History YMMV / CastlevaniaJudgment

26th Aug '17 1:40:06 PM Luigifan
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*** Of all the designs that are quite Base Breaking, Grant's design is this the most. Though initially highly disliked for looking like a [[SoulCalibur Voldo]] ripoff and less like a pirate - particularly citing he looks like a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot mummy ninja]]. However, some fans have gotten used to and even warmed up to Grant's new design - citing that Grant's old design was generic, and this new one looked badass and made him far more distinguishable as a character. They also point out two factors which explain why Grant looks the way he is: that being he was pulled from ''after'' his debut, so he could've either gone through a lot of hardships after the events of Dracula's Curse; or just get beaten badly by Dracula himself during said game he debuted in. Another argument defenders use (though rare) is that in the original Japanese, Grant was classed as a ''former'' pirate captain, but was now currently a rebel, a noble thief and an acrobat, so it's fair game for the character designer to do what they wanted with his design.

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*** Of all the designs that are quite Base Breaking, Grant's design is this the most. Though initially highly disliked for looking like a [[SoulCalibur Voldo]] ripoff and less like a pirate - -- particularly citing he looks like a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot mummy ninja]]. However, some fans have gotten used to and even warmed up to Grant's new design - -- citing that Grant's old design was generic, and this new one looked badass and made him far more distinguishable as a character. They also point out two factors which explain why Grant looks the way he is: that being he was pulled from ''after'' his debut, so he could've either gone through a lot of hardships after the events of Dracula's Curse; or just get beaten badly by Dracula himself during said game he debuted in. Another argument defenders use (though rare) is that in the original Japanese, Grant was classed as a ''former'' pirate captain, but was now currently a rebel, a noble thief and an acrobat, so it's fair game for the character designer to do what they wanted with his design.



* CharacterTiers - Ever-present in a fighting game.

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* CharacterTiers - CharacterTiers: Ever-present in a fighting game.
26th Aug '17 1:39:31 PM Luigifan
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** Top Tier: Aeon, Alucard & Shanoa
** High Tier: Death, Eric & Simon
** Mid Tier: Carmilla, Cornell, Golem, Sypha & Trevor

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** Top Tier: Aeon, Alucard Alucard, & Shanoa
** High Tier: Death, Eric Eric, & Simon
** Mid Tier: Carmilla, Cornell, Golem, Sypha Sypha, & Trevor



*** Despite being TheScrappy to most people, Eric's theme, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxc2l50u1M0 Iron Blue Intention]], is also well-received. With the heavy sound of the trumpet, and the slower tempo, it gives off a regal and grand sound - particularly when the music picks up. The sound of the guitar strumming in the back is also a good nod to Eric's Spanish origins. Most thought that the theme would suit Eric if he were an adult or at least a teenager rather than a child.

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*** Despite being TheScrappy to most people, Eric's theme, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxc2l50u1M0 Iron Blue Intention]], is also well-received. With the heavy sound of the trumpet, and the slower tempo, it gives off a regal and grand sound - -- particularly when the music picks up. The sound of the guitar strumming in the back is also a good nod to Eric's Spanish origins. Most thought that the theme would suit Eric if he were an adult or at least a teenager rather than a child.



** Cornell and ''especially'' Golem. Anyone find it ironic as the one character whose mere existence was overlooked turned out to be the one part most fans thought the game got ''right''?

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** Cornell and ''especially'' Golem. Anyone find it ironic as [[{{Irony}} ironic]] that the one character whose mere existence was overlooked turned out to be the one part most fans thought the game got ''right''?



* FirstInstallmentWins - Aside from [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaOrderOfEcclesia Shanoa]] and [[OriginalGeneration the newcomer Aeon]], all of the characters in this game were introduced to the series before 2000, prior to when IGA became producer. References to the handheld {{Metroidvania}}s and the non-UsefulNotes/{{Nintendo 64}} 3D games are sparse: Death's music comes from ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaLamentOfInnocence'', Trevor's ending foreshadows ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaCurseOfDarkness'' and most of the enemy models are taken from that game, Alucard's ending foreshadows ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaAriaOfSorrow'', and Eric's ending hints at a plot point introduced in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaPortraitOfRuin''.

