History YMMV / BloodC

2nd Oct '17 2:20:09 AM sayaleviathan
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** Unfortunately, the live-action film didn't receive much attention as it didn't make much money in the Japanese box office and [[http://www.anime-now.com/entry/2017/09/08/020007 was criticized for being more of a stage play than an actual movie]] particularly with [[FightSceneFailure the fight scenes]]. Likewise, the movie is more connected to ''The Last Mind'' since several characters from the play appeared it which can make those who haven't seen ''The Last Mind'' very confused.

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** Unfortunately, the live-action film didn't receive much attention as it didn't make much money in the Japanese box office and [[http://www.anime-now.com/entry/2017/09/08/020007 was criticized for being more of a stage play than an actual movie]] particularly with [[FightSceneFailure the fight scenes]]. Likewise, the movie is more connected to ''The Last Mind'' than the TV series and ''The Last Dark'' since several characters from the play appeared in it which can make [[ContinuityLockout those who haven't seen ''The Last Mind'' the play very confused.confused]].
1st Oct '17 1:45:59 AM sayaleviathan
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Both the movie and the 2015 stage play, specially the last one, which explained several storylines not answered in the anime or movie and was successful enough to grant an [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-06/blood-c-anime-gets-live-action-film-with-new-story-this-fall/.110712 upcoming 2017 live-action movie]] which is a prequel to the franchise.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Both the movie and the 2015 stage play, specially the last one, which explained several storylines not answered in the anime or movie and was successful enough to grant an [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-06/blood-c-anime-gets-live-action-film-with-new-story-this-fall/.110712 upcoming 2017 live-action movie]] which is a prequel to the franchise.



* ToughActToFollow: Given the cult success of ''Anime/BloodTheLastVampire'' and ''Anime/BloodPlus'', perhaps it's no wonder that ''Blood C'''s reception has been [[LoveItOrHateIt sadly mixed]] with the low BD/DVD sales. The movie, however, fared better than the TV series. The stage play also received good reception which also led to a live-action film with the cast and staff from play returning.

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* ToughActToFollow: ToughActToFollow:
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Given the cult success of ''Anime/BloodTheLastVampire'' and ''Anime/BloodPlus'', perhaps it's no wonder that ''Blood C'''s reception has been [[LoveItOrHateIt sadly mixed]] with the low BD/DVD sales. The movie, however, fared better than the TV series. The stage play also received good reception which also led to a live-action film with the cast and staff from play returning.returning.
** Unfortunately, the live-action film didn't receive much attention as it didn't make much money in the Japanese box office and [[http://www.anime-now.com/entry/2017/09/08/020007 was criticized for being more of a stage play than an actual movie]] particularly with [[FightSceneFailure the fight scenes]]. Likewise, the movie is more connected to ''The Last Mind'' since several characters from the play appeared it which can make those who haven't seen ''The Last Mind'' very confused.
15th Sep '17 5:53:06 AM Cieloazul
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* {{Fanon}}: That the Elder Bairns are somehow related to (or, alternatively, ARE) the youkai from [[spoiler:''Manga/{{xxxHOLiC}}'']]. This is a common belief after learning of the connection among the two series.



** While the majority of the viewers and critics agreed that the series's exposition, characterization and pacing were a mess, most of them also thought that the premise of a [[spoiler:TrumanShowPlot mixing a version of Saya with ancient monsters and mysterious conspiracies]] was, if not a genuinely interesting take on the ''Blood'' saga, at least quite appealing on its own right, and would have wished it to be better played.
** The flashbacks in Episode 1 and 11 that referenced ''The Last Vampire'' opened the door to a connection between the film and ''Blood C'', but the concept was never exploited further and was left as just a StealthSequel implication on the fly. Some people believe that making it clear and showing it explicitly would have made a very strong story. The question of what in the heaven were David and the Red Triangle doing while their favourite operative was being imprisoned [[spoiler:and brainwashed]] by unknown forces in a Japanese village is a particularly pretty point.

