History YMMV / Dumbo

11th May '18 1:20:19 PM Gamernerd717
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** Dumbo flying
10th May '18 5:23:02 PM Tightwire
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Crows. Many modern viewers feel that they are a racist, stereotypical portrayal of African Americans (the fact that the leader is named Jim Crow does not help). Others point out that they are the only characters aside from Timothy who are sympathetic to Dumbo and help him and are portrayed as being very clever, a trait not shown in stereotypical African American characters.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Crows. Many modern Some viewers feel claim that they are a racist, stereotypical racist portrayal of African Americans (the fact and that the leader is named Jim Crow does not help). they are portrayed as unemployed layabouts. Others point out that while dressed stereotypically so that the audience knows they are 'black', they are the only characters aside from Timothy who are sympathetic to Dumbo and readily help him and him. They additionally point out that it is ''Timothy'' they initially mock for ''his'' ridiculous idea of an elephant flying, ergo standing up to his 'authority'. They are also portrayed as being very clever, a trait not previously shown in stereotypical African American characters. characters.
** Jim Crow, leader of the crows, is never named on screen and it was just a pun around the studio, this being a nickname for a black man.
** Not everybody likes Timothy, some seeing him as taking advantage of Dumbo since he repeatedly pushes little Dumbo to become famous even when it endangers his life - suggesting that Dumbo try to fly off a high cliff (he succeeded, but that's not the point), which puts him in terrible danger when he loses the feather, and it was even Timothy's dangerous idea going wrong that leads to Dumbo being made a clown - in the end, despite providing only emotional support, he becomes rich and famous himself.



** Consider that the crows are among the limited number of characters who are half-decent to Dumbo, and prove to easily be the most clever creatures in the movie. For obvious reasons, this is subverted in foreign translations, due to the fact the [[LostInTranslation visual pun is lost for non-English speaking audiences]].

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** Consider that the crows are among the limited number of characters who are half-decent to Dumbo, and prove to easily be the most clever creatures in the movie. For obvious reasons, this is subverted in foreign translations, due to the fact the [[LostInTranslation visual pun is lost for non-English speaking audiences]]. We like them and more importantly are ''encouraged'' to like them.
14th Apr '18 8:47:52 PM costanton11
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** One of the crows declaring, [[{{Film/Up}} "I've seen a house fly!"]]

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** One of the crows declaring, [[{{Film/Up}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Up}} "I've seen a house fly!"]]
12th Mar '18 3:08:53 PM Spacecoyote
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** Let's see... he's openly mocked and given a rather insulting nickname from mean lady elephants, gets the same treatment from some bratty kids, his mother gets sent '''to jail''' for justifiably attacking said kids (not to mention how much worse the attack from a fully grown elephant could (and should!) have been), he gets relegated to clown duty after getting stage fright on his first big act (which the other elephants denounce him for), and becomes accidentally drunk. He only has one friend to help him get through this, and said friend can't make everything better. When does all this happen? Over the expanse of probably about a week, starting from ''the day he's born.'' Dumbo just may be Disney's woobiest woobie '''ever''', and you know that's saying something.

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** Let's see... he's openly mocked and given a rather horrifically insulting nickname from mean lady elephants, elephants about four minutes after being born, gets the same treatment from some bratty kids, his mother gets sent '''to jail''' for justifiably attacking said kids (not to mention how much worse the attack from a fully grown elephant could (and should!) have been), he gets relegated to clown duty after getting stage fright on his first big act (which the other elephants denounce him for), and becomes accidentally drunk. He only has one friend to help him get through this, and said friend can't make everything better. When does all this happen? Over the expanse of probably about a week, starting from ''the day he's born.'' Dumbo just may be Disney's woobiest woobie '''ever''', and you know that's saying something.
9th Feb '18 5:03:15 PM Snowsky
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** At one point, one of the circus gorillas roars like {{Disney/Tarzan}}.
2nd Feb '18 2:07:33 AM Arivne
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* EnsembleDarkhorse:

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse



* EarWorm:

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* EarWorm:EarWorm



* EthnicScrappy: The crows, whom the protagonist meets after his infamous BigLippedAlligatorMoment nightmare. Though [[SpaceJews stereotypically "black"]] and led by a crow named Jim, they're glad to take a fellow outcast under their wing and help him to get back at his oppressors.
** With the exception of Cliff Edwards, the voice actors were also black singers, the Hall Johnson Choir. All of them did a fantastic job on their song.
** When asked about it, Floyd Norman, one of Disney's first Black animators, defended the characters as saying that they were never conceived as flat racist stereotypes so much as a spoof on popular Black entertainers from the era, and that he personally never saw them as offensive.
* FairForItsDay: Consider that the crows are among the limited number of characters who are half-decent to Dumbo, and prove to easily be the most clever creatures in the movie. For obvious reasons, this is subverted in foreign translations, due to the fact the [[LostInTranslation visual pun is lost for non-English speaking audiences]].

