History YMMV / CounterStrike

17th Jul '16 2:41:49 PM LordLoko
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** CYKA BLYAT. A phrase famous for begin spoken by russian players. Roughly translates to "whore bitch"
18th Jun '16 11:40:22 AM ThatOneCheeseGuy
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* InternetBackdraft: Winter 2015 update was met with huge backlash for numerous reasons:
** The R8 revolver is widely hated by just about all of the competitive scene, for being a pistol with AWP-like damage and no recoil or movement aim penalties.
** Longer recoil reset on both [=M4s=] and the AK made spraydowns much more reliant on [[RandomNumberGod RNG]], which arguably made the rifle play much less skillful.
** Increase in movement recoil for pistols was widely awaited by community, but even this was screwed up, as Valve just doubled the recoil values for all pistols, forgetting that shooting on the move is a vital feature of the Glock (since its range and damage are inferior to CT starting pistols). This made pistol rounds way more CT sided.

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* InternetBackdraft: InternetBackdraft
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Winter 2015 update was met with huge backlash for numerous reasons:
** *** The R8 revolver is widely hated by just about all of the competitive scene, for being a pistol with AWP-like damage and no recoil or movement aim penalties.
** *** Longer recoil reset on both [=M4s=] and the AK made spraydowns much more reliant on [[RandomNumberGod RNG]], which arguably made the rifle play much less skillful.
** *** Increase in movement recoil for pistols was widely awaited by community, but even this was screwed up, as Valve just doubled the recoil values for all pistols, forgetting that shooting on the move is a vital feature of the Glock (since its range and damage are inferior to CT starting pistols). This made pistol rounds way more CT sided.


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** And then an update in the middle of June that same year added a sound cue for firing at low ammo. Most players immediately started to ''hate'' this change for numerous reasons; a) very few, if any, guns in real life make ''any'' sound if their magazine is close to empty, b) it was a global noise, and therefore took the guesswork out of figuring how close an enemy is to an empty weapon, and c) the sound was lifted straight from the main menu.
12th May '16 7:58:32 AM BreakinBenny
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*** In recent years, de_dust has died a slow and painful death due to people having finally begun to realize that the map is heavily flawed; forcing choke-points to always occur at just two locations, and both being heavily favored for the counter-terrorists to claim victory. It's for this reason that de_dust2 exists, which is a much more balanced map for both sides.

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*** In recent years, de_dust has died a slow and painful death due to people having finally begun to realize that the map is heavily flawed; forcing choke-points to always occur at just two locations, and both being heavily favored for the counter-terrorists Counter-Terrorists to claim victory. It's for this reason that de_dust2 exists, which is a much more balanced map for both sides.



** Crouch delays [[labelnote: Explanation]]The character model takes a second before counting as "crouched", despite the first-person view showing the crouched view almost instantly[[/labelnote]] in ''Global Offensive''. A fair mechanic to reduce crouch spam, or a true ScrappyMechanic that causes deaths that, from the perspective of one getting killed, seems like they shouldn't have happened?

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** Crouch delays [[labelnote: Explanation]]The [[labelnote:Explanation]]The character model takes a second before counting as "crouched", despite the first-person view showing the crouched view almost instantly[[/labelnote]] in ''Global Offensive''. A fair mechanic to reduce crouch spam, or a true ScrappyMechanic that causes deaths that, from the perspective of one getting killed, seems like they shouldn't have happened?



* CrowningMomentofAwesome: The Anarchists, a bunch of dumbass kids, can kick the asses of the FBI.

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* CrowningMomentofAwesome: CrowningMomentOfAwesome: The Anarchists, a bunch of dumbass kids, can kick the asses of the FBI.



** As of release day R8 Revolver is definitely broken beyond belief. It has damage comparable to an AWP and absolutely ZERO penalties for shooting on the move, all for 850$. It's supposed to be balanced by a delay between pulling the trigger and shooting, but this can be bypassed completely by firing with a right click (at a cost of some accuracy, negligible even at the medium range). Result is, no one fires with a left click and every player with an AK or M4 essentially has an AWP as a secondary weapon. And to top it all off, you can use the secondary fire ''while defusing the bomb''.