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* FirstInstallmentWins - FirstInstallmentWins: Aside from [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaOrderOfEcclesia Shanoa]] and [[OriginalGeneration the newcomer Aeon]], all of the characters in this game were introduced to the series before 2000, prior to when IGA became producer. References to the handheld {{Metroidvania}}s and the non-UsefulNotes/{{Nintendo 64}} 3D games are sparse: Death's music comes from ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaLamentOfInnocence'', Trevor's ending foreshadows ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaCurseOfDarkness'' and most of the enemy models are taken from that game, Alucard's ending foreshadows ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaAriaOfSorrow'', and Eric's ending hints at a plot point introduced in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaPortraitOfRuin''.



* FridgeBrilliance: One of the biggest complaints from fans was that [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaChroniclesOfSorrow Soma Cruz]] wasn't part of the roster. However, if one plays through the game, they'd realize ''why'' that can't be possible. [[spoiler: Soma is the reincarnation of Dracula, and Dracula is already part of the roster. Aeon decreed that no two of the same being can be in the Time Rift or else something bad will happen.]]
* [[HarsherInHindsight Harsher]] and HilariousInHindsight: With ''Castlevania'''s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN0Te7uTi7o current direction]], Maria's plotline being centered on comparing her bust to every other girls' is scarily prophetic.
** One more HarsherInHindsight - when you use Aeon's Hyper Attack against Grant, he will end his trek through the glass with this: "Your tale will be passed down for eternity." Considering what's happening to the franchise now...

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* FridgeBrilliance: One of the biggest complaints from fans was that [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaChroniclesOfSorrow Soma Cruz]] wasn't part of the roster. However, if one plays through the game, they'd realize ''why'' that can't be possible. [[spoiler: Soma [[spoiler:Soma is the reincarnation of Dracula, and Dracula is already part of the roster. Aeon decreed that no two of the same being can be in the Time Rift or else something bad will happen.]]
* [[HarsherInHindsight Harsher]] and HilariousInHindsight: With ''Castlevania'''s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN0Te7uTi7o current direction]], Maria's plotline being centered on comparing her bust to every other girls' girl's is scarily prophetic.
** One more HarsherInHindsight - -- when you use Aeon's Hyper Attack against Grant, he will end his trek through the glass with this: "Your tale will be passed down for eternity." Considering what's happening to the franchise now...



** A small example. Since Aeon has unique comments for the cast when hit by his Super, fans have tried their hands at making lines for Aeon to use against characters from non-Castlevania properties.
** As a result of Maria's story mode, referring to large breasts as a "sacred gift".

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** A small example. Since Aeon has unique comments for each member of the cast when hit by [[LimitBreak his Super, Super]], fans have tried their hands at making lines for Aeon to use against characters from non-Castlevania non-''Castlevania'' properties.
** As a result of Maria's story mode, [[BuxomIsBetter referring to large breasts as a "sacred gift".gift"]].



* RonTheDeathEater: Though not hugely grossed out or highly exaggerated compared to other characters (thankfully due to other games featuring him not being like this), Trevor gets a lot of flak and is accused of being a self-righteous asshole for what he says to Grant in Grant's story mode. Players felt that Trevor wasn't being fair to Grant by accusing him of feeling himself worthier for Sypha...despite the fact that considering Grant's tone and posture (he sounded sad, tired and his head is bowed down), that might not have even been the case, and instead of challenging him to a fight, players felt that Trevor should've just talked to Grant to sort things out. Especially jarring since they're supposed to be best friends (though some can justify it's because back in the era where Trevor and Grant lived in, this was probably one way to settle things out). Players also felt that by the end of Grant's story, it's not Grant who broke apart their friendship, but Trevor himself, and that it was better that Grant distance himself away from the two things that made him miserable (even though Grant ''did'' skip out from their wedding of his own free will due to his own jealousy and resentment that he DidNotGetTheGirl).

