History YMMV / Dune

16th Jun '16 2:25:44 PM Nopperabo
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-->"And how is this possible? For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!" (Alternatively: "I AM THE KWISATZ HADERACH!")

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-->"And how is can this possible? be? For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach!" (Alternatively: "I AM THE KWISATZ HADERACH!")
16th Jun '16 2:23:38 PM Nopperabo
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Spice is essential to the functioning of TheEmpire's economy, including its transport system. It's found in a desert that's home to a tribal society with unfamiliar customs with whom it's necessary to do business to get the stuff, whose religion is directly descended from {{Islam}}. DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Indeed, WordOfGod says the analogy is intentional.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: {{Anvilicious}}:
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Spice is essential to the functioning of TheEmpire's economy, including its transport system. It's found in a desert that's home to a tribal society with unfamiliar customs with whom it's necessary to do business to get the stuff, whose religion is directly descended from {{Islam}}. DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Indeed, WordOfGod says the analogy is intentional.



* DeliberateValuesDissonance: None of the characters bat an eyelash at practices such as slavery, concubinage, gladiatorial fights, and institutionalized child abuse (specifically, the Bene Geserit gom jabbar test used on would-be initiates).
** Fremen cultural practices, such as [[KlingonPromotion succession through killing]], settling disputes through [[DuelToTheDeath duels]], and duel victors' inheritance of opponents' wives as spoils, contrast sharply to 21st century western values.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: DeliberateValuesDissonance:
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None of the characters bat an eyelash at practices such as slavery, concubinage, gladiatorial fights, and institutionalized child abuse (specifically, the Bene Geserit gom jabbar test used on would-be initiates).
** Fremen cultural practices, such as [[KlingonPromotion succession through killing]], settling disputes through [[DuelToTheDeath duels]], and duel victors' inheritance of opponents' wives as spoils, contrast sharply to 21st century western values. values.
** In ''Dune Messiah'', Stilgar thinks that Alia should marry so that she'll have an outlet for her budding sexuality. Alia is in her ''early teens'' in the book.
21st May '16 11:33:15 PM erttheking
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: None of the characters bat an eyelash at practices such as slavery, concubinage, gladiatorial fights, and institutionalized child abuse (specifically, the Bene Geserit gom jabbar test used on would-be initiates).
** Fremen cultural practices, such as [[KlingonPromotion succession through killing]], settling disputes through [[DuelToTheDeath duels]], and duel victors' inheritance of opponents' wives as spoils, contrast sharply to 21st century western values.



* ValuesDissonance: None of the characters bat an eyelash at practices such as slavery, concubinage, gladiatorial fights, and institutionalized child abuse (specifically, the Bene Geserit gom jabbar test used on would-be initiates).
** Fremen cultural practices, such as [[KlingonPromotion succession through killing]], settling disputes through [[DuelToTheDeath duels]], and duel victors' inheritance of opponents' wives as spoils, contrast sharply to 21st century western values.
7th May '16 12:08:09 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* GodModeSue: Paul Atreides is famously this, but he's also one of the greatest subversions (or even {{deconstruction}}s) of this trope in sci-fi literature. Paul has all the earmarks of what would be a complete Gary Stu: Son of an influential Duke, trained by the best swordsmen and tacticians in the galaxy, trained as a Mentat human computer, one of the few males trained in the "Weirding Way" of the Bene Gesserit sisterhood, prophetic powers, destined to become a galactic Messiah, and gaining leadership of the most BadAssArmy in the Imperium. It turns out [[spoiler:being a supposed Messiah to a certain people sucks, and he ends a far worse tyrant than those he replaced. He's also unable to prevent the death of the woman he loves. On the other hand, he eventually rebels against his past mistakes and failures and becomes an [[TheAtoner atoner]] who opposes the tyrannical regime created in his name.]]
5th Mar '16 6:59:31 AM OlfinBedwere
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** It even extends to the unmade Alejandro Jodorowsky version, opinions on which range anywhere from it being a lost masterpiece, to being an interesting story that wasn't really a good representation of Frank Herbert's novels, to being just psychedelic crap.
27th Feb '16 10:12:53 PM GhostLad
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* InformedWrongness: An early scene in the first book has the Reverend Mother making a flattering remark about eugenics in front of Paul, and Paul inwardly notes that the notion has offended his "instinct for rightness." The book never elaborates on this. [[HitlerAteSugar Maybe Frank Herbert didn't think he had to?]]
15th Feb '16 10:29:00 PM AnotherGuy
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* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/PatrickStewart, who played Gurney Halleck in the David Lynch film, is already famous as [[Film/XMen Professor X]]. Then, Creator/JamesMcAvoy, who played Leto Atreides II in the 2000 miniseries, nows plays the younger version of [[Film/XMenFirstClass Professor]] [[Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast X]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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Creator/PatrickStewart, who played Gurney Halleck in the David Lynch film, is already famous as [[Film/XMen Professor X]]. Then, Creator/JamesMcAvoy, who played Leto Atreides II in the 2000 miniseries, nows plays the younger version of [[Film/XMenFirstClass Professor]] [[Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast X]].
** Even funnier, the shields used while he and Paul spar look ''exactly'' like the Borg shields from ''The Next Generation''.
26th Jan '16 6:02:54 PM PeabodySam
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* {{Narm}}: The "weirding modules" from the 1984 film. The Fremen fire lasers out of small boxes by making silly sounds with their mouths.



** The "weirding modules" from the 1984 film. The Fremen fire lasers out of small boxes by making silly sounds with their mouths.
15th Jan '16 1:15:13 AM Anddrix
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Many fans vehemently refuse to acknowledge any ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' books not written by Frank Herbert. Herbert's son Brian and Kevin J. Anderson wrote two prequel series as well as a sequel series of two novels. Both [[ViewersAreMorons differences in writing style]], as well as serious inconsistencies with the original material, contribute to this reaction.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Many fans vehemently refuse to acknowledge any ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' books not written by Frank Herbert. Herbert's son Brian and Kevin J. Anderson wrote two prequel series as well as a sequel series of two novels. Both [[ViewersAreMorons differences in writing style]], style, as well as serious inconsistencies with the original material, contribute to this reaction.
23rd Dec '15 12:36:26 PM VioletVisions
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* Even more obviously, the most sucessful parts of said rebellion are very brutal themselves (and at least as patriarchal as the Fremen) and they aren't just interested in freeing their home country from foreign rule anymore, but their most recent leader has proclaimed himself the rightful religious ruler of a large part of the world and is quite serious about conquering it through jihad... (Thankfully the RockBeatsLaser aspect of the books doesn't translate to the real world, at least outside of local guerilla warfare.)

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* ** Even more obviously, the most sucessful parts of said rebellion are very brutal themselves (and at least as patriarchal as the Fremen) and they aren't just interested in freeing their home country from foreign rule anymore, but their most recent leader has proclaimed himself the rightful religious ruler of a large part of the world and is quite serious about conquering it through jihad... (Thankfully the RockBeatsLaser aspect of the books doesn't translate to the real world, at least outside of local guerilla warfare.)
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