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** As of release day R8 Revolver is definitely broken beyond belief. It has damage comparable to an AWP and absolutely ZERO penalties for shooting on the move, all for 850$.$850. It's supposed to be balanced by a delay between pulling the trigger and shooting, but this can be bypassed completely by firing with a right click (at a cost of some accuracy, negligible even at the medium range). Result is, no one fires with a left click and every player with an AK or M4 essentially has an AWP as a secondary weapon. And to top it all off, [[NotTheIntendedUse you can use the secondary fire ''while defusing the bomb''.]]



** The number of Danish teens who both have Steam and own any version of Counter Strike, is almost every single one.

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** The number of Danish teens who both have Steam and own any version of Counter Strike, ''Counter-Strike'', is almost every single one.



* LoveItOrHateIt: ''Counter Strike Nexon: Zombies''. It's liked for being a good free-to-play version of ''Counter Strike'', along with a somewhat amount of characters with {{Fanservice}}, an ongoing ''Zombie Scenario'' storyline, and '''''HUGE''''' amounts of GunPorn. It also helps that it's on steam, DLC included (with the starter pack being free, of course!). Others dislike it due to being a "[[BribingYourWayToVictory Pay To Win]]" game, along with the fact that the graphics have not aged well, and that they would [[FanonDiscontinuity rather forget about it]]. It doesn't help that it's been [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny done to death]]. Hell, it also earned a 61% from UsefulNotes/{{Steam}}.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: ''Counter Strike Nexon: Zombies''. It's liked for being a good free-to-play version of ''Counter Strike'', along with a somewhat amount of characters with {{Fanservice}}, {{fanservice}}, an ongoing ''Zombie Scenario'' storyline, and '''''HUGE''''' amounts of GunPorn. It also helps that it's on steam, Steam, DLC included (with the starter pack being free, of course!). Others dislike it due to being a "[[BribingYourWayToVictory Pay To Win]]" game, along with the fact that the graphics have not aged well, and that they would [[FanonDiscontinuity rather forget about it]]. It doesn't help that it's been [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny done to death]]. Hell, it also earned a 61% from UsefulNotes/{{Steam}}.
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** If you want to play 1.6 or ''Source'', get used to hearing the ''' ''FIRE IN THE HOLE!'' ''' sound clip ''every time'' a player throws a grenade.

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** If you want to play 1.6 or ''Source'', get used to hearing the ''' ''FIRE '''''FIRE IN THE HOLE!'' ''' HOLE!''''' sound clip ''every time'' a player throws a grenade.



** No one likes to play cs_militia. The house the counter-terrorists have to invade is just ''too'' terrorist friendly.
** de_dust ended up going this route after people realized just how counter-terrorist friendly the map is. Literally ''everyone'' prefers to play de_dust2 over it.

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** No one likes to play cs_militia. The house the counter-terrorists Counter-Terrorists have to invade is just ''too'' terrorist Terrorist friendly.
** de_dust ended up going this route after people realized just how counter-terrorist Counter-Terrorist friendly the map is. Literally ''everyone'' prefers to play de_dust2 over it.



** Riot Shields for counter-terrorists have yet to make a reappearance since 1.6, as the only way to kill shield users were to grenade them, time the shot correctly when they move the shield to pull out their pistol, or get lucky and somehow pop the shielder through the vision hole.

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** Riot Shields for counter-terrorists Counter-Terrorists have yet to make a reappearance since 1.6, as the only way to kill shield users were to grenade them, time the shot correctly when they move the shield to pull out their pistol, or get lucky and somehow pop the shielder through the vision hole.



** AK-47/Desert Eagle is ''THE'' weapon combination that is considered to be the premier load-out. Most counter-terrorists players even prefer to drop their M4 for the AK.

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** AK-47/Desert Eagle is ''THE'' weapon combination that is considered to be the premier load-out. Most counter-terrorists Counter-Terrorists players even prefer to drop their M4 for the AK.



** The terrorist-only TEC-9 pistol for the same reasons as the CZ along with a high magazine capacity and low recoil on the move. Players often refer to this gun as the [[FanNickname "REKT-9"]]. Like the AK-47, it is often picked up by counter-terrorists if they're able to kill a terrorist wielding it while some prefer sticking with the [=Five-SeveN.=] It has been nerfed to have lower magazine capacity (from 32 to 24) and range, but it's still the best option for eco rushes.

