History YMMV / Cyclops

6th Dec '17 3:18:11 AM Guerrero
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* NeverLiveItDown: Despite the sheer amount of leadership and badassery Scott had shown, he can never take a break for his screw-ups that the writers had piled on him, which is the usual ammunition of his haters in favor of his clawed rival.
** Abandoning his wife Madelyne Pryor and son Nathan Summers to be with the resurrected Jean Grey.
** Being in some kind of a psychic love affair with Emma while married to Jean. Though opinions vary on how bad this is, since Emma sees it as necessary therapy she's providing for Scott, and the two don't become actual lovers until after Jean's death (and with her consent).
** Killing Charles Xavier during a psychotic rampage. In his defense, he was possessed by the Dark Phoenix.
** Fans don't bring this one up very often, but as mentionned above, remember that time when he and Emma made out over Jean's grave like horny rabbits?

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* NeverLiveItDown: Despite the sheer amount of leadership and badassery Scott had shown, he can never take a break for his screw-ups that the writers had piled on him, which is the usual ammunition of his haters in favor of his clawed rival.
rival. Please note that most, if not all of these, are actually proven false or at least not as black and white by the context of the story.
** Abandoning his wife Madelyne Pryor and son Nathan Summers to be with the resurrected Jean Grey.
Grey. Fans ignore the fact that while Scott left to join X-Force, he kept his relationship with Maddy and only got back together with Jean when Maddy had seemingly disappeared to leave him. Adding to the thing with Nathan, Cyclops actually spent decades in the future raising Nathan, which proves how far he's willing to for his son.
** Being in some kind of a psychic love affair with Emma while married to Jean. Though opinions vary on how bad this is, since Emma sees it as necessary therapy she's providing for Scott, and the two don't become actual lovers until after Jean's death (and with her consent). \n Keep in mind that Emma being his therapist means that she takes advantage of Scott's vulnerable state and her own psychic powers to basically force him into the affair, that Jean herself frequently had ''completely physical and real'' affairs with Wolverine for years whilst taken, engaged or married to Cyclops, and finally, that Cyclops had to be ''psychically forced'' by Jean into starting a relationship with Emma after Jean died in order to prevent an apocalyptic future. In short, not only was he cheated on, abused and brainwashed into a relationship with his abuser, he also gets all the bad rap for all that.
** Killing Charles Xavier during a psychotic rampage. In his defense, he was possessed by the Dark Phoenix.
Phoenix, and even though characters like Jean Grey, Charles Xavier and the Scarlet Witch get a free pass for their terrible actions committed whilst possessed, he doesn't get the same privilege.
** Fans don't bring this one up very often, but as mentionned mentioned above, remember that time when he and Emma made out over Jean's grave like horny rabbits?rabbits? Again, his haters love to ignore the fact that it only happened thanks to Jean's telepathic tampering of Cyclops' mind in order to make him fall in love with Emma.
6th Dec '17 3:04:41 AM Guerrero
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*** It has since come to light that the ''horrible, nauseating, EVIL'' thing Cyclops did was ''trying to save mutants from extinction'' at the hands of the Terrigen mist clouds that the Inhumans let loose on the world to transform people into Inhumans, and it just so happened to be absolutely lethal to mutants. Cyclops heinous action was to modify one of the clouds to make it harmless, which was treated by everyone in-universe as tantamount to something ''Hitler himself would do'' (he literally gets called Hitler). The big reveal at the end of it all was that Cyclops in fact died shortly after the beginning of the series due to the cloud and all of his oh-so-evil actions were in fact a psychic projection Emma Frost created in order to make the world believe Black Bolt had executed him. All of this adds up to the fact that Cyclops himself didn't even do the things that he is accused of.
15th Nov '17 8:34:33 AM Forenperser
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** In the aftermath of ''Avengers vs. X-Men'', Aaron makes it a point to have characters get angry at and insult Cyclops literally whenever they meet, even characters that don't hate him in other books, and regardless of the current situation. Characters have called out Cyclops for training his students to fight and taking them in his missions... Which the X-Men do fairly often. Readers are quick to note that Cyclops' students are all college aged or older. Hell, after Cyclops shows concern for Wolverine and saves his life, [[UngratefulBastard Logan decides to be a dick to him]]. In Logan's defense, Cyclops is not only indirectly responsible for Professor X's death, but also [[WhatAnIdiot almost doomed the earth by welcoming back the Phoenix force despite everything that happened in the past]], therefore Logan, like many other heroes, has plenty of reasons to be super pissed at Cyke.

