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** Regina, early on. Some of the fans thought she was completely unlikable and that Makoto was right to reject her, others that she was cute and just needed help and that Mana was right to befriend her. This tapered off late in the series as ''both'' sides embraced Regina as someone the plot screwed over.
** The Regina plot and the reveal of Cure Ace is either an ambitious subversion of the standard DarkMagicalGirl plot or a poorly written PlotTwist. [[TakeAThirdOption Or]] [[GoldenMeanFallacy both.]]

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** Regina, early on. Some of the fans thought she was completely unlikable and that Makoto was right to reject her, others that she was cute and just needed help and that Mana was right to befriend her. This tapered off late in the series as ''both'' sides [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap embraced Regina Regina]] as someone the plot screwed over.
** *** The Regina plot and the reveal of Cure Ace is either an ambitious subversion of the standard DarkMagicalGirl plot or a poorly written PlotTwist. [[TakeAThirdOption Or]] [[GoldenMeanFallacy both.]]
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* ContestedSequel: ''Doki Doki!'' is the most polarizing season in the franchise thus far. Detractors are unhappy with this season due to perceived pacing problems as well as too much focus being given to Mana and Regina at the expense of the other characters, especially Rikka and Alice (albeit not quite to the extent the [[Anime/SuitePrettyCure previous]] [[Anime/SmilePrettyCure two seasons]]), while fans love the season for being DarkerAndEdgier and much more plot-heavy. [[BaseBreakIngCharacter And then there's the reveal of Cure Ace...]]

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* ContestedSequel: ''Doki Doki!'' is one of the most polarizing season seasons in the franchise thus far. Detractors are unhappy with this season due to perceived pacing problems as well as too much focus being given to Mana and Regina at the expense of the other characters, especially Rikka and Alice (albeit not quite to the extent the [[Anime/SuitePrettyCure previous]] [[Anime/SmilePrettyCure two seasons]]), while fans love the season for being DarkerAndEdgier and much more plot-heavy. [[BaseBreakIngCharacter And then there's the reveal of Cure Ace...]]
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** People in the fandom either think Mana/Cure Heart is a too-perfect protagonist who always gets away from actually learning anything because of her PlotArmor or think she's a great, strong protagonist whose flaws are still there even if she manages to push through them every time. There's a reason she gets the Wrestling/JohnCena treatment. There's another camp that agrees she gets too much screentime or she's a Mary Sue but still like her (or don't think she deserves the hate she gets).

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** People in the fandom either think Mana/Cure Heart is a too-perfect an overpowered protagonist who always gets away from actually learning anything because of her PlotArmor or think she's a great, strong strong, charismatic protagonist whose flaws are still there even if she manages to push through them every time. There's a reason she gets the Wrestling/JohnCena treatment. There's another camp that agrees she gets too much screentime or she's a Mary Sue but still like her (or don't think she deserves the hate she gets).
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: It has its own page [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter/PrettyCure here]].
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** While everyone aside from Mana, Regina and Cure Ace can be seen as this, Alice in particular gets the short end of the stick, as it can seem like her only purpose on the show is to use Rosetta Reflection.
** Lust and Goma, two deceased members of Jikochuu crew. Absolutely nothing tells what were they like, or even what did they look like.
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** The announcement of another Creator/SabanBrands' ''Glitter Force'' dub series once more divided the fans before it came out. People who liked the ''Glitter Force'' version of ''Anime/SmilePrecure'' were a lot more positive at having more of the show but people who already disliked it had no reason to believe it was going to improve on any of their existing complaints. Then it was revealed that a season that was extremely reliant on a complex plot with very little filler would have ''19 episodes and the movie'' cut out. When the release this base became a lot less broken. Fans of the previous ''Glitter Force'' did find the first half to be reasonably strong as most of the critical parts of the story were recut into new episodes, it was still easy enough to follow, and the voice cast was once again very strong. However even die-hard fans found the second half of the series where entire story arcs disappeared to be almost incomprehensible. ''Doki Doki'' is already a very heavily criticized season for over-focusing on its protagonist, having new characters pop up out of nowhere, and for the storyline being excessively convoluted... but ''Glitter Force'''s second half only made these problems worse since what little development there was for characters that ''aren't'' Mana was excised and the loss of origin stories and critical story arcs made the last half of the series feel like one AssPull after another. Then it came out that the season was just Saban fulfilling a contractual obligation and after how badly the first season of ''Glitter Force'' had gone, the production budget was slashed and only the absolute minimum number of episodes that Netflix would carry were dubbed. They allowed the license to expire ''before the show even aired'', dooming it to failure even harder than the previous season.

