History YMMV / Cyclops

27th Jul '16 3:49:30 AM Tuomas
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** Being in some kind of a psychic love affair with Emma while married to the Jean. Though your mileage may vary how bad this is, since Emma sees it as necessary therapy he's providing for Scott, and the two don't become actual lovers until after Jean's death (and with her consent).

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** Being in some kind of a psychic love affair with Emma while married to the Jean. Though your mileage may opinions vary on how bad this is, since Emma sees it as necessary therapy he's providing for Scott, and the two don't become actual lovers until after Jean's death (and with her consent).
27th Jul '16 3:48:43 AM Tuomas
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** Being involved with a psychic love affair with Emma, while married to the psychic Jean which overlaps with Misblamed, as the affair started with her essentially ''raping'' him.

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** Being involved with in some kind of a psychic love affair with Emma, Emma while married to the psychic Jean which overlaps with Misblamed, Jean. Though your mileage may vary how bad this is, since Emma sees it as necessary therapy he's providing for Scott, and the affair started two don't become actual lovers until after Jean's death (and with her essentially ''raping'' him.consent).
27th Jul '16 3:37:33 AM Tuomas
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** "Abandoning" his wife Madelyne Pryor and son Nathan Summers to search for the resurrected Jean Grey.

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** "Abandoning" Abandoning his wife Madelyne Pryor and son Nathan Summers to search for be with the resurrected Jean Grey.
10th Jul '16 12:39:50 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Quite possibly the champion BaseBreaker among X-Men characters and fans along with Wolverine, and it's not helped by the fact that ''the writers themselves'' are split on if they like him or not. Especially now, with him and his group of X-Men being wanted fugitives who are hunted by the Avengers, it leads to a large split between fans who think he's making things worse by opposing SHIELD or if his intentions are well enough to justify his actions. Its telling, that whenever Cyclops gets into an argument with someone now, half the fanbase respond by complaining about what a dick the other person is being, while the other half complains about ''him'' instead.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Quite possibly the champion BaseBreaker among X-Men characters and fans along with Wolverine, and it's not helped by the fact that ''the writers themselves'' are split on if they like him or not. Especially now, with him and his group of X-Men being wanted fugitives who are hunted by the Avengers, it leads to a large split between fans who think he's making things worse by opposing SHIELD or if his intentions are well enough to justify his actions. Its telling, that whenever Cyclops gets into an argument with someone now, half the fanbase respond by complaining about what a dick the other person is being, while the other half complains about ''him'' instead.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: While Big Scott still counts as a BaseBreaker despite his large increase in popularity since [=AvX=], Young Scott's status as TheCutie and a BadassAdorable has managed to win around a large number of people to his side, even, strangely, a contingent of people who hate on his older self. The fact that his solo is amazingly drawn and written possibly helps too.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: While Big Scott still counts as a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter despite his large increase in popularity since [=AvX=], Young Scott's status as TheCutie and a BadassAdorable has managed to win around a large number of people to his side, even, strangely, a contingent of people who hate on his older self. The fact that his solo is amazingly drawn and written possibly helps too.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While Cyke was always more of a BaseBreaker than a Scrappy, Post-[=AvX=], he seems to have shot up in popularity, possibly usurping Wolverine (Going by recent sales, ''Uncanny'', Scott's book, has nearly double the sales ''WATXM'' has, though that might be due to BrianBendis writing and its lower issue count - Wolvie's series was in the 40s before relaunching). Due to the DesignatedVillain treatment he got and is still getting, combined with his genuine attempts at helping people and apparently being the only one bothering to reach out and help any of the newly awakened mutants, and the fact he's the only one who tries to suggest peace rather than tossing insults and fighting whenever he runs into the people who currently dislike him, despite it being ''them'' we're apparently supposed to root for. Notably, when Cyclops popped up in ''WATXM'' to help Wolverine fight off sentinels, fans actually cheered Cyclops on and called for him to JustShootHim now that Wolverine's without his HealingFactor since Wolverine was being such a huge dick to him (which he did literally the second after Scott saved his life).