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* RonTheDeathEater: Though not hugely grossed out or highly exaggerated compared to other characters (thankfully due to other games featuring him not being like this), Trevor gets a lot of flak and is accused of being a self-righteous asshole for what he says to Grant in Grant's story mode. Players felt that Trevor wasn't being fair to Grant by accusing him of feeling himself worthier for Sypha...despite the fact that considering Grant's tone and posture (he sounded sad, tired tired, and his head is bowed down), that might not have even been the case, and instead of challenging him to a fight, players felt that Trevor should've just talked to Grant to sort things out. Especially jarring since they're supposed to be best friends (though some can justify it's because back in the era where Trevor and Grant lived in, this was probably one way to settle things out). Players also felt that by the end of Grant's story, it's not Grant who broke apart their friendship, but Trevor himself, and that it was better that Grant distance distanced himself away from the two things that made him miserable (even though Grant ''did'' skip out from their wedding of his own free will due to his own jealousy and resentment that he DidNotGetTheGirl).



** Sypha is also ''really'' hated in this game due to being an uptight [[HypoCrite hypocrite]] who claims she is doing goodness by eliminating all Children of the Night, yet in the same vein, she does not seem to care or acknowledge that [[DarkIsNotEvil some of those characters have good intentions and have nothing to do with Dracula (even going ''against'' him)]]. What doesn't help her case is that the characters she antagonizes are [[EnsembleDarkhorse Cornell]] and Shanoa, who are far more well-liked than her. ''[[TheVamp Carmilla]]'' even calls her out on her hypocrisy.
*** What also doesn't help Sypha's case is that Shanoa is also part of the church. So technically, they're on the same side. Which basically means that she really is a huge [[HypoCrite hypocrite]]. The only silver lining in this is that this was supposed to be a take of past!Sypha before ''Dracula's Curse'', so her eventual fate was to be given a soup of humiliation by being petrified by the Cyclops, saved by Trevor and [[CharacterDevelopment mellowed down once she felt calmer and matured up during the quest]]. But considering that in the original, she was amiable from get-go, that artistic liberty isn't helping much. Even the Pachislot version had her to be more amiable.
** The incarnation of Maria here usually tends to trump both Eric and Sypha, despite not being turned into an arrogant version of herself, simply because she has the most 'anime-ified' design considered to be the worst offender, very awkward fighting style and her storyline being considered the most ridiculous amongst all others and also completely OOC in its own way compared to her ''Rondo of Blood'' origin (she was cute, but she ''didn't obsess over the boobs of other ladies''). If most people get asked who's the most problematic character in ''Judgment'', Maria is usually first in line.

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** Sypha is also ''really'' hated in this game due to being an uptight [[HypoCrite hypocrite]] {{hypocrite}} [[KnightTemplar who claims she is doing goodness goodness]] [[VanHelsingHateCrimes by eliminating all Children of the Night, Night]], yet in the same vein, she does not seem to care or acknowledge that [[DarkIsNotEvil some of those characters have good intentions and have nothing to do with Dracula (even going ''against'' him)]]. What doesn't help her case is that the characters she antagonizes are [[EnsembleDarkhorse Cornell]] and Shanoa, who are far more well-liked than her. ''[[TheVamp Carmilla]]'' even calls her out on her hypocrisy.
*** What also doesn't help Sypha's case is that Shanoa is also part of the church. So technically, they're on the same side. Which basically means that she really is a huge [[HypoCrite hypocrite]]. {{hypocrite}}. The only silver lining in this is that this was supposed to be a take of past!Sypha before ''Dracula's Curse'', so her eventual fate was to be given a soup of humiliation by [[TakenForGranite being petrified by the Cyclops, Cyclops]], saved by Trevor Trevor, and [[CharacterDevelopment mellowed down once she felt calmer and matured up during the quest]]. But considering that in the original, she was amiable from get-go, that artistic liberty isn't helping much. Even the Pachislot version had her to be more amiable.
** The incarnation of Maria here usually tends to trump both Eric and Sypha, despite not being turned into an arrogant version of herself, simply because she has the most 'anime-ified' design considered to be the worst offender, very awkward fighting style style, and her storyline being considered the most ridiculous amongst all others and also completely OOC in its own way compared to her ''Rondo of Blood'' origin (she was cute, but she ''didn't obsess over the boobs of other ladies''). If most people get asked who's the most problematic character in ''Judgment'', Maria is usually first in line.



