History YMMV / Constantine

26th Jul '17 11:26:38 AM ProfessorGrimm
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[[folder: Animated Revival]]
* InternetBackdraft: Many fans were disappointed how there was no discussion about the show at all at the 2017 SDCC, not even a trailer or press release
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21st Jul '17 8:43:34 AM ProfessorGrimm
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* CantUnhearIt: Creator/MattRyan has quickly become Constantine's de facto performer due to his charismatic performance. He has reprised his role as Constantine for all of the character's subsequent appearances with the children's series ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueAction'' so being the only exception.

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* CantUnhearIt: Creator/MattRyan has quickly become Constantine's de facto performer due to his charismatic performance. He has reprised his role as Constantine for all of the character's subsequent appearances with the children's series ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueAction'' so far being the only exception.
31st May '17 6:28:08 PM cwf123
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-->'''Lucifer:''' ''Hello, Jooohhhn...Jooohhnn, hello....''

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-->'''Lucifer:''' ''Hello, Jooohhhn...Jooohhnn, hello....'''''
* SignatureSong: Passive by A Perfect Circle.
18th May '17 1:05:13 PM Anddrix
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Although the show was canceled despite fan campaigns to save it, it was retconned into being a part of the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}} with John getting a guest appearance in an early episode of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' season 4.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Although the show was canceled despite fan campaigns to save it, it was retconned into being a part of the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}} Series/{{Arrowverse}} with John getting a guest appearance in an early episode of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' season 4.
25th Mar '17 1:47:15 PM QueenofSwords
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* BrokenBase: Pre-release, the show got a rather nasty one after it was said that John would not be bisexual in the show, as the creators deemed it unnecessary to his character. Unfortunately, they also added "And besides, he sleeps with mostly women anyways." While there are some who didn't care (citing how John's romantic partners tend to die in the comics, how he only ever slept with one man in the comics, or that they would judge the show when it came out and not before), a lot of viewers (particularly people who are LGBT themselves, or sympathetic/supportive towards such) were upset at the bi erasure. It doesn't help that bisexuality in particular, especially male bisexuals, are [[NoBisexuals largely ignored in media depictions]], and that LGBT characters in comic books rarely get adaptations, especially ones that retain their LGBT status if they do appear in adaptations. However, David Goyer was quick to note that they never said he wasn't bisexual, and as the series progressed, John was shown to flirt with several male characters.

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* BrokenBase: Pre-release, the show got a rather nasty one after it was said that John would not be bisexual in the show, as the creators deemed it unnecessary to his character. Unfortunately, they also added "And besides, he sleeps with mostly women anyways." While there are some who didn't care (citing how John's romantic partners tend to die in the comics, how he only ever slept with one man in the comics, or that they would judge the show when it came out and not before), a lot of viewers (particularly people who are LGBT themselves, or sympathetic/supportive towards such) were upset at the bi erasure. It doesn't help that bisexuality in particular, especially male bisexuals, are [[NoBisexuals largely ignored in media depictions]], and that LGBT characters in comic books rarely get adaptations, especially ones that retain their LGBT status if they do appear in adaptations. However, status. While David Goyer was quick to note that they never said he wasn't bisexual, and as the series progressed, [[ButNotTooBi John was shown to flirt never once shown]] hooking up with several male characters.men, only women.
4th Mar '17 6:58:30 AM ACW
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* [[{{Sadist}} Jacob Shaw]], from "[[Recap/ConstantineS1E11AWholeWorldOutThere A Whole World Out There]]", is a [[AxCrazy demented]] SerialKiller who evaded punishment after getting caught by transferring his mind from his body to a PocketDimension found during his occult studies, where he essentially became a god-like RealityWarper, able to live out his sick fantasies as much as he wanted. When a group of teenagers accidentally trespasses into his realm, he takes this as an opportunity to live out his sadistic pleasure even more. He starts hunting the teenagers in the real world by appearing on reflective surfaces, driving them nearly insane, and then brutally killing 3 out of 4 via [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling]], dismembering with a knife and suffocation. Afterwards, he keeps the souls of the deceased in his realm, where he keeps on [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing them]] and tells them that they will experience a never-ending circle of [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame getting hunted down and killed]] by him, all [[ForTheEvulz just because he enjoys it]].
* "[[NoNameGiven The Man]]", from "[[Recap/ConstantineS1E13WaitingForTheMan Waiting for the Man]]", is introduced as a [[HollywoodSatanism Satanic]] [[CorruptHick redneck]] who abducted three little girls. Said girls are almost mindlessly devoted to him; how that happened is not made clear, but it involves getting married to him, with a collar and bruise marks around each girl's necks. He sends them off to find another bride for him, and while waiting for them to return he brutally tortures and murders a bypassing, helpful man in a ritualistic way, for seemingly no other reason than being near him at the wrong time. Later, it is revealed that "The Man" murdered his real wife six years ago as a sacrifice for Satan and when John gets to his lair, he finds the aforementioned three girls [[WouldHurtAChild murdered in bed]], with the fourth girl only surviving because she ran away and was saved by John's crew in the nick of time. "The Man" is such a despicable individual that John and Jim Corrigan decide to outright [[PayEvilUntoEvil murder him]] instead of just having him face the law. What worse is that, unlike magic-empowered villains like Jacob Shaw, "The Man" is, aside from being a Satanist, [[{{Mundanger}} completely normal]].

