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15th May '16 3:49:11 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* RonTheDeathEater: Happens unfortunately often. Both sides would get it in the books supporting the other, but Iron Man got it particularly bad.
-->'''[[Website/{{Cracked}} 5 Superheroes Rendered Ridiculous By Gritty Reboots]]''': Stark's political arc hit a fever pitch in the Marvel crossover event Civil War, which involved a new law that required superheroes to register themselves, including their secret identities, or face the consequences. Iron Man, not content with the level of dickishness inherent to being born into wealth, decided to head up the task force charged with apprehending superheroes who refused to reveal their secret identities--willingly. He chased down his former friends and tried to arrest them on the grounds that they were bad for America even if the guy he was arresting was, for example, Captain America. But he didn't do it alone, he created and hired The Thunderbolts, a group that was exclusively made up of supervillains that lived in a hollowed out mountain with their own personal army. And since that wasn't nearly insane enough, he made Norman Osborn (the Green Goblin) their overseer. It went about as well as you would expect.\\
It gets worse. Once Tony and his army of hired supervillains rounded the heroes up, guess where he put them. Prison? No. Protection? Nope. He permanently interred them in an extra-dimensional concentration camp in "The Negative Zone," a dimension of infinite evil revolving around the Giant Vortex of Doom. No trial, no bail, no chance of ever leaving, which makes Iron Man sort of like Hitler, but in a giant metal suit.\\
And this comic was done because the old Iron Man was so ''bland'' and ''boring'' and, apparently, ''un-Hitler-like''.
11th May '16 10:00:16 AM KlawKalash
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* LogicalFallacies: One of the tie-ins involved Sally Floyd asking if ComicBook/CaptainAmerica followed NASCAR, had a MySpace page, or watched ''Series/AmericanIdol''. He responds by saying no. Floyd then accuses Captain America of being out of touch with modern America. and he is stunned into silence. First of all, this carries UnfortunateImplications that American culture consists solely of race cars (mostly popular in just the Southern states), an online community (mostly popular amongst teens), and a TV show (based on a ''British'' show). Secondly, no one would be asinine enough to tell a politician that he or she was out of touch with America for not having a MySpace page, so why would it matter to Captain America? Finally, considering Cap is a SuperHero, one would assume that he is [[CallToAdventure too busy saving the world]] to bother watching ''American Idol'' every night.

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* LogicalFallacies: One of the tie-ins involved Sally Floyd asking if ComicBook/CaptainAmerica followed NASCAR, had a MySpace page, or watched ''Series/AmericanIdol''. He responds by saying no. Floyd then accuses Captain America of being out of touch with modern America. America and he is stunned into silence. First of all, this carries UnfortunateImplications that American culture consists solely of race cars (mostly popular in just the Southern states), an online community (mostly popular amongst teens), and a TV show (based on a ''British'' show). Secondly, no one would be asinine enough to tell a politician that he or she was out of touch with America for not having a MySpace page, so why would it matter to Captain America? Finally, considering Cap is a SuperHero, one would assume that he is [[CallToAdventure too busy saving the world]] to bother watching ''American Idol'' every night.
11th May '16 4:40:52 AM KlawKalash
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Like [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk two other]] [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen crisis crossovers]] that would later followed, this story focuses on superheroes fighting each others rather than supervillains. Some characters act seriously against their established characterizations. It's pointed out ''inside the story'' by Doctor Strange that nobody really is right or wrong in this, meaning it can be hard to decide who to root for. And finally, it ends on a rather dark note, with [[spoiler:''[[TheParagon Captain America]]'' being arrested and assassinated while anti-registration superheroes ''still'' are operating against the law, giving you the impression nothing really was accomplished]]. You could be excused to stop caring in these conditions.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Like [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk two other]] [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen crisis crossovers]] that would later followed, follow, this story focuses on superheroes fighting each others rather than supervillains. Some characters act seriously against their established characterizations. It's pointed out ''inside the story'' by Doctor Strange that nobody really is right or wrong in this, meaning it can be hard to decide who to root for. And finally, it ends on a rather dark note, with [[spoiler:''[[TheParagon Captain America]]'' being arrested and assassinated while anti-registration superheroes ''still'' are operating against the law, giving you the impression nothing really was accomplished]]. You could be excused to stop caring in these conditions.
29th Apr '16 7:06:36 PM KingClark
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* BizarroEpisode: In one of the crossover comic books, Comicbook/HowardTheDuck tries to register. Not because he supports the law, but simply because he's too poor and cowardly to be running away from Iron Man and simply wants to avoid trouble. But he got into the wrong waiting line and wound up renewing his driver's license instead. When he found the actual place for registering, he was rejected--SHIELD is so tired of receiving reports about "the duck man from Cleveland" (the duck man driving a taxi, the duck man insulting hot dog stands, the duck man painting graffiti in bus stops, etc), that they made it an official policy that he does not exist, and all the reports are dismissed. He yelled that they can not turn him into an UnPerson just like that.
-->'''Agent:''' Of course you are an unperson. '''You're a duck.'''
** Which he instantly takes advantage of when he leaves the registration office because now, as an UnPerson, he is no longer legally required to vote or sit on a jury.