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While Cyke was always more of a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter than a Scrappy, Post-[=AvX=], he seems to have shot up in popularity, possibly usurping Wolverine (Going by recent sales, ''Uncanny'', Scott's book, has nearly double the sales ''WATXM'' has, though that might be due to BrianBendis writing and its lower issue count - Wolvie's series was in the 40s before relaunching). Due to the DesignatedVillain treatment he got and is still getting, combined with his genuine attempts at helping people and apparently being the only one bothering to reach out and help any of the newly awakened mutants, and the fact he's the only one who tries to suggest peace rather than tossing insults and fighting whenever he runs into the people who currently dislike him, despite it being ''them'' we're apparently supposed to root for. Notably, when Cyclops popped up in ''WATXM'' to help Wolverine fight off sentinels, fans actually cheered Cyclops on and called for him to JustShootHim now that Wolverine's without his HealingFactor since Wolverine was being such a huge dick to him (which he did literally the second after Scott saved his life).
5th May '16 11:19:35 PM ablackraptor
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** In the ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' phase of X-Men and Inhumans book, Cyclops is thought to be dead, but before that did ''something'' that has made people hate mutants again. Fans however have a hard time holding it against him since we don't know ''what'' exactly it is that he did, as they constantly avoid details beyond it has ''something'' to do with the Inhumans and the Terrigen Mists killing mutants (which, in fairness, hardly makes him the badguy, or at least any worse than Black Bolt). What doesn't help matters is that Teen!Cyke goes on a tangent about his older self's guilt, but what he claims about him prior to the relaunch don't actually line-up with what ''actually happened'' (such as claiming he was 'getting worse' when he'd actually been getting better over the course of Bendis' run), indicating that whatever Scott ''did'' do is probably not as bad as what they're claiming.
3rd Mar '16 6:34:33 PM Ramona122003
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* CreatorsPet: {{Inverted}} in stories by Craig Kyle and Jason Aaron. With Kyle, in some of the works with is writing partner Chris Yost (such as ComicBook/XForce and ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen''), Cyclops tends to be incompetent, moody, and generally unlikeable, but whenever Chrs Yost handles him by himself, and even some works with Kyle, Cyke tends to be much more balanced and likeable, making it apparent this is Kyle (similar with the level of violence too; whenever Kyle is involved, Yost's work is much more bloody and violent). Meanwhile, with Jason Aaron, he's penned two big storylines (''Schism'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'') involving Cyclops, both of which involve Wolverine (and in [=AvX=], Captain America) giving Cyclops a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech after he crosses what is supposedly the MoralEventHorizon, with the end being Cyclops left with a large group of his former team, and the superhero community in general, hating his guts. Meanwhile, in his contributions to ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'', both Wolverine and Storm spend notable moments reminding him and the viewer that they don't like him and think he's crossed the line, without explaining why. With Kyle its arguable to say this since its only really bad in WATXM, but Aaron, at this point its pretty clear he seems to enjoy having characters hate him.
3rd Mar '16 6:12:39 PM Ramona122003
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* CreatorsPet: Played straight when written by Matt Fraction, who many feel made his run pretty much a love-letter to him. Inverted, however, by Craig Kyle and Jason Aaron. With Kyle, in some of the works with is writing partner Chris Yost (such as ComicBook/XForce and ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen''), Cyclops tends to be incompetent, moody, and generally unlikeable, but whenever Chrs Yost handles him by himself, and even some works with Kyle, Cyke tends to be much more balanced and likeable, making it apparent this is Kyle (similar with the level of violence too; whenever Kyle is involved, Yost's work is much more bloody and violent). Meanwhile, with Jason Aaron, he's penned two big storylines (''Schism'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'') involving Cyclops, both of which involve Wolverine (and in [=AvX=], Captain America) giving Cyclops a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech after he crosses what is supposedly the MoralEventHorizon, with the end being Cyclops left with a large group of his former team, and the superhero community in general, hating his guts. Meanwhile, in his contributions to ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'', both Wolverine and Storm spend notable moments reminding him and the viewer that they don't like him and think he's crossed the line, without explaining why. With Kyle its arguable to say this since its only really bad in WATXM, but Aaron, at this point its pretty clear he seems to enjoy having characters hate him.
13th Dec '15 8:03:16 PM nombretomado
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* CreatorsPet: Played straight when written by Matt Fraction, who many feel made his run pretty much a love-letter to him. Inverted, however, by Craig Kyle and Jason Aaron. With Kyle, in some of the works with is writing partner Chris Yost (such as {{X-Force}} and ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen''), Cyclops tends to be incompetent, moody, and generally unlikeable, but whenever Chrs Yost handles him by himself, and even some works with Kyle, Cyke tends to be much more balanced and likeable, making it apparent this is Kyle (similar with the level of violence too; whenever Kyle is involved, Yost's work is much more bloody and violent). Meanwhile, with Jason Aaron, he's penned two big storylines (''Schism'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'') involving Cyclops, both of which involve Wolverine (and in [=AvX=], Captain America) giving Cyclops a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech after he crosses what is supposedly the MoralEventHorizon, with the end being Cyclops left with a large group of his former team, and the superhero community in general, hating his guts. Meanwhile, in his contributions to ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'', both Wolverine and Storm spend notable moments reminding him and the viewer that they don't like him and think he's crossed the line, without explaining why. With Kyle its arguable to say this since its only really bad in WATXM, but Aaron, at this point its pretty clear he seems to enjoy having characters hate him.

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* CreatorsPet: Played straight when written by Matt Fraction, who many feel made his run pretty much a love-letter to him. Inverted, however, by Craig Kyle and Jason Aaron. With Kyle, in some of the works with is writing partner Chris Yost (such as {{X-Force}} ComicBook/XForce and ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen''), Cyclops tends to be incompetent, moody, and generally unlikeable, but whenever Chrs Yost handles him by himself, and even some works with Kyle, Cyke tends to be much more balanced and likeable, making it apparent this is Kyle (similar with the level of violence too; whenever Kyle is involved, Yost's work is much more bloody and violent). Meanwhile, with Jason Aaron, he's penned two big storylines (''Schism'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'') involving Cyclops, both of which involve Wolverine (and in [=AvX=], Captain America) giving Cyclops a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech after he crosses what is supposedly the MoralEventHorizon, with the end being Cyclops left with a large group of his former team, and the superhero community in general, hating his guts. Meanwhile, in his contributions to ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'', both Wolverine and Storm spend notable moments reminding him and the viewer that they don't like him and think he's crossed the line, without explaining why. With Kyle its arguable to say this since its only really bad in WATXM, but Aaron, at this point its pretty clear he seems to enjoy having characters hate him.
3rd Nov '15 10:48:41 PM steelhawk98
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** [[spoiler:Meta-wise this will now be the case no matter what happens in ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel''. You'd think the writers would see their failed first attempt as a sign that maybe Cyclops doesn't work as a villain and they should something NOT stupid.]]

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** [[spoiler:Meta-wise this will now be the case no matter what happens in ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel''. You'd think the writers would see their failed first attempt as a sign that maybe Cyclops doesn't work as a villain and they should do something NOT stupid.]]
28th Oct '15 3:51:35 AM steelhawk98
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** [[spoiler:Meta-wise this will now be the case no matter what happens in ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel''. You'd think the writers would see their failed first attempt as a sign that maybe Cyclops doesn't work as a villain and they should something NOT stupid.]]
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