History YMMV / DevilSurvivor2

23rd Oct '16 6:40:37 PM nombretomado
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** Dubhe in general has become a complete joke in GameFAQs, to the point that anything that relates to the sentence "i can't beat Dubhe help?" is most likely going to be answered with the word "[[CopyProtection pirate]]".

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** Dubhe in general has become a complete joke in GameFAQs, Website/GameFAQs, to the point that anything that relates to the sentence "i can't beat Dubhe help?" is most likely going to be answered with the word "[[CopyProtection pirate]]".
14th Oct '16 1:22:23 AM WolfThunder
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Remember [[BonusBoss Ghost Q]] from the original ''Devil Survivor''? He's back and plot-irrelevant as ever!

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Remember [[BonusBoss Ghost Q]] from the original ''Devil Survivor''? He's back and just as plot-irrelevant as ever!
8th Oct '16 8:04:44 PM Eagal
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** In the Triangulum arc, if you choose Daichi to help you release Aramisaki, she'll assume that the Protagonist and Daichi are young lovers who want to taunt her with their lovey-dovey P.D.A.s. For his part, Daichi starts to act extremely jealous when Aramisaki decides the Protagonist is her soulmate...
* MemeticMutation: Alien ice cream.

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** In the Triangulum arc, if whoever you choose Daichi to help you release Aramisaki, she'll assume that they and the Protagonist and Daichi are young lovers who want to taunt her with their lovey-dovey P.D.A.s. For his part, s, even the guys. She'll ask the other party if they're in love with the Protagonist. Keita and Jungo will misinterpret it as just that they love being friends with him, and Joe says something snarky but Daichi talks about how close they've been since they were kids and starts to act extremely jealous when Aramisaki decides the Protagonist is her soulmate...
* MemeticMutation: Alien MemeticMutation:
** Dubhe's FanNickname, "Alien
ice cream.cream".
8th Oct '16 7:48:21 PM Eagal
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** In the Triangulum arc, if you choose Daichi to help you release Aramisaki, she'll assume that the Protagonist and Daichi are young lovers who want to taunt her with their lovey-dovey P.D.A.s. For his part, Daichi starts to act extremely jealous when Aramisaki decides the Protagonist is her soulmate...
8th Oct '16 2:30:18 PM Eagal
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*** Record Breaker adds the Frost Five to this group, who's only weakness(fire) is taken care of by one of its' fusion components naturally having Fire Repel.

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*** Record Breaker adds the Frost Five to this group, who's whose only weakness(fire) weakness (fire) is taken care of by one of its' its fusion components naturally having Fire Repel.
4th Oct '16 2:38:58 PM Eagal
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* GameBreaker: Now that racial skills can evolve, previous combinations in the previous game become EVEN more broken than before if you put a good combination.
** Evil Flow + Matchless = Attack twice from 6 squares away from the enemy AND heal yourself twice if needed. Or Evil Flow + Chaos Breath for functionally 11 attack range in exchange for barely getting turns. Or Winged Flight + Chaos Breath to counter the movement debuff. Or Blood Treaty + Victory Cry for free Megidolaon attacks.

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* GameBreaker: GameBreaker:
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Now that racial skills can evolve, previous combinations in the previous game become EVEN more broken than before if you put a good combination.
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combination. Evil Flow + Matchless = Attack twice from 6 squares away from the enemy AND heal yourself twice if needed. Or Evil Flow + Chaos Breath for functionally 11 attack range in exchange for barely getting turns. Or Winged Flight + Chaos Breath to counter the movement debuff. Or Blood Treaty + Victory Cry for free Megidolaon attacks.