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* BetterThanCanon: Most adaptations of the story are regarded as being vastly better than the source material--particularly, the direct adaptation ''VideoGame/MarvelUltimateAlliance 2'' and the PragmaticAdaptation ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''.
* BizarroEpisode: In one of the crossover comic books, Comicbook/HowardTheDuck tries to register. Not because he supports the law, but simply because he's too poor and cowardly to be running away from Iron Man and simply wants to avoid trouble. But he got into the wrong waiting line and wound up renewing his driver's license instead. When he found the actual place for registering, he was rejected--SHIELD rejected--S.H.I.E.L.D. is so tired of receiving reports about "the duck man from Cleveland" (the duck man driving a taxi, the duck man insulting hot dog stands, the duck man painting graffiti in bus stops, etc), that they made it an official policy that he does not exist, and all the reports are dismissed. He yelled that they can not turn him into an UnPerson just like that.
-->'''Agent:''' Of course you are an unperson. '''You're
that. Then the officer tells him they ''can'' because he's a duck.'''
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duck... Which he instantly takes advantage of when he leaves the registration office because now, as an UnPerson, he is no longer legally required to vote or sit on a jury.
24th Apr '16 9:19:10 PM KingClark
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Like [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk two other]] [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen crisis crossovers]] that would later followed, this story focuses on superheroes fighting each others rather than supervillains. Some characters act seriously against their established characterizations. It's pointed out ''inside the story'' by Dr Strange that nobody really is right or wrong in this, meaning it can be hard to decide who to root for. And finally, it ends on a rather dark note, with [[spoiler:''[[TheParagon Captain America]]'' being arrested and assassinated while anti-registration superheroes ''still'' are operating against the law, giving you the impression nothing really was accomplished]]. You could be excused to stop caring in these conditions.
* DesignatedHero and DesignatedVillain: ComicBook/IronMan and ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, respectively. Even then, in any given comic, which character is presented as being "right" [[DependingOnTheWriter depends completely on who's writing]]. In fact, near the end of the story, Dr. Strange even mentioned that he couldn't step in because there really WASN'T a clear good and evil team.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Like [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk two other]] [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen crisis crossovers]] that would later followed, this story focuses on superheroes fighting each others rather than supervillains. Some characters act seriously against their established characterizations. It's pointed out ''inside the story'' by Dr Doctor Strange that nobody really is right or wrong in this, meaning it can be hard to decide who to root for. And finally, it ends on a rather dark note, with [[spoiler:''[[TheParagon Captain America]]'' being arrested and assassinated while anti-registration superheroes ''still'' are operating against the law, giving you the impression nothing really was accomplished]]. You could be excused to stop caring in these conditions.
* DesignatedHero and DesignatedVillain: ComicBook/IronMan and ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, respectively. Even then, in any given comic, which character is presented as being "right" [[DependingOnTheWriter depends completely on who's writing]]. In fact, near the end of the story, Dr. Doctor Strange even mentioned that he couldn't step in because there really WASN'T '''wasn[='=]t''' a clear good and evil team.
24th Apr '16 9:16:03 PM KingClark
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* DesignatedHero and DesignatedVillain: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and ComicBook/IronMan. Even now, in any given comic, which was which [[DependingOnTheWriter depends completely on who's writing]]. In fact, near the end of the story, Dr. Strange even mentioned that he couldn't step in because there really WASN'T a clear good and evil team.
* DorkAge: Some felt Marvel would be better off disavowing the whole "fiasco". It finally happened after ''Dark Reign'', and which led to the abolishment of the Registration Act.

