History YMMV / DisneyThemeParks

3rd May '18 12:57:08 AM SammyDragon92
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* InternetCounterattack: Just look a the dislike bar and comments for Disney's official announcement of the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror's ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' themed replacement on [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L9ZAdtNZc0&index=3&list=PLflf8xbnbx64bK_j1f9Bj_MlQGEztYdpO YouTube.]]

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* InternetCounterattack: Just look a at the dislike bar and comments for Disney's official announcement of the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror's ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' themed replacement on [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L9ZAdtNZc0&index=3&list=PLflf8xbnbx64bK_j1f9Bj_MlQGEztYdpO YouTube.]]
5th Apr '18 7:11:19 PM RisefromYourGrave
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** [[Franchise/LiloAndStitch Stitch]] is an odd example; despite being well-liked as a character, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff especially in Japan]], fans were unhappy with his aggressive marketing and general SixthRanger status in the American parks. It culminated with ''Ride/StitchsGreatEscape'', which was ''very'' poorly received, especially compared to the attraction it replaced, ''Ride/AlienEncounter''. As a result, the presence of ''Disney/LiloAndStitch'' in the American parks is minimal (especially after ''SGE!'''s steady reduction in operation), whereas it still has a large focus in the international parks, including a different attraction, ''Stitch Encounter''.

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** [[Franchise/LiloAndStitch Stitch]] is an odd example; despite being well-liked as a character, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff especially in Japan]], fans were unhappy with his aggressive marketing and general SixthRanger status in the American parks. It culminated with ''Ride/StitchsGreatEscape'', which was ''very'' poorly received, especially compared to the attraction it replaced, ''Ride/AlienEncounter''.''Ride/ExtraTERRORestrialAlienEncounter''. As a result, the presence of ''Disney/LiloAndStitch'' in the American parks is minimal (especially after ''SGE!'''s steady reduction in operation), whereas it still has a large focus in the international parks, including a different attraction, ''Stitch Encounter''.



** A similar reaction was given to ''Ride/StitchsGreatEscape'' upon its apparent (later stated to be false) closure, given that it was a long-running ride and it had built up a surprising fanbase of parkgoers who enjoyed it for what it was, either detached from or unaware of ''Ride/AlienEncounter''.

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** A similar reaction was given to ''Ride/StitchsGreatEscape'' upon its apparent (later stated to be false) closure, given that it was a long-running ride and it had built up a surprising fanbase of parkgoers who enjoyed it for what it was, either detached from or unaware of ''Ride/AlienEncounter''.''Alien Encounter''.



** S.I.R., the robot in the preshow for the long-dead Ride/AlienEncounter, is generally well-liked among the fandom. So is the alien Skippy, who actually was popular enough to survive the transformation of Alien Encounter to Stitch's Great Escape!

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** S.I.R., the robot in the preshow for the long-dead Ride/AlienEncounter, Ride/ExtraTERRORestrialAlienEncounter, is generally well-liked among the fandom. So is the alien Skippy, who actually was popular enough to survive the transformation of Alien Encounter to Stitch's Great Escape!Escape!.



** Don't get fans started on ''Ride/StitchsGreatEscape'', which replaced the ''[=ExtraTERRORestrial=] Ride/AlienEncounter''. The ride was effectively a kid-ified version of the very frightening and teen/adult oriented ''Alien Encounter'', which had and still has a notable cult following. Unlike the ''Imagination'' ride, Disney hadn't done anything to significantly improve it despite an alarming number of complaints from diehard fans and ordinary parkgoers alike! It was eventually reduced to seasonal operation, which its detractors have been happy to hear about, but it still had already outlasted Alien Encounter by that point.[[note]]''Alien Encounter'' lasted for less than a decade (December 1994 to October 2003), while ''Stitch's Great Escape!'' ran daily for almost twelve years (opened November 2004, ran regularly until October 2016).[[/note]]

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** Don't get fans started on ''Ride/StitchsGreatEscape'', which replaced the ''[=ExtraTERRORestrial=] Ride/AlienEncounter''.''Ride/ExtraTERRORestrialAlienEncounter''. The ride was effectively a kid-ified version of the very frightening and teen/adult oriented ''Alien Encounter'', which had and still has a notable cult following. Unlike the ''Imagination'' ride, Disney hadn't done anything to significantly improve it despite an alarming number of complaints from diehard fans and ordinary parkgoers alike! It was eventually reduced to seasonal operation, which its detractors have been happy to hear about, but it still had already outlasted Alien Encounter by that point.[[note]]''Alien Encounter'' lasted for less than a decade (December 1994 to October 2003), while ''Stitch's Great Escape!'' ran daily for almost twelve years (opened November 2004, ran regularly until October 2016).[[/note]]
27th Mar '18 5:03:42 PM BNSF1995
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** As far as retired attractions go, the ones that maintain the biggest popularity among Disney fans include ''Horizons'' and the original ''Journey into Imagination'' at Epcot, ''Adventure Thru Inner Space'' and ''Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland'' at Disneyland, as well as ''The [=ExtraTERRORestrial=] Alien Encounter'' and ''20,000 Leagues Under the Sea'' at Magic Kingdom. All of these attractions often rank right at the top of "What old attraction would you bring back?"-type polls.

