History YMMV / Berserk

24th Sep '17 4:16:35 PM nombretomado
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* ComeForTheXStayForTheY: Many fans were introduced to ''Berserk'' from just hearing other people regale how horribly violent and gruesome the story is. If one is able to survive that much, you'll most likely end up sticking around just to see how the characters that you've grown to love (or hate) will fare through for the duration of the story. This describes a sizeable majority of the fanbase. The other portion? [[JustHereForGodzilla Well, we'll get to that below.]]
19th Sep '17 8:05:24 AM mrbits
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* NeverLiveItDown:
** Berserk fans will always remember Guts' confused expression when he saw Casca in a dress.
** Fans aren't letting go of the fact that Guts ate a whole rat raw during his imprisonment by the Viscount when he was 15.
** It's almost memetic now to remind fans of the [[SarcasmMode pleasant]] memory of Griffith sacrificing the original Band of the Hawk to a horde of demons.
19th Sep '17 8:01:41 AM mrbits
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** Similarly annoying to those who have seen it too many times is the perennial "Guts must be really stinky" thread.
19th Sep '17 7:55:54 AM mrbits
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** When Adon makes a disparaging remark about Casca sleeping with Griffith to get ahead in the Hawks, is he only making fun of her? Or, as a servant of Lord Gennon whose "tastes" are an open secret, was Adon also making a more subtle insult against Griffith?
12th Sep '17 1:48:59 PM NoxArtemis
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** Many fans also find enjoyment in ''VideoGame/DragonsDogma'', another RPG with a dark fantasy vibe and lots of ''Berserk'' references (where you can, in fact, build a character like Casca and have a companion that is pretty much a Guts cover, not to mention the whole Griffith's armor is in-game).

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** Many fans also find enjoyment in ''VideoGame/DragonsDogma'', another RPG with a dark fantasy vibe and lots of ''Berserk'' references (where references, where you can, in fact, build a character like Casca and have a companion that is pretty much a Guts cover, not to mention the whole Griffith's armor is in-game).in-game. Lastly, there are a handful of characters who are such obvious CounterpartComparison characters that the only thing more satisfying than that is seeing Kentarou Miura's copyright of ''Berserk'' scroll past in the game's end credits.
10th Sep '17 5:04:20 PM NoxArtemis
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** Recently in chapter 351, Schierke and Farnese are [[spoiler: traversing through Casca's mind when they come across their next adversary! ... Giant black penis monsters! This would generate so many obvious dick jokes - [[StealthPun and does so at one point]] - but then you remember that these are all internalized projections of Casca's deep, terrible trauma of being sexually violated during the eclipse. Perhaps going even deeper is that this is a projection of EVERY cumulative memory of her being sexually assaulted, [[SexIsEvil and her deep seated fear and shame of sex as a result.]]]]

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** Recently in chapter 351, Schierke and Farnese are [[spoiler: traversing through Casca's mind when they come across their next adversary! ... Giant black penis monsters! This would generate so many obvious dick jokes - [[StealthPun and does so at one point]] - but then you remember that these are all internalized projections of Casca's deep, terrible trauma of being sexually violated during the eclipse. Perhaps going even deeper is that this is a projection of EVERY cumulative memory of her being sexually assaulted, [[SexIsEvil and her deep seated fear and shame of sex as a result.]]]] As soon as your remember that, [[DudeNotFunny it becomes decidedly less funny.]]
30th Aug '17 1:26:33 PM Owlorange1995
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* UncannyValley: Aside from the invoked example in Rosine's elf minions, there is Griffith in his reincarnated form. The guy is so amazingly beautiful that you ''know'' [[HumanoidAbomination something is wrong with him.]] Maybe it's in his eyes, which still retain his [[HellishPupils eerie slitted pupils]] that [[spoiler:his Godhand form, Femto, has]] and thus he always seems to be giving you the KubrickStare constantly; or maybe it's just the way that he carries himself now, [[EmotionlessGirl nearly completely devoid of emotion]] and, at worst, [[LackOfEmpathy empathy]], making [[StepfordSmiler any smile that he gives]] ''[[StepfordSmiler really unsettling]]''. Either way, [[SatanicArchetype Griffith is on a divine level]], [[FauxSymbolism and if Judeo-Christian mythos rings true]], [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm we are not supposed to be seeing him like this]]. Unfortunately, whenever this trope is invoked by the characters, [[LikeAGodToMe they see him in the direct opposite light]].