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** Not as big of an example as some of the others, but if you manage to defeat Botis on Day 3, you can get access to Ziodyne well in advance of other spells of its level.
4th Oct '16 2:24:56 PM Eagal
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* FanNickname: Bunny for the Protagonist thanks to his bunny styled hood.
** Dessert Overlords for the Septentriones as a whole. Though Dubhe gets called Alien Ice Cream the most.
** The art style has been lovingly coined as "[[BuxomIsBetter anti-gravity tits]]".
** Anguished One gets called [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Kaworu]] because of his similar appearance [[spoiler:his love of humans, and him being the second to last alien face in the story.]]
24th Aug '16 4:26:56 PM Watashiwa
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* ThatOneBoss: In the Triangulum Arc, the BonusBoss fight against [[spoiler:the two Ticos]]. They gleefully use some nasty attacks, summon a large variety of demons that by all means should be packing base skills from the early part of the story, [[spoiler: have phases]] where they subtly gain more stat bonuses and use higher-leveled demons [[spoiler:and have the ability to use "Replenish!!" to instantly fill out empty slots when they lose both demons and engage in another skirmish]]. What truly takes the cake is their [[spoiler:final phase, where they "fuse" in a way and their stats shoot up through the roof...''and they take a page from the prequel's BonusBoss by abusing Megidoladyne rather than engaging in a skirmish every turn they get.'']] At least you can use Pierce but still!
22nd Aug '16 9:05:20 AM Larkmarn
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Please note that, as discrete works, the VideoGame and {{Anime}} adaptations are organized under separate headings below. Kindly add any new entries to their appropriate sections.

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Please note that, as discrete works, the VideoGame and {{Anime}} adaptations are organized under on separate headings below. pages. Kindly add any new entries for the anime to their appropriate sections.
[[YMMV/DevilSurvivor2TheAnimation its own page]].
22nd Aug '16 9:04:21 AM Larkmarn
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* TheWoobie: It seems one of the requirements of being a Devil Messenger is being in a lot of pain. Naturally, the job requires being the recipient of even more pain, with the Nicaea System helpfully showing you the gruesome demise of everyone you fail. Since you can't be in five places at once, you will fail without careful planning (or waste all your time socializing). Often. Oh yeah, did I mention if you don't get the very tough aliens dead, they'll kill the world? No pressure, folks!

!!The Anime/DevilSurvivor2 anime adaptation:

* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler:Poor Keita]]'s {{Jerkass}}ery makes them a pain to deal with in the game. [[spoiler:Then he's brutally electrocuted Taking the Ziodyne for Hibiki]]. [[spoiler:Also, he's nicer than he was in the game and is a straight up {{Tsundere}}.]]
* AngstWhatAngst: JP are largely unfazed by demons attacking earth, or about other people getting killed, because they saw it coming and were concerned only with their larger agenda of preventing the world as a whole from being extinguished.
** In ep. 9, after some ''severe'' losses and considerable trauma the previous episode, some of the group (namely, Hinako) are cheerful and rather flippant. Of course the events of that episode are just one more hammer blow and by the end of it everyone except Yamato and Fumi is clearly shaken.
* BaseBreakingCharacter: Yamato became one by the last few episodes. He'd seen as ether a very well done AntiHero who borderlines AntiVillain, or he's hit with a horrible cause of {{Flanderization}} that makes him more like Gendo Ikari then his in game self[[spoiler: and becomes the final boss for little reason.]]
* BrokenBase:
** Is it a well written different take on the series? Or just a lazy attempt to make an Evangelion clone?
** The ending itself is one. Ether it's justified and needed, or it's out of no where with no build up.
* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Pretty difficult to care about the cast when [[spoiler:they're killed off in droves]].
* FauxSymbolism: [[spoiler: Lucifer, champion of chaos and freedom is summoned to defeat Satan, agent of Law and Order and has been summoned by Yamato, who plans on brainwashing everyone to make his Meritocracy a reality.]]
* FridgeLogic: There is no given reason or explanation for why [[spoiler: Yamato survived Alcor's suicide attack. He was even struggling and couldn't get out of his wire during it.]]
** It might be that [[spoiler: the Dragon Stream was activated (indicated by the tower lighting up) seconds before the attack and shielded him from the explosion.]]
* GeniusBonus: But of course!
** In a FreezeFrameBonus, JP's 10 firewalls are (in order of least to most secure) [[CthulhuMythos Lloigor, Zhar, Cthugha, Hastur, Cthulhu, Tsathoggua, Ubbo-Sathla, Nyarlathothep Yog-Sothoth and Azathoth]] The system itself, Alaozar, is the city in which Lloigor and Ahar reside.
*** The layers of each Firewall also have Lovecraft names such as the King in Yellow or The Dark One.
*** The eigth layer "Nyarlathotep" is specifically designed to copy itself multiple times, referencing the Outer God having many guises.
** The opening stanzas from ''[[Literature/TheDivineComedy Dante's Inferno]]'' appear [[UnreadablyFastText very briefly in their original Italian]].
** The password for JP's system, Tzabaoth, is another name for {{God}}.
** The virus Almadel is named in reference to the Ars Almadel, which has rituals and what Angels should be invoked.
* HoYay: Daichi blushing when Hibiki says that he'll protect him.
** The first episode had it between the two when they meet each other. With it even looking like some background females were [[YaoiFangirl taking pictures of it]].
** First thing Daichi does after finding Hibiki on the third day is to literally jump on him for a ManHug and YouAreNotAlone speech.
** [[{{Tsundere}} Keita]] blushes after being thank by Hibiki.
** Yamato rushing to Hibiki's rescue after receiving his Death Clip as [[ShipperonDeck Alcor]] revealed. Risking his life in the process to the point even [[HiddenHeartofGold Makoto]] is scandalized by his sheer recklessness. Not to mention he still treats conversations with Hibiki alone as worthwhile despite his newfound habit of immediately dissing everyone else thanks to his adaptational jerkass upgrade. On the other hand Hibiki too spends more time thinking about Yamato and his motives than the fate of the world, binging most conversations back around to him [[spoiler: especially with Alcor]].
** In episode 9, Hibiki chases him into an elevator where Yamato [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything aggressively pins him against the wall]], [[UnresolvedSexualTension gets all the way into his face]] and declares that he will [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar bring him to submission, with force in necessary]]. The scene ends in a mutual [[ThePromise promise]] which involves [[spoiler: Hibiki staying by Yamato's side until the end.]]
*** The manga manages to have this scene look even ''more'' suggestive. Unlike in the anime, where he just puts his hand next to Hibiki's head, Yamato actually physically grabs Hibiki when he pins him against the wall, gets even closer to his face than he did in the anime, and wears a ''very'' suggestive smile for a longer part of the scene, as opposed to the anime version where he only smirks at the end of the conversation.
