History YMMV / Deponia

28th Jun '17 7:22:30 PM Octoya
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* FridgeLogic: You don't think much of it at the time, but upon further reflection [[spoiler: the whole subplot with Goaly actually being an infant Donna makes no sense. Why did she have a radically different hair colour as a baby? The purple hair apparently isn't dye, since her hair turns back to that colour when Rufus gives her the nucleic acid. And how did Donna's corpse wind up with Goal's hair colour? Hermes has no reason to change it and Argus didn't know that Rufus had been thrown back to the surface (and survived), so it couldn't be him setting a trap either.]]
28th Jun '17 10:37:22 AM Octoya
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** Surprisingly, Bailiff Argus and his relationship to the rest of the Organon race; to his individual {{Mooks}} he's shown as being a BadBoss or at least a very harsh leader, but his main motivation in the game is to [[spoiler:provide the Organon with a better life--or even a chance at living at all--in defiance of the Elysian council's plans to use them as a disposable Mook race.]] In return, the Organon all love him and are allegedly enraptured by his speeches. To put it in perspective, [[spoiler:Argus' motivations are more selfless than ''Rufus's'' (at least before his HeroicSacrifice at the very end.)]]
28th Jun '17 10:24:37 AM Octoya
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** Both [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7GrfNravnk Organon]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBFfgj9K_M Hymns]].

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** Both [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7GrfNravnk Organon]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBFfgj9K_M Hymns]].The Organon Hymne, both the instrumental version that plays in the main menu and the absolutely triumphant chorus version heard [[spoiler:at the end of Goodbye to Deponia.]] For being so simple lyricwise, it's one hell of a VillainSong for the Organon race.
27th Jun '17 10:30:02 PM Octoya
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* CrossesTheLineTwice / UnfortunateImplications:
** It is difficult to tell how intentional this was on Daedalic's part, especially since ''Goodbye Deponia'' has several CrossesTheLineTwice moments, but at one point Rufus sells the only black character (a young woman) in the entire game in what is basically debt slavery, as a "dancing monkey" to a man who forces her to wear a revealing outfit. According to the game's writer, this was meant as an IntendedAudienceReaction to show how little Rufus takes into account what happens to others while he's trying to achieve his own personal goals due to his narrow minded nature, and the audience is meant to be uncomfortable at the fact Rufus' plans aren't always completely heroic like those of other adventure games protagonists. Other players have also pointed out that making the aforementioned black character white probably wouldn't have made the scene any less uncomfortable.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice / UnfortunateImplications:
CrossesTheLineTwice:
** It is difficult to tell how intentional this was on Daedalic's part, especially since ''Goodbye Deponia'' has several CrossesTheLineTwice moments, but at one point Rufus sells the only black character (a a young woman) in the entire game woman in what is basically debt slavery, as a "dancing monkey" to a man who forces her to wear a revealing outfit. According to the game's writer, this was meant as an IntendedAudienceReaction to show how little Rufus takes into account what happens to others while he's trying to achieve his own personal goals due to his narrow minded nature, and the audience is meant to be uncomfortable at the fact Rufus' plans aren't always completely heroic like those of other adventure games protagonists. Other players have also pointed out that making the aforementioned black character white probably wouldn't have made the scene any less uncomfortable.



* UnfortunateImplications: Lotti, the game's only transsexual character, sparked some backlash in her appearances due to having heavily masculine traits (which are even lampshaded in-game,) speaking with an obvious falsetto, etc., with one transgender fan even writing to Poki and saying they would refuse to play any more games knowing their demographic was just going to be mocked. Poki insists in developer commentary that it wasn't the game's intention to make fun of Lotti in her appearances, but that the joke is always supposed to be on Rufus, who's mostly only liberal in that [[HeroicComedicSociopath he's an ass to everybody]].

