History YMMV / DeadPoetsSociety

26th Mar '16 6:26:57 PM kquinn0830
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** Keating ''was'' an irresponsible teacher, encouraging the students to break the school rules when in so doing it could get them in trouble but would be unlikely to rebound on him.
** It could be argued that the value of broadening the students' perspective and encouraging them to enter adult life with a different attitude than that endorsed by the school was in the long run worth the short-term risk of being disciplined by the school. Plus Keating calls out Charlie when he goes too far and pulls a prank.
** Keating actually had very little tolerance for ideas that didn't conform to his free thinking ideology. Face it, telling his students to pull a page out of a textbook because he didn't like the author's message - censorship. Note that Keating didn't set up his own alternative theory, he just had his students destroy the page he didn't like.
** He did first have the students read the text and gave a brief, impassioned explanation for why he disapproved of it. It was more an act of rebellion than true censorship and the students could always make up their own minds about it.
*** While this is a good point, consider that the school's likely going to continue to using the books ''sans'' the introduction. It still has the hair of censorship. If Keating was being true to the values he was promoting, he would have given his passionate views on poetry, yet, but not have the "mathematical" analysis he so despised be chucked out.

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** Was Keating ''was'' an irresponsible teacher, encouraging the students to break the school rules when in so doing it could get them in trouble but would be unlikely to rebound on him.
** It could be argued that the value of broadening the students' perspective and encouraging them to enter adult life with a different attitude than that endorsed by the school was in the long run worth the short-term risk of being disciplined by the school. Plus Keating calls out Charlie when he goes too far and pulls a prank.
** Keating actually had very little tolerance
teacher for ideas that didn't conform to his free thinking ideology. Face it, telling his students to pull a page out of a textbook because he didn't like the author's message - censorship. Note that Keating didn't set up his own alternative theory, he just had his students destroy the page he didn't like.
** He did first have the students read the text and gave a brief, impassioned explanation for why he disapproved of it. It was more an act of rebellion than true censorship and the students could always make up their own minds about it.
*** While this is a good point, consider that
going against the school's likely going to continue to using the books ''sans'' the introduction. It still has the hair of censorship. If Keating was being true to the values he and rules despite the consequences, or was promoting, he would have given his passionate views on poetry, yet, but not have doing the "mathematical" analysis he so despised be chucked out. students a favor by trying to open their minds and broaden their perspectives?


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* BrokenBase: Some viewers feel Keating ''was'' an irresponsible teacher, encouraging the students to break the school rules when in so doing it could get them in trouble but would be unlikely to rebound on him and he tried to censor ideas that he didn't agree with ie ripping out the book introduction. Others feel that the value of broadening the students' perspective and encouraging them to enter adult life with a different attitude than that endorsed by the school was in the long run worth the short-term risk of being disciplined by the school. Plus Keating calls out Charlie when he goes too far and pulls a prank. Plus, he did first have the students read the text and gave a brief, impassioned explanation for why he disapproved of it. It was more an act of rebellion than true censorship and the students could always make up their own minds about it.
4th Feb '16 2:57:03 PM johnsmithxxi
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** Keating ''was'' an irresponsible teacher, encouraging the students to break the school rules when in so doing it could get them in trouble but would be unlikely to rebound on him.
** It could be argued that the value of broadening the students' perspective and encouraging them to enter adult life with a different attitude than that endorsed by the school was in the long run worth the short-term risk of being disciplined by the school. Plus Keating calls out Charlie when he goes too far and pulls a prank.
** Keating actually had very little tolerance for ideas that didn't conform to his free thinking ideology. Face it, telling his students to pull a page out of a textbook because he didn't like the author's message - censorship. Note that Keating didn't set up his own alternative theory, he just had his students destroy the page he didn't like.
** He did first have the students read the text and gave a brief, impassioned explanation for why he disapproved of it. It was more an act of rebellion than true censorship and the students could always make up their own minds about it.
*** While this is a good point, consider that the school's likely going to continue to using the books ''sans'' the introduction. It still has the hair of censorship. If Keating was being true to the values he was promoting, he would have given his passionate views on poetry, yet, but not have the "mathematical" analysis he so despised be chucked out.
** Neil was an idiot or, leastways, psychologically disturbed. Becuase he couldn't (temporarily) pursue his suddenly concieved dream to be an actor he kills himself. Really, he, or mental illness, is to be blamed rather than his father for his suicide.
* DesignatedVillain: Principal Nolan has some of this, the movie setting him up as the uber-conformist, stuffy-conservative [[StopHavingFunGuys "Stop Having Fun" Guy]] opposite Mr. Keating's free-spirited CoolTeacher. While he ''is'' a jerk from time to time, most of the time he's just doing his job as principal of the school; the rest of the time, he's espousing beliefs or values that clash with the message of "Carpe Diem", which is hardly ''his'' fault. About the worst thing he does is fire Mr. Keating following the scandal caused by [[spoiler:Neil killing himself]] -- and even then, it's an act of damage control, not motivated by spite or cruelty.
** Nolan clearly believes that the authoritarian structure of the school should be maintained, considers the ridiculous essay about drawing graphs to analyze poetry that Keating condemned to be "excellent", and disciplines Charlie for his silly prank by ''paddling'' him. His portrayal as the bad guy seems quite justified.