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** In the aftermath of ''Avengers vs. X-Men'', Aaron makes it a point to have characters get angry at and insult Cyclops literally whenever they meet, even characters that don't hate him in other books, and regardless of the current situation. Characters have called out Cyclops for training his students to fight and taking them in his missions... Which the X-Men do fairly often. Readers are quick to note that Cyclops' students are all college aged or older. Hell, after Cyclops shows concern for Wolverine and saves his life, [[UngratefulBastard Logan decides to be a dick to him]]. In Logan's defense, Cyclops is not only indirectly responsible for Professor X's death, but also [[WhatAnIdiot almost doomed the earth by welcoming back the Phoenix force despite everything that happened in the past]], therefore Logan, like many other heroes, has plenty of reasons to be super pissed at Cyke.



** Killing Charles Xavier during a psychotic rampage. In his defense, he was possessed by the Dark Phoenix. However, he is still partially responsible for it, because he had the bright idea to welcome back the Phoenix to earth after everything it did to him, his ex-wife and his friends, thus almost dooming earth in the process.

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** Killing Charles Xavier during a psychotic rampage. In his defense, he was possessed by the Dark Phoenix. However, he is still partially responsible for it, because he had the bright idea to welcome back the Phoenix to earth after everything it did to him, his ex-wife and his friends, thus almost dooming earth in the process.
13th Aug '17 10:40:09 PM MegaJ
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* InformedWrongness: Jason Aaron ''loves'' to have characters hate on Cyclops. In ''Schism'', Wolverine and mutants siding with him break off from Cyclops. Wolverine cites that children shouldn't be trained to fight... Readers are quick to point out that the X-Men have ''always'' trained kids to defend themselves, and that, at the time of ''Schism'', mutants were near-extinct, and anti-mutant violence was at an all-time high. It doesn't help that ''Wolverine himself'' makes a point of taking a teenage girl under his wing every decade or so. Especially mind-numbing is the fact that Wolverine's plan is essentially to run way and hope they escape, and to encourage them to run [[WhatAnIdiot he rigs the whole island to explode.]] In the end, the students start fighting off the Sentinel while the two fight, and when they realize this, Wolverine abandons his plan to help do the exact thing Cyclops said they should...and yet in the end, instead of admitting Scott was right, he leaves, because Scott is making the students fight their battles (despite the fact that, if he doesn't let them fight, them and everyone else will die).

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* InformedWrongness: ''Oh boy''.
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Jason Aaron ''loves'' to have characters hate on Cyclops. In ''Schism'', Wolverine and mutants siding with him break off from Cyclops. Wolverine cites that children shouldn't be trained to fight... Readers are quick to point out that the X-Men have ''always'' trained kids to defend themselves, and that, at the time of ''Schism'', mutants were near-extinct, and anti-mutant violence was at an all-time high. It doesn't help that ''Wolverine himself'' makes a point of taking a teenage girl under his wing every decade or so. Especially mind-numbing is the fact that Wolverine's plan is essentially to run way and hope they escape, and to encourage them to run [[WhatAnIdiot he rigs the whole island to explode.]] In the end, the students start fighting off the Sentinel while the two fight, and when they realize this, Wolverine abandons his plan to help do the exact thing Cyclops said they should...and yet in the end, instead of admitting Scott was right, he leaves, because Scott is making the students fight their battles (despite the fact that, if he doesn't let them fight, them and everyone else will die).
21st Jul '17 4:26:45 AM steelhawk98
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* DesignatedVillain: Is frequently blamed for everything that goes wrong simply because he's the only one to step up to the plate and accept responsibility. [[spoiler: The fact that he and Emma kissed and made out on Jean's grave doesn't help his reputation amonst fans or amongst other heroes at all.]]

