History YMMV / CircleOfMagic

16th Sep '17 3:18:18 PM SS13
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** During the final battle in ''"The Will of the Empress"'', [[WorthyOpponent Ishabal Ladyhammer]] taunts Sandry, Briar and Daja with "You cannot be so foolish as to think the powers of the world might allow you to pursue your own selfish desires all your days. Wake up, children. It is time to learn to live in the real world". The characters are not inclined to listen (especially as she is the one who [[spoiler: cursed Tris]] and dismiss her as haughty, [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers too cynical]] and ignorant of PowerOfFriendship, and narratively, [[spoiler: them subsequently beating Ishabal and (temporarily) depowering her]] seems to prove them right, painting her as a classical ThisCannotBe villain. But ultimately her taunting is correct: no matter how powerful the Circle is, they cannot take on the whole Namorn Empire. Sandry [[spoiler: being forced to sign over her lands, thus guaranteeing that the money from them stays in Namorn]] is indicative of this.
15th Sep '17 3:31:48 PM SS13
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** Dimiter fer Holm, a noble who first attempts to force Sandry into marriage during ''"Will of the Empress"''. He is a horrible person and a sore loser, but when he points out that the great mages at the Empress' court could easily bind Sandry's magic powers, he is right. [[spoiler: Two of them succeed at it during two separate abduction attempts, and in both cases (especially the first one) Sandry needs her friends' help to escape]]


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*VillainHasAPoint: Dimiter fer Holm, a noble who first attempts to force Sandry into marriage during ''"Will of the Empress"''. He is a horrible person and a sore loser, but when he points out that the great mages at the Empress' court could easily bind Sandry's magic powers, he is right. [[spoiler: Two of them succeed at it during two separate abduction attempts, and in both cases (especially the first one) Sandry needs her friends' help to escape]]
10th Sep '17 7:17:44 AM SS13
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** Dimiter fer Holm, a noble who first attempts to force Sandry into marriage during ""'Will of the Empress'"". He is a horrible person and a sore loser, but when he points out that the great mages at the Empress' court could easily bind Sandry's magic powers, he is right. [[spoiler: two of them succeed in it during two separate abduction attempts, and in both cases Sandry's friends have to rescue her / undo the spell sedating her]]

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** Dimiter fer Holm, a noble who first attempts to force Sandry into marriage during ""'Will ''"Will of the Empress'"".Empress"''. He is a horrible person and a sore loser, but when he points out that the great mages at the Empress' court could easily bind Sandry's magic powers, he is right. [[spoiler: two Two of them succeed in at it during two separate abduction attempts, and in both cases Sandry's friends have to rescue (especially the first one) Sandry needs her / undo the spell sedating her]] friends' help to escape]]
9th Sep '17 7:00:20 AM SS13
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** Dimiter fer Holm, a noble who first attempts to force Sandry into marriage during ""'Will of the Empress'"". He is a horrible person and a sore loser, but when he points out that the great mages at the Empress' court could easily bind Sandry's magic powers, he is right. [[spoiler: two of them succeed in it during two separate abduction attempts, and in both cases Sandry's friends have to rescue her / undo the spell sedating her]]


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** Tris thinking that monarchy is preferably to any other forms of leadership in ''"Shatterglass"''. Granted, the only alternative she knows of is a "democracy" where only rich people have a say, bit still.
8th Apr '17 4:03:23 AM Silverblade2
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*** In a later scene Alzena mentions that she'd had qualms about killing the children once, but with the unmagic eating away at her ability to care, all that was left was some satisfaction at a completed job.
9th Jul '16 7:47:00 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Evvy, sort of. While she remains a popular character, fans are also getting a bit restless about her being a SpotlightStealingSquad and apparently the only one of the four students from the Opens series that Pierce has any interest in exploring further, to the point that she has her own first person narrated book, the only one the author has ''ever'' done.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Evvy, sort of. While she remains a popular character, fans are also getting a bit restless about her being a SpotlightStealingSquad and apparently the only one of the four students from the Opens series that Pierce has any interest in exploring further, to the point that she has her own first person narrated book, the only one the author has ''ever'' done.
29th Jun '16 5:22:27 AM eowynjedi
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* WhatAnIdiot: Okay, Jak, you want to tell Sandry how truly sorry you are for her mistreatment at the hands of your countrymen and how you so very much disagree with the abduction-marriage tradition. Drawing your sword to ''force'' your way into the house very shortly after she's just escaped from one such attempt is, perhaps, not the best gesture of good faith?

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* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot:
** Granted, she was in the midst of her FirstLove ''and'' the realization of her sexuality, but Daja expecting Rizu to drop her high-status position in the court of an Empress she feels a deep personal sense of love and gratitude towards, for a person she's known for about a month, is pretty silly.
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Okay, Jak, you want to tell Sandry how truly sorry you are for her mistreatment at the hands of your countrymen and how you so very much disagree with the abduction-marriage tradition. Drawing your sword to ''force'' your way into the house very shortly after she's just escaped from one such attempt is, perhaps, not the best gesture of good faith?
15th Mar '16 5:14:30 PM Pren
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** At the end of ''Battle Magic'' it's explained that Briar, Evvy, and Rosethorn will forget everything about the gods as part of the magical protection around the area. It feels exactly like Pierce reached this point and then suddenly realized how weird it would retroactively make the previous two books for that stuff to never be mentioned, so she spent a couple minutes coming up with an explanation to throw in. And not helping is that she'd already done the ''exact same thing'' in the Tortall series' own prequel story ''Mastiff''.
5th Mar '16 8:47:05 AM Pren
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** ''Battle Magic'' also has some controversy over the far more prominent role played by gods and spirits, which many fans accuse of clashing with the setting as portrayed up until then, and feeling more like something that belongs in the Tortall series. Some of them also call UnfortunateImplications on this increased exoticism being played in an analogue to southeast Asian countries.
2nd Mar '16 12:26:15 PM Pren
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** In ''Battle Magic'', Briar's face is described as turning "the color of cheese." Um, you might want to be more specific there.
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