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* ** [[{{Sadist}} Jacob Shaw]], from "[[Recap/ConstantineS1E11AWholeWorldOutThere A Whole World Out There]]", is a [[AxCrazy demented]] SerialKiller who evaded punishment after getting caught by transferring his mind from his body to a PocketDimension found during his occult studies, where he essentially became a god-like RealityWarper, able to live out his sick fantasies as much as he wanted. When a group of teenagers accidentally trespasses into his realm, he takes this as an opportunity to live out his sadistic pleasure even more. He starts hunting the teenagers in the real world by appearing on reflective surfaces, driving them nearly insane, and then brutally killing 3 out of 4 via [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling]], dismembering with a knife and suffocation. Afterwards, he keeps the souls of the deceased in his realm, where he keeps on [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing them]] and tells them that they will experience a never-ending circle of [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame getting hunted down and killed]] by him, all [[ForTheEvulz just because he enjoys it]].
* ** "[[NoNameGiven The Man]]", from "[[Recap/ConstantineS1E13WaitingForTheMan Waiting for the Man]]", is introduced as a [[HollywoodSatanism Satanic]] [[CorruptHick redneck]] who abducted three little girls. Said girls are almost mindlessly devoted to him; how that happened is not made clear, but it involves getting married to him, with a collar and bruise marks around each girl's necks. He sends them off to find another bride for him, and while waiting for them to return he brutally tortures and murders a bypassing, helpful man in a ritualistic way, for seemingly no other reason than being near him at the wrong time. Later, it is revealed that "The Man" murdered his real wife six years ago as a sacrifice for Satan and when John gets to his lair, he finds the aforementioned three girls [[WouldHurtAChild murdered in bed]], with the fourth girl only surviving because she ran away and was saved by John's crew in the nick of time. "The Man" is such a despicable individual that John and Jim Corrigan decide to outright [[PayEvilUntoEvil murder him]] instead of just having him face the law. What worse is that, unlike magic-empowered villains like Jacob Shaw, "The Man" is, aside from being a Satanist, [[{{Mundanger}} completely normal]].
4th Mar '17 6:57:47 AM ACW
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** [[{{Sadist}} Jacob Shaw]] from "A Whole World Out There" is a demented, AxCrazy SerialKiller who evaded punishment after getting caught by transferring his mind from his body to a PocketDimension found during his occult studies, where he essentially became a god-like RealityWarper, able to live out his sick fantasies as much as he wanted. When a group of teenagers accidentally trespasses into his realm, he takes this as an opportunity to live out his sadistic pleasure even more. He starts hunting the teenagers in the real world by appearing on reflective surfaces, driving them nearly insane, and then brutally killing 3 out of 4 via [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling]], dismembering with a knife and suffocation. Afterwards, he keeps the souls of the deceased in his realm, where he keeps on [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing them]] and tells them that they will experience a never-ending circle of [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame getting hunted down and killed]] by him, all [[ForTheEvulz just because he enjoys it]].
** "[[NoNameGiven The Man]]," from "Waiting for the Man," is introduced as a [[HollywoodSatanism Satanic]] [[CorruptHick redneck]] who abducted three little girls. Said girls are almost mindlessly devoted to him; how that happened is not made clear, but it involves getting married to him, with a collar and bruise marks around each girl's necks. He sends them off to find another bride for him, and while waiting for them to return he brutally tortures and murders a bypassing, helpful man in a ritualistic way, for seemingly no other reason than being near him at the wrong time. Later, it is revealed that "The Man" murdered his real wife six years ago as a sacrifice for Satan and when John gets to his lair, he finds the aforementioned three girls [[WouldHurtAChild murdered in bed]], with the fourth girl only surviving because she ran away and was saved by John's crew in the nick of time. "The Man" is such a despicable individual that John and Jim Corrigan decide to outright [[PayEvilUntoEvil murder him]] instead of just having him face the law. What worse is that, unlike magic-empowered villains like Jacob Shaw, "The Man" is, aside from being a Satanist, [[{{Mundanger}} completely normal]].