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** The announcement of another Creator/SabanBrands' ''Glitter Force'' dub series once more divided the fans before it came out. People who liked the ''Glitter Force'' version of ''Anime/SmilePrecure'' were a lot more positive at having more of the show but people who already disliked it had no reason to believe it was going to improve on any of their existing complaints. Then it was revealed that a season that was extremely reliant on a complex plot with very little filler would have ''19 episodes and the movie'' cut out. When the release dub finally released, this base became a lot less broken. Fans of the previous ''Glitter Force'' did find the first half to be reasonably strong as most of the critical parts of the story were recut into new episodes, it was still easy enough to follow, and the voice cast was once again very strong. However even die-hard fans found the second half of the series where entire story arcs disappeared to be almost incomprehensible. ''Doki Doki'' is already a very heavily criticized season for over-focusing on its protagonist, having new characters pop up out of nowhere, and for the storyline being excessively convoluted... but ''Glitter Force'''s second half only made these problems worse since what little development there was for characters that ''aren't'' Mana was excised and the loss of origin stories and critical story arcs made the last half of the series feel like one AssPull after another. The loss of the movie in this adaptation made the character cameos just feel like even more unexplained new characters entering an already bloated cast. Then it came out that the season was just Saban fulfilling a contractual obligation and after how badly the first season of ''Glitter Force'' had gone, the production budget was slashed and only the absolute minimum number of episodes that Netflix would carry were dubbed. They allowed the license to expire ''before the show even aired'', dooming it to failure even harder than the previous season.

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* FanNickname: Alice is (Cure) Franchise/{{Batman}}, her well-fortified manor is Precure Cave, and her bright pink limousine is [[{{Thememobile}} Precure Mobile]]. After episode 25, though, the title of Cure Batman seems to have shifted to [[spoiler:her butler Sebastian]].

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Alice is (Cure) Franchise/{{Batman}}, her well-fortified manor is Precure Cave, and her bright pink limousine is [[{{Thememobile}} Precure Mobile]]. After episode 25, though, the title of Cure Batman seems to have shifted to [[spoiler:her butler Sebastian]].



* FoeYayShipping: Mana/Regina has become a popular choice, hammered home in episode 22, where they're shown sharing a bed in a rather romantic-looking manner.

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Mana/Regina has become a popular choice, hammered home in episode 22, where they're shown sharing a bed in a rather romantic-looking manner.



* FranchiseKiller: While the main [[Anime/PrettyCure franchise]] is still going strong today, the underperformance of Glitter Force [=DokiDoki=] put the final nail in Saban’s attempts to localize the franchise.



* HarsherInHindsight: The fact that this show was [[MythArc/DokiDokiPrecure written in a way that should have prevented any potential dub cuts]] qualifies as this due to the fact that the Saban dub wiped out not just episodes and the movie, [[spoiler: but also historic moments like Makoto signing as a failed cure for Regina's brainwashing, non-Charle fairies getting the HumanityEnsues treatment, and Reina getting character development, but also ''an entire arc involving Blood Rings and a crying baby that powers up monsters''!]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: The fact that this show was [[MythArc/DokiDokiPrecure written in a way that should have prevented any potential dub cuts]] qualifies as this due to the fact that because the Saban dub wiped out not just episodes and the movie, [[spoiler: but also historic moments like Makoto signing as a failed cure for Regina's brainwashing, non-Charle fairies getting the HumanityEnsues treatment, and Reina getting character development, but also ''an entire arc involving Blood Rings and a crying baby that powers up monsters''!]]



** Creator/EiichiroOda considered a previous installment in the franchise, ''Anime/FreshPrettyCure'', as his rival to ''Franchise/OnePiece''. Creator/MayumiTanaka plays both Luffy and Ira. As for the reason for the rivally? His daughters love this show more than Oda's own manga.

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** Creator/EiichiroOda considered a previous installment in the franchise, ''Anime/FreshPrettyCure'', as his rival to ''Franchise/OnePiece''. Creator/MayumiTanaka plays both Luffy and Ira. As for the reason for the rivally? rivalry? His daughters love this show more than Oda's own manga.



* IKnewIt:
** [[spoiler:King Jikochuu is Marie-Ange's father.]]
** [[spoiler:Ai-chan is Marie-Ange. Well, [[LiteralSplitPersonalities sort of]]. But they're still the same person.]]



