History YMMV / Berserk

4th Jul '17 8:12:28 PM Tehrannotaur
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** The setting is so very crapsack and the Anti-Hero protagonist tending to be both ''really'' morally questionable and hopelessly overpowered by the main villains, and the arguably gratuitous rape and violence, means people can simply get bored of the darkness. It does get better later in the manga, though the fact that OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow makes it really hard to muster up enthusiasm.

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** The setting is so very crapsack and the Anti-Hero protagonist tending to be both ''really'' morally questionable and hopelessly overpowered by the main villains, and the arguably gratuitous rape {{gratuitous|Rape}} {{rape|As Drama}} and violence, [[{{Gorn}} violence]], means [[EightDeadlyWords people can simply get bored of the darkness.darkness]]. It does get better later in the manga, though the fact that OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow makes it really hard to muster up enthusiasm.
4th Jul '17 8:08:06 PM Tehrannotaur
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** Miura himself commented on this in a roundabout way in a [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/5frs99/berserk_guidebook_interview_full_translation_part/recent recent interview]]. He stated that when the Eclipse happened, the series dropped considerably in popularity for a while because people were upset at him killing off so many likable characters, though obviously he stands by that decision. He's also stated that he adds stuff like Puck's silly antics as a way to lighten the mood and make the horrific setting and events more palatable, although YMMV on how well this succeeds as a good many readers feel that Puck isn't funny and has become too much of a jarring one-note character only good for ill-fitting pop culture gags.

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** Miura himself commented on this in a roundabout way in a [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/5frs99/berserk_guidebook_interview_full_translation_part/recent recent interview]]. He stated that when the Eclipse happened, [[AudienceAlienatingPremise the series dropped considerably in popularity popularity]] for a while because people were upset at him killing off so many likable characters, though obviously he stands by that decision. He's also stated that he adds stuff like Puck's silly antics as a way to lighten the mood and make the horrific setting and events more palatable, although YMMV on how well this succeeds as a good many readers feel that Puck isn't funny and has become too much of a jarring one-note character only good for ill-fitting pop culture gags.
1st Jul '17 2:34:31 PM NoxArtemis
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** Recently in chapter 351, Schierke and Farnese are [[spoiler: traversing through Casca's mind when they come across their next adversary! ... Giant black penis monsters! This would generate so many obvious dick jokes - [[StealthPun and does so at one point]] - but then you remember that these are all internalized projections of Casca's deep, terrible trauma of being sexually violated during the eclipse. Perhaps going even deeper is that this is a projection of EVERY cumulative memory of her being sexually assaulted, [[SexIsEvil and her deep seated fear and shame of sex as a result.]]]]
29th Jun '17 9:07:39 PM TheBigBopper
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** Guts is inevitably compared to the 16th century German Knight and mercenary captain Götz Von Berlichingen, known as "Götz of the Iron Hand", who lost it when a cannonball forced his sword against it, and replaced it with an iron prosthetic that looked uncannily like that of Guts. Miura has stated that the resemblance between them is coincidental, and that he did not learn about Berlichingen until after he had started publishing.
** Some have seen a similarity between Griffith and Albrecht Von Wallenstein, a 17th century Imperial Commander in the ThirtyYearsWar. Much like Griffith, Wallenstein was noted for his good looks, being betrayed by the very powers he served, and being rumored to have sold his soul to the devil.
** Another comparison for Griffith is John Hawkwood, an Englishman who carved out a career as a mercenary captain in Italy starting in 1361, first at the head of a group called the White Company. The White Hawk, eh?
** While we're at it, there's also the story of Roger de Flor and the Great Company. Roger and his company fought for the Byzantine Emperor as mercenaries in the 13th century, but the emperor felt threatened by Roger's power, so he betrayed and murdered him. His company rebelled against the Empire and defeated every army that was thrown at them, eventually carving out their own petty states.
** Bishop Mozgus invites comparison with Ivan The Terrible, who is said to have practiced a similar regimen of self-mortification and inflicted all kinds of creative tortures on those he viewed as sinners.
21st Jun '17 8:41:26 PM TheBigBopper
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** Azan looks like he could have been inspired by UsefulNotes/MusashiboBenkei. Benkei's favorite weapons included an iron staff, and he is said to have posted himself at Gojō Bridge in Kyoto, disarming 999 passing swordsmen until he was defeated by Minamoto no Yoshitsune. Benkei became a retainer of Yoshitsune, and ultimately made a LastStand on a bridge while buying time for his master to commit {{seppuku}}, killing over 300 soldiers before he fell. Azan certainly lives up to Benkei's HonorBeforeReason and UndyingLoyalty.

