History YMMV / CriminalMinds

10th Jan '18 11:35:51 PM TCF01
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* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** See the FranchiseOriginalSin entry below.
** Also in relation to the below FranchiseOriginalSin entry, more recent episodes that have shown the [=UnSub=]'s face early have taken advantage of these aspects to create entirely original plots that make up for the early reveals. For example, in the season 11 episode "Hostage", the [=UnSub=]'s face is revealed early because he's [[VillainBall actually captured early by the BAU]]. However, the rest of the episode is spent with the team having to break through the brainwashing said [=UnSub=] subjected a kidnapping victim to. In another example, it appears that the identity and motivations of the [=UnSub=] of season 13's "Submerged" have been made crystal-clear when details of his killings and other relevant factors (such as a man arrested while searching for his missing adult son) are shown in the first two acts. However, in the third act, [[spoiler: viewers are dealt with a curve ball when it's revealed the [=UnSub=] is ''not'' the missing adult son like they were led to believe]].



* FranchiseOriginalSin: Before Season Three's "In Name and Blood", the show never revealed to the audience who the [=UnSub=] was before the team figured out who the [=UnSub=] was (besides "The Last Word", although that one still had one [=UnSub=] to be revealed at the end). Later episodes, including some hailed as classic episodes such as "Normal" and "The Uncanny Valley", would use this early reveal to good effect, illuminating some aspect of the [=UnSub=] that couldn't be brought out unless it was directly shown (such as the effects Norman Hill's wife's belittling had on Norman). However, as the series moved on, the writers fell in love with the idea too much, dragging it to the point where it is now where virtually every [=UnSub=], even those who had no storytelling reason to be revealed, are revealed early to the audience, making the episode an exercise (sometimes painful) in watching the team try to catch the [=UnSub=] before it's too late. Fans often complain that this early reveal robs the show of what once made it good--the guessing game of who the [=UnSub=] was as a person--since now the audience now already knows the puzzle before it's finished. Fortunately, a number of later episodes have made efforts at returning to those original roots.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Before Season Three's "In Name and Blood", the show never revealed to the audience who the [=UnSub=] was before the team figured out who the [=UnSub=] was (besides "The Last Word", although that one still had one [=UnSub=] to be revealed at the end). Later episodes, including some hailed as classic episodes such as "Normal" and "The Uncanny Valley", would use this early reveal to good effect, illuminating some aspect of the [=UnSub=] that couldn't be brought out unless it was directly shown (such as the effects Norman Hill's wife's belittling had on Norman). However, as the series moved on, the writers fell in love with the idea too much, dragging it to the point where it is now where virtually every [=UnSub=], even those who had no storytelling reason to be revealed, are revealed early to the audience, making the episode an exercise (sometimes painful) in watching the team try to catch the [=UnSub=] before it's too late. Fans often complain that this early reveal robs the show of what once made it good--the guessing game of who the [=UnSub=] was as a person--since now the audience now already knows the puzzle before it's finished. Fortunately, [[AuthorsSavingThrow Fortunately]], a number of later episodes have made efforts at returning to those original roots.
22nd Dec '17 10:29:03 PM TCF01
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** Stephen Walker's conversation with a dying [=UnSub=] definitely becomes this after you've seen "Wheels Up", [[spoiler:where Stephen himself is killed]].



* HilariousInHindsight

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*** The [=UnSub=] of "Exit Wounds" was played by the same actor who played a budding serial killer on ''Dexter'', who unusually for that show was surprisingly sympathetic. The character on ''Series/CriminalMinds'' was actually ''more'' of a CompleteMonster.

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*** ** The [=UnSub=] of "Exit Wounds" was played by the same actor who played a budding serial killer on ''Dexter'', who unusually for that show was surprisingly sympathetic. The character on ''Series/CriminalMinds'' was actually ''more'' of a CompleteMonster.



*** Befriended a friendly preacher, only for [[spoiler:the preacher to nearly kill him in a panic after it was learned that the preacher was in fact a corrupt pimp.]]

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*** Befriended a friendly preacher, only for [[spoiler:the [[spoiler: the preacher to nearly kill him in a panic after it was learned that the said preacher was in fact a corrupt pimp.]]]]
*** [[spoiler: Being framed for murder in Mexico and being sent to prison for two months pending trial, where he is roped into the activities of a drug cartel, witnesses the murder of a prisoner he befriended, is constantly menaced by other prisoners, and commits attempted murder in order to defend himself (fortunately, he is never suspected of that, but he is left [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness feeling guilty about this out-of-character moment]]). And it doesn't stop even after his name is cleared: he has to deal with the kidnapping of his mom at the hands of the people who framed him. ''And then'', when ''that'' case is finally solved, he is then forced to deal with Mr. Scratch's ambush on the rest of the team, which leaves one colleague dead, another missing, and the rest badly injured. '''Wow.''']]
20th Dec '17 10:52:59 PM NightShade96
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** A pre-fame Amber Heard plays Lila Archer in "Somebody's Watching".

