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* FanonDiscontinuity: Originally Elektra was just a normal girl who ended up going down a very dark path after the tragedy of losing her father. In the ''Man Without Fear'' miniseries showing how Matt Murdock became Daredevil, she is portrayed as having always been a psychopath, hearing voices and intentionally going looking for trouble so she could murder her assailants. In an odd parallel to [[ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} Selina Kyle's]] prostitute past from ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'', this is one part of an otherwise well-regarded series that a lot of fans would prefer to ignore.

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Originally Elektra was just a normal girl who ended up going down a very dark path after the tragedy of losing her father. In the ''Man Without Fear'' miniseries showing how Matt Murdock became Daredevil, she is portrayed as having always been a psychopath, hearing voices and intentionally going looking for trouble so she could murder her assailants. In an odd parallel to [[ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} Selina Kyle's]] prostitute past from ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'', this is one part of an otherwise well-regarded series that a lot of fans would prefer to ignore.ignore.
** A lot of fans would also like to pretend that ''Daredevil: Father'' never happened, mostly due to finding the revelation that [[spoiler:the man Matt saved in the accident that blinded him was molesting his own daughter and said daughter growing up to become a killer going after those Matt helped]] to be too far, even for a series as rooted in darkness as ''Daredevil''.
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* FriendlyFandoms: Daredevil fans get along well with ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' fans in spite, or perhaps because, of Kingpin being a RoguesGalleryTransplant from Spider-Man comics.

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* FriendlyFandoms: Daredevil fans get along well with ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' fans in spite, or perhaps because, of Kingpin being a RoguesGalleryTransplant from Spider-Man comics.



** Creator/FrankMiller's run in TheEighties is still to this day a reference. It transformed Daredevil into the Noir-inspired Marvel version of Franchise/{{Batman}}; gave him a religious identity as a conflicted Roman Catholic; made the Kingpin, previously a minor Silver Age Spider-Man villain, into Daredevil's BigBad as well as one of the most influential villains in comics in TheEighties (inspiring the post-Crisis version of ComicBook/LexLuthor and post-resurrection Norman Osborn); introduced characters like Elektra, Bullseye and others; and, generally, elevated Daredevil from C-List to one of Marvel's most important characters.

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** Creator/FrankMiller's run in TheEighties is still to this day a reference. It transformed Daredevil into the Noir-inspired Marvel version of Franchise/{{Batman}}; ComicBook/{{Batman}}; gave him a religious identity as a conflicted Roman Catholic; made the Kingpin, previously a minor Silver Age Spider-Man villain, into Daredevil's BigBad as well as one of the most influential villains in comics in TheEighties (inspiring the post-Crisis version of ComicBook/LexLuthor and post-resurrection Norman Osborn); introduced characters like Elektra, Bullseye and others; and, generally, elevated Daredevil from C-List to one of Marvel's most important characters.
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* IronWoobie: Where to begin? His mother leaves when he is a baby, his father constantly pushes him to succeed so he can have a better life, he is blinded by chemicals and his father is murdered by the mob. Oh and the super senses? Matt can't turn them off and They make life nearly unbearable. In ''ComicBook/DaredevilBornAgain'', his ex-girlfriend sells his identity to the mob, he loses his legal license, he has all his money taken away and is reduced to living on the streets. Then in ''Shadowland'', he is demonically possessed and forced to do horrible things. Lets just say life sucks for Matt Murdock. And yet he never gives up and becomes a stronger person for it.

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* IronWoobie: Where to begin? His mother leaves when he is a baby, his father constantly pushes him to succeed so he can have a better life, he is blinded by chemicals and his father is murdered by the mob. Oh and the super senses? Matt can't turn them off and They make life nearly unbearable. In ''ComicBook/DaredevilBornAgain'', ''ComicBook/BornAgain'', his ex-girlfriend sells his identity to the mob, he loses his legal license, he has all his money taken away and is reduced to living on the streets. Then in ''Shadowland'', he is demonically possessed and forced to do horrible things. Lets just say life sucks for Matt Murdock. And yet he never gives up and becomes a stronger person for it.
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* MemeticLoser: Matt. Look down on "Memetic Mutation" to see why.

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* BrokenBase:
** Soule's run.
*** Some fans were overjoyed at the announcement that in the new series Matt was reinstated as a lawyer in New York, Foggy's cancer was seemingly cured, and his civilian identity was a secret once more, but thanks to it being a consequence of ''Secret Wars,'' other fans felt it reeked a bit of the ResetButton being used.
*** There is a also a division among fans who prefer the return of the DarkerAndEdgier tone to the character during Charles Soule's run and those who felt that Mark Waid's relatively LighterAndSofter tone during his acclaimed run was a breath of fresh air for the character.

