History YMMV / DumbledoresArmyAndTheYearOfDarkness

10th Jul '16 9:20:35 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://nevssporking.tumblr.com/tagged/sporking/chrono been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include the sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and [[TheyJustDidntCare flagrant violations of canon]].

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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://nevssporking.tumblr.com/tagged/sporking/chrono been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include the sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and [[TheyJustDidntCare flagrant violations of canon]].canon.
18th Apr '16 3:11:51 PM Angeldeb82
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The fic ''wants'' to be a "serious" take on the ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' series. Unfortunately, the author has mistaken gratuitous gore and bloodshed for seriousness. People die ''en masse'' even when canon insists they lived, morally-ambiguous characters are transformed into pure evil, ''nobody'' gets out without severe injury (physical or mental), and if it looks like something good is about to happen, the heroes will destroy it with their own stupidity or selfishness--and yet the narrative expects us to sympathize with them, especially in the case of [[GodmodeSue Neville]] [[FixerSue Longbottom]]. Once hailed as a work of art, it's now seen as a mass of potential buried in overdone "drama".
* DeaderThanDisco: The fic was once one of the best-regarded stories in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fandom. It provided an intriguing PerspectiveFlip to one of the premiere [[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome offscreen moments of awesome]] in the series, namely the resistance to the Death Eaters by the students of Hogwarts in the final book, and the author gained praise for researching actual ChildSoldiers to better be able to describe the students' plight. The hype, however, was not to last, and criticisms mounted over time, including, but not limited to, the CharacterShilling of Neville as the leader of the resistance to the expense of Luna and Ginny (in the book, Neville himself says they shared leadership duties equally); the treatment of women, particularly the arc involving Lavender being raped and the boys, not Lavender herself, punishing the rapists; the seeming disdain for the canon main characters Harry, Ron, and Hermione, whom various characters insult for not weathering the storm with them; the fact that the story kills off several characters confirmed to survive in canon despite claiming to be canon-compliant; and the [[RonTheDeathEater treatment]] given to Snape, who is shown as an unrepentant Death Eater and the true BigBad of the story - Thanfiction even stated on his blog that he hated how Snape was redeemed in the books and chose to write him as the sociopath he "really" is. Any fandom the story had was largely finished off when it came out that "Thanfiction" was actually Andrew Blake, a notorious ConMan who had, under his previous screen name "Victoria Bitter," swindled many ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' fans out of money, and who is also known for having abused several women in real life. The story still has a following, but they are mostly looked at with disdain and wilfully blind to the story's flaws.
* [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]]: Terry Boot and Michael Corner.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The fic ''wants'' to be a "serious" take on the ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' series. Unfortunately, the author has mistaken gratuitous gore and bloodshed for seriousness. People die ''en masse'' even when canon insists they lived, morally-ambiguous characters are transformed into pure evil, ''nobody'' gets out without severe injury (physical or mental), and if it looks like something good is about to happen, the heroes will destroy it with their own stupidity or selfishness--and yet the narrative expects us to sympathize with them, especially in the case of [[GodmodeSue Neville]] [[FixerSue Longbottom]].Neville Longbottom. Once hailed as a work of art, it's now seen as a mass of potential buried in overdone "drama".
* DeaderThanDisco: The fic was once one of the best-regarded stories in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fandom. It provided an intriguing PerspectiveFlip to one of the premiere [[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome offscreen moments of awesome]] in the series, namely the resistance to the Death Eaters by the students of Hogwarts in the final book, and the author gained praise for researching actual ChildSoldiers to better be able to describe the students' plight. The hype, however, was not to last, and criticisms mounted over time, including, but not limited to, the CharacterShilling of Neville as the leader of the resistance to the expense of Luna and Ginny (in the book, Neville himself says they shared leadership duties equally); the treatment of women, particularly the arc involving Lavender being raped and the boys, not Lavender herself, punishing the rapists; the seeming disdain for the canon main characters Harry, Ron, and Hermione, whom various characters insult for not weathering the storm with them; the fact that the story kills off several characters confirmed to survive in canon despite claiming to be canon-compliant; and the [[RonTheDeathEater treatment]] given to Snape, who is shown as an unrepentant Death Eater and the true BigBad of the story - Thanfiction even stated on his blog that he hated how Snape was redeemed in the books and chose to write him as the sociopath he "really" is. Any fandom the story had was largely finished off when it came out that "Thanfiction" was actually Andrew Blake, a notorious ConMan who had, under his previous screen name "Victoria Bitter," swindled many ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' fans out of money, and who is also known for having abused several women in real life. The story still has a following, but they are mostly looked at with disdain and wilfully willfully blind to the story's flaws.
* [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]]: {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s: Terry Boot and Michael Corner.



