History YMMV / Caddyshack

6th Apr '18 4:38:11 PM Nicoaln
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** As plenty of lifeguards in TheEighties and TheNineties can tell you, thanks to this movie, Baby Ruth bars were ''frequently'' snuck into pools as a prank.
25th Jan '18 11:26:41 AM cluosborne
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** This gets so much worse in the second movie. The "snobby" country club members do virtually nothing wrong except act slightly rude to Creator/JackieMason's character, and that's because he's genuinely rude and annoying too. That perception quickly shifts when the club members decide to use their connections to disrupt his construction business and one even [[spoiler: outright breaks the law by hiring a hitman]]. Not to mention he wants to build low-income housing around their property and turns their country club into a gaudy amusement park. Even the daughter of Mason's character berates him for ruining the club, and is portrayed as an ungrateful SpoiledBrat for doing so until she finally reconciles with her father.

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** This gets so much worse in the second movie. The "snobby" country club members do virtually nothing wrong except act slightly rude to Creator/JackieMason's character, and that's because he's genuinely rude and annoying too. That perception quickly shifts when the club members decide to use their connections to disrupt his construction business and one even [[spoiler: outright breaks the law by hiring a hitman]]. Not to mention he wants to build low-income housing around their property and turns their country club into a gaudy amusement park. Even the daughter of Mason's character berates him for ruining the club, and is portrayed as an ungrateful SpoiledBrat for doing so until she finally reconciles with her father. That perception shifts when the club members decide to use their connections to disrupt his construction business and one even [[spoiler: outright breaks the law by hiring a hitman]].
25th Jan '18 10:33:11 AM cluosborne
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** This gets so much worse in the second movie. The "snobby" country club members do virtually nothing wrong except act slightly rude to Creator/JackieMason's character, and that's because he's genuinely rude and annoying too. Not to mention he wants to build low-income housing around their property just to spite them and turns their country club into a gaudy amusement park. Even the daughter of Mason's character berates him for ruining the club, and is portrayed as an ungrateful SpoiledBrat for doing so.
** Everything said about Jackie Mason above also applies to Rodney Dangerfield in the original. It'd be a lot easier to accept Smails as the old-money snob he's meant to be (a few KickTheDog moments with Danny notwithstanding) if Czervik wasn't such an obnoxious buffoon who almost seems to go out of his way to offend as many people as he can.

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** This gets so much worse in the second movie. The "snobby" country club members do virtually nothing wrong except act slightly rude to Creator/JackieMason's character, and that's because he's genuinely rude and annoying too. That perception quickly shifts when the club members decide to use their connections to disrupt his construction business and one even [[spoiler: outright breaks the law by hiring a hitman]]. Not to mention he wants to build low-income housing around their property just to spite them and turns their country club into a gaudy amusement park. Even the daughter of Mason's character berates him for ruining the club, and is portrayed as an ungrateful SpoiledBrat for doing so.
so until she finally reconciles with her father.
** Everything said about Jackie Mason above also applies to Rodney Dangerfield in the original. It'd be a lot easier to accept Smails as the old-money snob he's meant to be (a few KickTheDog moments with Danny notwithstanding) if Czervik wasn't such an obnoxious buffoon who almost seems to go out of his way to offend as many people as he can. That said, Judge Smails does display some integrity (as in he doesn't abuse his legal powers or [[spoiler: hire a hitman]]), unlike his counterpart in the sequel.
22nd Jan '18 2:59:17 PM MinisterOfSinister
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*** [[spoiler: The low-income housing being constructed wasn't actually being done out of spite, it was so people could afford a decent place to live. The construction started long before the events of the film. In fact, Hartounian's establishing character moment is when he deliberately ''loses'' a card game (at the construction site) to an employee who needed the money to support his family and is shown treating his employees with respect and generosity. Hartounian's conflict with the "snobby" country club members started when said members were protesting over the destruction of a long-gone estate, claiming that an about-to-fall-down carriage house (nothing more than four walls and virtually no roof and a plastic lawn chair) and a brook (actually a storm drain) were worthy of historical preservation. Never mind the fact that they were repeatedly trespassing on his property and he actually tries to explain all this reasonably. He only joins the club at the insistence of his daughter who was friends with Miffy and wanted to climb the social ladder (she later realizes she was wrong and reconciles with her father). When Hartounian and Club President Chandler Young meet, they try to be amicable to one another and agree to let their lawyers handle matters. The conflict didn't escalate until after winning all the bids at a club "slave auction" for charity and putting them to work at his construction site to show them what an honest-day's work is like. The club members then disrupt his construction project and business out of spite over the charity stunt using their connections to the city to cut off the his company office's power and utilities and taking his construction permits away. That's when Hartounian bought their club and turned it into a garish amusement park and act obnoxious as a legal way to pressure ''them'' to stop. At that point, ''Chandler'' hires a (comically incompetent) hitman to kill Hartounian, first with a car bomb (which destroys Chandler's Rolls Royce) and an exploding golf ball during a tournament (which literally blows up in their faces thanks to a certain gopher).]]



