History YMMV / Crepuscule

4th Jan '18 1:37:29 PM Euvany
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Due to a somewhat rushed conclusion of certain threads, the ending feels a bit like OnlyTheLeadsGetAHappyEnding (or specifically, Only Lark and Bathory Get an Ending with Closure):
** Considering that Setz declared in the finale that Lark is all he has left, it can come off as an outright DownerEnding for him that [[spoiler:Lark essentially ditches him without a word in the epilogue]]--that Setz has a history of loss and abandonment just makes it an even more bitter pill to swallow. The fact that he now has to look after Neal, his most hated enemy, doesn't help either.
** Neal spends the entire series on a downward spiral with absolutely zero indication that he wanted to get better--and his arc pretty much ends on this note. If he does reform, then it's going to be an incredibly rocky path; if he doesn't, then he's a KarmaHoudini [[TheBadGuyWins who got what he wanted]]. And regardless, [[spoiler:depending on exactly how old he is, he may not have much left longer to live]].
* IronWoobie: After spending most of the series as an ExtremeDoormat, Setz graduates into this by the end. He's one of the few characters who not only ''doesn't'' become a JerkassWoobie or WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in response to his trauma (of which he [[TraumaCongaLine suffers plenty]], from beginning to end), but uses his grief to become a better person than everyone who's wronged him.



** Though responsible for half the problems in Season 2 and not particularly remorseful over it, it's not hard to see why Tepes is so angry at [[spoiler:a world she feels has wronged her and her people, and though she also causes a lot of her own problems with her attitude, that she feels abandoned by those around her]] can come across as pitiful nevertheless.
* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt:
** What with her being one of the most popular characters whose circumstances were built up over the course of a season, it wasn't too surprising that [[spoiler:Tepes's "death" in Season 2 didn't last and that she returned for Season 3]].
** Subverted with regards to [[spoiler:Angela's death]]. That it occurred early on and was a case of NeverFoundTheBody might've led some to suspect there was more to it, but [[spoiler:if the rest of the season didn't convince them that she was KilledOffForReal, the series finale confirms it]].



** While less tragic than other examples, it's not hard to feel sorry for Sia when you learn about his FriendlessBackground or, when Seere asks to speak to Lark alone and Sia, actually seeming a bit hurt, asks if he's a bother to them.

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** While less tragic than other examples, it's not hard to feel sorry for Sia when you learn about his FriendlessBackground or, when Seere asks to speak to Lark alone and Sia, actually seeming a bit hurt, asks if he's a bother to them.them.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Surprisingly, this happens to the ''deuteragonist'', aka Setz. While he has arguably ''the'' most CharacterDevelopment in the series and a powerful personal arc, overall he has little relevance to the overarching story. The mystery behind his latent ability and birth is something of a CaptainObviousReveal and has zero impact on anything despite the buildup, and though the latter is somewhat lampshaded, the series doesn't compensate by playing him up as TheUnchosenOne as a {{Foil}} to Lark as it could've. In the grand scheme of things, compounded by his EsotericHappyEnding, it comes off as his only purpose having been to bring Lark to Crepuscule, meaning that his role was over ''by the end of the prologue''.
28th Nov '15 8:15:44 PM Euvany
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** Despite being the primary antagonist of Season 2 and having [[spoiler:manipulated Sylvia into killing Angela]], Gilles's backstory, in which he [[spoiler:wrecked his relationship with Tepes, whom he considered his "other half"]], and how he's evidently a mess in the present who doesn't even know what it is he really wants can invoke some sympathy for the guy.


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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Purposely pushing Carne past the DespairEventHorizon]] serves as this for Neal, particularly in how planned it was and how utterly nasty he is about it.
26th Nov '15 6:37:03 PM Euvany
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* {{Moe}}: Lark and Setz as children were ''precious''.
26th Nov '15 6:31:11 PM Euvany
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite having been introduced just in that season, Tepes ranked #1 in the popularity poll at the end of Season 2. Averted otherwise, though: Lark, Bathory, and Setz, aka the three main characters, consecutively took the next positions.
* JerkassWoobie:
** Neal who is a huge jerk, suffered from AbusiveParents [[spoiler: that kept him caged in the basement because he was an ''illegitimate child'' who stained the reputation of their "Pure Blooded Family"]] and when he ''finally'' escapes from them he ends up under "the care" of Navarus, Setz's own abusive father, who treats him as his slave.
** Much later in the story, [[spoiler:Lark]] ends up becoming this after [[spoiler:Angela's]] death. Though he zig-zags between this and WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds... [[spoiler: Thankfully, in recent chapters, he has finally recovered.]]
* TheScrappy: Sylvia received a fair amount of hate after [[spoiler:killing Angela]].
* ViewerGenderConfusion: Who could tell right away that Queeny, even after being unmasked, was a boy?



** Setz who also suffers from AbusiveParents, feels really lonely and grows up with next to no friends.
** Karne who is orphaned at a young age and feels that Setz doesn't return her feelings for him. [[spoiler: Not to mention how she suffers from amnesia regarding what happened to her parents... And all goes downhill when she recalls that she was the one responsible for their deaths, plus her own mother was quite abusive towards her.]]