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Lotti, the game's only transsexual character, sparked some backlash in her appearances due to having heavily masculine traits (which are even lampshaded in-game,) speaking with an obvious falsetto, etc., with one transgender fan even writing to Poki and saying they would refuse to play any more games knowing their demographic was just going to be mocked. Poki insists in developer commentary that it wasn't the game's intention to make fun of Lotti in her appearances, but that the joke is always supposed to be on Rufus, who's mostly only liberal in that [[HeroicComedicSociopath he's an ass to everybody]].everybody]].
** Several players became uncomfortable with the puzzle in the third game which had Rufus selling a woman into debt slavery to dance like a monkey, particularly when she was the series' only black character. To be fair, players are ''meant'' to see it as a bad thing and her being white probably wouldn't have made it any less uncomfortable.
27th Jun '17 10:26:29 PM Octoya
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* UnfortunateImplications: Lotti, the game's only transsexual character, sparked some backlash in her appearances due to having heavily masculine traits (which are even lampshaded in-game,) speaking with an obvious falsetto, etc., with one transgender fan even writing to Poki and saying they would refuse to play any more games knowing their demographic was just going to be mocked. Poki insists in developer commentary that it wasn't the game's intention to make fun of Lotti in her appearances, but that the joke is always supposed to be on Rufus, who's mostly only liberal in that [[HeroicComedicSociopath he's an ass to everybody]].
27th Jun '17 6:43:26 PM Octoya
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* While [[Jerkass Rufus]] has never been the most heroic person imaginable, two things he did in the final part of the third game take the cake: his treatment of the three kids and what he did to June and Goon (see above).

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* ** While [[Jerkass [[{{Jerkass}} Rufus]] has never been the most heroic person imaginable, two things he did in the final part of the third game take has him solving a puzzle by literally splitting up a loving couple and having each partner enslaved in some form or another. To say nothing of (debatably) being responsible for the cake: his treatment deaths of the three kids and what he did to June and Goon (see above).two children.



** In ''Deponia Doomsday'', Rufus's [[spoiler:arrival on Elysium, where the look of pure joy on her face shifts to horror as the RevealShot pans out to show Elysium crashing and burning around him]].

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** In ''Deponia Doomsday'', Rufus's [[spoiler:arrival on Elysium, where the look of pure joy on her his face shifts to horror as the RevealShot pans out to show Elysium crashing and burning around him]].



** '''Goal.''' The extent of her ordeals has to be seen to be believed. To recap, she's a fairly normal, sweet young woman from Elysium who [[RebelliousPrincess gets uppity]] and insists on accompanying her [[ArrangedMarriage husband-to-be whom she did not get to pick]] to Deponia, and gets entangled in a GovernmentConspiracy covering up a [[MoralEventHorizon genocide]] in the making. She is then accidentally knocked down to the surface, sustains serious injury and spends a few days [[TheLoad being carted around]] by an UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist. Once she regains consciousness, her would-be husband and Rufus mess with her memory and [[LivingMacGuffin treat her like an object]] until Rufus grows some conscience. Then, her return to Elysium is [[NiceJobBreakingItHero accidentally sabotaged by Rufus]], getting her seriously injured ''again'' and, through gross negligence on Rufus's part, causing her memory implant to [[SplitPersonality shatter her personality into three parts]], whereupon she becomes the victim of even more [[SlapstickKnowsNoGender slapstick]], up to and including being used as a living lightning rod [[DudeNotFunny after saying she's afraid of lightning]]. Finally, when things start getting better, [[HereWeGoAgain Rufus gets them captured once more]], resulting in [[spoiler:her getting strapped to a torture rack and very nearly getting killed via an overdose of sedative]]. And as if that was not enough, Rufus then [[spoiler:dies by performing a HeroicSacrifice to ensure her survival]], while she is [[spoiler:stuck with [[{{Jerkass}} Cletus]], and even though she [[IronicHell forces Cletus to keep up the masquerade from the ending of ''Goodbye Deponia'' and pretend he's Rufus]], she understands that the real Rufus [[StarCrossedLovers died just as she really fell in love with him]].]] And ''then'' ''Deponia Doomsday'' reveals that[[spoiler:, with the destruction of Deponia averted and Elysium's launch thus cancelled, Elysium soon loses power and falls back down on the planet, with apparent heavy casualties among the Elysians. Goal survives and is then forced to set off, alone and heartbroken, to find a new life on Deponia.]] And she goes through [[TraumaCongaLine all this]] without being guilty of anything save for a little bit of well-justified rebellious attitude. Talk about harsh.