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** * [[{{Sadist}} Jacob Shaw]] Shaw]], from "A "[[Recap/ConstantineS1E11AWholeWorldOutThere A Whole World Out There" There]]", is a demented, AxCrazy [[AxCrazy demented]] SerialKiller who evaded punishment after getting caught by transferring his mind from his body to a PocketDimension found during his occult studies, where he essentially became a god-like RealityWarper, able to live out his sick fantasies as much as he wanted. When a group of teenagers accidentally trespasses into his realm, he takes this as an opportunity to live out his sadistic pleasure even more. He starts hunting the teenagers in the real world by appearing on reflective surfaces, driving them nearly insane, and then brutally killing 3 out of 4 via [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling]], dismembering with a knife and suffocation. Afterwards, he keeps the souls of the deceased in his realm, where he keeps on [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing them]] and tells them that they will experience a never-ending circle of [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame getting hunted down and killed]] by him, all [[ForTheEvulz just because he enjoys it]].
** * "[[NoNameGiven The Man]]," Man]]", from "Waiting "[[Recap/ConstantineS1E13WaitingForTheMan Waiting for the Man," Man]]", is introduced as a [[HollywoodSatanism Satanic]] [[CorruptHick redneck]] who abducted three little girls. Said girls are almost mindlessly devoted to him; how that happened is not made clear, but it involves getting married to him, with a collar and bruise marks around each girl's necks. He sends them off to find another bride for him, and while waiting for them to return he brutally tortures and murders a bypassing, helpful man in a ritualistic way, for seemingly no other reason than being near him at the wrong time. Later, it is revealed that "The Man" murdered his real wife six years ago as a sacrifice for Satan and when John gets to his lair, he finds the aforementioned three girls [[WouldHurtAChild murdered in bed]], with the fourth girl only surviving because she ran away and was saved by John's crew in the nick of time. "The Man" is such a despicable individual that John and Jim Corrigan decide to outright [[PayEvilUntoEvil murder him]] instead of just having him face the law. What worse is that, unlike magic-empowered villains like Jacob Shaw, "The Man" is, aside from being a Satanist, [[{{Mundanger}} completely normal]].
18th Feb '17 7:42:40 PM QueenofSwords
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* TheScrappy: When the pilot was leaked, multiple critics online didn't like Liv, which helped cause her being written out. The AV Club and IGN both felt that Liv's departure was ultimately for the better.

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* TheScrappy: When the pilot was leaked, multiple critics online didn't like Liv, which helped cause her being written out. The AV Club and IGN both felt that Liv's departure was ultimately for the better. Considering that she was replaced by Zed, so did many of the fans.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: It's obvious that the decision of Liv not staying on the show was made very late in production of the pilot, with all the backstory built up for her going to waste. The plot of at least the first season still depends upon her involvement as well, since Constantine is following the markings she left behind on the map. The producers' vagueness about why Liv was cut isn't helping.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: It's obvious that the decision of Liv not staying on the show was made very late in production of the pilot, with all the backstory built up for her going to waste. The plot of at least the first season still depends upon her involvement as well, since Constantine is following the markings she left behind on the map. The producers' vagueness about why Liv was cut isn't helping.
9th Feb '17 5:27:59 AM Nithael
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* SpiritualAdaptation: The movie could be argued as a better adaptation of TheDresdenFiles than Hellblazer.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: The movie could be argued as a better adaptation of TheDresdenFiles ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' than Hellblazer.''Hellblazer''.



* WTHCastingAgency: Dark haired American KeanuReeves as Constantine. Shia [=LeBeouf=] as... well, pretty much anyone might qualify, but playing a character who is normally John's contemporary (Chas) is a bit odd.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Dark haired American KeanuReeves Creator/KeanuReeves as Constantine. Shia [=LeBeouf=] as... well, pretty much anyone might qualify, but playing a character who is normally John's contemporary (Chas) is a bit odd.



