History YMMV / DarkReign

24th Apr '16 9:40:41 PM KingClark
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* MemeticMutation:
** While not being there yet, [[IntrepidReporter Will Stern]]'s exaggerated facial expressions in ''"Siege: Embedded"'' are pretty much ''begging'' for it.
** There's always ''Bob, I want this X thrown into the sun''.



** Norman crossed it years ago multiple times, but a few his actions during Dark Reign are worth mentioning, especially what he wanted to do to [[spoiler: his own son]], and what he ''did'' do, albeit indirectly, to [[spoiler: Chicago]].
** Sentry (or maybe [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Void]], or even both)'s crossed it by [[spoiler: killing Ares]].
* NightmareFuel: Sentry/The Void in Siege [[spoiler: Not only his newly revealed secrets are damn scary, but also the way he kills Ares by tearing him apart, without a single word or any emotion can make you scream like hell]].
** In Dark Wolverine Bob has one scary scene, when Daken provokes Venom to fight with him. Sentry out of the blue says "stop" and ''everybody'' in the room ceases to move and looks at him scared.
** Siege 3 [[spoiler: Sentry vs Asgard, more literal than expected. Also, the final page, with the scorpion/void/storm/HELL-thing! ]]
** Daken's battle with ThePunisher would practically be grounds for a MookHorrorShow if shown through Frank's eyes (and, y'know, if Frank wasn't too psychotic to feel fear). He shrugs off every last bullet and grenade that Frank throws at him, then messily shreds him into pieces -- and he does this because he wants to, he could have killed the Punisher a lot quicker if he'd wanted to.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Daken was TheScrappy to some, but this era garners him some actual fans.
** ComicBook/IronMan was rescued for many people who didn't like him after ComicBook/CivilWar, when he deleted the entire superhero database except himself from Norman's systems.

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** Norman crossed it years ago multiple times, but a few his actions during Dark Reign are worth mentioning, especially what he wanted to do to [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his own son]], and what he ''did'' do, albeit indirectly, to [[spoiler: Chicago]].
[[spoiler:Chicago]].
** Sentry (or maybe [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Void]], or even both)'s crossed it by [[spoiler: killing [[spoiler:killing Ares]].
* NightmareFuel: Sentry/The Void in Siege [[spoiler: Not ''Siege''. [[spoiler:Not only his newly revealed secrets are damn scary, but also the way he kills Ares by tearing him apart, without a single word or any emotion can make you scream like hell]].
** In Dark Wolverine ''Dark Wolverine'', Bob has one scary scene, when Daken provokes Venom to fight with him. Sentry out of the blue says "stop" and ''everybody'' in the room ceases to move and looks at him scared.
** Siege 3 [[spoiler: Sentry ''Siege'' #3: [[spoiler:Sentry vs Asgard, more literal than expected. Also, the final page, with the scorpion/void/storm/HELL-thing! ]]
** Daken's battle with ThePunisher ComicBook/ThePunisher would practically be grounds for a MookHorrorShow if shown through Frank's eyes (and, y'know, if Frank wasn't too psychotic to feel fear). He shrugs off every last bullet and grenade that Frank throws at him, then messily shreds him into pieces -- and he does this because he wants to, he could have killed the Punisher a lot quicker if he'd wanted to.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
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Daken was TheScrappy to some, but this era garners him some actual fans.
** ComicBook/IronMan was rescued for many people who didn't like him after ComicBook/CivilWar, ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', when he deleted the entire superhero database except himself from Norman's systems.



* TheUntwist: After all the guessing about which new or forgotten character would turn out to be Norman's "secret weapon" against the Cabal, it turned out to be [[spoiler: the Sentry/Void]], which many readers had dismissed as too lazy or obvious.

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* TheUntwist: After all the guessing about which new or forgotten character would turn out to be Norman's "secret weapon" against the Cabal, it turned out to be [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Sentry/Void]], which many readers had dismissed as too lazy or obvious.



* TheWoobie: Jessica Drew. Henry Pym, a little, though he's been getting better.

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* TheWoobie: Jessica Drew. Henry Pym, a little, though he's been getting better.
6th Aug '15 10:53:13 AM hamza678
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* DesignatedVillain: Norman Osborn. He had been taking steps to cancel the SuperheroParadox and be proactive in the destruction of threats to the world. He was treated as a villain for it and jailed, and the chaos and destruction caused by super heroes continued.
** The above, of course, ignores he stages a terrorist attack on US Soil to frame Asgard as part of a FalseFlagOperation. He allies with a bunch of CompleteMonster heroes and makes teams of worse. He also makes a Dark Illuminati of what is, quite simply, the biggest alliance of American enemies in the world. He even reaches out to HYDRA.