* JerkSue: Neville Longbottom. This is the heart of the Fandom/Hatedom split.
** This story's Neville never thinks of his friends as friends, just as assets to be used in the war. This is supposedly why he's such a good leader - but it's completely the opposite of the Neville we know from the books. Granted, he TookALevelInBadAss in canon, but he never TookALevelInJerkAss to go with it. Here, however, it's another story.
** Everyone fawns over him. Even when he's acting violent and irrational. Hell, even in chapters where he's evidently meant to be in the wrong, ''others'' apologise to him. For example, at one point, he's literally killing himself through pushing himself too hard, and is lashing out at people left and right. The rest of the Dumbledore's Army leadership decides to tell him he needs to step down for a few weeks, and that they won't take no for an answer, carefully explaining that it's for his own good, and that they look up to him, admire him, and look forwards to his return in a few weeks. Cue several chapters of {{Wangst}}, constant whining and despair that he's lost Dumbledore's Army! How could they ''do'' this to him, etc, and throwing as big of a temper tantrum as he can. The other people apologise (with much suppressed eye-rolling) for having dared to look after his health. He never apologizes to them.



** Severus Snape, who in the books was a very, very effective ReverseMole who through all his [[SadistTeacher sadist teaching]] legitimately tried to protect as many students as possible from the Death Eaters, is here shown to thoroughly enjoy his position as Death Eater-appointed Headmaster of Hogwarts; he attempts to assassinate Neville, hires the former [[TheDragon Dragon]] to [[PredecessorVillain Grindelwald]] as school disciplinarian, and when a Slytherin student defects to the good guys it's strongly implied he has the boy's entire family killed. He still turns out to be a mole here, but this is simply treated as the final insult; that someone so horrible could still be remembered as a hero simply for nominally siding against someone even worse. [[http://daydverse.livejournal.com/107539.html This essay]] by the author interpreting him as an unrepentant sociopath looking for an excuse to murder and torture students. Even considering that he's a rather unpleasant SadistTeacher in the books, the logic taken to reach this conclusion is... somewhat debatable given the textual evidence. Especially since WordOfGod from Rowling indicates that Snape often shielded students from more severe punishment at the hands of the Carrows.