*** However, unlike Czervik, Hartounian is more down-to-earth, has a daughter he loves (and raises her to ''not'' be a SpoiledBrat), spends time with his employees and constructs low-income housing for altruistic reasons, not because he wants to make a profit. Apart from his "sweet-talking" lawyer, he also clearly doesn't rely on a Moose and Rocko to handle "debt collection". And say what you will about Judge Smails, but at least he didn't abuse his legal powers to put Danny in prison on trumped-up charges nor disrupt Czervik's construction business, nor did he hire a [[spoiler: hitman, making Chandler Young more of an outright villain.]]
7th Dec '17 4:09:56 PM speedyboris
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* CriticalDissonance: While Leonard Maltin gave both films only two stars, he gave a slight edge to the sequel, praising Jackie Mason's character as a welcome addition. Needless to say, most of the fanbase doesn't agree.
7th Nov '17 6:34:46 AM cluosborne
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*** [[spoiler: The low-income housing being constructed wasn't actually being done out of spite, it was so people could afford a decent place to live. The construction started long before the events of the film. In fact, Hartounian's establishing character moment is when he deliberately ''loses'' a card game (at the construction site) to an employee who needed the money to support his family and is shown treating his employees with respect and generosity. Hartounian's conflict with the "snobby" country club members started when said members were protesting over the destruction of a long-gone estate, claiming that an about-to-fall-down carriage house (nothing more than four walls and virtually no roof and a plastic lawn chair) and a brook (actually a storm drain) were worthy of historical preservation. Never mind the fact that they were repeatedly trespassing on his property and he actually tries to explain all this reasonably. He only joins the club at the insistence of his daughter who was friends with Miffy and wanted to climb the social ladder (she later realizes she was wrong and reconciles with her father). When Hartounian and Club President Chandler Young meet, they try to be amicable to one another and agree to let their lawyers handle matters. The conflict didn't escalate until after winning all the bids at a club "slave auction" for charity and putting them to work at his construction site to show them what an honest-day's work is like. The club members then disrupt his construction project and business out of spite over the charity stunt using their connections to the city to cut off the his company office's power and utilities and taking his construction permits away. That's when Hartounian bought their club and turned it into a garish amusement park and act obnoxious as a legal way to pressure ''them'' to stop. At that point, ''Chandler'' hires a (comically incompetent) hitman to kill Hartounian, first with a car bomb (which destroy's Chanlder's Rolls Royce) and an exploding golf ball during a tournament (which literally blows up in their faces thanks to a certain gopher).]]

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*** [[spoiler: The low-income housing being constructed wasn't actually being done out of spite, it was so people could afford a decent place to live. The construction started long before the events of the film. In fact, Hartounian's establishing character moment is when he deliberately ''loses'' a card game (at the construction site) to an employee who needed the money to support his family and is shown treating his employees with respect and generosity. Hartounian's conflict with the "snobby" country club members started when said members were protesting over the destruction of a long-gone estate, claiming that an about-to-fall-down carriage house (nothing more than four walls and virtually no roof and a plastic lawn chair) and a brook (actually a storm drain) were worthy of historical preservation. Never mind the fact that they were repeatedly trespassing on his property and he actually tries to explain all this reasonably. He only joins the club at the insistence of his daughter who was friends with Miffy and wanted to climb the social ladder (she later realizes she was wrong and reconciles with her father). When Hartounian and Club President Chandler Young meet, they try to be amicable to one another and agree to let their lawyers handle matters. The conflict didn't escalate until after winning all the bids at a club "slave auction" for charity and putting them to work at his construction site to show them what an honest-day's work is like. The club members then disrupt his construction project and business out of spite over the charity stunt using their connections to the city to cut off the his company office's power and utilities and taking his construction permits away. That's when Hartounian bought their club and turned it into a garish amusement park and act obnoxious as a legal way to pressure ''them'' to stop. At that point, ''Chandler'' hires a (comically incompetent) hitman to kill Hartounian, first with a car bomb (which destroy's Chanlder's destroys Chandler's Rolls Royce) and an exploding golf ball during a tournament (which literally blows up in their faces thanks to a certain gopher).]]