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** As far as retired attractions go, the ones that maintain the biggest popularity among Disney fans include ''Horizons'' and the original ''Journey into Imagination'' at Epcot, ''Adventure Thru Inner Space'' and Space'', ''Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland'' Wonderland'', and ESPECIALLY the ''[=PeopleMover=]'' at Disneyland, as well as ''The [=ExtraTERRORestrial=] Alien Encounter'' and ''20,000 Leagues Under the Sea'' at Magic Kingdom. All of these attractions often rank right at the top of "What old attraction would you bring back?"-type polls.



** The People Mover was nicknamed People Remover due to the [[TooDumbToLive actions of a few guests]].
** When Fantasmic at Disneyland was updated in 2009, the dragon that Maleficent turns into had so many technical problems at first that the fans dubbed the dragon Murphy (as in "MurphysLaw").

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** The People Mover Abominable Snowman in Disneyland's Matterhorn is referred to as "Harold", both by guests and cast members.
** The [=PeopleMover=]
was nicknamed the People Remover by Jungle Cruise skippers due to the [[TooDumbToLive actions of a few guests]].
** When Fantasmic at Disneyland was updated in 2009, the dragon that Maleficent turns into had so many technical problems at first that the fans dubbed the dragon Murphy (as in "MurphysLaw"). In the same update, Flotsam and Jetsam were added to Ursula's segment, silently slithering through the water. Since both are animatronics mounted on Seadoos, they were nicknamed "Flotsam and Jetski" (sadly, both were removed from the show a few years later, suffering the same fate as the 20-foot tall Ursula animatronic that was used in the first few years of the show).
27th Mar '18 4:36:25 PM BNSF1995
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* DorkAge: Disneyland had one in the mid-1990s through 2003 when it was run by Paul Pressler and later his successor Cynthia Hariss. Pressler focused on shopping and dining at Disneyland at the expense of attractions. He started by cutting off a lot of the upkeep budget, closing down classic yet expensive rides to maintain attractions (like the Submarines, Skyway and Motorboats), an ugly [[RealIsBrown rusty colored]] redo of Tomorrowland (although the Creator/HGWells and the Creator/JulesVerne inspired theme was good, just not the color) and the poor replacement of the Main Street Electrical Parade with Light Magic. This was also the era in which California Adventure opened...
** The reason it was so bad was because Pressler used to head the Disney Store chain and his background prior to joining Disney was retail, so he only knew how to entertain people through shopping. Unfortunately he became Parks & Resorts Chairman in 1999, and had a role in the planning of Hong Kong Disneyland (which likely influenced its small size). He finally left Disney for Gap in 2002, but his effects on Disneyland were felt till Hariss (who also had primarily a retail background) left in 2003.

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* DorkAge: Disneyland had one in the mid-1990s through 2003 when it was run by Paul Pressler and later his successor Cynthia Hariss. Pressler focused on shopping and dining at Disneyland at the expense of attractions. He started by cutting off a lot of the upkeep budget, closing down classic yet expensive rides to maintain attractions (like the Submarines, Skyway [=PeopleMover=], Skyway, Submarine Voyage, and Motorboats), Motor Boat Cruise, oftentimes with infrastructure left in plain view to rot), an ugly [[RealIsBrown rusty colored]] redo of Tomorrowland (although the Creator/HGWells and the Creator/JulesVerne inspired theme was good, just not the color) and the poor replacement of the Main Street Electrical Parade with Light Magic. This was also the era in which California Adventure opened...
opened. By the end of Pressler's regime, the park was falling apart at the seams from deferred maintenance, new rides were either off-the-shelf models (such as Gadget's Go-Coaster) or reused existing infrastructure poorly (the infamous Rocket Rods come to mind), and would often exit into a gift shop as a form of aggressive and forced marketing, and the park was essentially turned into a giant shopping mall. Worst still was the fact that this cheapness led to metal cleat being ripped off Sailing Ship Columbia because an elastic nylon rope was used instead of a breakable hemp rope; said cleat ''hit and killed a guest waiting in line''.
** The reason it was so bad was because Pressler used to head the Disney Store chain and his background prior to joining Disney was retail, so he only knew how to entertain people through shopping. Unfortunately he became Parks & Resorts Chairman in 1999, and had a role in the planning of Hong Kong Disneyland (which likely influenced its small size). He finally left Disney for Gap in 2002, but his effects on Disneyland were felt till Hariss (who also had primarily a retail background) left in 2003. Matt Ouimet, former president of Disney Cruise Lines, stepped in, and things turned around immediately. Chief among Ouimet's decisions included reestablishing upkeep, restoring The Enchanted Tiki Room, reopening the Submarine Voyage with a ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'' theme, and overseeing the 50th anniversery celebrations in 2005.
18th Mar '18 2:21:54 PM nombretomado
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** Elec{{TRON}}ica was supposed to be removed at summer's end AFTER the movie came out but due to popularity its run was extended to summer of 2012.