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BrokenBase: Regarding Soule's run.run:
** Some fans were overjoyed at the announcement that in the new series Matt was reinstated as a lawyer in New York, Foggy's cancer was seemingly cured, and his civilian identity was a secret once more, but thanks to it being a consequence of ''Secret Wars,'' other fans felt it reeked a bit of the ResetButton being used.

*** Some fans were overjoyed at the announcement that in the new series Matt was reinstated as a lawyer in New York, Foggy's cancer was seemingly cured, and his civilian identity was a secret once more, but thanks to it being a consequence of ''Secret Wars,'' other fans felt it reeked a bit of the ResetButton being used.
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** There is a also a division among fans who prefer the return of the DarkerAndEdgier tone to the character during Charles Soule's run and those who felt that Mark Waid's relatively LighterAndSofter tone during his acclaimed run was a breath of fresh air for the character.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: The title has arguably suffered through a few of these.
** The tailend of the Silver Age is particularly hard to defend. Daredevil, a character known for being a more down-to-earth and grittier superhero, was the biggest quipster in the Marvel Universe behind Spidey during this period. The charmingly-cute irreverence of a teenager felt grossly inappropriate when coming from a grown man. The weakness of his RoguesGallery and the recurrence of absurd plots (like Matt's impersonation of his swingin' hep cat brother Mike to conceal his secret identity) also made it difficult to respect the book.
** The early [[TheNineties '90's]] is another widely panned period. Matt gets a new ridiculously DarkerAndEdgier costume, complete with metal shoulder pads and arm spikes, grows a five-o'clock shadow, and generally acts like a jerk to everyone for little to no reason. Throw in some terrible story arcs, like "The Iron Devil", and you get a period that most Daredevil fans would rather forget.



* DorkAge: The title has arguably suffered through a few of these.
** The tailend of the Silver Age is particularly hard to defend. Daredevil, a character known for being a more down-to-earth and grittier superhero, was the biggest quipster in the Marvel Universe behind Spidey during this period. The charmingly-cute irreverence of a teenager felt grossly inappropriate when coming from a grown man. The weakness of his RoguesGallery and the recurrence of absurd plots (like Matt's impersonation of his swingin' hep cat brother Mike to conceal his secret identity) also made it difficult to respect the book.
** The early [[TheNineties '90's]] is another widely panned period. Matt gets a new ridiculously DarkerAndEdgier costume, complete with metal shoulder pads and arm spikes, grows a five-o'clock shadow, and generally acts like a jerk to everyone for little to no reason. Throw in some terrible story arcs, like "The Iron Devil", and you get a period that most Daredevil fans would rather forget.
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* FriendlyFandoms: Daredevil fans get along well with ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' fans in spite, or perhaps because, of Kingpin being a RoguesGalleryTransplant from Spider-Man comics.

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%%* IronWoobie: More or less the plot of ''Man Without Fear: The Death of Daredevil''.

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%%* * IronWoobie: More or less Where to begin? His mother leaves when he is a baby, his father constantly pushes him to succeed so he can have a better life, he is blinded by chemicals and his father is murdered by the plot of ''Man Without Fear: The Death of Daredevil''.mob. Oh and the super senses? Matt can't turn them off and They make life nearly unbearable. In ''ComicBook/DaredevilBornAgain'', his ex-girlfriend sells his identity to the mob, he loses his legal license, he has all his money taken away and is reduced to living on the streets. Then in ''Shadowland'', he is demonically possessed and forced to do horrible things. Lets just say life sucks for Matt Murdock. And yet he never gives up and becomes a stronger person for it.



** The Creator/BrianMichaelBendis and Creator/EdBrubaker runs are considered high points of American comics in the early 21st century (Bendis was even nominated in the prestigious Angoulême festival for best album). Creator/MarkWaid managed to bring back the character's light side, while being widely acclaimed by fans of earlier, darker takes on the character.

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** The Creator/BrianMichaelBendis and Creator/EdBrubaker runs are considered high points of American comics in the early 21st century (Bendis was even nominated in the prestigious Angoulême festival for best album). Creator/MarkWaid managed to bring back the character's light side, while being widely acclaimed by fans of earlier, darker takes on the character.