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** While the majority of the viewers and critics agreed that the series's exposition, characterization and pacing were a mess, most of them also thought that the premise of a [[spoiler:TrumanShowPlot mixing that mixed a version of Saya with ancient monsters and mysterious conspiracies]] was, if not a genuinely interesting take on the ''Blood'' saga, at least quite appealing on in its own right, and would have wished it to be better played.
** The flashbacks in Episode 1 and 11 that referenced ''The Last Vampire'' opened the door to a connection between the film and ''Blood C'', but the concept was never exploited further and was left as just a StealthSequel BroadStrokes implication on the fly. Some people believe that making it clear and showing it explicitly would have made a very strong story. The question story, especially if there was a version of what in the heaven were David and the Red Triangle in the ''Blood-C'' universe and what was it doing while their favourite operative was being imprisoned [[spoiler:and brainwashed]] by unknown forces in a Japanese village is village .
** The spinoff manga ''Demonic Moonlight'' showed [[spoiler:Tadayoshi's past as
a particularly pretty point.sword-wielding monster slayer named Kagekiri and revealed that there was a version of David in the ''Blood-C'' universe as well, who died of old age shortly before the beginning of the series.]] None of this was shown or even hinted in the anime, but while some people doubt of ''Demonic Moonlight'''s canonicity due to some continuity problems, others believe it would have been interesting to see.
26th Aug '17 1:13:47 PM RagingHigher
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** The gruesome yet creative ways used by the Elder Bairns to butcher peasants would be enough to elicit BlackComedy laughs by themselves, even without the bright chromatic palette of the series and the often weird character action which only make them more awkward.

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** The gruesome yet gruesomely creative ways used by the Elder Bairns to butcher peasants would be enough to elicit BlackComedy laughs by themselves, even without the bright chromatic palette of the series and the often weird character action which only make them more awkward.



* ScapegoatCreator: Creator/{{CLAMP}} gets usually blamed by ''Blood'' franchise fans for tainting the series's plot with their characteristically controversial writing shenanigans. It got worse when it was leaked that Junichi Fujisaku, one of the pioneers of the saga, worked in ''Blood C'' only to direct the fight scenes, thus allegedly limiting his chances of getting the series right. However, it turned out in an [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2011-09-01/blood-c-tsutomu-mizushima-and-junichi-fujisaku/2 ANN interview]] that, while he certainly wasn't in charge of the screenplay, the series's story was outlined by himself before CLAMP was involved, and more specifically, that the bizarre ''Blood'' reinventing of the show was '''his''' own idea. It's very telling that Junichi Fujisaku is again in charge of the screenplay of the 2015 stage play and 2017 live action movie while CLAMP are only credited as original co-creators.

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* ScapegoatCreator: Creator/{{CLAMP}} gets usually blamed by ''Blood'' franchise fans for tainting the series's plot with their characteristically controversial writing shenanigans. It got worse when it was leaked that Junichi Fujisaku, one of the pioneers of the saga, worked in ''Blood C'' only to direct the fight scenes, thus allegedly limiting his chances of getting the series right. However, it turned out in an [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2011-09-01/blood-c-tsutomu-mizushima-and-junichi-fujisaku/2 ANN interview]] that, while he certainly wasn't in charge of the screenplay, the series's story was outlined by himself before CLAMP was involved, and more specifically, that the bizarre reinventing of ''Blood'' reinventing of featured in the show series was '''his''' own idea. It's very telling that Junichi Fujisaku is again in charge of the screenplay of the 2015 stage play and 2017 live action movie while CLAMP are only credited as original co-creators.



** The flashbacks in Episode 1 and 11 that referenced ''The Last Vampire'' opened the door to a connection between the film and ''Blood C'', but the concept was never exploited further and was left as just a StealthSequel implication on the fly. Some people believe that making it clear, and showing it explicitly, would have made a very strong story. The question of what in the heaven would David and the Red Triangle doing while their operative was being imprisoned [[spoiler:and brainwashed]] by unknown forces in a Japanese village is a particularly pretty point.

