History YMMV / DeathNote

22nd Sep '17 9:35:30 PM JakeDSnake
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*** While we'er on the subject of Near, [[spoiler: him somehow replacing the Death Note with a fake is viewed as one. Especially the fact that Light didn't notice]].

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*** While we'er we're on the subject of Near, [[spoiler: him somehow replacing the Death Note with a fake is viewed as one. Especially the fact that Light didn't notice]].
13th Sep '17 11:51:07 AM VisitorAlex
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* MoralEventHorizon:
** So much YMMV regarding where Light's [=MEH=] may be, if there is indeed one, but here are some milestones:
*** Killing FBI Agent Raye Penbar (not to mention the other agents working on the Kira case) or Raye's fiancee, Naomi Misora. While the ones listed above were to just simply stop them from getting in his way, many believe that Light crosses it when he kills someone that was on his side, and ultimately loved him. [[spoiler:He betrays and murders Kiyomi Takada, even after she did what Light told her to do, murder Mello. What makes it even worse is she is forced to burn herself to death and die slowly and painfully.]]
*** He may have crossed it even earlier, [[spoiler: by manipulating Rem to her death in order to kill L. Rem had actually come to ''sympathize'' with him by this point, but Light doesn't care, and looks gleefully sadistic as he gloats to himself about the SadisticChoice he's trapped her in.]]
*** In the films, he crosses it when he murders his girlfriend, [[spoiler:Shiori]]. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even Ryuk was shocked to hear about this.]]
*** In the second film, he manages to top his anime[=/=]manga counterpart by attempting to kill his father just to cover his own tracks.
** Beyond Birthday's MoralEventHorizon is when he kills a little girl.
** The members of NPO Blue Ship (except for K, since this happened before she joined them) crossed it when they slaughtered an entire village of innocent people with a deadly virus just because they thought that by decreasing the surplus population, they could save the environment.
** Kyosuke Higuchi has two candidates. It's either when he kills [[HeelFaceDoorSlam Hatori]] for trying to back out (and he coldly informs the poor guy beforehand that he's going to get killed), or when he decided to [[spoiler:marry Misa and then kill her to get her money]]. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even Rem was shocked to hear about this.]]
** The TV drama has Ryuk himself cross it as early as ''the first episode'', wherein he intentionally drops the notebook so Light is the one to find it and goads him to use it upon seeing his hesitance.

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* MoralEventHorizon:
** So much YMMV regarding where Light's [=MEH=] may be, if there is indeed one, but here are some milestones:
*** Killing FBI Agent Raye Penbar (not to mention the other agents working on the Kira case) or Raye's fiancee, Naomi Misora. While the ones listed above were to just simply stop them from getting in his way, many believe that Light crosses it when he kills someone that was on his side, and ultimately loved him. [[spoiler:He betrays and murders Kiyomi Takada, even after she did what Light told her to do, murder Mello. What makes it even worse is she is forced to burn herself to death and die slowly and painfully.]]
*** He may have crossed it even earlier, [[spoiler: by manipulating Rem to her death in order to kill L. Rem had actually come to ''sympathize'' with him by this point, but Light doesn't care, and looks gleefully sadistic as he gloats to himself about the SadisticChoice he's trapped her in.]]
*** In the films, he crosses it when he murders his girlfriend, [[spoiler:Shiori]]. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even Ryuk was shocked to hear about this.]]
*** In the second film, he manages to top his anime[=/=]manga counterpart by attempting to kill his father just to cover his own tracks.
** Beyond Birthday's MoralEventHorizon is when he kills a little girl.
** The members of NPO Blue Ship (except for K, since this happened before she joined them) crossed it when they slaughtered an entire village of innocent people with a deadly virus just because they thought that by decreasing the surplus population, they could save the environment.
** Kyosuke Higuchi has two candidates. It's either when he kills [[HeelFaceDoorSlam Hatori]] for trying to back out (and he coldly informs the poor guy beforehand that he's going to get killed), or when he decided to [[spoiler:marry Misa and then kill her to get her money]]. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even Rem was shocked to hear about this.]]
** The TV drama has Ryuk himself cross it as early as ''the first episode'', wherein he intentionally drops the notebook so Light is the one to find it and goads him to use it upon seeing his hesitance.
MoralEventHorizon: [[MoralEventHorizon/DeathNote See here.]]
12th Sep '17 3:20:10 PM BatmanKalEl
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* FoeRomanceSubtext: Tons of it. [[http://2yarik-aka-gingi.deviantart.com/art/Meet-BBxLxLight-126924658 L seems to get this with all his enemies]] with Light above all others but also with Misa, and Beyond from ''LightNovel/AnotherNote'' at least on B's side. B is ''very'' obsessed with him. As for Light and L the two compliment each other's methods and skills all the time, and regard each other as worthy adversaries. [[TheNotLoveInterest L evokes feelings in Light that he feels for no one else. L is the most important person in Light's life]] [[spoiler: even after he is dead. And in the anime L is the only person on Light's mind ''when he's dying.'']] And of course, there's that infamous foot massage in the anime, which [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPRNPx8PbM8=related must be seen to be believed.]]