** Milla Donovan, Matt's wife for a time. She was driven to insanity by Mister Fear just to spite Matt.

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** Milla Donovan, Matt's wife for a time. She was driven to insanity by Mister Fear just to spite Matt.Matt.
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* MyRealDaddy:
** Creator/FrankMiller more or less rebuilt Daredevil from the ground up, introducing most of the elements that readers associate with the character. Acclaimed runs like Creator/BrianMichaelBendis' and Creator/EdBrubaker's all build on the foundation that Miller laid, rather than Creator/StanLee's original version.
** Kingpin's reputation in comics, his stature as ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'s'' ArchEnemy, and his role as the all-powerful manipulator of crime and business who is untouchable by authority, owes itself to Creator/FrankMiller and his run on Daredevil.

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* MyRealDaddy:
MyRealDaddy: Creator/StanLee and Bill Everett (with some elements from Wally Wood) may have created Daredevil, but today, several creators have a very strong claim to being the definitive writer of the character.
** Creator/FrankMiller more or less rebuilt Creator/FrankMiller's run in TheEighties is still to this day a reference. It transformed Daredevil into the Noir-inspired Marvel version of Franchise/{{Batman}}; gave him a religious identity as a conflicted Roman Catholic; made the Kingpin, previously a minor Silver Age Spider-Man villain, into Daredevil's BigBad as well as one of the most influential villains in comics in TheEighties (inspiring the post-Crisis version of ComicBook/LexLuthor and post-resurrection Norman Osborn); introduced characters like Elektra, Bullseye and others; and, generally, elevated Daredevil from the ground up, introducing C-List to one of Marvel's most of the elements that readers associate with the character. Acclaimed important characters.
** The Creator/BrianMichaelBendis and Creator/EdBrubaker
runs like Creator/BrianMichaelBendis' and Creator/EdBrubaker's all build are considered high points of American comics in the early 21st century (Bendis was even nominated in the prestigious Angoulême festival for best album). Creator/MarkWaid managed to bring back the character's light side, while being widely acclaimed by fans of earlier, darker takes on the foundation that Miller laid, rather than Creator/StanLee's original version.
** Kingpin's reputation in comics, his stature as ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'s'' ArchEnemy, and his role as the all-powerful manipulator of crime and business who is untouchable by authority, owes itself to Creator/FrankMiller and his run on Daredevil.
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* RecycledPremise: The story in Creator/MarkWaid's run where Matt thinks a villain is trying to kill Kirsten to get to him, only to find out the villain is targeting Kirsten to kill ''Kirsten''! Waid used the same story in his ComicBook/WallyWest/The Flash and Linda Park in place of Daredevil and Kirsten, respectively. Similarly, the scene where Matt and Kristen first say 'I love you' to one-another plays out very similarly to how Wally and Linda first did so, with the hero accidentally saying it, only to decide instantly they ''mean'' it and exchange flirty banter with their girlfriend until they admit it as well.
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* NightmareFuel:
** Believe it or not, the Spot, as rendered in the first issue of Waid's run by Paolo Rivera. When you see him the way Matt does, you see a creature with chunks bitten out of him.
** When the Spot shows up again [[spoiler:around issue 20 when it's revealed that he's powering the Coyote]], it gets even worse.
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** Milla Donovan, Matt's wife for a time. She was driven to insanity by Mister Fear just to spite Matt.

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** Milla Donovan, Matt's wife for a time. She was driven to insanity by Mister Fear just to spite Matt.

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!!Click Here to see YMMV/Daredevil2015
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The Marvel Universe prides itself on making its heroes' lives hell, but Matt Murdock's life goes above and beyond the call of duty in terms of YankTheDogsChain and {{Wangst}}. To make a long story short: there are ''very'' powerful people that wish for Matt and Kingpin to kill each other, and are willing to do ''anything'' to make it happen. The times when the series becomes LighterAndSofter are short-lived and marked with a very brutal return to "normal". It takes some die-hard fanaticism to keep reading after a while.


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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: The Marvel Universe prides itself on making its heroes' lives hell, but Matt Murdock's life goes above and beyond the call of duty in terms of YankTheDogsChain and {{Wangst}}. To make a long story short: there are ''very'' powerful people that wish for Matt and Kingpin to kill each other, and are willing to do ''anything'' to make it happen. The times when the series becomes LighterAndSofter are short-lived and marked with a very brutal return to "normal". It takes some die-hard fanaticism to keep reading after a while.
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** Erik Slaughter is one of the most intelligent crime lords Daredevil ever faced. A dangerous mobster for decades who uses hired guns to do his dirty work, Slaughter first faces Daredevil by luring him into a duel with Bullseye, only for Slaughter to then step back and let the two have a fair fight, rejecting Bullseye's treacherous attempts to cheat to win. Facing down Bullseye's wrath afterwards without breaking a sweat, Slaughter apparently goes legit for years, in truth having turned into a government ally who reports on terrorist activity in exchange for his small criminal outfit being left alone. Immensely honorable and successful for his entire run as a criminal genius, Slaughter ends his stories still completely scot-free of all consequences for his actions, continuing to run his profitable gang without issue.