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** Azan looks like he could have been inspired by Japanese FolkHero UsefulNotes/MusashiboBenkei. Benkei's favorite weapons included an iron staff, and he is said to have posted himself at Gojō Bridge in Kyoto, disarming 999 passing swordsmen until he was defeated by Minamoto no Yoshitsune. Benkei became a retainer of Yoshitsune, and ultimately made a LastStand on a bridge while buying time for his master to commit {{seppuku}}, killing over 300 soldiers before he fell. Azan certainly lives up to Benkei's HonorBeforeReason and UndyingLoyalty.
21st Jun '17 8:39:58 PM TheBigBopper
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** Isidro's precocious determination to become a swordsman calls Myojin Yahiko from Manga/RurouniKenshin to mind, and as the thief sidekick to a violent hero he resembles Bat from ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''.
** Azan looks like he could have been inspired by UsefulNotes/MusashiboBenkei. Benkei's favorite weapons included an iron staff, and he is said to have posted himself at Gojō Bridge in Kyoto, disarming 999 passing swordsmen until he was defeated by Minamoto no Yoshitsune. Benkei became a retainer of Yoshitsune, and ultimately made a LastStand on a bridge while buying time for his master to commit {{seppuku}}, killing over 300 soldiers before he fell. Azan certainly lives up to Benkei's HonorBeforeReason and UndyingLoyalty.
10th Jun '17 9:14:18 PM TheBigBopper
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The setting is so very crapsack and the Anti-Hero protagonist tending to be both ''really'' morally questionable and hopelessly overpowered by the main villains, and the arguably gratuitous rape and violence, means people can simply get bored of the darkness. It does get better later in the manga, though the fact that OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow makes it really hard to muster up enthusiasm.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: DarknessInducedAudienceApathy:
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The setting is so very crapsack and the Anti-Hero protagonist tending to be both ''really'' morally questionable and hopelessly overpowered by the main villains, and the arguably gratuitous rape and violence, means people can simply get bored of the darkness. It does get better later in the manga, though the fact that OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow makes it really hard to muster up enthusiasm.
10th Jun '17 7:38:35 PM Draghinazzo
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** Miura himself commented on this in a roundabout way in a [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/5frs99/berserk_guidebook_interview_full_translation_part/recent recent interview]]. He stated that when the Eclipse happened, the series dropped considerably in popularity for a while because people were upset at him killing off so many likable characters, though obviously he stands by that decision. He's also stated that he adds stuff like Puck's silly antics as a way to lighten the mood and make the horrific setting and events more palatable, although YMMV on how well this succeeds as a good many readers feel that Puck isn't funny and has become too much of a jarring one-note character only good for ill-fitting pop culture gags.
8th Jun '17 4:54:19 AM Cieloazul
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** Serpico's EyesAlwaysShut stick out like a sore thumb in a manga series in which most character designs are too realistic for that kind of cartoonish visual resources. It only makes him look like he has his eyes really closed with all its absurdity.
** Isidro's name is difficult to take seriously in a high-fantasy work by a Spaniard, as it is actually a real name in Spain, but one commonly associated with country bumpkins (to put in perspective, think of a character in the [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Middle Earth]] named Cletus). Some translations get away with it by rendering it as Isidoro, which is somewhat more serious, but the name has its own problems (namely, that it is strongly associated with the Spanish pop culture to ''WesternAnimation/HeathcliffAndTheCatillacCats'', whose main character was renamed Isidoro in the Spanish translations).
** Many Apostles from the Eclipse, especially the one that [[spoiler:killed Judeau]], have very silly appearances. Some of them look like straight out of a {{Tokusatsu}} producer brainstorming session.

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** Serpico's EyesAlwaysShut stick out like a sore thumb in a manga series in which most character designs are too realistic for that kind of cartoonish visual resources. It only makes him look like he has his eyes really closed with all its absurdity.
eyes, as if he was blind.
** Isidro's name is difficult to take seriously in a high-fantasy work by a Spaniard, as it is actually a real name in Spain, but one commonly associated with country bumpkins (to put in perspective, think of a character named Cletus in the [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Middle Earth]] named Cletus). Earth]]). Some translations get away with it by rendering it as Isidoro, which is somewhat more serious, but the name has its own problems (namely, that it is strongly associated with in the Spanish pop culture to ''WesternAnimation/HeathcliffAndTheCatillacCats'', whose main character was renamed Isidoro in the Spanish translations).
** Many Apostles from the Eclipse, Eclipse and afterwards, especially the one that [[spoiler:killed Judeau]], have very silly appearances. Some of them look like straight out of a {{Tokusatsu}} producer brainstorming session.
7th Jun '17 10:42:54 PM TheBigBopper
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** Griffith achieves victory after victory, even managing to win back Doldrey and put an end to a 100-year war with another kingdom. Instead of appreciating his loyalty to king and country, the Queen and her cohorts decide to assassinate him, simply because they can't stomach his lack of noble blood. The Queen shows no remorse for her betrayal, even when the news of [[spoiler:his apparent death]] drives her daughter to tears. Of course, in the manga, she ''did'' have another, much more understandable reason, but in the anime she has no such excuse.

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** Griffith achieves victory after victory, even managing to win back Doldrey and put an end to a 100-year war with another kingdom. Instead of appreciating his loyalty to king and country, the Queen and her cohorts decide to assassinate him, simply because they can't stomach his lack of noble blood. The Queen shows no remorse for her betrayal, even when the news of [[spoiler:his apparent death]] drives her daughter to tears. Of course, in the manga, she ''did'' have another, much more understandable reason, but in the anime ''Anime/Berserk1997'' neither she has no such excuse.nor Foss mention this motivation.
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