioning of TheEmpire's economy, including its transport system. It's found in a desert that's home to a tribal society with unfamiliar customs with whom it's necessary to do business to get the stuff, whose religion is directly descended from {{Islam}}. DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Indeed, WordOfGod says the analogy is intentional.



* DeliberateValuesDissonance: None of the characters bat an eyelash at practices such as slavery, concubinage, gladiatorial fights, and institutionalized child abuse (specifically, the Bene Geserit gom jabbar test used on would-be initiates).
** Fremen cultural practices, such as [[KlingonPromotion succession through killing]], settling disputes through [[DuelToTheDeath duels]], and duel victors' inheritance of opponents' wives as spoils, contrast sharply to 21st century western values.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: DeliberateValuesDissonance:
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None of the characters bat an eyelash at practices such as slavery, concubinage, gladiatorial fights, and institutionalized child abuse (specifically, the Bene Geserit gom jabbar test used on would-be initiates).
** Fremen cultural practices, such as [[KlingonPromotion succession through killing]], settling disputes through [[DuelToTheDeath duels]], and duel victors' inheritance of opponents' wives as spoils, contrast sharply to 21st century western values. values.
** In ''Dune Messiah'', Stilgar thinks that Alia should marry so that she'll have an outlet for her budding sexuality. Alia is in her ''early teens'' in the book.
21st May '16 11:33:15 PM erttheking
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: None of the characters bat an eyelash at practices such as slavery, concubinage, gladiatorial fights, and institutionalized child abuse (specifically, the Bene Geserit gom jabbar test used on would-be initiates).
** Fremen cultural practices, such as [[KlingonPromotion succession through killing]], settling disputes through [[DuelToTheDeath duels]], and duel victors' inheritance of opponents' wives as spoils, contrast sharply to 21st century western values.



* ValuesDissonance: None of the characters bat an eyelash at practices such as slavery, concubinage, gladiatorial fights, and institutionalized child abuse (specifically, the Bene Geserit gom jabbar test used on would-be initiates).
** Fremen cultural practices, such as [[KlingonPromotion succession through killing]], settling disputes through [[DuelToTheDeath duels]], and duel victors' inheritance of opponents' wives as spoils, contrast sharply to 21st century western values.
7th May '16 12:08:09 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* GodModeSue: Paul Atreides is famously this, but he's also one of the greatest subversions (or even {{deconstruction}}s) of this trope in sci-fi literature. Paul has all the earmarks of what would be a complete Gary Stu: Son of an influential Duke, trained by the best swordsmen and tacticians in the galaxy, trained as a Mentat human computer, one of the few males trained in the "Weirding Way" of the Bene Gesserit sisterhood, prophetic powers, destined to become a galactic Messiah, and gaining leadership of the most BadAssArmy in the Imperium. It turns out [[spoiler:being a supposed Messiah to a certain people sucks, and he ends a far worse tyrant than those he replaced. He's also unable to prevent the death of the woman he loves. On the other hand, he eventually rebels against his past mistakes and failures and becomes an [[TheAtoner atoner]] who opposes the tyrannical regime created in his name.]]
5th Mar '16 6:59:31 AM OlfinBedwere
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** It even extends to the unmade Alejandro Jodorowsky version, opinions on which range anywhere from it being a lost masterpiece, to being an interesting story that wasn't really a good representation of Frank Herbert's novels, to being just psychedelic crap.
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