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** '''Goal.''' The extent of her ordeals has to be seen to be believed. To recap, she's a fairly normal, sweet young woman from Elysium who [[RebelliousPrincess gets uppity]] and insists on accompanying her [[ArrangedMarriage husband-to-be whom she did not get to pick]] to Deponia, and gets entangled in a GovernmentConspiracy covering up a [[MoralEventHorizon genocide]] in the making. She is then accidentally knocked down to the surface, sustains serious injury and spends a few days [[TheLoad being carted around]] by an UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist. Once she regains consciousness, her would-be husband and Rufus mess with her memory and [[LivingMacGuffin treat her like an object]] until Rufus grows some conscience. Then, her return to Elysium is [[NiceJobBreakingItHero accidentally sabotaged by Rufus]], getting her seriously injured ''again'' and, through gross negligence on Rufus's part, causing her memory implant to [[SplitPersonality shatter her personality into three parts]], whereupon she becomes the victim of even more [[SlapstickKnowsNoGender slapstick]], up to and including being used as a living lightning rod [[DudeNotFunny after saying she's afraid of lightning]].lightning. Finally, when things start getting better, [[HereWeGoAgain Rufus gets them captured once more]], resulting in [[spoiler:her getting strapped to a torture rack and very nearly getting killed via an overdose of sedative]]. And as if that was not enough, Rufus then [[spoiler:dies by performing a HeroicSacrifice to ensure her survival]], while she is [[spoiler:stuck with [[{{Jerkass}} Cletus]], and even though she [[IronicHell forces Cletus to keep up the masquerade from the ending of ''Goodbye Deponia'' and pretend he's Rufus]], she understands that the real Rufus [[StarCrossedLovers died just as she really fell in love with him]].]] And ''then'' ''Deponia Doomsday'' reveals that[[spoiler:, with the destruction of Deponia averted and Elysium's launch thus cancelled, Elysium soon loses power and falls back down on the planet, with apparent heavy casualties among the Elysians. Goal survives and is then forced to set off, alone and heartbroken, to find a new life on Deponia.]] And she goes through [[TraumaCongaLine all this]] without being guilty of anything save for a little bit of well-justified rebellious attitude. Talk about harsh.
18th May '17 3:18:16 PM AlienPatch
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* While [[Jerkass Rufus]] has never been the most heroic person imaginable, two things he did in the final part of the third game take the cake: his treatment of the three kids and what he did to June and Goon (see above).
29th Mar '17 6:59:22 PM morenohijazo
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* BrokenBase: Over whether or not the conclusion of ''Goodbye Deponia'' was a satisfactory end for the trilogy (see below.) It's ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' all over again...

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Over whether or not the conclusion of ''Goodbye Deponia'' was a satisfactory end for the trilogy (see below.) It's ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' all over again...



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Both [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7GrfNravnk Organon]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBFfgj9K_M Hymns]].

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Both [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7GrfNravnk Organon]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBFfgj9K_M Hymns]].



* CrossesTheLineTwice / UnfortunateImplications: It is difficult to tell how intentional this was on Daedalic's part, especially since ''Goodbye Deponia'' has several CrossesTheLineTwice moments, but at one point Rufus sells the only black character (a young woman) in the entire game in what is basically debt slavery, as a "dancing monkey" to a man who forces her to wear a revealing outfit. According to the game's writer, this was meant as an IntendedAudienceReaction to show how little Rufus takes into account what happens to others while he's trying to achieve his own personal goals due to his narrow minded nature, and the audience is meant to be uncomfortable at the fact Rufus' plans aren't always completely heroic like those of other adventure games protagonists. Other players have also pointed out that making the aforementioned black character white probably wouldn't have made the scene any less uncomfortable.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice / UnfortunateImplications: UnfortunateImplications:
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It is difficult to tell how intentional this was on Daedalic's part, especially since ''Goodbye Deponia'' has several CrossesTheLineTwice moments, but at one point Rufus sells the only black character (a young woman) in the entire game in what is basically debt slavery, as a "dancing monkey" to a man who forces her to wear a revealing outfit. According to the game's writer, this was meant as an IntendedAudienceReaction to show how little Rufus takes into account what happens to others while he's trying to achieve his own personal goals due to his narrow minded nature, and the audience is meant to be uncomfortable at the fact Rufus' plans aren't always completely heroic like those of other adventure games protagonists. Other players have also pointed out that making the aforementioned black character white probably wouldn't have made the scene any less uncomfortable.



* JerkassWoobie: Toni. Sure, she's ill tempered, but what do you expect from someone who has had to deal with Rufus's antics for so long? She gets help from a therapist in ''Goodbye Deponia'', but Rufus ruins it by [[spoiler: causing her to snap after seeing that there are more than one Rufus running about.]] She gets better, though.

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* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie:
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Toni. Sure, she's ill tempered, but what do you expect from someone who has had to deal with Rufus's antics for so long? She gets help from a therapist in ''Goodbye Deponia'', but Rufus ruins it by [[spoiler: causing her to snap after seeing that there are more than one Rufus running about.]] She gets better, though.