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* DesignatedVillain: Norman Osborn. He had been taking steps to cancel the SuperheroParadox and be proactive in the destruction of threats to the world. He was treated as a villain for it and jailed, and the chaos and destruction caused by super heroes continued.
** The above, of course, ignores he stages a terrorist attack on US Soil to frame Asgard as part of a FalseFlagOperation. He allies with a bunch of CompleteMonster heroes and makes teams of worse. He also makes a Dark Illuminati of what is, quite simply, the biggest alliance of American enemies in the world. He even reaches out to HYDRA.



** Norman, the villain, becomes this over the course of the series. There are very few people who actually believe that he wants to make the world a better place, he and his team get kicked around a lot, and none of the heroes are particularly menaced by him, thinking he'll end up destroying himself, something even his fellow villains foresee.
26th Mar '15 11:59:04 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: {{Norman Osborn}}, Bullseye, Daken, Zodiac, Mr. X, Nuke.
** And Mr. Hyde:
-->'''Jefferson:''' Two fellow prisoners murdered. One raped. And that guard....
-->'''Prison administrator:''' He bit his hand off.
-->'''Jefferson:''' For sure Mr. Hyde was busy during last two months here.
-->'''Prison administrator:''' Last two months? Mr. Jefferson, it was all this morning.
20th Mar '15 6:10:14 PM CharlesPhipps
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** The above, of course, ignores he stages a terrorist attack on US Soil to frame Asgard as part of a FalseFlagOperation. He allies with a bunch of CompleteMonster heroes and makes teams of worse. He also makes a Dark Illuminati of what is, quite simply, the biggest alliance of American enemies in the world. He even reaches out to HYDRA.
2nd Feb '15 10:57:56 AM thenameisbean
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* DisappointingLastLevel: The final level is much harder than anything in the campaigns, mostly because it forces you to fight a war on two fronts.
15th Oct '14 8:31:35 AM GrigorII
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* DesignatedVillain: Norman Osborn. He had been taking steps to cancel the SuperheroParadox and be proactive in the destruction of threats to the world. He was treated as a villain for it and jailed, and the chaos and destruction caused by super heroes continued.
3rd Oct '14 5:58:10 AM GrigorII
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* NeverLiveItDown: Lampshaded
-->'''Norman Osborn:''' Are you still slapping women around?
-->'''Henry Pym:''' Are you still dropping them from bridges?
7th Sep '14 10:35:40 PM Gregzilla
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* MemeticMutation: while not being there yet, [[IntrepidReporter Will Stern]]'s exaggerated facial expressions in ''"Siege: Embedded"'' are pretty much ''begging'' for it.

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* MemeticMutation: while MemeticMutation:
** While
not being there yet, [[IntrepidReporter Will Stern]]'s exaggerated facial expressions in ''"Siege: Embedded"'' are pretty much ''begging'' for it.