** Cornell can be seen as one. He ''hates'' his beast form yet he ends up stuck in it in the Time Rift. There, he tries to find a cure for his curse. Along the way, he not only tells Carmilla to get lost when she tries to convince him to join their forces since he is also a child of the night, but when he goes to Sypha who is part of the church, [[KickTheDog she nastily rebukes him and tells him she has no cure along with telling him to go to death.]] Though Cornell interprets it as actually going to Death rather than taking Sypha's obvious notion of telling him to go die. However, Cornell would most likely be an IronWoobie as well, since when he finally finds Death, Death offers him the cure in exchange of his allegiance to Dracula. Cornell refuses and declares that he'll find a cure himself.
** Grant as well can count. Considering the amount of crap he went through in [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaIIIDraculasCurse Dracula's Curse]] (i.e. his whole family, which could ''possibly'' be or include his crew, getting killed off; and getting cursed to be a rampaging demon that was locked in a [[ThatOneLevel clocktower]]); and how different he looks now (which could actually border onto FridgeHorror if you think about it), he also DidNotGetTheGirl. And who did he lose the girl to? His [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter best friend]]. He was so [[GreenEyedMonster jealous]] and [[LoveHurts heartbroken]], he didn't even attend their wedding. However, unlike most RomanticRunnerUp characters with Grant's [[DeadpanSnarker personality]] in mind, instead of wishing ill, siding with the bad guys, or try to steal the girl, he instead tries to repair his homeland from all the crap ''that'' got from Dracula and his posse. In fact, we're unaware of Grant's heart being broken until his fated fights where he lets loose, but even then he seems more melancholic and tired than full out angsting, which made him easier to sympathize with. This is very noticeable when he fights Trevor, to which he doesn't even seem angry or upset at him for being able to win Sypha's affections (in fact, most players found themselves hating Sypha and Trevor instead). But after beating Trevor, Grant finally [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wishes good tidings to the couple and moves on]]. Adding that to how he's usually quite chipper, this would probably also make him an IronWoobie.

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** Cornell can be seen as one. He ''hates'' his beast form form, yet he ends up stuck in it in the Time Rift. There, he tries to find a cure for his curse. Along the way, he not only tells Carmilla to get lost when she tries to convince him to join their forces since he is also a child of the night, but when he goes to Sypha who is part of the church, [[KickTheDog she nastily rebukes him and tells him she has no cure along with telling him to go to death.]] Though Cornell interprets it as [[LiteralMinded actually going to Death Death]] rather than taking Sypha's obvious notion of telling him to go die. However, Cornell would most likely be an IronWoobie as well, since when he finally finds Death, Death offers him the cure in exchange of his allegiance to Dracula. Cornell refuses and declares that he'll find a cure himself.
** Grant as well can count. Considering the amount of crap he went through in [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaIIIDraculasCurse Dracula's Curse]] (i.e. his whole family, which could ''possibly'' be or include his crew, getting killed off; and getting cursed to be a rampaging demon that was locked in a [[ThatOneLevel clocktower]]); and how different he looks now (which could actually border onto FridgeHorror if you think about it), he also DidNotGetTheGirl. And who did he lose the girl to? His [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter best friend]]. He was so [[GreenEyedMonster jealous]] and [[LoveHurts heartbroken]], he didn't even attend their wedding. However, unlike most RomanticRunnerUp characters with Grant's [[DeadpanSnarker personality]] in mind, instead of wishing ill, siding with the bad guys, or try trying to steal the girl, he instead tries to repair his homeland from all the crap ''that'' got from Dracula and his posse. In fact, we're unaware of Grant's heart being broken until his fated fights where he lets loose, but even then he seems more melancholic and tired than full out full-out angsting, which made him easier to sympathize with. This is very noticeable when he fights Trevor, to which he doesn't even seem angry or upset at him for being able to win Sypha's affections (in fact, most players found themselves hating Sypha and Trevor instead). But after beating Trevor, Grant finally [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wishes good tidings to the couple and moves on]]. Adding that to how he's usually quite chipper, this would probably also make him an IronWoobie.
7th Jul '17 7:41:10 PM QuizzicalPieridine
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* FridgeBrilliance: One of the biggest complaints from fans was that [[VideoGame/ChroniclesOfSorrow Soma Cruz]] wasn't part of the roster. However, if one plays through the game, they'd realize ''why'' that can't be possible. [[spoiler: Soma is the reincarnation of Dracula, and Dracula is already part of the roster. Aeon decreed that no two of the same being can be in the Time Rift or else something bad will happen.]]