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* DesignatedHero and DesignatedVillain: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica ComicBook/IronMan and ComicBook/IronMan. ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, respectively. Even now, then, in any given comic, which was which character is presented as being "right" [[DependingOnTheWriter depends completely on who's writing]]. In fact, near the end of the story, Dr. Strange even mentioned that he couldn't step in because there really WASN'T a clear good and evil team.
* DorkAge: Some felt Marvel would be better off disavowing this story and undoing the whole "fiasco".big changes made by it. It finally happened after ''Dark Reign'', and which led to the abolishment of the Registration Act.
28th Feb '16 7:24:20 PM nombretomado
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* LogicalFallacies: One of the tie-ins involved Sally Floyd asking if CaptainAmerica followed NASCAR, had a MySpace page, or watched ''Series/AmericanIdol''. He responds by saying no. Floyd then accuses Captain America of being out of touch with modern America. and he is stunned into silence. First of all, this carries UnfortunateImplications that American culture consists solely of race cars (mostly popular in just the Southern states), an online community (mostly popular amongst teens), and a TV show (based on a ''British'' show). Secondly, no one would be asinine enough to tell a politician that he or she was out of touch with America for not having a MySpace page, so why would it matter to Captain America? Finally, considering Cap is a SuperHero, one would assume that he is [[CallToAdventure too busy saving the world]] to bother watching ''American Idol'' every night.

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* LogicalFallacies: One of the tie-ins involved Sally Floyd asking if CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica followed NASCAR, had a MySpace page, or watched ''Series/AmericanIdol''. He responds by saying no. Floyd then accuses Captain America of being out of touch with modern America. and he is stunned into silence. First of all, this carries UnfortunateImplications that American culture consists solely of race cars (mostly popular in just the Southern states), an online community (mostly popular amongst teens), and a TV show (based on a ''British'' show). Secondly, no one would be asinine enough to tell a politician that he or she was out of touch with America for not having a MySpace page, so why would it matter to Captain America? Finally, considering Cap is a SuperHero, one would assume that he is [[CallToAdventure too busy saving the world]] to bother watching ''American Idol'' every night.



** It was supposed to be a nuanced exploration of whether or not [[SuperRegistrationAct compulsory registration for superheroes]] was necessary to curb catastrophic mistakes and potential abuses of power. ''Both sides'' were supposed to have valid points (but supposedly supporting the Pro-Registration overall). Unfortunately, due to insufficient coordination between the writing teams of different books (as well as a ''serious'' difference in the skills of the writing teams--the anti-reg side got '''Creator/JMichaelStraczynski'''), Creator/MarkMillar failed at making readers sympathize with the pro-registration side, and both sides ended up looking like straw men, with the pro-registration side looking particularly monstrous. For starters, the SHRA criminalized the act of apprehending a criminal when you yourself are an average citizen, as well as SHIELD trying to arrest CaptainAmerica for refusing to join the pro-reg side and enforce the law, ''before'' it was actually signed into law. To make matters worse, the actual specifics of registration [[DependingOnTheWriter varied from book to book]]:

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** It was supposed to be a nuanced exploration of whether or not [[SuperRegistrationAct compulsory registration for superheroes]] was necessary to curb catastrophic mistakes and potential abuses of power. ''Both sides'' were supposed to have valid points (but supposedly supporting the Pro-Registration overall). Unfortunately, due to insufficient coordination between the writing teams of different books (as well as a ''serious'' difference in the skills of the writing teams--the anti-reg side got '''Creator/JMichaelStraczynski'''), Creator/MarkMillar failed at making readers sympathize with the pro-registration side, and both sides ended up looking like straw men, with the pro-registration side looking particularly monstrous. For starters, the SHRA criminalized the act of apprehending a criminal when you yourself are an average citizen, as well as SHIELD trying to arrest CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica for refusing to join the pro-reg side and enforce the law, ''before'' it was actually signed into law. To make matters worse, the actual specifics of registration [[DependingOnTheWriter varied from book to book]]:
27th Jan '16 10:19:52 AM CharlesPhipps
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: All over the place. One humorous one is that Captain America isn't shamed into silence by Sally Floyd's interview but simply too stunned by how stupid she's sounding to respond.
25th Jan '16 5:20:14 AM PsychoGecko
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** Sally Floyd's supposedly ArmorPiercingQuestion "What is MySpace?" would be just as baffling to most people in the U.S. today.
3rd Nov '15 8:43:56 PM nombretomado
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* OneSceneWonder: The crossover generated a big upswing in interest in [[IncredibleHercules Hercules]] (kicking off what would turn out to be a few very good years for him), in a series of moments that amount to about six pages.

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* OneSceneWonder: The crossover generated a big upswing in interest in [[IncredibleHercules [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]] (kicking off what would turn out to be a few very good years for him), in a series of moments that amount to about six pages.
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