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** The terrorist-only Terrorist-only TEC-9 pistol for the same reasons as the CZ along with a high magazine capacity and low recoil on the move. Players often refer to this gun as the [[FanNickname "REKT-9"]]. Like the AK-47, it is often picked up by counter-terrorists Counter-Terrorists if they're able to kill a terrorist Terrorist wielding it while some prefer sticking with the [=Five-SeveN.=] It has been nerfed to have lower magazine capacity (from 32 to 24) and range, but it's still the best option for eco rushes.
11th May '16 11:20:09 PM Wuz
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** Specific mention should be made to ''Counter-Strike'' (original, although most of the time it's 1.6) vs ''Counter-Strike: Source''. Many 1.6er's claim Source is only for noobs and idiots (due to the weakening of wall-spamming and the overall less intense recoil of Source) while many Source fans say all 1.6 players are StopHavingFunGuys and believe 1.6 is a buggy and unpolished game that focuses only on Competitive Gaming and nothing else.
** Global Offensive tried to avert this, but the implementation of several features (or lack thereof in the case of party searching on consoles) such as matchmaking instead of server lists, coupled with the drastically reduced player count and horrendously tiny map selection just made things worse.

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** Specific mention should be made to ''Counter-Strike'' (original, although most of the time it's 1.6) vs ''Counter-Strike: Source''. Many 1.6er's claim Source ''Source'' is only for noobs and idiots (due to the weakening of wall-spamming and the overall less intense recoil of Source) ''Source'') while many Source ''Source'' fans say all 1.6 players are StopHavingFunGuys and believe 1.6 is a buggy and unpolished game that focuses only on Competitive Gaming and nothing else.
** Global Offensive ''Global Offensive'' tried to avert this, but the implementation of several features (or lack thereof in the case of party searching on consoles) such as matchmaking instead of server lists, coupled with the drastically reduced player count and horrendously tiny map selection just made things worse.



*** The [[LagCancel ADAD]] spam in Global Offensive to some in SPUF, in regards to recoil reset when you change direction.

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*** The [[LagCancel ADAD]] spam in Global Offensive ''Global Offensive'' to some in SPUF, in regards to recoil reset when you change direction.



*** CSGO is now within the top-five most-played games on Steam at any given time, with more players active in it than Source and 1.6 combined. It has also on several occasions made it to second place. It's safe to say it was averted in the end.

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*** CSGO is now within the top-five most-played games on Steam at any given time, with more players active in it than Source ''Source'' and 1.6 combined. It has also on several occasions made it to second place. It's safe to say it was averted in the end.



** Crouch delays [[labelnote: Explanation]]The character model takes a second before counting as "crouched", despite the first-person view showing the crouched view almost instantly[[/labelnote]] in Global Offensive. A fair mechanic to reduce crouch spam, or a true ScrappyMechanic that causes deaths that, from the perspective of one getting killed, seems like they shouldn't have happened?

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** Crouch delays [[labelnote: Explanation]]The character model takes a second before counting as "crouched", despite the first-person view showing the crouched view almost instantly[[/labelnote]] in Global Offensive.''Global Offensive''. A fair mechanic to reduce crouch spam, or a true ScrappyMechanic that causes deaths that, from the perspective of one getting killed, seems like they shouldn't have happened?



* EnsembleDarkhorse: The chickens on cs_italy. They were removed from Source, but came back in ''Global Offensive''.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The chickens on cs_italy. They were removed from Source, ''Source'', but came back in ''Global Offensive''.



** Due to changes in the money system, though, the AWP/AWM and the semi-automatic sniper rifles have since been accepted as legitimate weapons in Global Offensive due to their now hard to purchase status, and nerfing by reducing payout per kill. Humorously, this ends up in an [=AWPer=] who kills an entire 5-man team receiving a measly $125.

