History YMMV / ChasingAmy

8th Feb '17 3:39:45 PM Bartzv
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Getting angry at your partner about their sexual past just because that past makes you feel sexually inadequate, and expecting them to love you on your terms, is petty; and can destroy an otherwise good relationship if you don't deal with it the right way.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Getting angry at Expecting your partner about to love you on your terms and then getting angry at them because their sexual past just because that past doesn't live up to those terms (and makes you feel sexually inadequate, and expecting them to love you on your terms, inadequate) is petty; petty, and can destroy an otherwise good relationship if you don't deal with it the right way.correctly.
30th Jan '17 7:45:08 PM Nire
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** As pointed out by [[WebVideo/NeedsMoreGay Rantasmo]], Holden is good friends with Hooper - a gay man. Yet he still needs Alyssa to explain the hows and whys of lesbianism to him. Did he never talk to Hooper about what it's like to be gay? In-story, it's possibly because this is the first time he's felt ''directly'' affected by the topic of homosexuality, but it's still weird.

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** As pointed out by [[WebVideo/NeedsMoreGay Rantasmo]], Holden is good friends with Hooper - a gay man. Yet he still needs Alyssa to explain the hows and whys of lesbianism to him.explain, as he puts it, "Why girls?". Did he never talk to Hooper about what it's like to be gay? In-story, it's possibly because this is the first time he's felt ''directly'' affected by the topic of homosexuality, but it's still weird.
30th Jan '17 7:44:12 PM Nire
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** As pointed out by [[WebVideo/NeedsMoreGay Rantasmo]], Holden is good friends with Hooper - a gay man. Yet he still needs Alyssa to explain the hows and whys of lesbianism to him. In-story, it's probably because this is the first time he's felt directly affected by the topic of homosexuality, but it's still weird.

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** As pointed out by [[WebVideo/NeedsMoreGay Rantasmo]], Holden is good friends with Hooper - a gay man. Yet he still needs Alyssa to explain the hows and whys of lesbianism to him. Did he never talk to Hooper about what it's like to be gay? In-story, it's probably possibly because this is the first time he's felt directly ''directly'' affected by the topic of homosexuality, but it's still weird.
30th Jan '17 7:42:39 PM Nire
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** As pointed out by [[WebVideo/NeedsMoreGay Rantasmo]], Holden is good friends with Hooper - a gay man. Yet he still needs Alyssa to explain the hows and whys of lesbianism to him. In-story, it's probably because this is the first time he's felt directly affected by the topic of homosexuality, but it's still weird.
30th Jan '17 7:37:44 PM Nire
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* FairForItsDay: The film has seen much flack in TheNewTens for its "stereotypical" depiction of lesbian characters and narrow-minded view of homosexuality, especially since it's yet another depiction of the homosexual experience through the eyes of a storyteller who isn't homosexual.[[note]]There's also a long-standing (yet unconfirmed) rumor that Smith based the story at least partially on a producer he knew who had a crush on a lesbian colleague, which would make the final film an unintentionally wish-fulfillment fantasy.[[/note]] It's important to remember that, for 1997, this was borderline revolutionary in its ernest depiction of homosexual characters, something that's sadly still rare enough to bare mentioning. It also sheds some much-needed light on the concept of bisexuality and general non-binary sexuality. [[spoiler:The fact that the ending is rather ambiguous has hurt its reputation a bit, and non-fans are quick to point out that Smith, despite his noble efforts, otherwise screwed up the film's ultimate message.]]