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* FridgeBrilliance: One of the biggest complaints from fans was that [[VideoGame/ChroniclesOfSorrow [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaChroniclesOfSorrow Soma Cruz]] wasn't part of the roster. However, if one plays through the game, they'd realize ''why'' that can't be possible. [[spoiler: Soma is the reincarnation of Dracula, and Dracula is already part of the roster. Aeon decreed that no two of the same being can be in the Time Rift or else something bad will happen.]]



** Grant as well can count. Considering the amount of crap he went through in [[DraculasCurse Dracula's Curse]] (i.e. his whole family, which could ''possibly'' be or include his crew, getting killed off; and getting cursed to be a rampaging demon that was locked in a [[ThatOneLevel clocktower]]); and how different he looks now (which could actually border onto FridgeHorror if you think about it), he also DidNotGetTheGirl. And who did he lose the girl to? His [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter best friend]]. He was so [[GreenEyedMonster jealous]] and [[LoveHurts heartbroken]], he didn't even attend their wedding. However, unlike most RomanticRunnerUp characters with Grant's [[DeadpanSnarker personality]] in mind, instead of wishing ill, siding with the bad guys, or try to steal the girl, he instead tries to repair his homeland from all the crap ''that'' got from Dracula and his posse. In fact, we're unaware of Grant's heart being broken until his fated fights where he lets loose, but even then he seems more melancholic and tired than full out angsting, which made him easier to sympathize with. This is very noticeable when he fights Trevor, to which he doesn't even seem angry or upset at him for being able to win Sypha's affections (in fact, most players found themselves hating Sypha and Trevor instead). But after beating Trevor, Grant finally [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wishes good tidings to the couple and moves on]]. Adding that to how he's usually quite chipper, this would probably also make him an IronWoobie.

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** Grant as well can count. Considering the amount of crap he went through in [[DraculasCurse [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaIIIDraculasCurse Dracula's Curse]] (i.e. his whole family, which could ''possibly'' be or include his crew, getting killed off; and getting cursed to be a rampaging demon that was locked in a [[ThatOneLevel clocktower]]); and how different he looks now (which could actually border onto FridgeHorror if you think about it), he also DidNotGetTheGirl. And who did he lose the girl to? His [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter best friend]]. He was so [[GreenEyedMonster jealous]] and [[LoveHurts heartbroken]], he didn't even attend their wedding. However, unlike most RomanticRunnerUp characters with Grant's [[DeadpanSnarker personality]] in mind, instead of wishing ill, siding with the bad guys, or try to steal the girl, he instead tries to repair his homeland from all the crap ''that'' got from Dracula and his posse. In fact, we're unaware of Grant's heart being broken until his fated fights where he lets loose, but even then he seems more melancholic and tired than full out angsting, which made him easier to sympathize with. This is very noticeable when he fights Trevor, to which he doesn't even seem angry or upset at him for being able to win Sypha's affections (in fact, most players found themselves hating Sypha and Trevor instead). But after beating Trevor, Grant finally [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wishes good tidings to the couple and moves on]]. Adding that to how he's usually quite chipper, this would probably also make him an IronWoobie.
2nd Jul '17 7:27:18 AM ChrisX
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*** What also doesn't help Sypha's case is that Shanoa is also part of the church. So technically, they're on the same side. Which basically means that she really is a huge [[HypoCrite hypocrite]].
** The incarnation of Maria here usually tends to trump both Eric and Sypha, despite not being turned into an arrogant version of herself, simply because she has the most 'anime-ified' design considered to be the worst offender, very awkward fighting style and her storyline being considered the most ridiculous amongst all others and also completely OOC in its own way compared to her ''Rondo of Blood'' origin (she was cute, but she ''didn't obsess over other ladies' boobs''). If most people get asked who's the most problematic character in ''Judgment'', Maria is usually first in line.