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* FoeRomanceSubtext: FoeYayShipping: Tons of it. [[http://2yarik-aka-gingi.deviantart.com/art/Meet-BBxLxLight-126924658 L seems to get this with all his enemies]] with Light above all others but also with Misa, and Beyond from ''LightNovel/AnotherNote'' at least on B's side. B is ''very'' obsessed with him. As for Light and L the two compliment each other's methods and skills all the time, and regard each other as worthy adversaries. [[TheNotLoveInterest L evokes feelings in Light that he feels for no one else. L is the most important person in Light's life]] [[spoiler: even after he is dead. And in the anime L is the only person on Light's mind ''when he's dying.'']] And of course, there's that infamous foot massage in the anime, which [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPRNPx8PbM8=related must be seen to be believed.]]
6th Sep '17 4:54:43 AM Sakubara
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** Then there's a third group that doesn't give a shit about the morality and just wants to use the Death Note to kill people for the sole reason [[DissapipriateRetribution]] that they don't like them]]. With popular targets being Justin Bieber (to MemeticMutation at this point) and anyone involved in the production of the American remake.

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** Then there's a third group that doesn't give a shit about the morality and just wants to use the Death Note to kill people for the sole reason [[DissapipriateRetribution]] [[DissapipriateRetribution that they don't like them]]. With popular targets being including Justin Bieber (to MemeticMutation at this point) and anyone involved in the production of [[Film/DeathNote2017 the American remake.remake]].
5th Sep '17 12:57:14 PM Sakubara
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** Then there's a third group that doesn't give a shit about the morality and just wants to use the Death Note to kill people for the sole reason [[DissapipriateRetribution]] that they don't like them]]. With popular targets being Justin Bieber (to MemeticMutation at this point) and anyone involved in the production of the American remake.
3rd Sep '17 2:08:42 PM BatmanKalEl
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** Granted we don't see [[spoiler: her]] die (if [[spoiler:she]] did commit suicide). We just see the facial expression as [[spoiler: Light dies]]. And [[spoiler:she]] shouldn't have been aware of it as it happened.
2nd Sep '17 1:50:12 PM AHI-3000
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** Poor Sachiko Yagami. Just a regular housewife who puts her family above anything, ends up having to bury her husband and, in the end, only has [[spoiler: a catatonic daughter who, fortunately, ''is'' slowly recovering, but has ultimately lost her son, too]]. And she likely doesn't even know the real reason why for the latter.

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** Poor Sachiko Yagami. Just a regular housewife who puts her family above anything, but ends up having to bury [[spoiler:care for a catatonic daughter, while her husband and, in the end, only has [[spoiler: a catatonic daughter who, fortunately, ''is'' slowly recovering, but has ultimately lost her son, too]]. and son both wind up dead]]. And she likely doesn't even know has no idea about the real reason why reasons for the latter.all her family's misfortune.
2nd Sep '17 12:20:16 PM VisitorAlex
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* StoicWoobie: L, surprisingly.