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* DesignatedVillain: Is frequently blamed for everything that goes wrong simply because he's the only one to step up to the plate and accept responsibility. [[spoiler: The fact that he and Emma kissed and made out on Jean's grave doesn't help his reputation amonst fans or amongst other heroes at all.all, although people tend to forget the context of that (to put it simply, they are reasons why he is listed among those male characters in comics where their own rape is not addressed.]]
10th Apr '17 12:16:55 PM TheNerevarine
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* MagnificentBastard: Solidified in ''Curse of the Mutants''. [[spoiler: To add some context, Utopia was surrounded by Vampires, fighting on every side and platform. Jubilee and Wolverine have both been turned, and the latter is standing only a few feet away, ready to cut his head off and turn the rest of the X-Men. Cyke's response? Pulling out a control to reactivate Wolverine's HealingFactor, turning him back. That's right, Scott discovered he was immune to vampirism and that the vampires wanted to turn him, so he deactivated his HealingFactor and allowed him to be turned, just so he could turn him back right when they were relying on him to lead their forces. The vampires, still in shock, are promptly slaughtered. Meanwhile, Scott's earlier plan, to bring back Dracula and have him take back the vampire horde, appeared to have failed and was forgotten...only for it to turnout Dracula had been tracking down Xarus all this time, and after curbstomping his son and taking back his place, Cyke warns him that he could kill him with the push of a button. Dracula claims that he knows he's bluffing, but still lets them leave in peace. In short, do NOT threaten the safety of Cyclops' people, and when he says that he will slaughter you, he means it.]]

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* MagnificentBastard: Solidified in ''Curse of the Mutants''.''ComicBook/CurseOfTheMutants''. [[spoiler: To add some context, Utopia was surrounded by Vampires, fighting on every side and platform. Jubilee and Wolverine have both been turned, and the latter is standing only a few feet away, ready to cut his head off and turn the rest of the X-Men. Cyke's response? Pulling out a control to reactivate Wolverine's HealingFactor, turning him back. That's right, Scott discovered he was immune to vampirism and that the vampires wanted to turn him, so he deactivated his HealingFactor and allowed him to be turned, just so he could turn him back right when they were relying on him to lead their forces. The vampires, still in shock, are promptly slaughtered. Meanwhile, Scott's earlier plan, to bring back Dracula and have him take back the vampire horde, appeared to have failed and was forgotten...only for it to turnout Dracula had been tracking down Xarus all this time, and after curbstomping his son and taking back his place, Cyke warns him that he could kill him with the push of a button. Dracula claims that he knows he's bluffing, but still lets them leave in peace. In short, do NOT threaten the safety of Cyclops' people, and when he says that he will slaughter you, he means it.]]
28th Mar '17 4:16:17 PM NVPOWER
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** Being in some kind of a psychic love affair with Emma while married to Jean. Though opinions vary on how bad this is, since Emma sees it as necessary therapy he's providing for Scott, and the two don't become actual lovers until after Jean's death (and with her consent).

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** Being in some kind of a psychic love affair with Emma while married to Jean. Though opinions vary on how bad this is, since Emma sees it as necessary therapy he's she's providing for Scott, and the two don't become actual lovers until after Jean's death (and with her consent).consent).
28th Mar '17 4:12:57 PM NVPOWER
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** In the aftermath of ''Avengers vs. X-Men'', Aaron makes it a point to have characters get angry at and insult Cyclops literally whenever they meet, even characters that don't hate him in other books, and regardless of the current situation. Characters have called out Cyclops for training his students to fight and taking them in his missions... Which the X-Men do fairly often. Readers are quick to note that Cyclops' students are all college aged or older. Hell, after Cyclops shows concern for Wolverine and saves his life, [[UngratefulBastard Logan decides to be a dick to him]]. In Logan's defense, Cyclops is not only indirectly responsible for Professor X's death, but also [[WhatAnIdiot almost doomed the earth by welcoming back the Phoenix force despite everything that happened in the past.]]

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** In the aftermath of ''Avengers vs. X-Men'', Aaron makes it a point to have characters get angry at and insult Cyclops literally whenever they meet, even characters that don't hate him in other books, and regardless of the current situation. Characters have called out Cyclops for training his students to fight and taking them in his missions... Which the X-Men do fairly often. Readers are quick to note that Cyclops' students are all college aged or older. Hell, after Cyclops shows concern for Wolverine and saves his life, [[UngratefulBastard Logan decides to be a dick to him]]. In Logan's defense, Cyclops is not only indirectly responsible for Professor X's death, but also [[WhatAnIdiot almost doomed the earth by welcoming back the Phoenix force despite everything that happened in the past.]]past]], therefore Logan, like many other heroes, has plenty of reasons to be super pissed at Cyke.
28th Mar '17 4:10:38 PM NVPOWER
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* FridgeHorror: Scott's relationship with Emma Frost becomes a ''lot'' less romantic when you remember that its foundation was built on rape.(She convinced him having psychic sex was the best way to treat his PTSD while acting as his therapist.)