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** Elec{{TRON}}ica [[Franchise/{{Tron}} ElecTRONica]] was supposed to be removed at summer's end AFTER the movie came out but due to popularity its run was extended to summer of 2012.
16th Mar '18 3:41:22 PM nombretomado
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** ''Many'' decisions that have been made with the parks have been met with division among theme park fans. The division at times can get particularly vicious, with theme park forums practically being reduced to war zones over controversial changes, no matter how slight. Even on ThisVeryWiki some entries on this page had to be seriously edited due to them coming off as FlameBait.

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** ''Many'' decisions that have been made with the parks have been met with division among theme park fans. The division at times can get particularly vicious, with theme park forums practically being reduced to war zones over controversial changes, no matter how slight. Even on ThisVeryWiki Wiki/ThisVeryWiki some entries on this page had to be seriously edited due to them coming off as FlameBait.
15th Mar '18 7:01:14 AM Spinosegnosaurus77
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** Pandora: The World of Avatar, by virtue of being themed to [[{{Film/Avatar}} a movie]] that's main cultural legacy can be summed up as "everyone saw it, it made two billion dollars, 7 years later no one really cares about it". This point is especially brought up by Universal fans who see it as a poor response to Wizarding World of Harry Potter. Imagineers specifically tried to work around this by focusing more on the VisualEffectsOfAwesome and downplaying the SoOkayItsAverage story. Fittingly enough, doing so made it a much more natural fit within the Animal Kingdom theme.

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** Pandora: The World of Avatar, by virtue of being themed to [[{{Film/Avatar}} a movie]] that's main cultural legacy can be summed up as "everyone saw it, it made two billion dollars, 7 years later no one really cares about it". This point is especially brought up by Universal fans who see it as a poor response to Wizarding World of Harry Potter. Imagineers specifically tried to work around this by focusing more on the VisualEffectsOfAwesome and downplaying the SoOkayItsAverage story. Fittingly enough, doing so made it a much more natural fit within the with Animal Kingdom Kingdom’s theme.



** The character dance parties. While some enthusiasts enjoy them for bringing out rare characters, others feel it's just an excuse for Disney to say WereStillRelevantDammit.
*** That, and the music can get really off putting when outside. Take Hollywood Studios for example. One minute, you're hearing music from movies made during Hollywood's golden era, when suddenly, you start hearing Disney trap remixes, and Music/TaylorSwift songs.
*** They also played "Footloose".
** The "[[Franchise/DisneyPrincess princesses uber alles" attitude]] is a great example of an issue that splits fans. A lot of them -- especially those who are also parents of female children -- love the princesses. Adults without children and parents of ''boys'' are not so thrilled. Childless adults want more adult-aimed fun in the parks, while parents with boys are wondering why Disney is ignoring their kids, who generally aren't into princesses at all.
** What should go on the unused Disneyland Peoplemover tracks? [[FlameWar And let's keep it at that]].[[note]]Due to Safety, Legal, and Architectural issues a new ride cannot be put into place nor can the track be removed.[[/note]]

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** The character dance parties. While some enthusiasts enjoy them for bringing out rare characters, others feel it's just an excuse for Disney to say WereStillRelevantDammit.
*** That, and the
WereStillRelevantDammit. The music can get really off putting off-putting when outside. Take Hollywood Studios for example. One minute, you're hearing music from movies made during Hollywood's golden era, when suddenly, you start hearing Disney trap remixes, and Music/TaylorSwift songs.
*** They also played
songs and "Footloose".
** The "[[Franchise/DisneyPrincess princesses [[Franchise/DisneyPrincess “princesses uber alles" alles” attitude]] is a great example of an issue that splits fans. A lot of them -- especially those who are also parents of female children -- love the princesses. Adults without children and parents of ''boys'' are not so thrilled. Childless adults want more adult-aimed fun in the parks, while parents with boys are wondering why Disney is ignoring their kids, who generally aren't into princesses at all.
** What should go on the unused Disneyland Peoplemover tracks? [[FlameWar And let's keep it at that]].[[note]]Due to Safety, Legal, safety, legal and Architectural architectural issues a new ride cannot be put into place nor can the track be removed.[[/note]]



** ''Ride/PandoraTheWorldOfAvatar'' at Animal Kingdom is yet another example. Some say it doesn't belong at the park, especially since Avatar is not a Disney movie. Many of them still want to see Beastly Kingdom appear in some form. Others, however, say that it fits with the park's major theme of conservation and that it will be a welcome addition to the park.