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Aside from the invoked example in Rosine's elf minions, there is Griffith in his reincarnated form. The guy is so amazingly beautiful that you ''know'' [[HumanoidAbomination something is wrong with him.]] Maybe it's in his eyes, which still retain his [[HellishPupils eerie slitted pupils]] that [[spoiler:his Godhand form, Femto, has]] and thus he always seems to be giving you the KubrickStare constantly; or maybe it's just the way that he carries himself now, [[EmotionlessGirl nearly completely devoid of emotion]] and, at worst, [[LackOfEmpathy empathy]], making [[StepfordSmiler any smile that he gives]] ''[[StepfordSmiler really unsettling]]''. Either way, [[SatanicArchetype Griffith is on a divine level]], [[FauxSymbolism and if Judeo-Christian mythos rings true]], [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm we are not supposed to be seeing him like this]]. Unfortunately, whenever this trope is invoked by the characters, [[LikeAGodToMe they see him in the direct opposite light]].light]].
** Mozgus is a large man with a large face bearing sunken eyes, thin lips, and an extremely flat nose.
** The Great Goat looks normal enough at a glance, but he has unnaturally long arms, a freakishly tall body, and six fingers on each hand.
29th Jul '17 12:49:19 PM SorPepita
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** This probably doesn't cross our minds much, since we're too busy being [[NightmareFuel horrified at what he does]], but has anyone ever processed that Femto is so evil that he's made of evil? Even his friggin' [[spoiler:semen]]. It not only compels a [[spoiler:developing zygote to go to the dark side]], but it also makes [[spoiler:said zygote rapidly develop into a six week old embryo straight into an eighteen week old fetus all in under about four days, adding the fact that the semen is a mutagen]]. If Femto's [[spoiler:semen]] can do all that, just think of what his ''spit'' is capable of doing. It'd probably change the whole coarse of evolution. [[FridgeHorror And that's kinda scary.]] [[spoiler:He seems to have an infinite supply of the stuff]]. [[spoiler:There was a sick, almost voyeuristic aspect to Griffith forcing Guts to watch as he raped Casca, as if he wanted Guts to watch him (Griffith) having sex, albeit very violent and vile.]]

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** This probably doesn't cross our minds much, since we're too busy being [[NightmareFuel horrified at what he does]], but has anyone ever processed that Femto is so evil that he's made of evil? Even his friggin' [[spoiler:semen]]. It not only compels a [[spoiler:developing zygote to go to the dark side]], but it also makes [[spoiler:said zygote rapidly develop into a six week old embryo straight into an eighteen week old fetus all in under about four days, adding the fact that the semen is a mutagen]]. If Femto's [[spoiler:semen]] can do all that, just think of what his ''spit'' is capable of doing. It'd probably change the whole coarse course of evolution. [[FridgeHorror And that's kinda scary.]] [[spoiler:He seems to have an infinite supply of the stuff]]. [[spoiler:There was a sick, almost voyeuristic aspect to Griffith forcing Guts to watch as he raped Casca, as if he wanted Guts to watch him (Griffith) having sex, albeit very violent and vile.]]



* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: Guts and his party will eventually have to fight [[DarkMessiah Griffith]], [[TheLegionsOfHell his army]], [[EnemyWithin The Beast]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils the four god hands]], and possibly [[spoiler:[[CosmicHorrorStory The Idea of Evil]].]] Miura is going to have to do something to level the playing field. [[CrapsackWorld Then again,]] [[CosmicHorrorStory he might not…]]

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* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: Guts and his party will eventually have to fight [[DarkMessiah Griffith]], [[TheLegionsOfHell his army]], [[EnemyWithin The Beast]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils the four god hands]], God Hands]], and possibly [[spoiler:[[CosmicHorrorStory The Idea of Evil]].]] Miura is going to have to do something to level the playing field. [[CrapsackWorld Then again,]] [[CosmicHorrorStory he might not…]]



** Nina is easy to hate for most of the Chapter of the Birth Ceremony because of her cowardice and tendency to throw her friends under the bus when she panics, but the fact that she hates herself for being that way and tries a couple of times (unsuccessfully) to put others before herself make it possible to hold off on condemning her entirely if you're inclined to give her a second chance. At the end of the chapter she acts like she's really learned to appreciate Luca's unconditional love and wants to make it up to her somehow, and when she decides to go away with Joachim so that she can learn to be a better person it feels like a redeeming step for her.