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* FairForItsDay: The film has seen much flack in TheNewTens for its "stereotypical" depiction of lesbian characters and narrow-minded view of homosexuality, especially since it's yet another depiction of the homosexual experience through the eyes of a storyteller who isn't homosexual.[[note]]There's also a long-standing (yet unconfirmed) rumor that Smith based the story at least partially on a producer he knew who had a crush on a lesbian colleague, which would make the final film an unintentionally wish-fulfillment fantasy.[[/note]] It's important to remember that, for 1997, this was borderline revolutionary in its ernest depiction of homosexual characters, something that's sadly still rare enough to bare bear mentioning. It also sheds some much-needed light on the concept of bisexuality and general non-binary sexuality. [[spoiler:The fact that the ending is rather ambiguous has hurt its reputation a bit, and non-fans are quick to point out that Smith, despite his noble efforts, otherwise screwed up the film's ultimate message.]]
7th Jan '17 12:01:18 PM NWolfman
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* SocietyMarchesOn: While the depictions of queer sexuality are up for debate on their fairness, the scene of Alyssa playing the "pronoun game" by using gender-neutral pronouns rules out the possibility that she's referring to someone who's non-binary, a concept practically unheard of by the general public in 1997. Granted, genderqueerness is never even brought up in this movie.
7th Jan '17 11:34:45 AM NWolfman
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* FairForItsDay: The film has seen much flack in TheNewTens for its "stereotypical" depiction of lesbian characters and narrow-minded view of homosexuality, especially since it's yet another depiction of the homosexual experience through the eyes of a storyteller who isn't homosexual.[[note]]There's also a long-standing (yet unconfirmed) rumor that Smith based the story at least partially on a producer he knew who had a crush on a lesbian colleague, which would make the final film an unintentionally wish-fulfillment fantasy.[[/note]] It's important to remember that, for 1997, this was borderline revolutionary in its ernest depiction of homosexual characters, something that's sadly still rare enough to bare mentioning. It also sheds some much-needed light on the concept of bisexuality. [[spoiler:The fact that the ending is rather ambiguous has hurt its reputation a bit, and non-fans are quick to point out that Smith, despite his noble efforts, otherwise screwed up the film's ultimate message.]]

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* FairForItsDay: The film has seen much flack in TheNewTens for its "stereotypical" depiction of lesbian characters and narrow-minded view of homosexuality, especially since it's yet another depiction of the homosexual experience through the eyes of a storyteller who isn't homosexual.[[note]]There's also a long-standing (yet unconfirmed) rumor that Smith based the story at least partially on a producer he knew who had a crush on a lesbian colleague, which would make the final film an unintentionally wish-fulfillment fantasy.[[/note]] It's important to remember that, for 1997, this was borderline revolutionary in its ernest depiction of homosexual characters, something that's sadly still rare enough to bare mentioning. It also sheds some much-needed light on the concept of bisexuality.bisexuality and general non-binary sexuality. [[spoiler:The fact that the ending is rather ambiguous has hurt its reputation a bit, and non-fans are quick to point out that Smith, despite his noble efforts, otherwise screwed up the film's ultimate message.]]
23rd Nov '16 5:21:52 PM arrgh
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* FairForItsDay: The film has seen much flack in TheNewTens for its "stereotypical" depiction of lesbian characters and narrow-minded view of homosexuality, especially since it's yet another depiction of the homosexual experience through the eyes of a storyteller who isn't homosexual.[[note]]There's also a long-standing (yet unconfirmed) rumor that Smith based the story at least partially on a producer he knew who had a crush on a lesbian colleague, which would make the final film an unintentionally homophobic wish-fulfillment fantasy.[[/note]] It's important to remember that, for 1997, this was borderline revolutionary in its ernest depiction of homosexual characters, something that's sadly still rare enough to bare mentioning. It also addressed the concept of relationships and sexuality being more complicated than a simple binary divide of "gay" and "straight" ''years'' before the general public even acknowledged pansexuality as a concept, if they even knew it existed. [[spoiler:The fact that the ending is rather ambiguous has hurt its reputation a bit, and non-fans are quick to point out that Smith, despite his noble efforts, otherwise screwed up the film's ultimate message.]]