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** The flashbacks in Episode 1 and 11 that referenced ''The Last Vampire'' opened the door to a connection between the film and ''Blood C'', but the concept was never exploited further and was left as just a StealthSequel implication on the fly. Some people believe that making it clear, clear and showing it explicitly, explicitly would have made a very strong story. The question of what in the heaven would were David and the Red Triangle doing while their favourite operative was being imprisoned [[spoiler:and brainwashed]] by unknown forces in a Japanese village is a particularly pretty point.
26th Aug '17 11:41:40 AM EnigmaLobo
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** While the two are terrible people, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would approve of [[spoiler: Nono]] elbowing her [[spoiler: twin sister Nene]] to the ground to use as bait for the Elder Bairns when the two tries to escape. Once the plan fails, some would find themselves either cheering or cringing at [[spoiler: Nono's agonizing death shortly afterwards]].
18th Jul '17 8:48:24 PM Angeldeb82
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Despite the show's mixed reputation, its soundtrack is still great all thanks to Naoki Sato. The best ones are [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i0zzngJgyM "Destiny"]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i0zzngJgyM "A Price For The Winner, A Punishment For The Loser"]]. The opening and ending themes, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewvAGAluWC4 "Spiral"]] by Dustz and "Junketsu Paradox" by Nana Mizuki herself, also deserve a mention.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: When Saya sings while going to school or home. And sometimes it's about her day, laundry or her dad. [[spoiler:Oddly enough, Fumito never reveals the reason for imposing this trait on Saya, if it has a reason other than ForTheLulz]].

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: When Saya sings while going to school or home. And sometimes it's about her day, laundry or her dad. [[spoiler:Oddly enough, Fumito never reveals the reason for imposing this trait on Saya, if it has a reason other than ForTheLulz]].ForTheLulz.]]



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Despite the show's mixed reputation, its soundtrack is still great all thanks to Naoki Sato. The best ones are [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i0zzngJgyM "Destiny"]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i0zzngJgyM "A Price For The Winner, A Punishment For The Loser"]]. The opening and ending themes, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewvAGAluWC4 "Spiral"]] by Dustz and "Junketsu Paradox" by Nana Mizuki herself, also deserve a mention.



** The Dog! A lot of people speculated that it's [[Manga/{{xxxHolic}} Kimihiro Watanuki]] due to his voice actors (both [[Creator/JunFukuyama Japanese]] and [[Creator/ToddHaberkorn English]]) and that he mentioned owning a shop where he grants wishes. And not to mention, the ONLY character who is on Saya's side and knows what the hell is going on.

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** The Dog! A lot of people speculated that it's [[Manga/{{xxxHolic}} Kimihiro Watanuki]] due to his voice actors (both [[Creator/JunFukuyama Japanese]] Creator/{{J|unFukuyama}}apanese and [[Creator/ToddHaberkorn English]]) and that he mentioned owning a shop where he grants wishes. And not to mention, the ONLY character who is on Saya's side and knows what the hell is going on.



* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler:Saya's life is being orchestrated as TrumanShowPlot and an experiment and everyone (except Saya, Fumito and Yuka) all die at the end in the hands of a wacky monster]]. Then, the 2012 movie, ''Film/TheCabinInTheWoods'', has the similar premise as well [[spoiler:which includes a guy being stabbed by an unicorn to boot!]]. Of course, the movie used to be shelved in 2009 before being released in 2012.

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* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler:Saya's life is being orchestrated as TrumanShowPlot and an experiment and everyone (except Saya, Fumito and Yuka) all die at the end in the hands of a wacky monster]]. monster.]] Then, the 2012 movie, ''Film/TheCabinInTheWoods'', has the similar premise as well [[spoiler:which includes a guy being stabbed by an unicorn to boot!]]. boot]]! Of course, the movie used to be shelved in 2009 before being released in 2012.