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* FridgeHorror: Scott's relationship with Emma Frost becomes a ''lot'' less romantic when you remember that its foundation was built on rape.rape and horrible things they both did (She convinced him having psychic sex was the best way to treat his PTSD while acting as his therapist.)therapist and then they kissed and made out on Jean's grave. Unfortunately, these two things are just the tip of the iceberg).



** In the aftermath of ''Avengers vs. X-Men'', Aaron makes it a point to have characters get angry at and insult Cyclops literally whenever they meet, even characters that don't hate him in other books, and regardless of the current situation. Characters have called out Cyclops for training his students to fight and taking them in his missions... Which the X-Men do fairly often. Readers are quick to note that Cyclops' students are all college aged or older. Hell, after Cyclops shows concern for Wolverine and saves his life, [[UngratefulBastard Logan decides to be a dick to him]].

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** In the aftermath of ''Avengers vs. X-Men'', Aaron makes it a point to have characters get angry at and insult Cyclops literally whenever they meet, even characters that don't hate him in other books, and regardless of the current situation. Characters have called out Cyclops for training his students to fight and taking them in his missions... Which the X-Men do fairly often. Readers are quick to note that Cyclops' students are all college aged or older. Hell, after Cyclops shows concern for Wolverine and saves his life, [[UngratefulBastard Logan decides to be a dick to him]]. In Logan's defense, Cyclops is not only indirectly responsible for Professor X's death, but also [[WhatAnIdiot almost doomed the earth by welcoming back the Phoenix force despite everything that happened in the past.]]



** Being in some kind of a psychic love affair with Emma while married to the Jean. Though opinions vary on how bad this is, since Emma sees it as necessary therapy he's providing for Scott, and the two don't become actual lovers until after Jean's death (and with her consent).
** Killing Charles Xavier during a psychotic rampage while possessed by the Dark Phoenix.

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** Being in some kind of a psychic love affair with Emma while married to the Jean. Though opinions vary on how bad this is, since Emma sees it as necessary therapy he's providing for Scott, and the two don't become actual lovers until after Jean's death (and with her consent).
** Killing Charles Xavier during a psychotic rampage while rampage. In his defense, he was possessed by the Dark Phoenix.Phoenix. However, he is still partially responsible for it, because he had the bright idea to welcome back the Phoenix to earth after everything it did to him, his ex-wife and his friends, thus almost dooming earth in the process.
** Fans don't bring this one up very often, but as mentionned above, remember that time when he and Emma made out over Jean's grave like horny rabbits?
** In the Ultimate universe, he left the X-men to join Magneto temporarily. The reason? Because he saw Logan and Jean making out. That's it. Nothing else. He tries to pretend otherwise, but it's easy to call him out on it. He left the closest thing he had to a family to join a genocidal supervillain, simply because he saw Logan and Jean making out.



* RonTheDeathEater: While Cyclops may not be perfect and he makes his share of mistakes, but as an A-List superhero team leader, that's bound to happen. However, as far as some writers, fan or [[RunningTheAsylum professional]] alike, are concerned, he's the most despicable person on the planet. [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen Despite being brainwashed at the time]], people are blaming him and solely him for the state mutants are in now, despite mutants always being in this kind of situation. Then there's the fans who complain about the fact he blames Wolverine and the Avengers, or the dark Phoenix, instead of accepting blame himself...despite the fact that he still accepted responsibility, and is the only one in the mess who's accepted any blame in the whole mess (except for Captain America, who at least admits he hasn't done enough to help mutants), while the opposing side hasn't and continue to blame him for everything.
* ShipToShipCombat: Where to even start? Cyke/Jean vs. Cyke/Emma is probably the biggest battle in the fan base, the former being iconic while the latter some fans find far more interesting, and still others remember him fondly with Madelyn Prior (who was later revealed to be an evil clone of Jean, or driven to being evil DependingOnTheWriter). That's not even getting into HoYay with Angel and, of course, Wolverine. ''Now'' there's also the fact that some writers have decided that ''the Phoenix Force itself'' wants him. Then of course is [[FoeYay Mr. Sinister]], who has ''long'' displayed an unhealthy obsession with Cyclops within the books leading to quite a bit of subtext among fans. More recently, Uncanny has seen Tempus, Maria Hill and even Magik enter the fray. And that's not even including ''Teen''!Scott in ''All-New'', who is popularly linked both with the obligatory Jean Grey (in this case time-displaced O5 Teen!Jeen) and, thanks to Rule63 giving the fanbase an outlet for Adult!Scott's subtext with Logan, Comicbook/{{X 23}}. The one thing all of the fans seems to ''agree'' one is that Scott loves to hook up with crazy people that would love nothing more than to dominate and break him.