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* FairForItsDay: The film has seen much flack in TheNewTens for its "stereotypical" depiction of lesbian characters and narrow-minded view of homosexuality, especially since it's yet another depiction of the homosexual experience through the eyes of a storyteller who isn't homosexual.[[note]]There's also a long-standing (yet unconfirmed) rumor that Smith based the story at least partially on a producer he knew who had a crush on a lesbian colleague, which would make the final film an unintentionally homophobic wish-fulfillment fantasy.[[/note]] It's important to remember that, for 1997, this was borderline revolutionary in its ernest depiction of homosexual characters, something that's sadly still rare enough to bare mentioning. It also addressed sheds some much-needed light on the concept of relationships and sexuality being more complicated than a simple binary divide of "gay" and "straight" ''years'' before the general public even acknowledged pansexuality as a concept, if they even knew it existed.bisexuality. [[spoiler:The fact that the ending is rather ambiguous has hurt its reputation a bit, and non-fans are quick to point out that Smith, despite his noble efforts, otherwise screwed up the film's ultimate message.]]
12th Nov '16 10:11:13 PM PrincessGwen
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* FairForItsDay: The film has seen much flack in TheNewTens for it's "stereotypical" depiction of lesbian characters and narrow-minded view of homosexuality, especially since it's yet another depiction of the homosexual experience through the eyes of a storyteller who isn't homosexual.[[note]]There's also a long-standing (yet unconfirmed) rumor that Smith based the story at least partially on a producer he knew who had a crush on a lesbian colleague, which would make the final film an unintentionally homophobic wish-fulfillment fantasy.[[/note]] It's important to remember that, for 1997, this was borderline revolutionary in it's ernest depiction of homosexual characters, something that's sadly still rare enough to bare mentioning. It also addressed the concept of relationships and sexuality being more complicated than a simple binary divide of "gay" and "straight" ''years'' before the general public even acknowledged pansexuality as a concept, if they even knew it existed. [[spoiler:The fact that the ending is rather ambiguous has hurt it's reputation a bit, and non-fans are quick to point out that Smith, despite his nobel efforts, otherwise screwed up the film's ultimate message.]]
* FridgeHorror: It's safe to assume that Banky is to stupid to know that such as thing as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrective_rape corrective rape]] actually does exist when he says that lesbians just "need a good dicking."

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* FairForItsDay: The film has seen much flack in TheNewTens for it's its "stereotypical" depiction of lesbian characters and narrow-minded view of homosexuality, especially since it's yet another depiction of the homosexual experience through the eyes of a storyteller who isn't homosexual.[[note]]There's also a long-standing (yet unconfirmed) rumor that Smith based the story at least partially on a producer he knew who had a crush on a lesbian colleague, which would make the final film an unintentionally homophobic wish-fulfillment fantasy.[[/note]] It's important to remember that, for 1997, this was borderline revolutionary in it's its ernest depiction of homosexual characters, something that's sadly still rare enough to bare mentioning. It also addressed the concept of relationships and sexuality being more complicated than a simple binary divide of "gay" and "straight" ''years'' before the general public even acknowledged pansexuality as a concept, if they even knew it existed. [[spoiler:The fact that the ending is rather ambiguous has hurt it's its reputation a bit, and non-fans are quick to point out that Smith, despite his nobel noble efforts, otherwise screwed up the film's ultimate message.]]
* FridgeHorror: It's safe to assume that Banky is to too stupid to know that such as thing as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrective_rape corrective rape]] actually does exist when he says that lesbians just "need a good dicking."
6th Nov '16 12:08:52 AM dragonus45
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* ValuesResonance: For better or worse, there are still plenty of people, but especially men, who believe that, just because they're nice guys, they automatically deserve the affection of the people they're attracted to, so the film's message of not forcing someone to love you on their terms is still relevant.

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* ValuesResonance: For better or worse, there are still plenty of people, but especially men, who believe that, just because they're nice guys, they automatically deserve the affection of the people they're attracted to, so the film's message of not forcing someone to love you on their terms is still relevant.
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