* NightmareFuel: The destruction of the Trump Kingdom and the fate of its citizens. The younger kids probably won't understand what it's like to lose your home and your folks, but it makes the older kids (and the older audience) cringe.
** Bell's transformation into Proto-Jikochuu starts with a black mass enveloping his body and making him cry out in pain. He had it coming, but jeez...

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The destruction of the Trump Kingdom and the fate of its citizens. The younger kids probably won't understand what it's like to lose your home and your folks, but it makes the older kids (and the older audience) cringe.
** Bell's Bel's transformation into Proto-Jikochuu starts with a black mass enveloping his body and making him cry out in pain. He had it coming, but jeez...



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: While everyone aside from Mana, Regina and Cure Ace can be seen as this, Alice in particular gets the short end of the stick, as it can seem like her only purpose on the show is to use Rosetta Reflection.

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While everyone aside from Mana, Regina and Cure Ace can be seen as this, Alice in particular gets the short end of the stick, as it can seem like her only purpose on the show is to use Rosetta Reflection.
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** The Latin dub for the ''Glitter Force'' adaptation clearly took to heart the complains from its predecessor's dub by making everyone speak with a neutral accent and keeping the English terms as they were.
** Many people love the Glitter Force's redintion of ending song "Love Link".

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** The Latin dub for the ''Glitter Force'' adaptation clearly took to heart the complains complaints from its predecessor's dub by making everyone speak with a neutral accent and keeping the English terms as they were.
** Many people love the Glitter Force's redintion rendition of ending song "Love Link".
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** The Latin dub for the ''Glitter Force'' adaptation clearly took to heart the complains from it's predecessor's dub by making everyone speak with a neutral accent and keeping the English terms as they were.

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** The Latin dub for the ''Glitter Force'' adaptation clearly took to heart the complains from it's its predecessor's dub by making everyone speak with a neutral accent and keeping the English terms as they were.



* FoeYayShipping: Mana/Regina has become a popular choice, hammered home in episode 22, where they're shown sharing a bed in a rather romantic-looking manner..

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* FoeYayShipping: Mana/Regina has become a popular choice, hammered home in episode 22, where they're shown sharing a bed in a rather romantic-looking manner.. manner.
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** Aguri's body is set on fire when she transforms into Cure Ace. [[Manga/OnePiece Portgas D. Ace]] had fire as his devil fruit powers. Cure Ace is voiced by Creator/RieKugimiya, who voiced [[LightNovel/ShakuganNoShana Shana]] with the blazing eyes and flaming red hair - Cure Ace has these, too. Ace's weapon - no, not that [[Manga/OnePiece Ace]] - is called "Love Kiss Rouge". The first red Cure was [[Anime/YesPrettyCure5 Cure Rouge]], who had fire powers.

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** Aguri's body is set on fire when she transforms into Cure Ace. [[Manga/OnePiece Portgas D. Ace]] had fire as his devil fruit powers. Cure Ace is voiced by Creator/RieKugimiya, who voiced [[LightNovel/ShakuganNoShana [[Literature/ShakuganNoShana Shana]] with the blazing eyes and flaming red hair - Cure Ace has these, too. Ace's weapon - no, not that [[Manga/OnePiece Ace]] - is called "Love Kiss Rouge". The first red Cure was [[Anime/YesPrettyCure5 Cure Rouge]], who had fire powers.
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** In the ''Glitter Force'' dub, the Cures' new abilities that they use in the final episodes comes across as this due to the episodes where they were properly introduced being cut to save time and money.

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** In the ''Glitter Force'' dub, the Cures' new abilities that they use in the final episodes comes across as this due to accidentally became a case of DubInducedPlotHole, since the episodes where they were properly introduced being were cut to save time and money.
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* AudienceAlienatingEnding: The NonSerialMovie is still divisive as the main show itself, but it's seen as a solid film that can be enjoyed as a decent side-story... but even those who enjoyed it agreed that the third act is the biggest issue holding the movie back, since the writers opted to have one AssPull after another back to back, [[spoiler:with Marsh revealing himself to be Mana's dead dog revived as a time lord, the clarinet revealing itself to be the true BigBad, the mental gymnastics required to have Mana travel to the future and justify the film's original Japanese title (''Mana is Getting Married!!? The Dress of Hope that Connects to the Future''), Mana getting an exclusive Engage Form power-up while further cementing the base show's growing issues of WeAreTeamCannonFodder, and the last-second twist of Bebel being Mana's deceased grandmother all along]]. None of these plot elements were properly foreshadowed during the rest of the film's runtime and seems like a last-ditch attempt to end the movie while on a tight deadline.