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*** What also doesn't help Sypha's case is that Shanoa is also part of the church. So technically, they're on the same side. Which basically means that she really is a huge [[HypoCrite hypocrite]].
hypocrite]]. The only silver lining in this is that this was supposed to be a take of past!Sypha before ''Dracula's Curse'', so her eventual fate was to be given a soup of humiliation by being petrified by the Cyclops, saved by Trevor and [[CharacterDevelopment mellowed down once she felt calmer and matured up during the quest]]. But considering that in the original, she was amiable from get-go, that artistic liberty isn't helping much. Even the Pachislot version had her to be more amiable.
** The incarnation of Maria here usually tends to trump both Eric and Sypha, despite not being turned into an arrogant version of herself, simply because she has the most 'anime-ified' design considered to be the worst offender, very awkward fighting style and her storyline being considered the most ridiculous amongst all others and also completely OOC in its own way compared to her ''Rondo of Blood'' origin (she was cute, but she ''didn't obsess over the boobs of other ladies' boobs'').ladies''). If most people get asked who's the most problematic character in ''Judgment'', Maria is usually first in line.
2nd Jul '17 7:22:36 AM ChrisX
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** The new character that was introduced in this game, Aeon, was also well-received. Part of it is because his design is probably one of the best ones in the game, and his cryptic yet straightforward personality being intriguing. Being TheChessmaster and the BigGood also helps.

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** The new character that was introduced in this game, Aeon, was also well-received. Part of it is because his design is probably one of the best ones in the game, and his cryptic yet straightforward personality being intriguing. Being TheChessmaster and the BigGood also helps. And his theme music is awesome!
2nd Jul '17 7:21:04 AM ChrisX
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** The incarnation of Maria here usually tends to trump both Eric and Sypha, despite not being turned into an arrogant version of herself, simply because she has the most 'anime-ified' design considered to be the worst offender, very awkward fighting style and her storyline being considered the most ridiculous amongst all others and also completely OOC in its own way compared to her ''Rondo of Blood'' origin (she was cute, but she ''didn't obsess over other ladies' boobs''). If most people get asked who's the most problematic character in ''Judgment'', Maria is usually first in line.
21st Mar '17 7:00:30 PM nombretomado
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* FirstInstallmentWins - Aside from [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaOrderOfEcclesia Shanoa]] and [[OriginalGeneration the newcomer Aeon]], all of the characters in this game were introduced to the series before 2000, prior to when IGA became producer. References to the handheld {{Metroidvania}}s and the non-{{Nintendo 64}} 3D games are sparse: Death's music comes from ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaLamentOfInnocence'', Trevor's ending foreshadows ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaCurseOfDarkness'' and most of the enemy models are taken from that game, Alucard's ending foreshadows ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaAriaOfSorrow'', and Eric's ending hints at a plot point introduced in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaPortraitOfRuin''.