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** Severus Snape, who in the books was a very, very effective ReverseMole who through all his [[SadistTeacher sadist teaching]] {{sadist teach|er}}ing legitimately tried to protect as many students as possible from the Death Eaters, is here shown to thoroughly enjoy his position as Death Eater-appointed Headmaster of Hogwarts; he attempts to assassinate Neville, hires the former [[TheDragon Dragon]] to [[PredecessorVillain Grindelwald]] as school disciplinarian, and when a Slytherin student defects to the good guys it's strongly implied he has the boy's entire family killed. He still turns out to be a mole here, but this is simply treated as the final insult; that someone so horrible could still be remembered as a hero simply for nominally siding against someone even worse. [[http://daydverse.livejournal.com/107539.html This essay]] by the author interpreting him as an unrepentant sociopath looking for an excuse to murder and torture students. Even considering that he's a rather unpleasant SadistTeacher in the books, the logic taken to reach this conclusion is... somewhat debatable given the textual evidence. Especially since WordOfGod from Rowling indicates that Snape often shielded students from more severe punishment at the hands of the Carrows.
28th Feb '16 5:30:49 PM DemonDuckofDoom
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* CompleteMonster: Severus Snape. As Headmaster, he inflicts his sadistic whims on the poor students and regularly blackmails the D.A. by punishing '''eleven-year olds''' in their place. He even ordered an eleven-year old flogged and left in chains for thirty hours. What Snape did to [[spoiler:Michael]] as a punishment for freeing this kid was completely unforgivable: he had the poor guy tortured in a nightmarish way, prolonging the agony to the point where his best friend Terry tried to put him out of his misery with ''Avada Kedavra''. The author has been criticized for portraying Snape as [[RonTheDeathEater way, way too evil]].
12th Jan '16 8:26:00 AM GothicProphet
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: About two-thirds of the way through, Zacharias Smith decides to leave the DA. When he does so, he explains that the DA is sounding more and more like a martyrdom cult with each passing day, and the focus of the group has changed from "Resist the Death Eaters" to "Die heroically". The DA counterargument is... to agree with every word he says and ask, "What's the problem with that?" Bear in mind that all of the members of Dumbledore's Army are ''[[ChildSoldiers teenagers]]'', and Zacharias Smith (who was a strawman in [[Literature/HarryPotter canon]]!) suddenly becomes the OnlySaneMan.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: About two-thirds of the way through, Zacharias Smith decides to leave the DA. When he does so, he explains that the DA is sounding more and more like a martyrdom cult with each passing day, and the focus of the group has changed from "Resist the Death Eaters" to "Die heroically". The DA counterargument is... to agree with every word he says and ask, "What's the problem with that?" Bear in mind that all of the members of Dumbledore's Army are ''[[ChildSoldiers teenagers]]'', and Zacharias Smith (who was a strawman in [[Literature/HarryPotter canon]]!) suddenly becomes the OnlySaneMan.OnlySaneMan.
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3rd Aug '15 8:51:33 PM Nev
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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://nevssporking.tumblr.com/post/121244839526/dumbledores-army-and-the-year-of-darkness-chapter been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include the sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and [[TheyJustDidntCare flagrant violations of canon]].

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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://nevssporking.tumblr.com/post/121244839526/dumbledores-army-and-the-year-of-darkness-chapter com/tagged/sporking/chrono been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include the sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and [[TheyJustDidntCare flagrant violations of canon]].
3rd Aug '15 8:47:54 PM Nev
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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://tinyurl.com/2fhaebl been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include the sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and [[TheyJustDidntCare flagrant violations of canon]].

