History YMMV / ConanTheBarbarian1982

23rd Sep '17 4:44:53 PM moloch
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Although some parts might be regarded as {{Narm}} or {{Camp}} (largely due to the influence of the sequel and the ShallowParody of Schwarzenegger that ensued), at the time it was revolutionary both in its violence, and inits deliberately Nietzschean philosophical overtones about masculinity and power In a SwordAndSorcery/[[SwordAndSandal Sandal]] movie, too, which was usually the preserve of cheap schlock, and rapidly became so again.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Although some parts might be regarded as {{Narm}} or {{Camp}} (largely due to the influence of the sequel and the ShallowParody of Schwarzenegger that ensued), at the time it was revolutionary both in its violence, and inits in its deliberately Nietzschean philosophical overtones about masculinity and power In a SwordAndSorcery/[[SwordAndSandal Sandal]] movie, too, which was usually the preserve of cheap schlock, and rapidly became so again.
23rd Sep '17 4:43:59 PM moloch
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* CultClassic: An adaptation of

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* CultClassic: An adaptation of the TropeCodifier of SwordAndSorcery, with a notoriously renegade writer and director, starring a virtually unknown bodybuilder and Basil Podedouris' stunning score? That sharply divided critics immediately, but found a dedicated audience? Sounds like a Cult Classic, alright.
23rd Sep '17 4:36:21 PM moloch
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* AcceptableTargets: Obviously, New Age's religious cults, hippies and pacifists in general.

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* AcceptableTargets: Obviously, New Age's Age religious cults, hippies and pacifists in general.cults of the creepy variety. The film was made not long after the infamous Jonestown massacre.



* {{Anvilicious}}: According to [[http://www.overthinkingit.com/2011/08/10/conan-the-liberal/ this Overthinking It article]] the 1980s Conan movies have strong feminist, anti-racist and atheistic themes. Of course, the major screenwriter of the first film ''is'' Creator/OliverStone, which lends some credence to that. On the flip side of that coin, though, director and co-screenwriter Creator/JohnMilius self-identifies as conservative/libertarian in his personal views, Conan himself is a fiercely independent warrior who eventually becomes a king on his own steam, and the film explicitly shows Conan praying to Crom (albeit in a backhanded fashion) and that there is an afterlife when [[spoiler:Valeria briefly comes BackFromTheDead.]]
** This is a possible case of TruerToTheText: In the original Conan stories by Robert Howard [[ValuesDissonance there are some problems with the treatment of women and non-whites]] yet there also [[FairForItsDay surprisingly positive portrayals as well]]. On the subject of theism and atheism; Conan did revere gods, chief among them Crom, in Robert Howard's stories but considered it best not to draw their attention, coming across as spiritual and acknowledging gods but not religious.
** Also, how the Children of Doom are portrayed--particularly in their introduction--could easily be seen as a major TakeThat to hippies of TheSixties.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: According to [[http://www.overthinkingit.com/2011/08/10/conan-the-liberal/ this Overthinking It article]] the 1980s Conan movies have strong feminist, anti-racist and atheistic themes. Of course, the major screenwriter of the first film ''is'' Creator/OliverStone, which lends some credence to that. On the flip side of that coin, though, director and co-screenwriter Creator/JohnMilius self-identifies as (a highly idiosyncratic) conservative/libertarian in his personal views, Conan himself is a fiercely independent warrior who eventually becomes a king on his own steam, and the film explicitly shows Conan praying to Crom (albeit in a backhanded fashion) and that there is an afterlife when [[spoiler:Valeria briefly comes BackFromTheDead.]]
** This is a possible case of TruerToTheText: In the original Conan stories by Robert Howard [[ValuesDissonance there are some problems with the treatment of women and non-whites]] yet there also [[FairForItsDay surprisingly positive portrayals as well]]. On the subject of theism and atheism; Conan did revere gods, chief among them Crom, in Robert Howard's stories but considered it best not to draw their attention, coming across as spiritual and acknowledging gods but not religious.
** Also, how the Children of Doom are portrayed--particularly
religious (we'd probably call him a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolatrism monolatrist]] in their introduction--could easily be seen as a major TakeThat to hippies of TheSixties.technical terms).



* CultClassic: The film was cultic in due time because of its extreme masculinity and shocking for that time of violence. He can also be like that now, if you are a fan of Arnold and bodybuilding.
* GatewaySeries: Although the film is associated with bodybuilding only indirectly, at one time it became a huge advertisement for this type of sport and Arnold in particular. Most people who started to pump muscles under the impression of his acting career, most likely will say that they did it under the impression of this film.