* MoralEventHorizon: In the third game, [[spoiler: Seagull]] proves himself a completely irredeemable bastard by [[spoiler: lethally shooting Green Rufus. His own ''son'' (well, one of the three copies of his son.) He would've finished the job and killed Red Rufus as well, if Blue Rufus hadn't dropped out of the sky at that moment and landed on him, killing both Seagull and himself.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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In the third game, [[spoiler: Seagull]] proves himself a completely irredeemable bastard by [[spoiler: lethally shooting Green Rufus. His own ''son'' (well, one of the three copies of his son.) He would've finished the job and killed Red Rufus as well, if Blue Rufus hadn't dropped out of the sky at that moment and landed on him, killing both Seagull and himself.]]



* ThatOnePuzzle: The "knocking" puzzle in ''Chaos''. Rufus has to remember a secret code knock, but keeps getting distracted by the catchy music that plays in the marketplace, making him forget the knock. So what do you do to solve this puzzle? Craft some earplugs for Rufus? Find a way to destroy the speakers? Nope! You [[spoiler: go into the game's settings and turn the background music off.]] Note that you are never called on to do anything even remotely like this at any other point in the series, making this a frequent sticking point for players trying to do a no-guide playthrough.
* WhamShot: The first game ends with one of these, revealing that [[spoiler:Rufus wound up with the backup copy of Goal's brain implant-- which means the one that wound up in Goal is the one with her memories intact.]]

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* ThatOnePuzzle: The "knocking" puzzle in ''Chaos''. Rufus has to remember a secret code knock, but keeps getting distracted by the catchy music that plays in the marketplace, making him forget the knock. So what do you do to solve this puzzle? Craft some earplugs for Rufus? Find a way to destroy the speakers? Nope! You [[spoiler: go into the game's settings and turn the background music off.]] Note that you are never called on to do anything even remotely like this at any other point in the series, making this a frequent sticking point for players trying to do a no-guide playthrough.
playthrough. The only thing can be somewhat seen as a hint is a completely optional, one-time-only dialogue with the pharmacist, where he says "That rhythmic background music drowns out everything" -- but, even if that line is slightly more direct, it's still a long shot, and you must remember that line when the puzzle comes.
* WhamShot: WhamShot:
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The first game ends with one of these, revealing that [[spoiler:Rufus wound up with the backup copy of Goal's brain implant-- which means the one that wound up in Goal is the one with her memories intact.]]



* TheWoobie: Poor Bozo. He gets dragged into problems by Rufus, who makes fun of him all the time, calls him a pirate despite his insistence otherwise, makes free use of his ship, destroys his things, and eventually [[spoiler: destroys his ship]]. And Bozo is too nice to do anything about it. Plus his girlfriend is violent and his family are kind of jerks. One can't help but cheer for him when he finally snaps at Rufus in ''Goodbye''.

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* TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
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Poor Bozo. He gets dragged into problems by Rufus, who makes fun of him all the time, calls him a pirate despite his insistence otherwise, makes free use of his ship, destroys his things, and eventually [[spoiler: destroys his ship]]. And Bozo is too nice to do anything about it. Plus his girlfriend is violent and his family are kind of jerks. One can't help but cheer for him when he finally snaps at Rufus in ''Goodbye''.
28th Mar '17 7:41:37 AM darkknight109
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* ThatOnePuzzle: The "knocking" puzzle in ''Chaos''. Rufus has to remember a secret code knock, but keeps getting distracted by the catchy music that plays in the marketplace, making him forget the knock. So what do you do to solve this puzzle? Craft some earplugs for Rufus? Find a way to destroy the speakers? Nope! You [[spoiler: go into the game's settings and turn the background music off.]] Note that you are never called on to do anything even remotely like this at any other point in the series, making this a frequent sticking point for players trying to do a no-guide playthrough.
28th Nov '16 1:06:58 AM Ximei
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** Rufus willingly leaves four young children (including an infant Goal) alone in the pipe forest of the sewers... unknowing to him, he places them in the mouth of a giant, child-eating slime monster, wraps them in burrito wraps to keep them warm and douses them in gravy. The monster, who had decided to become vegetarian, can barely contain itself from eating them, and eventually spits them out... but when Rufus returns, two of the children are missing and ''are never seen again''. Unfazed, Rufus leaves the little girl there, alone. ''Again''.

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** Rufus willingly leaves four young children (including an infant Goal) alone in the pipe forest of the sewers... unknowing to him, he places them in the mouth of a giant, child-eating slime monster, wraps them in burrito wraps to keep them warm and douses them in gravy. The monster, who had decided to become vegetarian, can barely contain itself from eating them, and eventually spits them out... but when Rufus returns, two of the children are missing and ''are never seen again''. Unfazed, Rufus leaves the remaining (or surviving, depending how you interpret the events) little girl there, alone. ''Again''.
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