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** Due to changes in the money system, though, the AWP/AWM and the semi-automatic sniper rifles have since been accepted as legitimate weapons in Global Offensive ''Global Offensive'' due to their now hard to purchase status, and nerfing by reducing payout per kill. Humorously, this ends up in an [=AWPer=] who kills an entire 5-man team receiving a measly $125.



** English terrorist voices in Global Offensive on cs_office. Why do terrorists speak like TotallyRadical fratboys?

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** English terrorist voices in Global Offensive ''Global Offensive'' on cs_office. Why do terrorists speak like TotallyRadical fratboys?



* {{Sequelitis}}: All the various games and spin-offs released between 1.6 and Global Offensive are considered to fall to this. Although ''Condition Zero'', ''Counter Strike: Neo'', and Nexon's two [=F2P=] spin offs are subject to FanonDiscontinuity by most, ''Counter Strike: Source'' is subject to most of the controversy. Due to Source being the most popular game in the series for the longest time while simultaneously being considered the weakest of the 3 "main" games, most of the [[BrokenBase inevitable arguing]] is centered around whether or not CSS is a good game.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: All the various games and spin-offs released between 1.6 and Global Offensive ''Global Offensive'' are considered to fall to this. Although ''Condition Zero'', ''Counter Strike: Neo'', and Nexon's two [=F2P=] spin offs are subject to FanonDiscontinuity by most, ''Counter Strike: Source'' is subject to most of the controversy. Due to Source ''Source'' being the most popular game in the series for the longest time while simultaneously being considered the weakest of the 3 "main" games, most of the [[BrokenBase inevitable arguing]] is centered around whether or not CSS is a good game.



** The Wildfire Operation update for Global Offensive brought a new and improved de_nuke... which turned out to be filled with unnecessary and framerate-killing clutter, disruptive background noise, and a silo on bombsite B that can be easily planted on and defended.

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** The Wildfire Operation Wildfire update for Global Offensive ''Global Offensive'' brought a new and improved de_nuke... which turned out to be filled with unnecessary and framerate-killing clutter, disruptive background noise, and a silo on bombsite B that can be easily planted on and defended.
11th May '16 11:18:22 PM Wuz
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* BrokenBase: Which is the real Counter-Strike, 1.6 or 5.2? If you know what that means, chances are you have a strong opinion about it and have voiced that opinion (coupled with a threat) on a gaming forum.

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* BrokenBase: Which is the real Counter-Strike, ''Counter-Strike'', 1.6 or 5.2? If you know what that means, chances are you have a strong opinion about it and have voiced that opinion (coupled with a threat) on a gaming forum.



** Specific mention should be made to Counter-Strike (original, although most of the time it's 1.6) vs Counter-Strike: Source. Many 1.6er's claim Source is only for noobs and idiots (due to the weakening of wall-spamming and the overall less intense recoil of Source) while many Source fans say all 1.6 players are StopHavingFunGuys and believe 1.6 is a buggy and unpolished game that focuses only on Competitive Gaming and nothing else.

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** Specific mention should be made to Counter-Strike ''Counter-Strike'' (original, although most of the time it's 1.6) vs Counter-Strike: Source.''Counter-Strike: Source''. Many 1.6er's claim Source is only for noobs and idiots (due to the weakening of wall-spamming and the overall less intense recoil of Source) while many Source fans say all 1.6 players are StopHavingFunGuys and believe 1.6 is a buggy and unpolished game that focuses only on Competitive Gaming and nothing else.



** Most modern Korean MMOFPS's adopted gun mechanics similar to Counter-Strike.

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** Most modern Korean MMOFPS's adopted gun mechanics similar to Counter-Strike.''Counter-Strike''.