** In episode 10, despite all the insults thrown his way Yamato [[spoiler: goes out to fight Lugh but saves Hibiki in the process, keeping in mind that Hibiki could have called Byakko to catch him from his fall and ends up doing so a few minutes later after forcing Yamato to let go of his hand.]] They spend most of the battle fighting each other rather than [[spoiler: a Lugh-possessed PhysicalGod Io. Mind you, they were fighting about whether or not to kill Io. When Lugh attempts to kill Yamato during the squabble, Hibiki ends up pushing Yamato out of the way instead of letting him get killed. At the end of the episode, Yamato prevented Hibiki and Io from falling to their death. He then tells Io that he won't let Hibiki die because in his own words, [[{{Yandere}} "Hibiki is mine."]]]]
** The final episode has [[spoiler: Hibiki holding Yamato before he dies and crying for him telling him he doesn't have to shoulder everything anymore.]] Later on [[spoiler: after Hibiki resets the timeline, he sees Yamato and goes up to him. Yamato still remembers Hibiki and while he denies having no friends and ''smiles'' acknowledging him in the end before his car drives away.]]
*** Even moreso in the manga's (which uses the same story as the anime) final chapter, which is quite different from the anime's version of events. [[spoiler:Instead of Yamato just smiling at Hibiki and riding off in the car like in the anime, they have an actual face-to-face reunion. When Hibiki sees Yamato standing in front of the Diet Building and believes he doesn't remember him, he collapses to the ground crying. Yamato stares at him for a minute before finally remembering who Hibiki is, and smiles, reaching his hand out to help him off the ground. Realizing that Yamato does, in fact, remember the last seven days, Hibiki returns the smile, and the scene ends with them clasping hands.]]
** Tiny Yamato apparently taught Alcor about chess, green tea and conversations and Alcor would like to think they were friends. Even now, they're on [[LikeAnOldMarriedCouple friendlier]] terms than the game.
** Alcor apparently decided to [[InnocentCohabitation make Hibiki's room his new home]]. He also got a blush out of him in that same episode.
*** And in episode 10, he goes out of his way to cook for him (and Daichi and Io but still...)
** Fumi and Makoto are often [[ThoseTwoGirls seen together]] and end up in compromising positions.
* {{Narm}}: The anime tries to play everything ''dead serious'' where the video-game would be goofy and somewhat self-aware.
** Daichi coming out of nowhere with a truck and ramming the monster in the first episode. It didn't help that this was the voice of [[Manga/{{Bakuman}} Nizuma Eiji]] we're talking about.
** Nitta is frequently framing her sizable breasts with her arms with every action she takes, including crying and cowering in fear. An odd reflex, to say the least.
** JP is pronounced "cheep".
** The hacking scene in the third episode is a little overwrought, with dozens of highly trained professional tech specialists wailing like a bunch of children whenever things get worse.
*** Not to mention the ridiculous HollywoodHacking with ExtremeGraphicalRepresentation of Firewalls being literally broken to steal the interwebs.
** In the fourth episode, everyone looks super-serious when they try to hold each other up with their highly threatening cell phones. Why exactly they would do that with a ''summoning device that takes time to work'' is baffling. Oddly, the phones ''could'' be used as 'guns' in-game, with characters ([[CutscenePowerToTheMax in cutscenes, anyway]], though this may be how the humans actually attack in battle themselves) able to zap targets through the summoning app... somehow. Since that ability is absent in the anime, however...
** In the fifth episode, Hibiki tries to act cool and aloof by constantly keeping his hood up. His hood with giant floppy bunny ears on it. Again, ''dead serious''.
** In the eighth episode and beyond, Hinako's head is covered in huge rough bandages. This makes a ridiculous contrast with her perfect skimpy dancer outfit and how everyone treats the bandages as if they were perfectly normal and not even there. Like mild FanDisservice that's being paraded as the opposite.
** For North American audiences, the atrocious English dub.
* SoOkayItsAverage: Weak dub aside, it's an alright, if forgettable series. Considering how well-received the game is, that's a bit of a disappointment.
* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: A common complaint is that it seems the writers abandoned the optimistic, upbeat nature of the game to make a clone of Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion.
** Made more blatant by the end of episode 8, with Hibiki and Alcor watching a sunset. The same way Shinji and Kaworu met.
** In the final episode, the first half consists of naval-gazing on the subject of "what it means to live" along with Hibiki's fusing creating a Tree of Life.