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* StoicWoobie: L, surprisingly.Near, Mello, Matt, Beyond Birthday, A, and every kid from Wammy's House can qualify. Sure, they're stoic, almost emotionless boys, but they are orphans with a DarkAndTroubledPast. As for L's case, well, he's an orphan who has been raised to be the world's best detective, and for some reason, doesn't consider anyone a friend, his lies to Light and Misa aside. As for L's succesors and many more (Near, Mello, Matt, Beyond Birthday and A), they were groomed from an extremely young age (likely being confronted with very graphic crime scene evidence during the process) to succeed the world's greatest detective, and actively being pushed to compete with their peers no matter the cost to their mental health. Of course, they din't deserve that.
29th Aug '17 11:58:08 AM AHI-3000
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** Near, along with Mello. [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks Some fans are not fond]] of L's succesors. In fact, Near gets even more bashing than Mello, and even [[WordOfGod the author]] said that he was more and more unlikable as the story went on.

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** Near, along with Mello. [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks Some fans are not fond]] of L's succesors. In fact, Near gets even more bashing than Mello, and even [[WordOfGod [[CreatorsPest the author]] said that he was more and more unlikable as the story went on.on. InUniverse, even Light considers Near to be this, personally disliking him and regarding him as being unworthy of succeeding [[WorthyOpponent L]].



** Near has earned a Scrappy status from many fans who viewed him as a [[ReplacementScrappy poor knock-off of L]]. ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_(Death_Note)#Conception_and_development_of_Near Even the creator bashed him.]]''

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** Near has earned a Scrappy status from many fans who viewed him as a [[ReplacementScrappy poor knock-off of L]]. ''[[http://en.''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_(Death_Note)#Conception_and_development_of_Near org/wiki/Near_(Death_Note)#Creation_and_conception Even the creator bashed him.]]''him]].''



** And of course, Misa Amane whom many found annoying, stupid, unlikable (you know among [[GreyAndGreyMorality such likable characters]]), and...basically just being a [[HetIsEw heterosexual woman]] in a series that has a following among YaoiFangirls.



** And of course, Misa Amane whom many found annoying, stupid, unlikable (you know among [[GreyAndGreyMorality such likable characters]]), and...basically just being a [[HetIsEw heterosexual woman]] in a series that has a following among YaoiFangirls.



** Amongst the fanbase, Mello is considered the more interest character between him and Near since to many, Near just comes off as a [[ReplacementScrappy L 2.0 knockoff]] while Mello is portrayed as a dangerous Mafia member. Something that makes his character completely unique compared to L and Near. However, Mello ends up becoming mostly OutOfFocus just to continue building up the Light vs. Near rivalry.

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** Amongst the fanbase, Mello is considered the more interest interesting character between him and Near since to many, Near just comes off as a [[ReplacementScrappy L 2.0 knockoff]] while Mello is portrayed as a dangerous Mafia member. Something that makes his character completely unique compared to L and Near. However, Mello ends up becoming mostly OutOfFocus just to continue building up the Light vs. Near rivalry.
26th Aug '17 11:33:33 AM VisitorAlex
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* TooCoolToLive: This applies to pretty much all the characters that meet bad ends, but especially [[spoiler: Naomi and Matt]].

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* TooCoolToLive: TooCoolToLive:
** [[spoiler:L, one of the most epic, most badass [[HeroAntagonist heroic antagonists]] in {{shonen}} who nearly took down Kira, ends up murdered by Kira himself. For many fans, he was even '''cooler''' than Light and many of them refused to see Death Note after his death.]]
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This applies to pretty much all the characters that meet bad ends, but especially [[spoiler: Naomi and Matt]].
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