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* MagnificentBastard: Wilson "ComicBook/TheKingpin" Fisk is Marvel's greatest [[TheDon gangster]] and a consummate survivor. Having outfought, outwitted, and outlasted everyone who has ever tried to take his place, Fisk has secured his position as both New York's reigning mobster and a fixture in the supervillain community. With the capital to [[IOwnThisTown dominate the city]] and a reach that frequently spans continents, Fisk has developed the psychological torment of heroes like Matt Murdock and Peter Parker into an art form, and has left Matt's life in particular in ruins several times over. Always too stubborn to call it quits, Fisk rolls with or shrugs off everything that Marvel's heroes and villains can throw at him, while repeatedly demonstrating that only the most capable of opponents can do the same when he brings all his resources to bear on them. Having risen, fallen, and risen again, Fisk is never out of the game for long, and is always ready to show off the criminal skill and personal gravitas that made him Kingpin of Crime in the first place.

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* MagnificentBastard: MagnificentBastard:
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Wilson "ComicBook/TheKingpin" Fisk is Marvel's greatest [[TheDon gangster]] and a consummate survivor. Having outfought, outwitted, and outlasted everyone who has ever tried to take his place, Fisk has secured his position as both New York's reigning mobster and a fixture in the supervillain community. With the capital to [[IOwnThisTown dominate the city]] and a reach that frequently spans continents, Fisk has developed the psychological torment of heroes like Matt Murdock and Peter Parker into an art form, and has left Matt's life in particular in ruins several times over. Always too stubborn to call it quits, Fisk rolls with or shrugs off everything that Marvel's heroes and villains can throw at him, while repeatedly demonstrating that only the most capable of opponents can do the same when he brings all his resources to bear on them. Having risen, fallen, and risen again, Fisk is never out of the game for long, and is always ready to show off the criminal skill and personal gravitas that made him Kingpin of Crime in the first place.place.
** [[BadassNormal Carlos LaMuerto]], "[[SneakySpider the Black Tarantula]]", is reimagined as a far less powerful, [[AdaptationalHeroism much more heroic]] character. Getting out of prison on good behavior, Carlos teams up with Daredevil to take down a variety of criminals before deciding to strike out on his own, his [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty, ruthless nature]] clashing with Daredevil's proclivity to spare criminals. Carlos kills dozens of crooks and hands their stolen fortunes over to local charities, survives being burned alive by his dangerous cousin and tortures the man to death, and teams up with Daredevil once more to take down the entirety of the Hand, Carlos faking brainwashing to subvert the Hand from the inside. Helping Daredevil take control of the Hand, Carlos played a major role in the Hand's crime-fighting operation in New York, and served as the sole member who refused to be corrupted or driven mad by the Hand's evil influence.
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* CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/MarvelComics here]].

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* CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/MarvelComics [[Monster/{{Daredevil}} here]].
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** The "dating Matt" joke, which states that any woman who dates Matt not called ComicBook/BlackWidow or ComicBook/{{Typhoid Mary|MarvelComics}} will meet a horrible fate.

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** The "dating Matt" joke, which states that any woman who dates Matt not called ComicBook/BlackWidow or ComicBook/{{Typhoid Mary|MarvelComics}} [[Characters/DaredevilCentralRoguesGallery Typhoid Mary]] will meet a horrible fate.



** Ann Nocenti's run. She was the second person to succeed Miller and Miller had basically stripped Daredevil of many of his defining elements, such as his licence to practice law. Fortunately she was able to work wonders by pushing the book in a drastically different and unique direction with [[OutsideContextProblem atypical villains]] for the series and exploring different themes. Her handling of ComicBook/{{Typhoid Mary|MarvelComics}} in particular is seen as a highlight of the run.

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** Ann Nocenti's run. She was the second person to succeed Miller and Miller had basically stripped Daredevil of many of his defining elements, such as his licence to practice law. Fortunately she was able to work wonders by pushing the book in a drastically different and unique direction with [[OutsideContextProblem atypical villains]] for the series and exploring different themes. Her handling of ComicBook/{{Typhoid Mary|MarvelComics}} [[Characters/DaredevilCentralRoguesGallery Typhoid Mary]] in particular is seen as a highlight of the run.
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** ComicBook/{{Typhoid|MaryMarvelComics}} is manipulative, psychotic, and bloodthirsty on par with Wolverine. However, her other personalities only emerged as a coping mechanism for her horrible upbringing; and as a way to protect herself from the seemingly endless abuse. Furthermore, she cannot control the actions of her Typhoid, or Blood Mary, personas; and is often forced to take responsibility for them. More than a few times "Mary" has reemerged to find herself covered in blood, or forcibly institutionalized.