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* EthnicScrappy: The crows, whom the protagonist meets after his infamous BigLippedAlligatorMoment nightmare. Though [[SpaceJews stereotypically "black"]] and led by a crow named Jim, they're glad to take a fellow outcast under their wing and help him to get back at his oppressors.
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oppressors. With the exception of Cliff Edwards, the voice actors were also black singers, the Hall Johnson Choir. All of them did a fantastic job on their song.
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song. When asked about it, Floyd Norman, one of Disney's first Black animators, defended the characters as saying that they were never conceived as flat racist stereotypes so much as a spoof on popular Black entertainers from the era, and that he personally never saw them as offensive.
* FairForItsDay: FairForItsDay
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Consider that the crows are among the limited number of characters who are half-decent to Dumbo, and prove to easily be the most clever creatures in the movie. For obvious reasons, this is subverted in foreign translations, due to the fact the [[LostInTranslation visual pun is lost for non-English speaking audiences]].



* TheWoobie: Let's see... he's openly mocked and given a rather insulting nickname from mean lady elephants, gets the same treatment from some bratty kids, his mother gets sent '''to jail''' for justifiably attacking said kids (not to mention how much worse the attack from a fully grown elephant could (and should!) have been), he gets relegated to clown duty after getting stage fright on his first big act (which the other elephants denounce him for), and becomes accidentally drunk. He only has one friend to help him get through this, and said friend can't make everything better. When does all this happen? Over the expanse of probably about a week, starting from ''the day he's born.'' Dumbo just may be Disney's woobiest woobie '''ever''', and you know that's saying something.
** And his mother, whose sufferings we don't get to see, is kept in solitary confinement, unable to defend or even comfort her son through all these degradations, with the heavy implication that she's going to be destroyed at the end of the tour.

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* TheWoobie: TheWoobie
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Let's see... he's openly mocked and given a rather insulting nickname from mean lady elephants, gets the same treatment from some bratty kids, his mother gets sent '''to jail''' for justifiably attacking said kids (not to mention how much worse the attack from a fully grown elephant could (and should!) have been), he gets relegated to clown duty after getting stage fright on his first big act (which the other elephants denounce him for), and becomes accidentally drunk. He only has one friend to help him get through this, and said friend can't make everything better. When does all this happen? Over the expanse of probably about a week, starting from ''the day he's born.'' Dumbo just may be Disney's woobiest woobie '''ever''', and you know that's saying something.
** And his Dumbo's mother, whose sufferings we don't get to see, is kept in solitary confinement, unable to defend or even comfort her son through all these degradations, with the heavy implication that she's going to be destroyed at the end of the tour.
2nd Feb '18 2:05:48 AM Arivne
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* HilariousInHindsight: One of the crows declaring, [[{{Film/Up}} "I've seen a house fly!"]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight
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One of the crows declaring, [[{{Film/Up}} "I've seen a house fly!"]]
2nd Feb '18 2:04:29 AM Arivne
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* AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame: Dumbo can fly.



* IAmNotShazam: Zigzagged; Dumbo's ''actual'' name is Jumbo Jr., while Dumbo was meant to be a cruel nickname. However, it's clear the name stuck, since he is ''always'' referred to by Dumbo by just about everyone, in the film or in real life, with it's callous background lost on his sympathisers, Timothy and the crows.

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* IAmNotShazam: Zigzagged; Dumbo's ''actual'' name is Jumbo Jr., while Dumbo was meant to be a cruel nickname. However, it's clear the name stuck, since he is ''always'' referred to by Dumbo by just about everyone, in the film or in real life, with it's its callous background lost on his sympathisers, Timothy and the crows.



** AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame
4th Jan '18 11:36:57 AM jasonbres
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** For every RailEnthusiast and {{Trainspotter}} out there, you have "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM9B3mY3JfA Casey Jr.]]" For added awesome, there's [[https://youtu.be/LeFxzcy79Ac?t=14m37s the version]] from ''WesternAnimation/DisneySingAlongSongs'', which sings it twice with the second round accompanied by train footage from other Disney shorts.

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** For every RailEnthusiast and {{Trainspotter}} out there, you have "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM9B3mY3JfA Casey Jr.]]" For added awesome, there's [[https://youtu.be/LeFxzcy79Ac?t=14m37s the version]] from ''WesternAnimation/DisneySingAlongSongs'', which sings it twice with the second round accompanied by train footage from other Disney shorts.shorts, in particular, ''The Brave Engineer'' and ''Mr. Mouse Takes a Trip''.
26th Dec '17 4:42:34 PM Psi001
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* IAmNotShazam: Zigzagged; Dumbo's ''actual'' name is Jumbo Jr., while Dumbo was meant to be a cruel nickname. However, it's clear the name stuck, since he is ''always'' referred to by Dumbo by just about everyone, in the film or in real life.

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* IAmNotShazam: Zigzagged; Dumbo's ''actual'' name is Jumbo Jr., while Dumbo was meant to be a cruel nickname. However, it's clear the name stuck, since he is ''always'' referred to by Dumbo by just about everyone, in the film or in real life.life, with it's callous background lost on his sympathisers, Timothy and the crows.
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