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* TheWoobie: It seems one of the requirements of being a Devil Messenger is being in a lot of pain. Naturally, the job requires being the recipient of even more pain, with the Nicaea System helpfully showing you the gruesome demise of everyone you fail. Since you can't be in five places at once, you will fail without careful planning (or waste all your time socializing). Often. Oh yeah, did I mention if you don't get the very tough aliens dead, they'll kill the world? No pressure, folks!

!!The Anime/DevilSurvivor2 anime adaptation:

* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler:Poor Keita]]'s {{Jerkass}}ery makes them a pain to deal with in the game. [[spoiler:Then he's brutally electrocuted Taking the Ziodyne for Hibiki]]. [[spoiler:Also, he's nicer than he was in the game and is a straight up {{Tsundere}}.]]
* AngstWhatAngst: JP are largely unfazed by demons attacking earth, or about other people getting killed, because they saw it coming and were concerned only with their larger agenda of preventing the world as a whole from being extinguished.
** In ep. 9, after some ''severe'' losses and considerable trauma the previous episode, some of the group (namely, Hinako) are cheerful and rather flippant. Of course the events of that episode are just one more hammer blow and by the end of it everyone except Yamato and Fumi is clearly shaken.
* BaseBreakingCharacter: Yamato became one by the last few episodes. He'd seen as ether a very well done AntiHero who borderlines AntiVillain, or he's hit with a horrible cause of {{Flanderization}} that makes him more like Gendo Ikari then his in game self[[spoiler: and becomes the final boss for little reason.]]
* BrokenBase:
** Is it a well written different take on the series? Or just a lazy attempt to make an Evangelion clone?
** The ending itself is one. Ether it's justified and needed, or it's out of no where with no build up.
* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Pretty difficult to care about the cast when [[spoiler:they're killed off in droves]].
* FauxSymbolism: [[spoiler: Lucifer, champion of chaos and freedom is summoned to defeat Satan, agent of Law and Order and has been summoned by Yamato, who plans on brainwashing everyone to make his Meritocracy a reality.]]
* FridgeLogic: There is no given reason or explanation for why [[spoiler: Yamato survived Alcor's suicide attack. He was even struggling and couldn't get out of his wire during it.]]
** It might be that [[spoiler: the Dragon Stream was activated (indicated by the tower lighting up) seconds before the attack and shielded him from the explosion.]]
* GeniusBonus: But of course!
** In a FreezeFrameBonus, JP's 10 firewalls are (in order of least to most secure) [[CthulhuMythos Lloigor, Zhar, Cthugha, Hastur, Cthulhu, Tsathoggua, Ubbo-Sathla, Nyarlathothep Yog-Sothoth and Azathoth]] The system itself, Alaozar, is the city in which Lloigor and Ahar reside.
*** The layers of each Firewall also have Lovecraft names such as the King in Yellow or The Dark One.
*** The eigth layer "Nyarlathotep" is specifically designed to copy itself multiple times, referencing the Outer God having many guises.
** The opening stanzas from ''[[Literature/TheDivineComedy Dante's Inferno]]'' appear [[UnreadablyFastText very briefly in their original Italian]].
** The password for JP's system, Tzabaoth, is another name for {{God}}.
** The virus Almadel is named in reference to the Ars Almadel, which has rituals and what Angels should be invoked.
* HoYay: Daichi blushing when Hibiki says that he'll protect him.
** The first episode had it between the two when they meet each other. With it even looking like some background females were [[YaoiFangirl taking pictures of it]].
** First thing Daichi does after finding Hibiki on the third day is to literally jump on him for a ManHug and YouAreNotAlone speech.
** [[{{Tsundere}} Keita]] blushes after being thank by Hibiki.
** Yamato rushing to Hibiki's rescue after receiving his Death Clip as [[ShipperonDeck Alcor]] revealed. Risking his life in the process to the point even [[HiddenHeartofGold Makoto]] is scandalized by his sheer recklessness. Not to mention he still treats conversations with Hibiki alone as worthwhile despite his newfound habit of immediately dissing everyone else thanks to his adaptational jerkass upgrade. On the other hand Hibiki too spends more time thinking about Yamato and his motives than the fate of the world, binging most conversations back around to him [[spoiler: especially with Alcor]].
** In episode 9, Hibiki chases him into an elevator where Yamato [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything aggressively pins him against the wall]], [[UnresolvedSexualTension gets all the way into his face]] and declares that he will [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar bring him to submission, with force in necessary]]. The scene ends in a mutual [[ThePromise promise]] which involves [[spoiler: Hibiki staying by Yamato's side until the end.]]