* HilariousInHindsight: Regarding Counter-Strike: Neo (the Japan-only oriented spin-off of Counter-Strike, changing the art style towards a much-more Animesque style,) its existence tickles the funny bone of every Counter-Strike fan who watched the older CS parody videos before the website went down for good. One specific vid discussed ways to make Counter-Strike relevant to younger gamers by making the game more anime style, full of [[Manga/DragonBall Kamehameha-style laser blasts]], so the game can appeal to Anime/{{Pokemon}} and Anime/DragonBallZ fans. Keep in mind that the video was made in 1999, right when the Pokémon and anime craze hit the U.S. the hardest.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Regarding Counter-Strike: Neo ''Counter-Strike: Neo'' (the Japan-only oriented spin-off of Counter-Strike, ''Counter-Strike'', changing the art style towards a much-more Animesque style,) its existence tickles the funny bone of every Counter-Strike ''Counter-Strike'' fan who watched the older CS parody videos before the website went down for good. One specific vid discussed ways to make Counter-Strike ''Counter-Strike'' relevant to younger gamers by making the game more anime style, full of [[Manga/DragonBall Kamehameha-style laser blasts]], so the game can appeal to Anime/{{Pokemon}} and Anime/DragonBallZ fans. Keep in mind that the video was made in 1999, right when the Pokémon and anime craze hit the U.S. the hardest.



** The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1oO8kxyuE extremely stupid]] victory phrases in ''Global Offensive'' have become a minor meme in the Counter-Strike community.

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** The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1oO8kxyuE extremely stupid]] victory phrases in ''Global Offensive'' have become a minor meme in the Counter-Strike ''Counter-Strike'' community.
6th May '16 4:06:46 AM ThatOneCheeseGuy
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** Crouch delays [[labelnote: Explanation]]The character model takes a second before counting as "crouched", despite the first-person view showing the crouched view almost instantly[[/labelnote]] in Global Offensive. A fair mechanic to reduce crouch spam, or a true ScrappyMechanic that causes deaths that, from the perspective of one getting killed, seems like they shouldn't have happened?



** The CZ 75 automatic pistol has been derided as being overpowered and drowning out the other pistols, even the mighty Desert Eagle, prompting some people to call ''Global Offensive'' after the pistol was introduced as ''CZ-GO''. It has been nerfed since its introduction but still remains an effective weapon.

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** The CZ 75 automatic pistol has been derided as being overpowered and drowning out the other pistols, even the mighty Desert Eagle, prompting some people to call ''Global Offensive'' after the pistol was introduced as ''CZ-GO''. It has been nerfed since its introduction but still remains an effective weapon. However, the weapon is seeing descent into ScrappyWeapon territory due to having a pathetic kill award, despite having a small magazine and only one extra in reserve.
21st Apr '16 5:52:59 PM ThatOneCheeseGuy
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** Longer recoil reset on both [=M4s=] and the AK made spraydowns much more reliant or [[RandomNumberGod RNG]], which arguably made the rifle play much less skillful.

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** Longer recoil reset on both [=M4s=] and the AK made spraydowns much more reliant or on [[RandomNumberGod RNG]], which arguably made the rifle play much less skillful.



** An update in late April 2016 moved Inferno (a well liked map, even with its flaws) into the "Reserves" map pool, and replaced it with the new Nuke. Due to Nuke's flaws as listed under TheyChangedItNowItSucks below, fans were pretty angry about this change.



** The Wildfire Operation update for Global Offensive brought a new and improved de_nuke... which turned out to be filled with unnecessary and framerate-killing clutter, background noise, and a silo on bombsite B that can be easily planted on and defended.

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** The Wildfire Operation update for Global Offensive brought a new and improved de_nuke... which turned out to be filled with unnecessary and framerate-killing clutter, disruptive background noise, and a silo on bombsite B that can be easily planted on and defended.
20th Feb '16 2:57:54 PM ThatOneCheeseGuy
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** The Wildfire Operation update for Global Offensive brought a new and improved de_nuke... which turned out to be filled with unnecessary and framerate-killing clutter, background noise, and a silo on bombsite B that can be easily planted on and defended.
17th Jan '16 2:24:37 PM TurtwigTrainer
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* CrowningMomentofAwesome: The Anarchists, a bunch of dumbass kids, can kick the asses of the FBI

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* CrowningMomentofAwesome: The Anarchists, a bunch of dumbass kids, can kick the asses of the FBIFBI.



%%**The Anarchists. That is all.

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%%**The Anarchists. That is all.**The Anarchist faction on cs_office. Their over-acted lines and general look (looking more like teenage rebels than terrorists) have led to much love among the fanbase.
4th Jan '16 7:30:30 PM googlop
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** The Anarchists. That is all.

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** The %%**The Anarchists. That is all.
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