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** ComicBook/{{Typhoid|MaryMarvelComics}} Typhoid is manipulative, psychotic, and bloodthirsty on par with Wolverine. However, her other personalities only emerged as a coping mechanism for her horrible upbringing; and as a way to protect herself from the seemingly endless abuse. Furthermore, she cannot control the actions of her Typhoid, or Blood Mary, personas; and is often forced to take responsibility for them. More than a few times "Mary" has reemerged to find herself covered in blood, or forcibly institutionalized.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The Marvel Universe prides itself on making its heroes' lives hell, but Matt Murdock's life goes above and beyond the call of duty in terms of YankTheDogsChain and {{Wangst}}. To make a long story short: there are ''very'' powerful people that wish for Matt and Kingpin to kill each other, and are willing to do ''anything'' to make it happen. The times when the series becomes LighterAndSofter are short-lived and marked with a very brutal return to "normal". It takes some die-hard fanaticism to keep watching after a while.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The Marvel Universe prides itself on making its heroes' lives hell, but Matt Murdock's life goes above and beyond the call of duty in terms of YankTheDogsChain and {{Wangst}}. To make a long story short: there are ''very'' powerful people that wish for Matt and Kingpin to kill each other, and are willing to do ''anything'' to make it happen. The times when the series becomes LighterAndSofter are short-lived and marked with a very brutal return to "normal". It takes some die-hard fanaticism to keep watching reading after a while.

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** Soule's run. Many fans were overjoyed at the announcement that in the new series Matt was reinstated as a lawyer in New York, Foggy's cancer was seemingly cured, and his civilian identity was a secret once more, but thanks to it being a consequence of ''Secret Wars,'' some fans felt it reeked a bit of the ResetButton being used.

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** Soule's run. Many
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fans were overjoyed at the announcement that in the new series Matt was reinstated as a lawyer in New York, Foggy's cancer was seemingly cured, and his civilian identity was a secret once more, but thanks to it being a consequence of ''Secret Wars,'' some other fans felt it reeked a bit of the ResetButton being used.used.
*** There is a also a division among fans who prefer the return of the DarkerAndEdgier tone to the character during Charles Soule's run and those who felt that Mark Waid's relatively LighterAndSofter tone during his acclaimed run was a breath of fresh air for the character.

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Only the first paragraph resembles anything close to a Broken Base. The rest is just one-sided complaining.


** Soule's run.
*** Many fans were overjoyed at the announcement that in the new series Matt was reinstated as a lawyer in New York, Foggy's cancer was seemingly cured, and his civilian identity was a secret once more, but thanks to it being a consequence of ''Secret Wars,'' some fans felt it reeked a bit of the ResetButton being used.
*** Not to mention fans of Mark Waid's LighterAndSofter run of the series were disappointed to see a return to a DarkerAndEdgier tone, uprooting a relatively stable life for Matt in exchange for more tragedy, brooding and darkness.
*** Some, while happy for a return to Daredevil's more gritty roots, find Soule's writing to be mediocre. His original characters (Muse, Tenfingers, Blindspot) have mostly failed to catch on with the fanbase, in stark contrast to previous writers who managed to make a lasting mark on the franchise with their additions (Creator/FrankMiller had ComicBook/{{Elektra}}, Creator/BrianBendis had Maya Lopez/Echo and Creator/MarkWaid had Kirsten [=McDuffie=]).

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** Soule's run. \n*** Many fans were overjoyed at the announcement that in the new series Matt was reinstated as a lawyer in New York, Foggy's cancer was seemingly cured, and his civilian identity was a secret once more, but thanks to it being a consequence of ''Secret Wars,'' some fans felt it reeked a bit of the ResetButton being used.
*** Not to mention fans of Mark Waid's LighterAndSofter run of the series were disappointed to see a return to a DarkerAndEdgier tone, uprooting a relatively stable life for Matt in exchange for more tragedy, brooding and darkness.
*** Some, while happy for a return to Daredevil's more gritty roots, find Soule's writing to be mediocre. His original characters (Muse, Tenfingers, Blindspot) have mostly failed to catch on with the fanbase, in stark contrast to previous writers who managed to make a lasting mark on the franchise with their additions (Creator/FrankMiller had ComicBook/{{Elektra}}, Creator/BrianBendis had Maya Lopez/Echo and Creator/MarkWaid had Kirsten [=McDuffie=]).
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