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** Nina is easy to hate for most of the Chapter of the Birth Ceremony because of her cowardice and tendency to throw her friends under the bus when she panics, but the fact that she hates herself for being that way and tries a couple of times (unsuccessfully) to put others before herself make makes it possible to hold off on condemning her entirely if you're inclined to give her a second chance. At the end of the chapter she acts like she's really learned to appreciate Luca's unconditional love and wants to make it up to her somehow, and when she decides to go away with Joachim so that she can learn to be a better person it feels like a redeeming step for her.



* UncannyValley: Aside from the invoked example in Rosine's elf minions, there is Griffith in his reincarnated form. The guy is so amazingly beautiful that you ''know'' [[HumanoidAbomination something is wrong with him.]] Maybe it's in his eyes, which still retain his [[HellishPupils eerie slitted pupils]] that [[spoiler:his Godhand form, Femto, has]] and thus he always seems to be giving you the KubrickStare constantly; or maybe it's just the way that he carries himself now, [[EmotionlessGirl nearly completely devoid of emotion]] and, at worst, [[LackOfEmpathy empathy]], making [[StepfordSmiler any smile that he gives]] ''[[StepfordSmiler really unsettling]]''. Either way, [[SatanicArchetype Griffith is on a divine level]], [[FauxSymbolism and if Judeo-Christian mythos rings true]], [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm we are not suppose to be seeing him like this]]. Unfortunately, whenever this trope is invoked by the characters, [[LikeAGodToMe they see him in the direct opposite light]].

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* UncannyValley: Aside from the invoked example in Rosine's elf minions, there is Griffith in his reincarnated form. The guy is so amazingly beautiful that you ''know'' [[HumanoidAbomination something is wrong with him.]] Maybe it's in his eyes, which still retain his [[HellishPupils eerie slitted pupils]] that [[spoiler:his Godhand form, Femto, has]] and thus he always seems to be giving you the KubrickStare constantly; or maybe it's just the way that he carries himself now, [[EmotionlessGirl nearly completely devoid of emotion]] and, at worst, [[LackOfEmpathy empathy]], making [[StepfordSmiler any smile that he gives]] ''[[StepfordSmiler really unsettling]]''. Either way, [[SatanicArchetype Griffith is on a divine level]], [[FauxSymbolism and if Judeo-Christian mythos rings true]], [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm we are not suppose supposed to be seeing him like this]]. Unfortunately, whenever this trope is invoked by the characters, [[LikeAGodToMe they see him in the direct opposite light]].



** It might give one a really weird, even disturbing, feeling when reading volume 9 where Guts described how Gambino sold him out to Donovan [[spoiler:as a child prostitute]] or just how he was treated like shit by this complete asshole his entire childhood… and Guts doesn't say ''one'' bad thing about Gambino, a guy who downright said that the kid disgusted him and that he should have died instead of Sys (who was one of the few people who truly loved Guts in his whole life, along with Casca and a few of the Hawks Raiders and Guts' new TrueCompanions just leaving little Guts utterly heartbroken to tears. Just looking at how a guy who [[UnstoppableRage runs on rage]] when fighting monsters, [[ThePowerOfHate seethes with hatred]] toward the man who betrayed him in the same fashion, it's truly jarring, even disgusting how he doesn't show the least bit of animosity toward the man who orchestrated such a horrific, traumatizing evil.

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** It might give one a really weird, even disturbing, feeling when reading volume 9 where Guts described how Gambino sold him out to Donovan [[spoiler:as a child prostitute]] or just how he was treated like shit by this complete asshole his entire childhood… and Guts doesn't say ''one'' bad thing about Gambino, a guy who downright said that the kid disgusted him and that he should have died instead of Sys (who was one of the few people who truly loved Guts in his whole life, along with Casca and a few of the Hawks Raiders and Guts' new TrueCompanions TrueCompanions) just leaving little Guts utterly heartbroken to tears. Just looking at how a guy who [[UnstoppableRage runs on rage]] when fighting monsters, [[ThePowerOfHate seethes with hatred]] toward the man who betrayed him in the same fashion, it's truly jarring, even disgusting how he doesn't show the least bit of animosity toward the man who orchestrated such a horrific, traumatizing evil.