*** However, unlike Czervik, Hartounian is more down-to-earth, has a daughter he loves (and raises her to ''not'' be a SpoiledBrat), spends time with his employees and constructs low-income housing for altruistic reasons, not because he wants to make a profit. Apart from his "sweet-talking" lawyer, he also clearly doesn't rely on a Moose and Rocko to handle "debt collection". And say what you will about Smails, but at least he didn't abuse his legal powers to put Danny in prison on trumped-up charges nor disrupt Czervik's construction business, nor did he hire a [[spoiler: hitman, making Chandler Young more of an outright villain.]]

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*** However, unlike Czervik, Hartounian is more down-to-earth, has a daughter he loves (and raises her to ''not'' be a SpoiledBrat), spends time with his employees and constructs low-income housing for altruistic reasons, not because he wants to make a profit. Apart from his "sweet-talking" lawyer, he also clearly doesn't rely on a Moose and Rocko to handle "debt collection". And say what you will about Judge Smails, but at least he didn't abuse his legal powers to put Danny in prison on trumped-up charges nor disrupt Czervik's construction business, nor did he hire a [[spoiler: hitman, making Chandler Young more of an outright villain.]]
25th Oct '17 9:15:26 AM cluosborne
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*** [[spoiler: The low-income housing being constructed wasn't actually being done out of spite, it was so people could afford a decent place to live. The construction started long before the events of the film. In fact, Hartounian's establishing character moment is when he deliberately ''loses'' a card game (at the construction site) to an employee who needed the money to support his family and is shown treating his employees with respect and generosity. Hartounian's conflict with the "snobby" country club members started when said members were protesting over the destruction of a long-gone estate, claiming that an about-to-fall-down carriage house (nothing more than four walls and virtually no roof and a plastic lawn chair) and a brook (actually a storm drain) were worthy of historical preservation. Never mind the fact that they were repeatedly trespassing on his property and he actually tries to explain all this reasonably. He only joins the club at the insistence of his daughter who was friends with Miffy and wanted to climb the social ladder (she later realizes she was wrong and reconciles with her father). When Hartounian and Club President Chandler Young meet, they agree to let their lawyers handle matters. The conflict didn't escalate until after winning all the bids at a club "slave auction" for charity and putting them to work at his construction site to show them what an honest-day's work is like. The club members then disrupt his construction project and business out of spite over the charity stunt using their connections to the city to cut off the his company office's power and utilities and taking his construction permits away. That's when Hartounian bought their club and turned it into a garish amusement park. It gets even worse when the Chandler hires a (comically incompetent) hitman to kill him, first with a car bomb (which destroy's Chanlder's Rolls Royce) and an exploding golf ball during a tournament (which literally blows up in their faces thanks to a certain gopher).]]

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*** [[spoiler: The low-income housing being constructed wasn't actually being done out of spite, it was so people could afford a decent place to live. The construction started long before the events of the film. In fact, Hartounian's establishing character moment is when he deliberately ''loses'' a card game (at the construction site) to an employee who needed the money to support his family and is shown treating his employees with respect and generosity. Hartounian's conflict with the "snobby" country club members started when said members were protesting over the destruction of a long-gone estate, claiming that an about-to-fall-down carriage house (nothing more than four walls and virtually no roof and a plastic lawn chair) and a brook (actually a storm drain) were worthy of historical preservation. Never mind the fact that they were repeatedly trespassing on his property and he actually tries to explain all this reasonably. He only joins the club at the insistence of his daughter who was friends with Miffy and wanted to climb the social ladder (she later realizes she was wrong and reconciles with her father). When Hartounian and Club President Chandler Young meet, they try to be amicable to one another and agree to let their lawyers handle matters. The conflict didn't escalate until after winning all the bids at a club "slave auction" for charity and putting them to work at his construction site to show them what an honest-day's work is like. The club members then disrupt his construction project and business out of spite over the charity stunt using their connections to the city to cut off the his company office's power and utilities and taking his construction permits away. That's when Hartounian bought their club and turned it into a garish amusement park. It gets even worse when the Chandler park and act obnoxious as a legal way to pressure ''them'' to stop. At that point, ''Chandler'' hires a (comically incompetent) hitman to kill him, Hartounian, first with a car bomb (which destroy's Chanlder's Rolls Royce) and an exploding golf ball during a tournament (which literally blows up in their faces thanks to a certain gopher).]]
24th Oct '17 5:05:55 PM cluosborne
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*** [[spoiler: The low-income housing being constructed wasn't actually being done out of spite, it was so people could afford a decent place to live. The construction started long before the events of the film. In fact, Hartounian's establishing character moment is when he deliberately loses a card game (at the construction site) to an employee who needed the money to support his family and is shown treating his employees with respect and generosity. Hartounian's conflict with the "snobby" country club members started when said members were protesting over the destruction of a long-gone estate, claiming that an about-to-fall-down carriage house (nothing more than four walls about to fall down and a plastic lawn chair) and a brook (actually a storm drain) were worthy of historical preservation. He only joins the club at the insistence of his daughter who was friends with Miffy and wanted to climb the social ladder (she later realizes she was wrong and reconciles with her father). When Hartounian and Club President Chandler Young meet, they agree to let their lawyers handle matters. The conflict didn't escalate until after winning all the bids at a club "slave auction" for charity and putting them to work at his construction site to show them what an honest-day's work is like. The club members then disrupt his construction project and business out of spite over the charity stunt using their connections to the city to cut off the his company office's power and utilities and taking his construction permits away. That's when Hartounian bought their club and turned it into a garish amusement park. It gets even worse when the Chandler hires a (comically incompetent) hitman to kill him, first with a car bomb (which destroy's Chanlder's Rolls Royce) and an exploding golf ball during a tournament (which literally blows up in their faces thanks to a certain gopher).]]

