History YMMV / BethPhoenix

10th Jan '16 11:47:17 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* GrowingTheBeard: Despite having wrestled legitimately for most of her life, her first two years as rookie in pro wrestling weren't full of stunning matches. A lot of promoters saw something special in her though and she was well on her way to becoming the pro wrestler people would rave about by 2003.

* HollywoodHomely: Early on, WWE tried to have a few jokes at the expense of her supposedly "mannish" features. Nobody bought it.
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* HollywoodHomely: HollywoodHomely ** Early on, WWE tried to have a few jokes at the expense of her supposedly "mannish" features. Nobody bought it.

* ItGetsBetter: Despite having wrestled legitimately for most of her life, her first two years as rookie in pro wrestling weren't full of stunning matches. A lot of promoters saw something special in her though and she was well on her way to becoming the pro wrestler people would rave about by 2003.
20th Nov '15 1:06:37 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Wrestling/{{LayCool}} is still trying to do this as part of their AlphaBitch persona, but now it's used more to show [=LayCool=] as a pair of idiots.
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** Wrestling/{{LayCool}} Laycool is still trying to do this as part of their AlphaBitch persona, but now it's used more to show [=LayCool=] as a pair of idiots.

** JerkassHasAPoint: The Diva Search Idiots and the Catalog Idiots (Wrestling/JohnLaurinaitis found Wrestling/KellyKelly and Wrestling/AliciaFox in the same swimsuit catalog) dragged down the division and added nothing valuable to the product.
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** JerkassHasAPoint: The Diva Search Idiots and the Catalog Idiots (Wrestling/JohnLaurinaitis found Wrestling/KellyKelly Kelly Kelly and Wrestling/AliciaFox Alicia Fox in the same swimsuit catalog) dragged down the division and added nothing valuable to the product.
21st Mar '15 5:04:46 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* ItGetsBetter: Despite having wrestled legitimately for most of her life, her first two years as rookie in pro wrestling weren't full of stunning matches. A lot of promoters saw something special in her though and she was well on her way to becoming the pro wrestler people would rave about by 2003.
8th Jul '14 3:36:45 AM LogoP
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Fan Dumb & Hate Dumb are now part of Flame Bait. Only in-universe examples are allowed.
* FanDumb: The above quote was a good case of BadassDecay and {{Chickification}}, with a healthy dose of likely intentional [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] considering Beth's [[WellIntentionedExtremist character]] at the time. The fact that she eliminated the Great Khali, ''the largest man in the match'', over the top in the 2010 Royal Rumble by kissing him, was not. Some say the only reason it worked was because he was a clumsy oaf, or because his character was in a playboy phase where he would usually end up kissing a woman in any segment he was in. That's not dumb luck, though: this is all stuff Beth would likely '''know''' from being in the same arenas as him every week. Beth wasn't pointlessly "lowering herself" to the standards of a Khali Kiss Cam girl and he only just happened to take himself out in the process. She was being a FemmeFatale in getting rid of '''the largest man in the Royal Rumble match.''' This was also the same Rumble where…okay, see HilariousInHindsight two lines below. How people could complain she was chickified in that Rumble was…wow.
15th Aug '13 10:04:38 AM Viira
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: At the start of her most current (late 2011-early 2012) heel run, she declared she wanted to put an end to the era of the eye-candy, "Barbie doll" Divas. UnfortunateImplications aside [[hottip:*:It seemed to imply that it wasn't possible to be good-looking as well as a skilled in-ring performer]], it ''might'' have gotten over decently as a heel gimmick if it weren't for the fact that a lot of smarks and fans of the old-school women's division ''agreed with her.'' This may or may not have been the reason for her {{Flanderization}} into a self-centered AlphaBitch.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: At the start of her most current (late 2011-early 2012) heel run, she declared she wanted to put an end to the era of the eye-candy, "Barbie doll" Divas. UnfortunateImplications aside [[hottip:*:It [[note]]It seemed to imply that it wasn't possible to be good-looking as well as a skilled in-ring performer]], performer[[/note]], it ''might'' have gotten over decently as a heel gimmick if it weren't for the fact that a lot of smarks and fans of the old-school women's division ''agreed with her.'' This may or may not have been the reason for her {{Flanderization}} into a self-centered AlphaBitch.
27th Jul '13 9:11:09 AM SomeoneElse17
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* FanDumb: The above quote was a good case of BadassDecay and {{Chickification}}, with a healthy dose of likely intentional [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] considering Beth's [[WellIntentionedExtremist character]] at the time. The fact that she eliminated the Great Khali, ''the largest man in the match'', over the top in the 2010 Royal Rumble by kissing him, was not. Some say the only reason it worked was because he was a clumsy oaf, or because his character was in a playboy phase where he would usually end up kissing a woman in any segment he was in. That's not dumb luck, though: this is all stuff Beth would likely '''know''' from being in the same arenas as him every week. Beth wasn't pointlessly "lowering herself" to the standards of a Khali Kiss Cam girl and he only just happened to take himself out in the process. She was being a FemmeFatale in getting rid of '''the largest man in the Royal Rumble match.'''