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* CultClassic: The film was cultic in due time because of its extreme masculinity and shocking for that time of violence. He can also be like that now, if you are a fan of Arnold and bodybuilding.
An adaptation of
* GatewaySeries: Although the film is associated with bodybuilding only indirectly, at one time it became a huge advertisement for this type of sport and Arnold in particular. Most people who started to pump muscles under the impression of his acting career, most likely will say as Schwarzenegger's big movie break (along with ''Film/TheTerminator'', but that they did didn't [[WalkingShirtlessScene show his physique off so much]]) it under drew a lot of attention to the impression of this film.bodybuilding scene, and many called it the film that sparked widespread interest in it in TheEighties.



** Prologue Mako is so epic that it was later copied many times and parodied in other films.

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** Prologue Mako Mako's prologue is so epic that it was later copied many times and parodied in other films.films. Even the pronunciation of Conan's name counts - Howard just pronounced it "Con'n" like Conan O'Brien. Mako's stentorious CO-NAN! means many still pronounce it that way.



** This strange scene, where the priest examines Conon's chest with the words "you have a beautiful body, you should not be afraid to show it!"
** And so, we have a scene of orgies, where the approximate ministers of the cult are making love and eating with human meat. But where are the two main assistants of Tulsa Doom? When the battle begins, they appear together and half-dressed...

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** This strange scene, The scene where the priest examines Conon's chest Conan's chest, with the words "you have a beautiful body, you should not be afraid to show it!"
it!" just drips with homoerotic undertones.
** And so, we have a scene of orgies, The orgy scene, where the approximate ministers of the cult are making love and eating with human meat. But where are the two main assistants lieutenants of Tulsa Thulsa Doom? When the battle begins, they appear together together, and half-dressed...



* NightmareFuel: Although the film itself may seem amusing in our time, his hints of cultist cannibalism are still quite oppressive.

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* NightmareFuel: Although Basil Poledouris' score lends scenes that could be incredibly {{Narm}}y the film itself may seem amusing in our time, his hints feel of cultist cannibalism a nightmare. Especially the revelation that the cult are still quite oppressive.cannibals, and Thulsa Doom's transformation into a snake.



* SignatureScene: Many, but mostly monologues of Conan's father and Tulsa Doom about steel and power and the orgy scene together with the kitchen of cannibals.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Although now the film can have a lot of NarmCharm or even seem StealthParody on old fantasy films, at one time it was so shocking and revolutionary in its masculinity that it became almost a revelation for the then teenagers and boys. Now, after more than 20 years and after several generations of various horror and action films, it's very difficult to believe that when the film was considered to be extremely cruel or even "fascist".

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* SignatureScene: Many, but mostly monologues of Conan's father and Tulsa Doom father's monologue about steel the Riddle of Steel, and later Thulsa Doom's monologue about the Riddle, power and how he "made" Conan. Also the cannibalistic orgy scene together with the kitchen of cannibals.
scene, where Doom slowly transforms into a snake to Poledouris' nightmare score.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Although now some parts might be regarded as {{Narm}} or {{Camp}} (largely due to the film can have a lot influence of NarmCharm or even seem StealthParody on old fantasy films, the sequel and the ShallowParody of Schwarzenegger that ensued), at one the time it was so shocking and revolutionary both in its violence, and inits deliberately Nietzschean philosophical overtones about masculinity that it and power In a SwordAndSorcery/[[SwordAndSandal Sandal]] movie, too, which was usually the preserve of cheap schlock, and rapidly became almost a revelation for the then teenagers and boys. Now, after more than 20 years and after several generations of various horror and action films, it's very difficult to believe that when the film was considered to be extremely cruel or even "fascist".so again.
18th Sep '17 7:38:27 AM darthpaul
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* {{Narm}}: Conan's grunts of pain doesn't sound very convincing.

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* {{Narm}}: Conan's grunts of pain doesn't don't sound very convincing. This is most noticeable during his very first gladiator fight.
16th Jul '17 10:42:52 AM LittleBuster
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* GatewaySeries: Although the film is associated with bodybuilding only indirectly, at one time it became a huge advertisement for this type of sport and Arnold in particular. Most people who started to pump muscles under the impression of his acting career, most likely will say that they did it under the impression of this film.
16th Jul '17 10:38:23 AM LittleBuster
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* CultClassic: The film was cultic in due time because of its extreme masculinity and shocking for that time of violence. He can also be like that now, if you are a fan of Arnold and bodybuilding.