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** A pre-fame Amber Heard Creator/AmberHeard plays Lila Archer in "Somebody's Watching".
12th Dec '17 3:59:29 PM Peridonyx
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: New viewers have second thoughts about the show which is about FBI profilers catching serial killers and there are several instances where there are [[DownerEnding Downer Endings]] due to TheBadGuyWins or that the team failed to save the victim in the last minute which would haunt them for the rest of their lives. The later seasons are catching up with this thanks to FranchiseOriginalSin.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: DarknessInducedAudienceApathy:
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New viewers have second thoughts about the show which is about FBI profilers catching serial killers and there are several instances where there are [[DownerEnding Downer Endings]] due to TheBadGuyWins or that the team failed to save the victim in the last minute which would haunt them for the rest of their lives. The later seasons are catching up with this thanks to FranchiseOriginalSin.FranchiseOriginalSin.
** Special mention goes to the "No Way Out" arc in Season 2 -- and its aftereffects in Season 3. [[spoiler:Frank Breitkopf's HappyEndingOverride over the "The Fisher King" arc (by invoking BackForTheDead on the girl they saved back then) and his KarmaHoudini-esque death (by getting to go out via "TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth" suicide, instead of being brought to justice in a satisfactory conclusion) have made it hard for quite a few fans to enjoy the silver lining of his last victim being saved in time. Also, the BAU's superiors end up "rewarding" them by putting them on thin ice for their mistakes during the case. And lastly, Gideon begins undergoing a HeroicBSOD for being unable to properly avenge his murdered girlfriend, which causes him to mess up big-time in a new case as well -- thus completing his journey past the DespairEventHorizon, and out of the BAU (and therefore the show) for the rest of his life.]]
27th Nov '17 12:25:38 PM randomguy399
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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: All the time; see PlayingAgainstType, below. Special mention goes to [[Series/DawsonsCreek Dawson]], who somehow manages to [[spoiler:go between three vastly different personalities - a scared young man, a tyrannical fundamentalist father, and a dispassionate, wrathful angel -- with vastly different body languages multiple times in the space of ''seconds''.]]

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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: All the time; see PlayingAgainstType, below. Special mention goes to [[Series/DawsonsCreek Dawson]], JamesVanDerBeek, who somehow manages to [[spoiler:go between three vastly different personalities - a scared young man, a tyrannical fundamentalist father, and a dispassionate, wrathful angel -- with vastly different body languages multiple times in the space of ''seconds''.]]
26th Nov '17 6:06:57 PM randomtroper89
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*** The season seven episode "Dorado Falls" is perhaps the worst example of Virginia distances and locations. Garcia says that Charlottesville is "practically our backyard" in reference to Quantico, despite the two being about 100 miles apart. A similar distance issue comes up when the [=UnSub=] seemingly drives from Charlottesville to Bethesda to Quantico within half an hour-- despite the real-life drive being over three hours, crossing over state lines in the process.

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*** The season seven episode "Dorado Falls" is perhaps the worst example of Virginia distances and locations. Garcia says that Charlottesville is "practically our backyard" in reference to Quantico, despite the two being about 100 80 miles apart. A similar distance issue comes up when the [=UnSub=] seemingly drives from Charlottesville to Bethesda to Quantico within half an hour-- despite the real-life drive being over three hours, crossing over state lines in the process.almost two hours.
26th Nov '17 6:03:38 PM randomtroper89
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* AssPull: The entire Pentagon thing in "JJ". Simon Mirren has tried justifying it with "[[{{Retcon}} We have always known that J.J. had other connections...]]"

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The entire Pentagon thing in "JJ". Simon Mirren has tried justifying it with "[[{{Retcon}} We have always known that J.J. had other connections...]]"
26th Nov '17 6:03:19 PM randomtroper89
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Peter Lewis, though it has a good reason. Every time the BAU encountered him, they were always preoccupied with breaking through the hypnosis he subjected his proxies to, as well as solving the puzzles he left for them. It's when he's finally out of proxies and puzzles that it becomes easy to corner and defeat him.
23rd Nov '17 5:56:53 PM Alvin
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** "The Lesson" opens on an bizarre discussion between an orderly and an elderly patient who wants to anger the orderly into killing him by overdose. Once the orderly starts overdosing him, the coma patient in the next bed over wakes up and starts screaming. The coma patient is the [=UnSub=] and the orderly, the patient and their weird conversation never gets referred to again.

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** "The Lesson" opens on an bizarre discussion between an orderly and an elderly patient who wants to anger the orderly into killing him by overdose. Once the orderly starts overdosing him, the coma patient in the next bed over wakes up and starts screaming. The coma patient is the [=UnSub=] and the orderly, the patient and their weird conversation never gets get referred to again.
23rd Nov '17 5:55:27 PM Alvin
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** "The Lesson" opens on an bizarre discussion between an orderly and an elderly patient who wants to anger the orderly into killing him by overdose. Once the orderly starts overdosing him, the comma patient in the next bed over wakes up and starts screaming. The comma patient is the [=UnSub=] and the orderly, the patient and there weird conversation never gets referred to again.

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** "The Lesson" opens on an bizarre discussion between an orderly and an elderly patient who wants to anger the orderly into killing him by overdose. Once the orderly starts overdosing him, the comma coma patient in the next bed over wakes up and starts screaming. The comma coma patient is the [=UnSub=] and the orderly, the patient and there their weird conversation never gets referred to again.
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