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* FanDumb: The above quote was a good case of BadassDecay and {{Chickification}}, with a healthy dose of likely intentional [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] considering Beth's [[WellIntentionedExtremist character]] at the time. The fact that she eliminated the Great Khali, ''the largest man in the match'', over the top in the 2010 Royal Rumble by kissing him, was not. Some say the only reason it worked was because he was a clumsy oaf, or because his character was in a playboy phase where he would usually end up kissing a woman in any segment he was in. That's not dumb luck, though: this is all stuff Beth would likely '''know''' from being in the same arenas as him every week. Beth wasn't pointlessly "lowering herself" to the standards of a Khali Kiss Cam girl and he only just happened to take himself out in the process. She was being a FemmeFatale in getting rid of '''the largest man in the Royal Rumble match.'''''' This was also the same Rumble where…okay, see HilariousInHindsight two lines below. How people could complain she was chickified in that Rumble was…wow.
27th Jul '13 9:09:03 AM SomeoneElse17
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* FanDumb: The above quote was a good case of BadassDecay and {{Chickification}}, with a healthy dose of likely intentional hypocrisy considering Beth's character at the time. The fact that she eliminated the Great Khali, ''the largest man in the match'', over the top in the 2010 Royal Rumble by kissing him, was not. Some say the only reason it worked was because he was a clumsy oaf, or because his character was in a playboy phase where he would usually end up kissing a woman in any segment he was in. That's not dumb luck, though: this is all stuff Beth would likely '''know''' from being in the same arenas as him every week. Beth wasn't pointlessly "lowering herself" to the standards of a Khali Kiss Cam girl and he only just happened to take himself out in the process. She was being a FemmeFatale in getting rid of '''the largest man in the Royal Rumble match.'''
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* FanDumb: The above quote was a good case of BadassDecay and {{Chickification}}, with a healthy dose of likely intentional hypocrisy [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] considering Beth's character [[WellIntentionedExtremist character]] at the time. The fact that she eliminated the Great Khali, ''the largest man in the match'', over the top in the 2010 Royal Rumble by kissing him, was not. Some say the only reason it worked was because he was a clumsy oaf, or because his character was in a playboy phase where he would usually end up kissing a woman in any segment he was in. That's not dumb luck, though: this is all stuff Beth would likely '''know''' from being in the same arenas as him every week. Beth wasn't pointlessly "lowering herself" to the standards of a Khali Kiss Cam girl and he only just happened to take himself out in the process. She was being a FemmeFatale in getting rid of '''the largest man in the Royal Rumble match.'''
27th Jul '13 9:08:28 AM SomeoneElse17
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* FanDumb: The above quote was a good case of BadassDecay and Chickification, with a healthy dose of likely intentional hypocrisy considering Beth's character at the time. The fact that she eliminated the Great Khali, ''the largest man in the match'', over the top in the 2010 Royal Rumble by kissing him, was not. Some say the only reason it worked was because he was a clumsy oaf, or because his character was in a playboy phase where he would usually end up kissing a woman in any segment he was in. That's not dumb luck, though: this is all stuff Beth would likely '''know''' from being in the same arenas as him every week. Beth wasn't pointlessly "lowering herself" to the standards of a Khali Kiss Cam girl and he only just happened to take himself out in the process. She was being a FemmeFatale in getting rid of '''the largest man in the Royal Rumble match.'''
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* FanDumb: The above quote was a good case of BadassDecay and Chickification, {{Chickification}}, with a healthy dose of likely intentional hypocrisy considering Beth's character at the time. The fact that she eliminated the Great Khali, ''the largest man in the match'', over the top in the 2010 Royal Rumble by kissing him, was not. Some say the only reason it worked was because he was a clumsy oaf, or because his character was in a playboy phase where he would usually end up kissing a woman in any segment he was in. That's not dumb luck, though: this is all stuff Beth would likely '''know''' from being in the same arenas as him every week. Beth wasn't pointlessly "lowering herself" to the standards of a Khali Kiss Cam girl and he only just happened to take himself out in the process. She was being a FemmeFatale in getting rid of '''the largest man in the Royal Rumble match.'''
27th Jul '13 9:07:59 AM SomeoneElse17
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* FanDumb: The above quote was a good case of BadassDecay and Chickification, with a healthy dose of likely intentional hypocrisy considering Beth's character at the time. The fact that she eliminated the Great Khali, ''the largest man in the match'', over the top in the 2010 Royal Rumble by kissing him, was not. Some say the only reason it worked was because he was a clumsy oaf, or because his character was in a playboy phase where he would usually end up kissing a woman in any segment he was in. That's not dumb luck, though: this is all stuff Beth would likely '''know''' from being in the same arenas as him every week. Beth wasn't pointlessly "lowering herself" to the standards of a Khali Kiss Cam girl and he only just happened to take himself out in the process. She was being a FemmeFatale in getting rid of '''the largest man in the Royal Rumble match.'''
14th May '13 12:46:55 PM SomeoneElse17
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** JerkassHasAPoint: The Diva Search Idiots and the Catalog Idiots (Wrestling/JohnLauriniatis found Wrestling/KellyKelly and Wrestling/AliciaFox in the same swimsuit catalog) dragged down the division and added nothing valuable to the product.
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** JerkassHasAPoint: The Diva Search Idiots and the Catalog Idiots (Wrestling/JohnLauriniatis (Wrestling/JohnLaurinaitis found Wrestling/KellyKelly and Wrestling/AliciaFox in the same swimsuit catalog) dragged down the division and added nothing valuable to the product.
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