* StrangledByTheRedString: Deconstructed with Saya and Tokizane. At first, they don't have any meaningful conversation until Tokizane witnessed Saya's slaying of the Elder Bairn at episode 7. By then, he kept Saya's secret and after the school massacre in episode 9, he comforts Saya and confesses his feelings to her which Saya lampshades why. [[spoiler:Until the last two episodes revealed that Tokizane is just hired to play as the "brooding love interest" and he hates it because he only wants money and dislikes Saya's nature]].
* SuperlativeDubbing: The Spanish dub of the series was met with critical acclaim and was widely recognized as one of the best made in Spain in years. In special, Creator/CarmenCalvell's starring role as Saya turned the heads of everybody and was called one of the highlights of the show.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: Deconstructed with Saya and Tokizane. At first, they don't have any meaningful conversation until Tokizane witnessed Saya's slaying of the Elder Bairn at episode 7. By then, he kept Saya's secret and after the school massacre in episode 9, he comforts Saya and confesses his feelings to her which Saya lampshades why. [[spoiler:Until the last two episodes revealed that Tokizane is just hired to play as the "brooding love interest" and he hates it because he only wants money and dislikes Saya's nature]].
nature.]]
* SuperlativeDubbing: SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The Spanish dub of the series was met with critical acclaim and was widely recognized as one of the best made in Spain in years. In special, Creator/CarmenCalvell's starring role as Saya turned the heads of everybody and was called one of the highlights of the show.



** Though most of the characters are [[spoiler:hired by Fumito to act as Saya's "friends"]], the biggest one is Tadayoshi, who happens to [[spoiler:half-human, half-Elder Bairn]]. It would be interesting how much he has been under [[spoiler:Fumito]] before the events of the TV series. Only those who have read ''Blood-C: Demonic Moonlight'' would know what he is before he worked with [[spoiler:Fumito.]]

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** Though most of the characters are [[spoiler:hired by Fumito to act as Saya's "friends"]], the biggest one is Tadayoshi, who happens to [[spoiler:half-human, half-Elder Bairn]]. It would be interesting how much he has been under [[spoiler:Fumito]] before the events of the TV series. Only those who have read ''Blood-C: Demonic Moonlight'' would know what he is before he worked with [[spoiler:Fumito.]][[spoiler:Fumito]].



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: At first, the show presented Saya as a skilled warrior against the Elder Bairns, but the problem is that she fails in protecting and saving people. The most blatant example is in episode 8 and 9 [[spoiler:where she ''just watches'' (we are not shown if in shock or merely surprised) several of her classmates ''die'' before she attacks, and at the end, all of them except the class representative are dead]]. Her mourning of their deaths was supposed to come out as sympathetic but given the track record of how many people died throughout the show and the [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] that she and these people had been holding on, it's not. Even after it was revealed that [[spoiler:she was under specifical brainwashing all the time and the events were being controlled from the shadows,]] it's not easy to forgive her for what is too easily perceivable as sucking in the hero job.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: At first, the show presented Saya as a skilled warrior against the Elder Bairns, but the problem is that she fails in protecting and saving people. The most blatant example is in episode 8 and 9 [[spoiler:where she ''just watches'' (we are not shown if in shock or merely surprised) several of her classmates ''die'' before she attacks, and at the end, all of them except the class representative are dead]]. Her mourning of their deaths was supposed to come out as sympathetic but given the track record of how many people died throughout the show and the [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] {{Idiot Ball}}s that she and these people had been holding on, it's not. Even after it was revealed that [[spoiler:she was under specifical specific brainwashing all the time and the events were being controlled from the shadows,]] it's not easy to forgive her for what is too easily perceivable as sucking in the hero job.



