History YMMV / Beowulf

17th Jul '16 6:14:53 AM jormis29
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** Although the text repeatedly conveys that Beowulf's defeat of Grendel was a noble act, the description of the scene is so bone-crunchingly brutal that it makes Beowulf look downright sadistic. You almost feel sorry for Grendel. This is part of the reason that more people are making Grendel a DracoInLeatherPants in modern times. The mere fact that Grendel is a descendant of [[Literature/TheBible Cain]] would've struck most Anglo-Saxons as reason enough for Grendel to be deserving of his miserable life in the swamp--to a modern reader, punishing someone for their ancestor's deeds just comes across as petty.

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** Although the text repeatedly conveys that Beowulf's defeat of Grendel was a noble act, the description of the scene is so bone-crunchingly brutal that it makes Beowulf look downright sadistic. You almost feel sorry for Grendel. This is part of the reason that more people are making Grendel a DracoInLeatherPants in modern times. The mere fact that Grendel is [[TheDescendantsOfCain a descendant of [[Literature/TheBible Cain]] would've struck most Anglo-Saxons as reason enough for Grendel to be deserving of his miserable life in the swamp--to a modern reader, punishing someone for their ancestor's deeds just comes across as petty.
12th Jul '16 11:31:47 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Grendel is the kind of CompleteMonster that kills warriors in their sleep, rips them to shreds, and eats them on the spot. Yet, a lot of adaptations, such as John Gardner's ''Literature/{{Grendel}}'', the 2005 film ''Beowulf and Grendel'', and the 2007 film, tend to portray Grendel sympathetically, despite the fact that in the poem, out of the three monsters, he's the one the narrator condemns the harshest and the most often.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Grendel is the kind of CompleteMonster monster that kills warriors in their sleep, rips them to shreds, and eats them on the spot. Yet, a lot of adaptations, such as John Gardner's ''Literature/{{Grendel}}'', the 2005 film ''Beowulf and Grendel'', and the 2007 film, tend to portray Grendel sympathetically, despite the fact that in the poem, out of the three monsters, he's the one the narrator condemns the harshest and the most often.



* StrawmanHasAPoint: Beowulf's decision to [[spoiler:accept treat of Grendel's mother]] might come just from power hunger, but considering that she is apparently a magical and indestructible creature, and that at least he got some decades of peace for his kingdom by doing it, one has to wonder if he had another option besides still try to fight her, get killed for the efforts and spin the wheel again. (see Villain Sue below)

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Beowulf's decision to [[spoiler:accept treat of Grendel's mother]] might come just from power hunger, but considering that she is apparently a magical and indestructible creature, and that at least he got some decades of peace for his kingdom by doing it, one has to wonder if he had another option besides still try to fight her, get killed for the efforts and spin the wheel again. (see Villain Sue below)



* TheyJustDidntCare: Robert Zemeckis openly expressed his hatred for the poem on which it was based, so all the nuance and meaning of the poem is completely ignored, radically changing the story and essentially making it an InNameOnly adaptation.
4th May '16 2:25:16 PM margdean56
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** Although the text repeatedly conveys that Beowulf's defeat of Grendel was a noble act, the description of the scene is so bone-crunchingly brutal that it makes Beowulf look downright sadistic. You almost feel sorry for Grendel. This is part of the reason that more people are making Grendel a DracoInLeatherPants in modern times. The mere fact that Grendel is a descendant of [[Literature/TheBible Cain]] would've struck most Anglo-Saxons as reason enough for Grendel to be deserving of his miserable life in the swamp- to a modern reader, punishing someone for their ancestor's deeds just comes across as petty.

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** Although the text repeatedly conveys that Beowulf's defeat of Grendel was a noble act, the description of the scene is so bone-crunchingly brutal that it makes Beowulf look downright sadistic. You almost feel sorry for Grendel. This is part of the reason that more people are making Grendel a DracoInLeatherPants in modern times. The mere fact that Grendel is a descendant of [[Literature/TheBible Cain]] would've struck most Anglo-Saxons as reason enough for Grendel to be deserving of his miserable life in the swamp- to swamp--to a modern reader, punishing someone for their ancestor's deeds just comes across as petty.
21st Apr '16 4:11:20 PM Angeldeb82
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* AwesomeMusic: Creator/IdinaMenzel singing ''"A Hero Comes Home"'' is just beautiful.

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* AwesomeMusic: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Creator/IdinaMenzel singing ''"A Hero Comes Home"'' is just beautiful.



** Naked Beowulf, and the SceneryCensor the animators employ to hide his penis. It's hard to find a critic who didn't compare this to ''AustinPowers''.

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** Naked Beowulf, and the SceneryCensor the animators employ to hide his penis. It's hard to find a critic who didn't compare this to ''AustinPowers''.''Film/AustinPowers''.