* MoralEventHorizon: Norman crossed it years ago multiple times, but a few his actions during Dark Reign are worth mentioning, especially what he wanted to do to [[spoiler: his own son]], and what he ''did'' do, albeit indirectly, to [[spoiler: Chicago]].
** Sentry's crossed it by [[spoiler: killing Ares]].
*** NOT Sentry, NOT Robert Reynolds, [[SuperpoweredEvilSide VOID]].
**** Although it seems to be implied that [[spoiler: they're rapidly becoming one and the same, if they weren't always.]]
***** Especially considering the just before Siege [[spoiler: the Sentry ''let'' the Void take control]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
**
Norman crossed it years ago multiple times, but a few his actions during Dark Reign are worth mentioning, especially what he wanted to do to [[spoiler: his own son]], and what he ''did'' do, albeit indirectly, to [[spoiler: Chicago]].
** Sentry's Sentry (or maybe [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Void]], or even both)'s crossed it by [[spoiler: killing Ares]].
*** NOT Sentry, NOT Robert Reynolds, [[SuperpoweredEvilSide VOID]].
**** Although it seems to be implied that [[spoiler: they're rapidly becoming one and the same, if they weren't always.]]
***** Especially considering the just before Siege [[spoiler: the Sentry ''let'' the Void take control]].
Ares]].
22nd Apr '14 11:34:59 AM LongLiveHumour
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* IdiotPlot: Seen by many. The very idea of taking a known and convicted supervillainous psychopathic lunatic whose alternate persona was a crazed MadBomber and putting him in charge of National Security (with dictorial powers and backed up by a team of ''other'' supervillainous psychopathic lunatics, no less)...for many fans, that was just stretching it, even for a franchise like this one. Didn't help at all that ''CivilWar'' (where Osborn was first given national security powers, albeit subordinate to IronMan and others) took place only a couple of story arcs after Osborn had been exposed as such; had this story occurred only three or four years earlier, it would have made a lot more sense, as although most heroes already knew who and what Osborn was, the public did not. As it is, people cheered for a man who had, amongst other things, attempted to exterminate all life on Earth in a fit of worse-than-usual madness, deliberately caused a bus to crash into a school in order to frame (and in the event, cripple) the driver, and had, before one of his final pre-Dark Reign captures, been mentioned offhand as taking a entire church hostage and tying bombs to a young girl to draw Spiderman into a fight. VillainWithGoodPublicity UpToEleven right there.
* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Let's face it, no matter how Matt Fraction tried to draw out the drama, ''nobody'' reading the IronMan comic actually believed that the whole long-term suicide concept would end in death, even those who hadn't seen the future solicits for the book. Because of this trope, the video message in issue twenty ended up re-igniting some [[InternetBackdraft Internet Backdrafts]] over IronMan's characterization, as many readers saw Tony's noting that his life was in the others' hands as viciously manipulative, since he knew heroic nature would keep them from just letting him die, while others saw it as a ''very'' badly handled attempt at contrition.

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* IdiotPlot: Seen by many. The very idea of taking a known and convicted supervillainous psychopathic lunatic whose alternate persona was a crazed MadBomber and putting him in charge of National Security (with dictorial powers and backed up by a team of ''other'' supervillainous psychopathic lunatics, no less)...for many fans, that was just stretching it, even for a franchise like this one. Didn't help at all that ''CivilWar'' (where Osborn was first given national security powers, albeit subordinate to IronMan ComicBook/IronMan and others) took place only a couple of story arcs after Osborn had been exposed as such; had this story occurred only three or four years earlier, it would have made a lot more sense, as although most heroes already knew who and what Osborn was, the public did not. As it is, people cheered for a man who had, amongst other things, attempted to exterminate all life on Earth in a fit of worse-than-usual madness, deliberately caused a bus to crash into a school in order to frame (and in the event, cripple) the driver, and had, before one of his final pre-Dark Reign captures, been mentioned offhand as taking a entire church hostage and tying bombs to a young girl to draw Spiderman into a fight. VillainWithGoodPublicity UpToEleven right there.
* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Let's face it, no matter how Matt Fraction tried to draw out the drama, ''nobody'' reading the IronMan ComicBook/IronMan comic actually believed that the whole long-term suicide concept would end in death, even those who hadn't seen the future solicits for the book. Because of this trope, the video message in issue twenty ended up re-igniting some [[InternetBackdraft Internet Backdrafts]] over IronMan's ComicBook/IronMan's characterization, as many readers saw Tony's noting that his life was in the others' hands as viciously manipulative, since he knew heroic nature would keep them from just letting him die, while others saw it as a ''very'' badly handled attempt at contrition.
4th Feb '14 1:16:29 PM OneEyedDragon
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* IdiotPlot: Seen by many. The very idea of taking a known and convicted supervillainous psychopathic lunatic whose alternate persona was a crazed MadBomber and putting him in charge of National Security (with dictorial powers and backed up by a team of ''other'' supervillainous psychopathic lunatics, no less)...for many fans, that was just stretching it, even for a franchise like this one. Didn't help at all that ''CivilWar'' (where Osborn was first given national security powers, albeit subordinate to IronMan and others) took place only a couple of story arcs after Osborn had been exposed as such; had this story occurred only three or four years earlier, it would have made a lot more sense, as although most heroes already knew who and what Osborn was, the public did not. As it is, people cheered for a man who had, amongst other things, attempted to exterminate all life on Earth in a fit of worse-than-usual madness, deliberately caused a bus to crash into a school in order to frame (and in the event, cripple) the driver, and had, before one of his final pre-Dark Reign captures, been mentioned offhand as taking a entire church hostage and tying bombs to a young girl to draw Spiderman into a fight. VillainWithGoodPublicity UpToEleven right there.
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