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** Setz who also suffers from AbusiveParents, AbusiveParents (and has had to put up with Neal), feels really lonely and grows up with next to no friends.
friends. [[spoiler:The series also has a distressing tendency to kill off those he cares about, not to mention he's the one who struggles the most with Lark's [[AntiHero attitude]] in Season 2.]]
** Karne Carne who is orphaned at a young age and feels that Setz doesn't return her feelings for him. [[spoiler: Not to mention how she suffers from amnesia regarding what happened to her parents... And all goes downhill when she recalls that she was the one responsible for their deaths, plus her own mother was quite abusive towards her.]]



* JerkassWoobie: Neal who is a huge jerk, also suffered from AbusiveParents [[spoiler: that kept him caged in the basement because he was an ''illegitimate child'' who stained the reputation of their "Pure Blooded Family"]] and when he ''finally'' escapes from them he ends up under "the care" of Navarus, Setz's own abusive father, who treats him as his slave.
** Much later in the story, [[spoiler:Lark]] ends up becoming this after [[spoiler:Angela's]] death. Though he zig-zags between this and WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds... [[spoiler: Thankfully, in recent chapters, he has finally recovered.]]

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* JerkassWoobie: Neal who is a huge jerk, also suffered from AbusiveParents [[spoiler: that kept him caged in the basement because he was an ''illegitimate child'' who stained the reputation of their "Pure Blooded Family"]] and ** While less tragic than other examples, it's not hard to feel sorry for Sia when he ''finally'' escapes from them he ends up under "the care" of Navarus, Setz's own abusive father, who treats him as you learn about his slave.
** Much later in the story, [[spoiler:Lark]] ends up becoming this after [[spoiler:Angela's]] death. Though he zig-zags between this
FriendlessBackground or, when Seere asks to speak to Lark alone and WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds... [[spoiler: Thankfully, in recent chapters, he has finally recovered.]]Sia, actually seeming a bit hurt, asks if he's a bother to them.
3rd Aug '14 8:26:13 PM GreenSummerDreams
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** Karne who is orphaned at a young age and feels that Setz doesn't return her feelings for him. [[spoiler: Not to mention how she suffers from amnesia and is the one who killed her own mother, who was quite abusive towards her.]]
** Bathory, whose mother abandoned her and she spent ''years'' searching for at least one living relative... only to end up [[spoiler:being tortured for her ability by Nergal, and when she ''does'' find her aunt, Angela, she ends up being killed after a short while after their meeting.]]

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** Karne who is orphaned at a young age and feels that Setz doesn't return her feelings for him. [[spoiler: Not to mention how she suffers from amnesia and is regarding what happened to her parents... And all goes downhill when she recalls that she was the one who killed responsible for their deaths, plus her own mother, who mother was quite abusive towards her.]]
** Bathory, whose mother was abandoned by her mother and she spent after spending ''years'' searching for at least one living relative... only to end ends up [[spoiler:being tortured for her ability by Nergal, and when she ''does'' find her aunt, Angela, she ends up being killed after a short while after their meeting.]]
29th Jul '14 3:19:39 PM Jukita
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** Bathory who spent ''years'' searching for at least one living relative... only to [[spoiler: to end up being tortured for her ability by Nergal, and when she ''does'' find her aunt, Angela, she ends up being killed after a short while after their meeting.]]
** JerkassWoobie: Neal who is a huge jerk, also suffered from AbusiveParents [[spoiler: that kept him caged in the basement because he was an ''"illegitimate child"'' who stained the reputation of their "Pure Blooded Family" and when he ''finally'' escapes from them he ends up under "the care" of Navarus, Setz's own abusive father, who treats him as his slave.]]

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** Bathory who Bathory, whose mother abandoned her and she spent ''years'' searching for at least one living relative... only to [[spoiler: to end up being [[spoiler:being tortured for her ability by Nergal, and when she ''does'' find her aunt, Angela, she ends up being killed after a short while after their meeting.]]
** * JerkassWoobie: Neal who is a huge jerk, also suffered from AbusiveParents [[spoiler: that kept him caged in the basement because he was an ''"illegitimate child"'' ''illegitimate child'' who stained the reputation of their "Pure Blooded Family" Family"]] and when he ''finally'' escapes from them he ends up under "the care" of Navarus, Setz's own abusive father, who treats him as his slave.slave.
** Much later in the story, [[spoiler:Lark]] ends up becoming this after [[spoiler:Angela's]] death. Though he zig-zags between this and WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds... [[spoiler: Thankfully, in recent chapters, he has finally recovered.
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29th Jul '14 3:12:04 PM Jukita
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* TheWoobie: Setz and Carne.

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* TheWoobie: Several, ''several'', characters.
** Lark, at the beginning of the story, as he suffered from AllTheOtherReindeer and AbusiveParents.
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Setz who also suffers from AbusiveParents, feels really lonely and Carne.grows up with next to no friends.
** Karne who is orphaned at a young age and feels that Setz doesn't return her feelings for him. [[spoiler: Not to mention how she suffers from amnesia and is the one who killed her own mother, who was quite abusive towards her.]]
** Bathory who spent ''years'' searching for at least one living relative... only to [[spoiler: to end up being tortured for her ability by Nergal, and when she ''does'' find her aunt, Angela, she ends up being killed after a short while after their meeting.]]
** JerkassWoobie: Neal who is a huge jerk, also suffered from AbusiveParents [[spoiler: that kept him caged in the basement because he was an ''"illegitimate child"'' who stained the reputation of their "Pure Blooded Family" and when he ''finally'' escapes from them he ends up under "the care" of Navarus, Setz's own abusive father, who treats him as his slave.]]
20th Oct '13 10:02:35 AM Euvany
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* TheWoobie: Setz and Carne.
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