** Whose ideas was it on the Tudor side to leave the gate of Doldrey wide open during the battle, so that Casca could rush her force inside the castle? If it was Adon's plan it was stupid even for him: he should have split up the invaders by closing the gate after Casca and the vanguard were inside, leaving the rest locked out. However, that also means that both Gennon and Boscone screwed up by leaving him the authority to do that in the first place, since it would have been much safer to lock them out and let Boscone's army mop them up. If they just left the door open as a matter of course, however, that really takes the cake.

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** Whose ideas idea was it on the Tudor side to leave the gate of Doldrey wide open during the battle, so that Casca could rush her force inside the castle? If it was Adon's plan it was stupid even for him: he should have split up the invaders by closing the gate after Casca and the vanguard were inside, leaving the rest locked out. However, that also means that both Gennon and Boscone screwed up by leaving him the authority to do that in the first place, since it would have been much safer to lock them out and let Boscone's army mop them up. If they just left the door open as a matter of course, however, that really takes the cake.



** The Egg of the Perfect World. He was a deformed outcast who abused by the residents of St. Albion and forced to live in a hole full of dead bodies to protect himself. After he obtained his Behelit and become an Apostle, he wanted to create the perfect world. To do so, he sacrifices his life to give birth to [[spoiler:Griffith]].

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** The Egg of the Perfect World. He was a deformed outcast who was abused by the residents of St. Albion and forced to live in a hole full of dead bodies to protect himself. After he obtained his Behelit and become became an Apostle, he wanted to create the perfect world. To do so, he sacrifices his life to give birth to [[spoiler:Griffith]].
29th Jul '17 8:22:11 AM SorPepita
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** [[AdiposeRex Ganishka]], the Emperor of Kushan, became insanely paranoid when his mother tried to poison him for his younger brother to become the heir, only for the brother not to survive. His paranoia got to the point where his own son tried to kill him out of fear he would see his son as a threat. After accepting the Godhand's offer he has become a near-perfect example of TheCaligula, which shows in mass executions, ethnic cleansing, using conquered populations as human shields or cannon fodder for his armies, attempting to rape the captive princess Charlotte and suspending women over a pool filled with hungry crocodiles, dropping thousands of ''pregnant'' women into cauldrons with stitched-together Apostles to turn the unborn babies into half-human demons that rip apart their mothers upon birth. Grandiose, megalomaniacal, and obsessed with his position as TheEmperor, Ganishka revels in being as evil as he possibly can be.

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** [[AdiposeRex Ganishka]], the Emperor of Kushan, became insanely paranoid when his mother tried to poison him for his younger brother to become the heir, only for the brother not to survive. His paranoia got to the point where his own son tried to kill him out of fear he would see his son as a threat. After accepting the Godhand's offer he has become a near-perfect example of TheCaligula, which shows in mass executions, ethnic cleansing, using conquered populations as human shields or cannon fodder for his armies, attempting to rape the captive princess Charlotte and suspending women over a pool filled with hungry crocodiles, and dropping thousands of ''pregnant'' women into cauldrons with stitched-together Apostles to turn the unborn babies into half-human demons that rip apart their mothers upon birth. Grandiose, megalomaniacal, and obsessed with his position as TheEmperor, Ganishka revels in being as evil as he possibly can be.
29th Jul '17 8:18:59 AM SorPepita
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** Is all of the depiction of sexual assault and rape part of Berserk's unflinchingly honest perspective on the worst aspects of the human condition, or is it [[GratuitousRape gratuitously offensive]] and the result of lazy writing? There's fans who argue the former, others who argue the latter, and still others who sit somewhere in the middle. Similarly the adaptations differing approaches to these scenes feeds to the BrokenBase over which handled the material better.

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** Is all of the depiction of sexual assault and rape part of Berserk's unflinchingly honest perspective on the worst aspects of the human condition, or is it [[GratuitousRape gratuitously offensive]] and the result of lazy writing? There's fans who argue the former, others who argue the latter, and still others who sit somewhere in the middle. Similarly the adaptations adaptations' differing approaches to these scenes feeds to the BrokenBase over which handled the material better.
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