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* JerkassHasAPoint: Keating's antics don't go over well with the school administration and teachers. He has at least two conversations about this during the course of the film. While the audience is set up to believe their adherence to tradition and conformity are a bad thing, both conversations drive the point home. "Free thinkers at seventeen? Teach them to learn and the rest will follow." A prep school education is designed to send the young men on to college, and trying to be an artist will only end in disappointment.
4th Feb '16 12:10:26 PM PriceCheck
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* DesignatedVillain: Principal Nolan has some of this, the movie setting him up as the uber-conformist, stuffy-conservative [[StopHavingFunGuys "Stop Having Fun" Guy]] opposite Mr. Keating's free-spirited CoolTeacher. While he ''is'' a jerk from time to time, most of the time he's just doing his job as principal of the school; the rest of the time, he's espousing beliefs or values that clash with the message of "Carpe Diem", which is hardly ''his'' fault. About the worst thing he does is fire Mr. Keating following the scandal caused by [[spoiler:Neil killing himself]] -- and even then, it's an act of damage control, not motivated by spite or cruelty.
** Nolan clearly believes that the authoritarian structure of the school should be maintained, considers the ridiculous essay about drawing graphs to analyze poetry that Keating condemned to be "excellent", and disciplines Charlie for his silly prank by ''paddling'' him. His portrayal as the bad guy seems quite justified.
26th Jan '16 9:34:27 PM DoctorCooper
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** Keating ''was'' an irresponsible teacher, encouraging the students to break the school rules when in so doing it could get them in trouble but would be unlikely to rebound on him.
** It could be argued that the value of broadening the students' perspective and encouraging them to enter adult life with a different attitude than that endorsed by the school was in the long run worth the short-term risk of being disciplined by the school. Plus Keating calls out Charlie when he goes too far and pulls a prank.
** Keating actually had very little tolerance for ideas that didn't conform to his free thinking ideology. Face it, telling his students to pull a page out of a textbook because he didn't like the author's message - censorship. Note that Keating didn't set up his own alternative theory, he just had his students destroy the page he didn't like.
** He did first have the students read the text and gave a brief, impassioned explanation for why he disapproved of it. It was more an act of rebellion than true censorship and the students could always make up their own minds about it.
** Neil was an idiot or, leastways, psychologically disturbed. Becuase he couldn't (temporarily) pursue his suddenly concieved dream to be an actor he kills himself. Really, he, or mental illness, is to be blamed rather than his father for his suicide.
31st Dec '15 1:21:48 PM erracht
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31st Dec '15 1:21:30 PM erracht
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** It could be argued that the value of broadening the students' perspective and encouraging them to enter adult life with a different attitude than that endorsed by the school was in the long run worth the short-term risk of being disciplined by the school. Plus Keating calls out Charlie when he goes too far and pulls a prank.


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** He did first have the students read the text and gave a brief, impassioned explanation for why he disapproved of it. It was more an act of rebellion than true censorship and the students could always make up their own minds about it.


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** Nolan clearly believes that the authoritarian structure of the school should be maintained, considers the ridiculous essay about drawing graphs to analyze poetry that Keating condemned to be "excellent", and disciplines Charlie for his silly prank by ''paddling'' him. His portrayal as the bad guy seems quite justified.
5th Dec '15 11:29:59 AM kquinn0830
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** Keating gets fired because of it.
12th Nov '15 2:43:32 PM johnsmithxxi
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** Keating ''was'' an irresponsible teacher, encouraging the students to break the school rules when in so doing it could get them in trouble but would be unlikely to rebound on him.
** Keating actually had very little tolerance for ideas that didn't conform to his free thinking ideology. Face it, telling his students to pull a page out of a textbook because he didn't like the author's message - censorship. Note that Keating didn't set up his own alternative theory, he just had his students destroy the page he didn't like.
** Neil was an idiot or, leastways, psychologically disturbed. Becuase he couldn't (temporarily) pursue his suddenly concieved dream to be an actor he kills himself. Really, he, or mental illness, is to be blamed rather than his father for his suicide.
9th Jun '15 8:59:16 PM Salvatory
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Keating's antics don't go over well with the school administration and teachers. He has at least two conversations about this during the course of the film. While the audience is set up to believe their adherence to tradition and conformity are a bad thing, both conversations drive the point home. "Free thinkers at seventeen? Teach them to learn and the rest will follow." A prep school education is designed to send the young men on to college, and trying to be an artist will only end in disappointment.
21st May '15 10:41:49 PM Premonition45
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** The film's final scene has Keating's students giving him a touching send-off, showing their appreciation for everything he's taught them. This is now almost impossible to watch without feeling like a send-off for Williams rather than his character. However, it could be considered HeartwarmingInHindsight.

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** The film's final scene has Keating's students giving him a touching send-off, showing their appreciation for everything he's taught them. This is now almost impossible to watch without feeling like a send-off for Williams rather than his character. However, it could be considered HeartwarmingInHindsight.HeartwarmingInHindsight, since they're showing how much he meant to them.
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