** Episode 8. Yeah, nice going Saya! Really good of you to [[spoiler: just stand there while an Elder Bairn started coming towards the class and not warn anyone to ''run.'' Plus, she just stands there and waits for about ''half'' the class to get killed off- before she even considers fighting the monster!]]
** Not to mention the students ''themselves'', who [[spoiler:ALSO just stand around dumbly, ''ogling'' the Elder Bairn until it starts its major killing spree.]] And it gets worse when [[spoiler: after the spider has killed almost the entire class, the last remaining students - instead of just getting the hell out of the building while Saya's distracting the monster - flee to the roof, from where they can't escape. Of course, the Elder Bairn corners and kills them easily.]]
** [[spoiler: The Motoe twins, Tokizane, and Kanako.]] Yeah, there isn't any way that [[spoiler: trying to betray a MagnificentBastard, with a collection of deadly beasts at his disposal, could possibly end badly. No way at all...]]
*** Possibly made even worse when considering that [[spoiler: Yuka is the only character to survive the massacre and gets exactly what she wanted ''because'' she was smart enough to not back-stab Fumito in order to reap the benefits of her contract this instance. Had the twins and Tokizane remained loyal and stuck to their contracts, they would have likely not died gruesomely and instead will have been rewarded for sticking to the script...except perhaps Kanako, who's goal would have likely interfered with Fumito's own.]]

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** Episode 8. Yeah, nice going Saya! Really good of you to [[spoiler: just stand there while an Elder Bairn started coming towards the class and not warn anyone to ''run.'' Plus, she just stands there and waits for about ''half'' the class to get killed off- before she even considers fighting the monster!]]
monster]]!
** Not to mention the students ''themselves'', who [[spoiler:ALSO just stand around dumbly, ''ogling'' the Elder Bairn until it starts its major killing spree.]] spree]]. And it gets worse when [[spoiler: after the spider has killed almost the entire class, the last remaining students - instead of just getting the hell out of the building while Saya's distracting the monster - flee to the roof, from where they can't escape. Of course, the Elder Bairn corners and kills them easily.]]
** [[spoiler: The Motoe twins, Tokizane, and Kanako.]] Yeah, there isn't any way that [[spoiler: trying to betray a MagnificentBastard, with a collection of deadly beasts at his disposal, could possibly end badly. No way at all...]]
all..]].
*** Possibly made even worse when considering that [[spoiler: Yuka is the only character to survive the massacre and gets exactly what she wanted ''because'' she was smart enough to not back-stab Fumito in order to reap the benefits of her contract this instance. Had the twins and Tokizane remained loyal and stuck to their contracts, they would have likely not died gruesomely and instead will have been rewarded for sticking to the script...except perhaps Kanako, who's goal would have likely interfered with Fumito's own.]]own]].
17th Jul '17 6:55:11 AM sayaleviathan
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* ScapegoatCreator: Creator/{{CLAMP}} gets usually blamed by ''Blood'' franchise fans for tainting the series's plot with their characteristically controversial writing shenanigans. It got worse when it was leaked that Junichi Fujisaku, one of the pioneers of the saga, worked in ''Blood C'' only to direct the fight scenes, thus allegedly limiting his chances of getting the series right. However, it turned out in an [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2011-09-01/blood-c-tsutomu-mizushima-and-junichi-fujisaku/2 ANN interview]] that, while he certainly wasn't in charge of the screenplay, the series's story was outlined by himself before CLAMP was involved, and more specifically, that the bizarre ''Blood'' reinventing of the show was '''his''' own idea.

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* ScapegoatCreator: Creator/{{CLAMP}} gets usually blamed by ''Blood'' franchise fans for tainting the series's plot with their characteristically controversial writing shenanigans. It got worse when it was leaked that Junichi Fujisaku, one of the pioneers of the saga, worked in ''Blood C'' only to direct the fight scenes, thus allegedly limiting his chances of getting the series right. However, it turned out in an [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2011-09-01/blood-c-tsutomu-mizushima-and-junichi-fujisaku/2 ANN interview]] that, while he certainly wasn't in charge of the screenplay, the series's story was outlined by himself before CLAMP was involved, and more specifically, that the bizarre ''Blood'' reinventing of the show was '''his''' own idea. It's very telling that Junichi Fujisaku is again in charge of the screenplay of the 2015 stage play and 2017 live action movie while CLAMP are only credited as original co-creators.
10th Jul '17 2:15:43 PM Cieloazul
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* ScapegoatCreator: Creator/{{CLAMP}} gets usually blamed by ''Blood'' franchise fans for tainting the series's plot with their characteristically controversial writing shenanigans. It got worse when it was leaked that Junichi Fujisaku, one of the pioneers of the saga, worked in ''Blood C'' only to direct the fight scenes, thus allegedly limiting his chances of getting the series right. However, it turned out in an [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2011-09-01/blood-c-tsutomu-mizushima-and-junichi-fujisaku/2 ANN interview]] that, while he certainly wasn't in charge of the screenplay, the series's story was outlined by himself before CLAMP was involved, and more specifically, that the bizarre ''Blood'' reinventing of the show was '''his''' own idea. It's very telling that Junichi Fujisaku is again in charge of the screenplay of the 2015 stage play and 2017 live action movie while CLAMP are only credited as original co-creators.