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* FirstInstallmentWins - Aside from [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaOrderOfEcclesia Shanoa]] and [[OriginalGeneration the newcomer Aeon]], all of the characters in this game were introduced to the series before 2000, prior to when IGA became producer. References to the handheld {{Metroidvania}}s and the non-{{Nintendo non-UsefulNotes/{{Nintendo 64}} 3D games are sparse: Death's music comes from ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaLamentOfInnocence'', Trevor's ending foreshadows ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaCurseOfDarkness'' and most of the enemy models are taken from that game, Alucard's ending foreshadows ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaAriaOfSorrow'', and Eric's ending hints at a plot point introduced in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaPortraitOfRuin''.
7th Feb '17 8:20:19 AM mousegold
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* FridgeBrilliance: One of the biggest complaints from fans was that [[ChroniclesOfSorrow Soma Cruz]] wasn't part of the roster. However, if one plays through the game, they'd realize ''why'' that can't be possible. [[spoiler: Soma is the reincarnation of Dracula, and Dracula is already part of the roster. Aeon decreed that no two of the same being can be in the Time Rift or else something bad will happen.]]

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* FridgeBrilliance: One of the biggest complaints from fans was that [[ChroniclesOfSorrow [[VideoGame/ChroniclesOfSorrow Soma Cruz]] wasn't part of the roster. However, if one plays through the game, they'd realize ''why'' that can't be possible. [[spoiler: Soma is the reincarnation of Dracula, and Dracula is already part of the roster. Aeon decreed that no two of the same being can be in the Time Rift or else something bad will happen.]]
13th Nov '16 1:16:22 PM DustSnitch
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*** Of all the designs that are quite Base Breaking, Grant's design is this the most. Though initially highly disliked for looking like a [[SoulCalibur Voldo]] ripoff and less like a pirate - particularly citing he looks like a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot mummy ninja]]. However, some fans have gotten used to and even warmed up to Grant's new design - citing that Grant's old design was generic, and this new one looked BadAss and made him far more distinguishable as a character. They also point out two factors which explain why Grant looks the way he is: that being he was pulled from ''after'' his debut, so he could've either gone through a lot of hardships after the events of Dracula's Curse; or just get beaten badly by Dracula himself during said game he debuted in. Another argument defenders use (though rare) is that in the original Japanese, Grant was classed as a ''former'' pirate captain, but was now currently a rebel, a noble thief and an acrobat, so it's fair game for the character designer to do what they wanted with his design.

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*** Of all the designs that are quite Base Breaking, Grant's design is this the most. Though initially highly disliked for looking like a [[SoulCalibur Voldo]] ripoff and less like a pirate - particularly citing he looks like a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot mummy ninja]]. However, some fans have gotten used to and even warmed up to Grant's new design - citing that Grant's old design was generic, and this new one looked BadAss badass and made him far more distinguishable as a character. They also point out two factors which explain why Grant looks the way he is: that being he was pulled from ''after'' his debut, so he could've either gone through a lot of hardships after the events of Dracula's Curse; or just get beaten badly by Dracula himself during said game he debuted in. Another argument defenders use (though rare) is that in the original Japanese, Grant was classed as a ''former'' pirate captain, but was now currently a rebel, a noble thief and an acrobat, so it's fair game for the character designer to do what they wanted with his design.
9th Jul '16 7:06:33 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: This game is probably one of the most controversial out of the Castlevania series. Flawed, horribly designed, wannabe-SoulCalibur reject that ruined the franchise? Or a severely underrated classic that, though flawed, is still quite fun to play with, and people are just being too picky?

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* BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: This game is probably one of the most controversial out of the Castlevania series. Flawed, horribly designed, wannabe-SoulCalibur reject that ruined the franchise? Or a severely underrated classic that, though flawed, is still quite fun to play with, and people are just being too picky?



** Though his redesign is quite the BaseBreaker, Grant was still positively received and considered one of the better characters in the cast with the best treatment. This is due to his personality (despite looking like that, he still acts like a laid-back and flippant swashbuckler) and his story being the least ridiculous, as well as being distinct.

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** Though his redesign is quite the BaseBreaker, divisive, Grant was still positively received and considered one of the better characters in the cast with the best treatment. This is due to his personality (despite looking like that, he still acts like a laid-back and flippant swashbuckler) and his story being the least ridiculous, as well as being distinct.
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