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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://tinyurl.com/2fhaebl [[http://nevssporking.tumblr.com/post/121244839526/dumbledores-army-and-the-year-of-darkness-chapter been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include the sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and [[TheyJustDidntCare flagrant violations of canon]].
20th May '15 9:30:50 PM Anddrix
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*** To be fair to Thanfiction, throughout the canon books Filch waxes nostalgic about ''thumb screws being used to punish rule-breakers'', and eagerly marches around with a ''bullwhip'' with intent of use whenever a more child-unfriendly administrator comes into authority to give him a pass for it. While as excessive as everything else, Filch being blood-thirsty child-abuser isn't OOC, it's him doing what he always threatened he would if he thought he could get away with it.
20th May '15 9:23:07 PM Handle
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*** To be fair to Thanfiction, throughout the canon books Filch waxes nostalgic about ''thumb screws being used to punish rule-breakers'', and eagerly marches around with a ''bullwhip'' with intent of use whenever a more child-unfriendly administrator comes into authority to give him a pass for it. While as excessive as everything else, Filch being blood-thirsty child-abuser isn't OOC, it's him doing what he always threatened he would if he thought he could get away with it.
4th Apr '15 5:51:53 PM Opheliac
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* DeaderThanDisco: The fic was once one of the best-regarded stories in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fandom. It provided an intriguing PerspectiveFlip to one of the premiere [[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome offscreen moments of awesome]] in the series, namely the resistance to the Death Eaters by the students of Hogwarts in the final book, and the author gained praise for researching actual ChildSoldiers to better be able to describe the students' plight. The hype, however, was not to last, and criticisms mounted over time, including, but not limited to, the CharacterShilling of Neville as the leader of the resistance to the expense of Luna and Ginny (in the book, Neville himself says they shared leadership duties equally); the treatment of women, particularly the arc involving Lavender being raped and the boys, not Lavender herself, punishing the rapists; the seeming disdain for the canon main characters Harry, Ron, and Hermione, whom various characters insult for not weathering the storm with them; the fact that the story kills off several characters confirmed to survive in canon despite claiming to be canon-compliant; and the [[RonTheDeathEater treatment]] given to Snape, who is shown as an unrepentant Death Eater and the true BigBad of the story - Thanfiction even stated on his blog that he hated how Snape was redeemed in the books and chose to write him as the sociopath he "really" is. Any fandom the story had was largely finished off when it came out that "Thanfiction" was actually Andrew Blake, a notorious ConMan who had, under his previous screen name "Victoria Bitter," swindled many ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' fans out of money, and who is also known for [[BastardBoyfriend seducing and abandoning women in real life]]. The story still has a following, but they are mostly looked at with disdain and wilfully blind to the story's flaws.

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* DeaderThanDisco: The fic was once one of the best-regarded stories in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fandom. It provided an intriguing PerspectiveFlip to one of the premiere [[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome offscreen moments of awesome]] in the series, namely the resistance to the Death Eaters by the students of Hogwarts in the final book, and the author gained praise for researching actual ChildSoldiers to better be able to describe the students' plight. The hype, however, was not to last, and criticisms mounted over time, including, but not limited to, the CharacterShilling of Neville as the leader of the resistance to the expense of Luna and Ginny (in the book, Neville himself says they shared leadership duties equally); the treatment of women, particularly the arc involving Lavender being raped and the boys, not Lavender herself, punishing the rapists; the seeming disdain for the canon main characters Harry, Ron, and Hermione, whom various characters insult for not weathering the storm with them; the fact that the story kills off several characters confirmed to survive in canon despite claiming to be canon-compliant; and the [[RonTheDeathEater treatment]] given to Snape, who is shown as an unrepentant Death Eater and the true BigBad of the story - Thanfiction even stated on his blog that he hated how Snape was redeemed in the books and chose to write him as the sociopath he "really" is. Any fandom the story had was largely finished off when it came out that "Thanfiction" was actually Andrew Blake, a notorious ConMan who had, under his previous screen name "Victoria Bitter," swindled many ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' fans out of money, and who is also known for [[BastardBoyfriend seducing and abandoning having abused several women in real life]].life. The story still has a following, but they are mostly looked at with disdain and wilfully blind to the story's flaws.
22nd Jan '15 11:56:01 AM MagBas
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** Even the crotchety janitor Mr. Filch is shown to have joined [[CreepyTwins the Carrows]] as a school TortureTechnician[[note]] To be fair, Filch is one of the few who doesn't suffer from CharacterDerailment that much, as in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'' he IS shown to enjoy the thought of hurting children and actively attempts to do so at every opportunity. Torture isn't that much of a stretch for someone like him[[/note]].

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** Even the crotchety janitor Mr. Filch is shown to have joined [[CreepyTwins the Carrows]] as a school TortureTechnician[[note]] To be fair, Filch is one of the few who doesn't suffer from CharacterDerailment that much, as in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'' he IS shown to enjoy the thought of hurting children and actively attempts to do so at every opportunity. Torture isn't that much of a stretch for someone like him[[/note]]. TortureTechnician.
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