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* NightmareFuel: Although the film itself may seem amusing in our time, his hints of cultist cannibalism are still quite oppressive.


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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Although now the film can have a lot of NarmCharm or even seem StealthParody on old fantasy films, at one time it was so shocking and revolutionary in its masculinity that it became almost a revelation for the then teenagers and boys. Now, after more than 20 years and after several generations of various horror and action films, it's very difficult to believe that when the film was considered to be extremely cruel or even "fascist".
16th Jul '17 10:27:56 AM LittleBuster
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* AcceptableTargets: Obviously, New Age's religious cults, hippies and pacifists in general.
16th Jul '17 10:20:00 AM LittleBuster
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** If not Film/Terminator, then for many people Arnold would forever remain Conan.

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** If not Film/Terminator, Film/{{Terminator}}, then for many people Arnold would forever remain Conan.
16th Jul '17 10:19:05 AM LittleBuster
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* GeniuPBonus: They actually got Turko-Mongol paganism right when they had Subotai (Hyrkanian, basically the Hyborian equivalent of Mongols and Turks) proclaim that he worshiped the Everlasting Sky. In Turko-Mongol paganism, the most important god is Tengri - Lord of the Eternal Blue Sky. In fact, it's more accurate to actual pre-Islamic Turkic beliefs than the original Howard stories were, where the Hyrkanians worship ''Erlik'', who in actual Turkic paganism, is an evil demon and the primary adversary of Tengri.

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* GeniuPBonus: GeniusBonus: They actually got Turko-Mongol paganism right when they had Subotai (Hyrkanian, basically the Hyborian equivalent of Mongols and Turks) proclaim that he worshiped the Everlasting Sky. In Turko-Mongol paganism, the most important god is Tengri - Lord of the Eternal Blue Sky. In fact, it's more accurate to actual pre-Islamic Turkic beliefs than the original Howard stories were, where the Hyrkanians worship ''Erlik'', who in actual Turkic paganism, is an evil demon and the primary adversary of Tengri.
16th Jul '17 10:17:33 AM LittleBuster
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* MemeticMutation: Even people who haven't seen the movie can quote the "what is best in life?" scene (although the original is attributed to the real UsefulNotes/GenghisKhan, an expy of which is in the scene).
* GeniusBonus: They actually got Turko-Mongol paganism right when they had Subotai (Hyrkanian, basically the Hyborian equivalent of Mongols and Turks) proclaim that he worshiped the Everlasting Sky. In Turko-Mongol paganism, the most important god is Tengri - Lord of the Eternal Blue Sky. In fact, it's more accurate to actual pre-Islamic Turkic beliefs than the original Howard stories were, where the Hyrkanians worship ''Erlik'', who in actual Turkic paganism, is an evil demon and the primary adversary of Tengri.

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* MemeticMutation: MemeticMutation:
** If not Film/Terminator, then for many people Arnold would forever remain Conan.
**
Even people who haven't seen the movie can quote the "what is best in life?" scene (although the original is attributed to the real UsefulNotes/GenghisKhan, an expy of which is in the scene).
** Prologue Mako is so epic that it was later copied many times and parodied in other films.
* GeniusBonus: GeniuPBonus: They actually got Turko-Mongol paganism right when they had Subotai (Hyrkanian, basically the Hyborian equivalent of Mongols and Turks) proclaim that he worshiped the Everlasting Sky. In Turko-Mongol paganism, the most important god is Tengri - Lord of the Eternal Blue Sky. In fact, it's more accurate to actual pre-Islamic Turkic beliefs than the original Howard stories were, where the Hyrkanians worship ''Erlik'', who in actual Turkic paganism, is an evil demon and the primary adversary of Tengri.Tengri.
* HoYay:
** This strange scene, where the priest examines Conon's chest with the words "you have a beautiful body, you should not be afraid to show it!"
** And so, we have a scene of orgies, where the approximate ministers of the cult are making love and eating with human meat. But where are the two main assistants of Tulsa Doom? When the battle begins, they appear together and half-dressed...


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* SignatureScene: Many, but mostly monologues of Conan's father and Tulsa Doom about steel and power and the orgy scene together with the kitchen of cannibals.
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