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** ''Ride/PandoraTheWorldOfAvatar'' at Animal Kingdom is yet another example. Some say it doesn't belong at the park, especially since Avatar ''Avatar'' is not a Disney movie. Many of them still want to see Beastly Kingdom appear in some form. Others, however, say that it fits with the park's major theme of conservation and that it will be it’s a welcome addition to the park.



** Walt Disney World has broken its base in recent years. There are those who still love it near-unconditionally, but many longtime fans and/or travel writers such as Bob Sehlinger of the long-running ''Unofficial Guide'' guidebook series have been embittered by systems such as Fastpass+ and dining plans that require huge amounts of confusing pre-planning and have killed leisurely touring altogether, a noticeable downturn in customer service and general upkeep, and the '''soaring''' prices of tickets, food, lodging, souvenirs, etc. all effectively rendering a WDW vacation out of reach of middle and lower-class families in TheNewTens. As Sehlinger bitterly notes in the ''The Unofficial Guide to Walt Disney World 2017'', this is all the more painful for children of said families who are effectively cut off from the characters they love so well thanks to Disney's aggressive marketing.
*** It gets worse; [[https://www.wcpo.com/news/our-community/walt-disney-world-to-charge-resort-guests-for-overnight-parking-beginning-march-21 on March 14, 2018,]] Disney announced that they will start charging Walt Disney World resort guests fees for ''overnight parking'' beginning March 21,[[note]]although this will not apply for guests with disabilities, guests staying at Fort Wilderness, guests visiting for just one day, or other certain types of guests[[/note]] meaning that guests planning to drive during their Disney vacation will either have to pay more money out of pocket or stay at an off-resort hotel. Unfortunately, all these increasing and additional fees are a result of the record attendances the resort keeps getting.

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** Walt Disney World has broken its base in recent years. There are those who still love it near-unconditionally, but many longtime fans and/or travel writers such as Bob Sehlinger of the long-running ''Unofficial Guide'' guidebook series have been embittered by systems such as Fastpass+ and dining plans that require huge amounts of confusing pre-planning and have killed leisurely touring altogether, a noticeable downturn in customer service and general upkeep, and the '''soaring''' prices of tickets, food, lodging, souvenirs, etc. all effectively rendering a WDW vacation out of reach of middle and lower-class families in TheNewTens. As Sehlinger bitterly notes in the ''The Unofficial Guide to Walt Disney World 2017'', this is all the more painful for children of said families who are effectively cut off from the characters they love so well much thanks to Disney's aggressive marketing.
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marketing. It gets worse; [[https://www.wcpo.com/news/our-community/walt-disney-world-to-charge-resort-guests-for-overnight-parking-beginning-march-21 on March 14, 2018,]] Disney announced that they will start charging Walt Disney World resort guests fees for ''overnight parking'' beginning March 21,[[note]]although this will not apply for guests with disabilities, guests staying at Fort Wilderness, guests visiting for just one day, or other certain types of guests[[/note]] meaning that guests planning to drive during their Disney vacation will either have to pay more money out of pocket or stay at an off-resort hotel. Unfortunately, all these increasing and additional fees are a result of the record attendances the resort keeps getting.
14th Mar '18 11:47:53 AM RisefromYourGrave
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*** It gets worse; [[https://www.wcpo.com/news/our-community/walt-disney-world-to-charge-resort-guests-for-overnight-parking-beginning-march-21 on March 14, 2018,]] Disney announced that they will start charging Walt Disney World resort guests fees for ''overnight parking'' beginning March 21,[[note]]although this will not apply for guests with disabilities, guests staying at Fort Wilderness, guests visiting for just one day, or other certain types of guests[[/note]] meaning that guests planning to drive during their Disney vacation will either have to pay more money out of pocket or stay at an off-resort hotel. Unfortunately, all these increasing and additional fees are a result of the record attendances the resort keeps getting.
12th Mar '18 2:31:05 PM FigmentJedi
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** "Walt Disney attending the opening of X (1955)", photoshops usually produced when an attraction is closing or some new controversial addition is announced or opening up.
12th Mar '18 7:24:49 AM broncos187
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** The current incarnation of ''Ride/JourneyIntoImagination'' is a meta plot where Figment's antics are actually him taking revenge on Dr. Channing for replacing the original ride with ''Journey into YOUR Imagination''.
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