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* AudienceAlienatingEnding: The NonSerialMovie is still divisive as the main show itself, but it's seen as a solid film that can be enjoyed as a decent side-story... but even those who enjoyed it agreed that the third act is the biggest issue holding the movie back, since the writers opted to have one AssPull after another back to back, [[spoiler:with Marsh revealing himself to be Mana's dead dog revived as a time lord, the clarinet revealing itself to be the true BigBad, the mental gymnastics InsaneTrollLogic required to have Mana travel to the future and justify the film's original Japanese title (''Mana is Getting Married!!? The Dress of Hope that Connects to the Future''), Mana getting an exclusive Engage Form power-up while further cementing the base show's growing issues of WeAreTeamCannonFodder, and the last-second twist of Bebel being Mana's deceased grandmother all along]]. None of these plot elements were properly foreshadowed during the rest of the film's runtime and seems like a last-ditch attempt to end the movie while on a tight deadline.
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* AudienceAlienatingEnding: The NonSerialMovie is still divisive as the main show itself, but it's seen as a solid film that can be enjoyed as a decent side-story... but even those who enjoyed it agreed that the third act the biggest issue holding the movie back, since the writers opted to have one AssPull after another back to back, [[spoiler:with Marsh revealing himself to be Mana's dead dog revived as a time lord, the clarinet revealing itself to be the true BigBad, the mental gymnastics required to have Mana travel to the future and justify the film's original Japanese title (''Mana is Getting Married!!? The Dress of Hope that Connects to the Future''), Mana getting an exclusive Engage Form power-up while further cementing the base show's growing issues of WeAreTeamCannonFodder, and the last-second twist of Bebel being Mana's deceased grandmother all along]]. None of these plot elements were properly foreshadowed during the rest of the film's runtime and seems like a last-ditch attempt to end the movie while on a tight deadline.

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* AudienceAlienatingEnding: The NonSerialMovie is still divisive as the main show itself, but it's seen as a solid film that can be enjoyed as a decent side-story... but even those who enjoyed it agreed that the third act is the biggest issue holding the movie back, since the writers opted to have one AssPull after another back to back, [[spoiler:with Marsh revealing himself to be Mana's dead dog revived as a time lord, the clarinet revealing itself to be the true BigBad, the mental gymnastics required to have Mana travel to the future and justify the film's original Japanese title (''Mana is Getting Married!!? The Dress of Hope that Connects to the Future''), Mana getting an exclusive Engage Form power-up while further cementing the base show's growing issues of WeAreTeamCannonFodder, and the last-second twist of Bebel being Mana's deceased grandmother all along]]. None of these plot elements were properly foreshadowed during the rest of the film's runtime and seems like a last-ditch attempt to end the movie while on a tight deadline.
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* AudienceAlienatingEnding: The NonSerialMovie is still divisive as the main show itself, but it's seen as a solid film that can be enjoyed as a decent side-story... but even those who enjoyed it agreed that the third act the biggest issue holding the movie back, since the writers opted to have one AssPull after another back to back, [[spoiler:with Marsh revealing himself to be Mana's dead dog revived as a time lord, the clarinet revealing itself to be the true BigBad, the mental gymnastics required to have Mana travel to the future and justify the film's original Japanese title (''Mana is Getting Married!!? The Dress of Hope that Connects to the Future''), Mana getting an exclusive Engage Form power-up while further cementing the base show's growing issues of WeAreTeamCannonFodder, and the last-second twist of Bebel being Mana's deceased grandmother all along]]. None of these plot elements were properly foreshadowed during the rest of the film's runtime and seems like a last-ditch attempt to end the movie while on a tight deadline.

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** In the ''Glitter Force'' dub, the Cures' new abilities comes across as this due to the episodes where they were properly introduced being cut to save time and money.

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** In the ''Glitter Force'' dub, the Cures' new abilities that they use in the final episodes comes across as this due to the episodes where they were properly introduced being cut to save time and money.


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* BetterOnDVD: Unlike other ''Pretty Cure'' seasons, which are more lax with their overall story arcs, ''[=DokiDoki=]'' demands your full attention as missing any episode can easily result in cases of ContinuityLockOut. As such, it's easier to view the series when all episodes are easily available back-to-back just to keep better track of story beats.
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*** Even funnier, in episode 20, Sharuru says that Sebastian is better than Superman.
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** Cure Ace's first appearance, mostly due to the discourse her existence caused.
** In the movie, Mana bleeding after willfully taking a brutal attack, due to it being the first and only time the ''Pretty Cure'' franchise has shown blood onscreen.

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