* AuthorsSavingThrow: Although the show was canceled despite fan campaigns to save it, it was retconned into being a part of the {{Franchise/Arrowverse}} with John getting a guest appearance in an early episode of ''{{Series/Arrow}}'' season 4.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Although the show was canceled despite fan campaigns to save it, it was retconned into being a part of the {{Franchise/Arrowverse}} Franchise/{{Arrowverse}} with John getting a guest appearance in an early episode of ''{{Series/Arrow}}'' ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' season 4.



* BrokenBase: Pre-release, the show got a rather nasty one after it was said that John would not be bisexual in the show, as the creators deemed it unnecessary to his character. Unfortunately, they also added "And besides, he sleeps with mostly women anyways." While there are some who didn't care (citing how John's romantic partners tend to die in the comics, how he only ever slept with one man in the comics, or that they would judge the show when it came out and not before), a lot of viewers (particularly people who are LGBT themselves, or sympahetic/supportive towards such) were upset at the bi erasure. It doesn't help that bisexuality in particular, especially male bisexuals, are [[NoBisexuals largely ignored in media depictions]], and that LGBT characters in comic books rarely get adaptations, especially ones that retain their LGBT status if they do appear in adaptations. However, David Goyer was quick to note that they never said he wasn't bisexual, and as the series progressed, John was shown to flirt with several male characters.

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* BrokenBase: Pre-release, the show got a rather nasty one after it was said that John would not be bisexual in the show, as the creators deemed it unnecessary to his character. Unfortunately, they also added "And besides, he sleeps with mostly women anyways." While there are some who didn't care (citing how John's romantic partners tend to die in the comics, how he only ever slept with one man in the comics, or that they would judge the show when it came out and not before), a lot of viewers (particularly people who are LGBT themselves, or sympahetic/supportive sympathetic/supportive towards such) were upset at the bi erasure. It doesn't help that bisexuality in particular, especially male bisexuals, are [[NoBisexuals largely ignored in media depictions]], and that LGBT characters in comic books rarely get adaptations, especially ones that retain their LGBT status if they do appear in adaptations. However, David Goyer was quick to note that they never said he wasn't bisexual, and as the series progressed, John was shown to flirt with several male characters.



* HilariousInHindsight: In "The Devil's Vinyl," John uses loud punk music in headphones to drown out the mind-controlling audio that's causing people around him to fight to the death. And he gets the headphones knocked out, forcing him to start fighting. Cut to almost one year exactly after the episode airs, and the finale of [[Series/JessicaJones2015 Jessica Jones]] does all of those same things.

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* HilariousInHindsight: In "The Devil's Vinyl," John uses loud punk music in headphones to drown out the mind-controlling audio that's causing people around him to fight to the death. And he gets the headphones knocked out, forcing him to start fighting. Cut to almost one year exactly after the episode airs, and the finale of [[Series/JessicaJones2015 ''[[Series/JessicaJones2015 Jessica Jones]] Jones]]'' does all of those same things.



* OlderThanTheyThink: Some fans unfamiliar with the comics think Papa Midnite's "Ace of Winchesters" is a reference to Supernatural. In fact it is an artifact created in the comics, specifically as the main plot device between the Hellblazer/Hitman crossover Garth Ennis wrote.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: Some fans unfamiliar with the comics think Papa Midnite's "Ace of Winchesters" is a reference to Supernatural. ''Series/{{Supernatural}}''. In fact it is an artifact created in the comics, specifically as the main plot device between the Hellblazer/Hitman ''Hellblazer/Hitman'' crossover Garth Ennis wrote.



** Also, NBC's restriction against explicit smoking though John is famously a chain-smoker. The pilot tries to work around it like by showing only cigarettes being stubbed out.
*** NBC seems to have lightened up when it comes to this, as several episodes have explicitly shown John smoking.

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** Also, NBC's restriction against explicit smoking though John is famously a chain-smoker. The pilot tries to work around it like by showing only cigarettes being stubbed out.
*** NBC seems to have lightened up when it comes to this,
out. Later on this is completely dropped, as several episodes have explicitly shown John smoking.
8th Feb '17 5:50:17 PM ProfessorGrimm
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* CantUnhearIt: Creator/MattRyan has quickly become Constantine's de facto performer due to his charismatic performance. He has reprised his role as Constantine for all of the character's subsequent appearances with the children's series ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueAction'' so being the only exception.
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