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*** [[spoiler: The low-income housing being constructed wasn't actually being done out of spite, it was so people could afford a decent place to live. The construction started long before the events of the film. In fact, Hartounian's establishing character moment is when he deliberately loses ''loses'' a card game (at the construction site) to an employee who needed the money to support his family and is shown treating his employees with respect and generosity. Hartounian's conflict with the "snobby" country club members started when said members were protesting over the destruction of a long-gone estate, claiming that an about-to-fall-down carriage house (nothing more than four walls about to fall down and virtually no roof and a plastic lawn chair) and a brook (actually a storm drain) were worthy of historical preservation. Never mind the fact that they were repeatedly trespassing on his property and he actually tries to explain all this reasonably. He only joins the club at the insistence of his daughter who was friends with Miffy and wanted to climb the social ladder (she later realizes she was wrong and reconciles with her father). When Hartounian and Club President Chandler Young meet, they agree to let their lawyers handle matters. The conflict didn't escalate until after winning all the bids at a club "slave auction" for charity and putting them to work at his construction site to show them what an honest-day's work is like. The club members then disrupt his construction project and business out of spite over the charity stunt using their connections to the city to cut off the his company office's power and utilities and taking his construction permits away. That's when Hartounian bought their club and turned it into a garish amusement park. It gets even worse when the Chandler hires a (comically incompetent) hitman to kill him, first with a car bomb (which destroy's Chanlder's Rolls Royce) and an exploding golf ball during a tournament (which literally blows up in their faces thanks to a certain gopher).]]
24th Oct '17 5:01:03 PM cluosborne
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*** However, unlike Czervik, Hartounian is more down-to-earth, has a daughter he loves (and raises her to ''not'' be a SpoiledBrat), spends time with his employees and constructs low-income housing for altruistic reasons, not because he wants to make a profit. Apart from his "sweet-talking" lawyer, he also clearly doesn't rely on a Moose and Rocko to handle "debt collection". And say what you will about Smails, but at least he didn't abuse his legal powers to disrupt Czervik's construction business, nor did he hire a [[spoiler: hitman, making Chandler Young more of an outright villain.]]

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*** However, unlike Czervik, Hartounian is more down-to-earth, has a daughter he loves (and raises her to ''not'' be a SpoiledBrat), spends time with his employees and constructs low-income housing for altruistic reasons, not because he wants to make a profit. Apart from his "sweet-talking" lawyer, he also clearly doesn't rely on a Moose and Rocko to handle "debt collection". And say what you will about Smails, but at least he didn't abuse his legal powers to put Danny in prison on trumped-up charges nor disrupt Czervik's construction business, nor did he hire a [[spoiler: hitman, making Chandler Young more of an outright villain.]]
23rd Oct '17 1:48:32 PM cluosborne
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*** However, unlike Czervik, Hartounian is more down-to-earth, has a daughter he loves (and raises her to ''not'' be a SpoiledBrat), spends time with his employees and constructs low-income housing for altruistic reasons, not because he wants to make a profit.

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*** However, unlike Czervik, Hartounian is more down-to-earth, has a daughter he loves (and raises her to ''not'' be a SpoiledBrat), spends time with his employees and constructs low-income housing for altruistic reasons, not because he wants to make a profit. Apart from his "sweet-talking" lawyer, he also clearly doesn't rely on a Moose and Rocko to handle "debt collection". And say what you will about Smails, but at least he didn't abuse his legal powers to disrupt Czervik's construction business, nor did he hire a [[spoiler: hitman, making Chandler Young more of an outright villain.]]
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