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* ScapegoatCreator: Creator/{{CLAMP}} gets usually blamed by ''Blood'' franchise fans for tainting the series's plot with their characteristically controversial writing shenanigans. It got worse when it was leaked that Junichi Fujisaku, one of the pioneers of the saga, worked in ''Blood C'' only to direct the fight scenes, thus allegedly limiting his chances of getting the series right. However, it turned out in an [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2011-09-01/blood-c-tsutomu-mizushima-and-junichi-fujisaku/2 ANN interview]] that, while he certainly wasn't in charge of the screenplay, the series's story was outlined by himself before CLAMP was involved, and more specifically, that the bizarre ''Blood'' reinventing of the show was '''his''' own idea. It's very telling that Junichi Fujisaku is again in charge of the screenplay of the 2015 stage play and 2017 live action movie while CLAMP are only credited as original co-creators.
21st Apr '17 2:22:06 AM sayaleviathan
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* CriticalBacklash: ''Blood-C'' was one of the most controversial and downvoted series in its heyday, being economically enough of a failure in Japan to propel CLAMP to a new dark age and basically causing the BrokenBase between ''Blood: The Last Vampire'' and ''Blood+'' (and a part of the very CLAMP fandom) to join in their dislike for this new adaptation of their saga. However, specially after the release of the movie, which helped to fill many holes in the series and made many critics to change their mind, it's actually not rare to find recent reviewers who see it as not deserving all the hate it gets.

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* CriticalBacklash: ''Blood-C'' was one of the most controversial and downvoted series in its heyday, being economically enough of a failure in Japan to propel CLAMP to a new dark age and basically causing the BrokenBase between ''Blood: The Last Vampire'' and Vampire'', ''Blood+'' (and and a part of the very CLAMP fandom) fandom to join in their dislike for this new adaptation of their saga. However, specially after the release of the movie, which helped to fill many holes in the series and made many critics to change their mind, it's actually not rare to find recent reviewers who see it as not deserving all the hate it gets.



** While the majority of the viewers and critics agreed that the series's exposition, characterization and pacing were a mess, most of them also thought that the premise of a [[spoiler:TrumanShowPlot mixing a version of the Saya characters with ancient monsters and mysterious conspiracies]] was, if not a genuinely interesting take on the ''Blood'' saga, at least quite appealing on its own right, and would have wished it to be better played.

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** While the majority of the viewers and critics agreed that the series's exposition, characterization and pacing were a mess, most of them also thought that the premise of a [[spoiler:TrumanShowPlot mixing a version of the Saya characters with ancient monsters and mysterious conspiracies]] was, if not a genuinely interesting take on the ''Blood'' saga, at least quite appealing on its own right, and would have wished it to be better played.
12th Mar '17 1:46:07 AM sayaleviathan
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** The last two episodes really cause a more diverse response where some think that it's brilliant while others think that CLAMP has gone too far with their trademark ComplexityAddiction. It doesn't help that the entire sequence [[spoiler:of the Elder Bairns [[KillEmAll butchering all the townspeople]] ]]in the last episode looked like more CrossedTheLineTwice.

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** The last two episodes really cause a more diverse response where some think that it's brilliant while others think that CLAMP has gone too far with their trademark ComplexityAddiction. It doesn't help that the entire sequence [[spoiler:of the Elder Bairns [[KillEmAll butchering all the townspeople]] ]]in the last episode looked like more CrossedTheLineTwice.CrossesTheLineTwice.
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