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* RonTheDeathEater: While Cyclops may not be perfect and he makes his share of mistakes, but as an A-List superhero team leader, that's bound to happen. However, as far as some superheroes, Supervillains, writers, fan fans or [[RunningTheAsylum professional]] alike, are concerned, he's the most despicable person on the planet. [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen Despite being brainwashed at the time]], people are blaming him and solely him for the state mutants are in now, despite mutants always being in this kind of situation. Then there's the fans who complain about the fact he blames Wolverine and the Avengers, or the dark Phoenix, instead of accepting blame himself...despite the fact that he still accepted responsibility, and is the only one in the mess who's accepted any blame in the whole mess (except for Captain America, who at least admits he hasn't done enough to help mutants), while the opposing side hasn't and continue to blame him for everything.
* ShipToShipCombat: Where to even start? Cyke/Jean vs. Cyke/Emma is probably the biggest battle in the fan base, the former being iconic while the latter some fans find far more interesting, and still others remember him fondly with Madelyn Prior (who was later revealed to be an evil clone of Jean, or driven to being evil DependingOnTheWriter). That's not even getting into HoYay with Angel and, of course, Wolverine. ''Now'' there's also the fact that some writers have decided that ''the Phoenix Force itself'' wants him. Then of course is [[FoeYay Mr. Sinister]], who has ''long'' displayed an unhealthy obsession with Cyclops within the books leading to quite a bit of subtext among fans. More recently, Uncanny has seen Tempus, Maria Hill and even Magik enter the fray. And that's not even including ''Teen''!Scott in ''All-New'', who is popularly linked both with the obligatory Jean Grey (in this case time-displaced O5 Teen!Jeen) and, thanks to Rule63 giving the fanbase an outlet for Adult!Scott's subtext with Logan, Comicbook/{{X 23}}. The one thing all of the fans seems to ''agree'' one is that Scott loves to hook up with crazy people that would love nothing more than to dominate and break him. This may seem weird, but remember: Comic Book logic.



** Following DeathOfX any time O5 Cyclops whines about his future self being 'evil' or 'Mutant Hitler' it comes across as incredibly stupid and holier than thou, when it was revealed that Cyclops did literally nothing wrong and risked everything to save the mutant race while Young Cyclops did literally nothing of note. What's even more baffling is that ''he was there'' when Death of X happened and so he knows the truth about his older self... and he still whines about him!

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** Following DeathOfX any time O5 Cyclops whines about his future self being 'evil' or 'Mutant Hitler' it comes across as incredibly stupid and holier than thou, when it was revealed that Cyclops did literally nothing wrong and risked everything to save the mutant race while Young Cyclops did literally nothing of note. What's even more baffling is that ''he was there'' when Death of X happened and so he knows the truth about his older self... and he still whines about him!him! In his defense, his older self DID do a lot of stupid things in his(their?) life (See Neverliveitdown above), so it's kind of understandable.
28th Mar '17 3:29:55 PM NVPOWER
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* DesignatedVillain: Is frequently blamed for everything that goes wrong simply because he's the only one to step up to the plate and accept responsibility.

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* DesignatedVillain: Is frequently blamed for everything that goes wrong simply because he's the only one to step up to the plate and accept responsibility. [[spoiler: The fact that he and Emma kissed and made out on Jean's grave doesn't help his reputation amonst fans or amongst other heroes at all.]]
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