*** The manga manages to have this scene look even ''more'' suggestive. Unlike in the anime, where he just puts his hand next to Hibiki's head, Yamato actually physically grabs Hibiki when he pins him against the wall, gets even closer to his face than he did in the anime, and wears a ''very'' suggestive smile for a longer part of the scene, as opposed to the anime version where he only smirks at the end of the conversation.
** In episode 10, despite all the insults thrown his way Yamato [[spoiler: goes out to fight Lugh but saves Hibiki in the process, keeping in mind that Hibiki could have called Byakko to catch him from his fall and ends up doing so a few minutes later after forcing Yamato to let go of his hand.]] They spend most of the battle fighting each other rather than [[spoiler: a Lugh-possessed PhysicalGod Io. Mind you, they were fighting about whether or not to kill Io. When Lugh attempts to kill Yamato during the squabble, Hibiki ends up pushing Yamato out of the way instead of letting him get killed. At the end of the episode, Yamato prevented Hibiki and Io from falling to their death. He then tells Io that he won't let Hibiki die because in his own words, [[{{Yandere}} "Hibiki is mine."]]]]
** The final episode has [[spoiler: Hibiki holding Yamato before he dies and crying for him telling him he doesn't have to shoulder everything anymore.]] Later on [[spoiler: after Hibiki resets the timeline, he sees Yamato and goes up to him. Yamato still remembers Hibiki and while he denies having no friends and ''smiles'' acknowledging him in the end before his car drives away.]]
*** Even moreso in the manga's (which uses the same story as the anime) final chapter, which is quite different from the anime's version of events. [[spoiler:Instead of Yamato just smiling at Hibiki and riding off in the car like in the anime, they have an actual face-to-face reunion. When Hibiki sees Yamato standing in front of the Diet Building and believes he doesn't remember him, he collapses to the ground crying. Yamato stares at him for a minute before finally remembering who Hibiki is, and smiles, reaching his hand out to help him off the ground. Realizing that Yamato does, in fact, remember the last seven days, Hibiki returns the smile, and the scene ends with them clasping hands.]]
** Tiny Yamato apparently taught Alcor about chess, green tea and conversations and Alcor would like to think they were friends. Even now, they're on [[LikeAnOldMarriedCouple friendlier]] terms than the game.
** Alcor apparently decided to [[InnocentCohabitation make Hibiki's room his new home]]. He also got a blush out of him in that same episode.
*** And in episode 10, he goes out of his way to cook for him (and Daichi and Io but still...)
** Fumi and Makoto are often [[ThoseTwoGirls seen together]] and end up in compromising positions.
* {{Narm}}: The anime tries to play everything ''dead serious'' where the video-game would be goofy and somewhat self-aware.
** Daichi coming out of nowhere with a truck and ramming the monster in the first episode. It didn't help that this was the voice of [[Manga/{{Bakuman}} Nizuma Eiji]] we're talking about.
** Nitta is frequently framing her sizable breasts with her arms with every action she takes, including crying and cowering in fear. An odd reflex, to say the least.
** JP is pronounced "cheep".
** The hacking scene in the third episode is a little overwrought, with dozens of highly trained professional tech specialists wailing like a bunch of children whenever things get worse.
*** Not to mention the ridiculous HollywoodHacking with ExtremeGraphicalRepresentation of Firewalls being literally broken to steal the interwebs.
** In the fourth episode, everyone looks super-serious when they try to hold each other up with their highly threatening cell phones. Why exactly they would do that with a ''summoning device that takes time to work'' is baffling. Oddly, the phones ''could'' be used as 'guns' in-game, with characters ([[CutscenePowerToTheMax in cutscenes, anyway]], though this may be how the humans actually attack in battle themselves) able to zap targets through the summoning app... somehow. Since that ability is absent in the anime, however...
** In the fifth episode, Hibiki tries to act cool and aloof by constantly keeping his hood up. His hood with giant floppy bunny ears on it. Again, ''dead serious''.
** In the eighth episode and beyond, Hinako's head is covered in huge rough bandages. This makes a ridiculous contrast with her perfect skimpy dancer outfit and how everyone treats the bandages as if they were perfectly normal and not even there. Like mild FanDisservice that's being paraded as the opposite.
** For North American audiences, the atrocious English dub.
* SoOkayItsAverage: Weak dub aside, it's an alright, if forgettable series. Considering how well-received the game is, that's a bit of a disappointment.
* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: A common complaint is that it seems the writers abandoned the optimistic, upbeat nature of the game to make a clone of Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion.
** Made more blatant by the end of episode 8, with Hibiki and Alcor watching a sunset. The same way Shinji and Kaworu met.
** In the final episode, the first half consists of naval-gazing on the subject of "what it means to live" along with Hibiki's fusing creating a Tree of Life.
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