History YMMV / Catherine

7th Jan '18 9:04:45 AM mrbits
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** Rin, a new character, is already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people finding her design to be jarring and out of place, as well as finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's shocked reaction to this. This is bearing in mind TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} transgender woman]] was treated as some kind of joke on Toby by pretty much the entire cast in the original release, and the dev team used [[UsefulNotes/LGBTCommunity LGBTQ]] characters for similar types of questionable comedy in ''VideoGame/Persona3'' and ''VideoGame/Persona5'', so many were less than confident in Atlus' ability to handle any form of such subject matter.]]
30th Dec '17 12:43:09 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* ValuesDissonance: The idea that the nightmares exist to weed out men who won't marry and father children to keep the world populated may make sense in Japan, which is notortious for an aging population coupled with low fertility rates, particularly amongst younger demographics. However, this concept makes little sense to those in the rest of the world, which is experiencing the exact opposite problems, including the threat of global overpopulation.

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* ValuesDissonance: The idea that the nightmares exist to weed out men who won't marry and father children to keep the world populated may make sense in Japan, which is notortious infamous for an aging population coupled with low fertility rates, particularly amongst younger demographics.demographics; this leads to the concern that Japan's population will start to die out faster than it can grow. However, this concept makes little sense to those in the rest of the world, which is experiencing the exact opposite problems, including the threat of global overpopulation.
30th Dec '17 12:41:32 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* ValuesDissonance: The idea that the nightmares exist to weed out men who won't marry and father children to keep the world populated may make sense in Japan, which is notortious for an aging population coupled with low fertility rates, particularly amongst younger demographics. However, this concept makes little sense to those in the rest of the world, which is experiencing the exact opposite problems, including the threat of global overpopulation.
26th Dec '17 7:31:29 AM ashlay
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** Rin, a new character, is already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people finding her design to be jarring and out of place, as well as finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's shocked reaction to this. This is bearing in mind TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} transgender woman]] was treated as some kind of joke on Toby by pretty much the entire cast in the original release, and the dev team using [[UsefulNotes/LGBTCommunity LGBTQ]] characters for similar types of questionable comedy in ''VideoGame/Persona3'' and ''VideoGame/Persona5'', so many were less than confident in Atlus' ability to handle any form of such subject matter.]]

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** Rin, a new character, is already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people finding her design to be jarring and out of place, as well as finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's shocked reaction to this. This is bearing in mind TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} transgender woman]] was treated as some kind of joke on Toby by pretty much the entire cast in the original release, and the dev team using used [[UsefulNotes/LGBTCommunity LGBTQ]] characters for similar types of questionable comedy in ''VideoGame/Persona3'' and ''VideoGame/Persona5'', so many were less than confident in Atlus' ability to handle any form of such subject matter.]]
25th Dec '17 9:53:50 PM ashlay
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** Rin, a new character, is already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people finding her design to be jarring and out of place, as well as finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's shocked reaction to this. Bearing in mind a lot of people's less than stellar response to how TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} transgender woman]] was handled in one of the endings, it's no surprise the trailer caused such a reaction.]]

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** Rin, a new character, is already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people finding her design to be jarring and out of place, as well as finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's shocked reaction to this. Bearing This is bearing in mind a lot of people's less than stellar response to how TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} transgender woman]] was handled in one treated as some kind of joke on Toby by pretty much the endings, it's no surprise entire cast in the trailer caused original release, and the dev team using [[UsefulNotes/LGBTCommunity LGBTQ]] characters for similar types of questionable comedy in ''VideoGame/Persona3'' and ''VideoGame/Persona5'', so many were less than confident in Atlus' ability to handle any form of such a reaction.subject matter.]]
24th Dec '17 10:41:05 AM QueenofSwords
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** New character, Rin was already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people not liking her new design and just finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's shocked reaction to this. Bearing in mind a lot of people's less than stellar response to how TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} transgender woman]] was handled in one of the endings, it's no surprise the trailer caused such a reaction.]]

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** New Rin, a new character, Rin was is already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people not liking finding her new design to be jarring and just out of place, as well as finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's shocked reaction to this. Bearing in mind a lot of people's less than stellar response to how TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} transgender woman]] was handled in one of the endings, it's no surprise the trailer caused such a reaction.]]
24th Dec '17 10:39:55 AM QueenofSwords
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Vincent is treated by the narrative as being unfaithful... but the circumstances of him doing so more closely resemble DateRape than ''actual'' cheating, with Vincent getting so drunk that his encounters with Catherine come off as QuestionableConsent ''at best''.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Vincent is treated by the narrative as being unfaithful... but the circumstances of him doing so more closely resemble DateRape than ''actual'' cheating, with Vincent getting so drunk that his encounters with Catherine come off as QuestionableConsent ''at best''.at best and DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale at worst.
24th Dec '17 3:54:53 AM LooseyGoose
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** New character, Rin was already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people not liking her new design and just finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's shocked reaction to this. Bearing in mind a lot of people's less than stellar response to how TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} post-op transgender woman]] was handled in one of the endings, it's no surprise the trailer caused such a reaction.]]

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** New character, Rin was already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people not liking her new design and just finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's shocked reaction to this. Bearing in mind a lot of people's less than stellar response to how TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} post-op transgender woman]] was handled in one of the endings, it's no surprise the trailer caused such a reaction.]]
23rd Dec '17 6:01:05 AM LooseyGoose
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** New character, Rin was already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people not liking her new design and just finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's apparent reaction to this. Bearing in mind a lot of people's less than stellar response to how TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} post-op transgender woman]] was handled in one of the endings, it's no surprise the trailer caused such a reaction.]]

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** New character, Rin was already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people not liking her new design and just finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]] and Vincent's apparent shocked reaction to this. Bearing in mind a lot of people's less than stellar response to how TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} post-op transgender woman]] was handled in one of the endings, it's no surprise the trailer caused such a reaction.]]
23rd Dec '17 5:59:55 AM LooseyGoose
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** New character, Rin was already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people not liking her new design and just finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]]. Bearing in mind a lot of people's less than stellar response to how TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} post-op transgender woman]] was handled in one of the endings, it's no surprise the trailer caused such a reaction.]]

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** New character, Rin was already causing controversy before the release of the first trailer for the UpdatedRerelease, Full Body with people not liking her new design and just finding her inclusion to the plot as unnecessary. When the first trailer did arrive the controversy just magnified [[spoiler:with the implication that Rin is a WholesomeCrossdresser or [[{{Transsexual}} transgender]].transgender]] and Vincent's apparent reaction to this. Bearing in mind a lot of people's less than stellar response to how TheReveal of Erica being a [[{{Transsexual}} post-op transgender woman]] was handled in one of the endings, it's no surprise the trailer caused such a reaction.]]
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