* NarmCharm: In a movie where the protagonist is the largest of [[LargeHam Large Hams]], this isn't surprising. Other characters [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CavYj784Y8Y get in on the action, too.]]

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* NarmCharm: In a movie where the protagonist is the largest of [[LargeHam Large Hams]], {{Large Ham}}s, this isn't surprising. Other characters [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CavYj784Y8Y get in on the action, too.]]too]].



* OlderThanTheyThink: This film is often accused of plagiarizing ''[[ThreeHundred 300]]'', with the line [[SayMyName "I! AM! BEOWULF!"]] being a bit too similar to "THIS! IS! SPARTA!" and the line "TONIGHT! WILL BE DIFFERENT!" being rather akin to "TONIGHT! WE DINE! IN HELL!" What these people don't realize is that there's a thing called AnimationLeadTime. Filming of ''Beowulf'' was done long before filming of ''300'' began.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: This film is often accused of plagiarizing ''[[ThreeHundred 300]]'', ''Film/ThreeHundred'', with the line [[SayMyName "I! AM! BEOWULF!"]] being a bit too similar to "THIS! IS! SPARTA!" and the line "TONIGHT! WILL BE DIFFERENT!" being rather akin to "TONIGHT! WE DINE! IN HELL!" What these people don't realize is that there's a thing called AnimationLeadTime. Filming of ''Beowulf'' was done long before filming of ''300'' began.



* UncannyValley: A bit disturbing at first, but gets better as the film goes on. Clearly, the crew learned a few things from ''ThePolarExpress''. For the most part, the expressions and characters themselves don't invoke this a whole lot. But there is a slightly creepy air whenever they're prominently handling objects or interacting with them, due to the objects not seeming to have any weight and simply "float" in the characters' hands.
* VillainSue: As seen in her apparitions, there does not seem to be any way to harm Grendel's mother. While in the poem she is basically another hulking monster and Beowulf only has to overpower her to get the kill, the movie version's supernatural abilities give no reason to believe she is anything but invincible.

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* UncannyValley: A bit disturbing at first, but gets better as the film goes on. Clearly, the crew learned a few things from ''ThePolarExpress''.''Literature/ThePolarExpress''. For the most part, the expressions and characters themselves don't invoke this a whole lot. But there is a slightly creepy air whenever they're prominently handling objects or interacting with them, due to the objects not seeming to have any weight and simply "float" in the characters' hands.
* VillainSue: As seen in her apparitions, there does not seem to be any way to harm Grendel's mother. While in the poem she is basically another hulking monster and Beowulf only has to overpower her to get the kill, the movie version's supernatural abilities give no reason to believe she is anything but invincible.
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25th Mar '16 4:17:43 PM GothicProphet
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Director Robert Zemeckis had originally intended to release an NC-17 version for IMAX theatres and a PG-13 version for regular theatres but was forced by Paramount to deliver an R rating. The final version was rated PG-13, which surprised many people on the production (including Angelina Jolie, who did not see the film as family-friendly and refused to let her children see it).

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Director Robert Zemeckis had originally intended to release an NC-17 version for IMAX theatres and a PG-13 version for regular theatres but was forced by Paramount to deliver an R rating. The final version was rated PG-13, which surprised many people on the production (including Angelina Jolie, who did not see the film as family-friendly and refused to let her children see it).it).
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10th Mar '16 9:58:58 AM Cieloazul
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Beowulf's decision to [[spoiler:mate with Grendel's mother and accept her treat]] might come just from power hunger, but considering that she is apparently a magical and indestructible creature, and that he at least got some decades of peace for his kingdom, one has to wonder if he had another option besides still try to fight her and get killed for the efforts. (see Villain Sue below)



* FanficFuel: The Mother's unknown background and the established setting of her seducing young heroes in order to give birth to monsters is more than enough to stimulate the mind of many fanfic writers.

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* FanficFuel: The Mother's unknown background and the established setting of her seducing young heroes in order to mate with them and give birth to monsters is more than enough to stimulate the mind of many fanfic writers.



* NightmareFuel: As Grendel's Mother lays Grendel's body to rest, she is humming and quietly sobbing. Eventually her wailing degenerates into an utterly blood-curdling shriek that echoes throughout the mountains. Grendel's Mother is the original MamaBear in Anglo-Saxon folklore, and a viewer knows then and there that she is ''pissed beyond all reason and is coming for revenge''.

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* NightmareFuel: NightmareFuel:
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As Grendel's Mother lays Grendel's body to rest, she is humming and quietly sobbing. Eventually her wailing degenerates into an utterly blood-curdling shriek that echoes throughout the mountains. Grendel's Mother is the original MamaBear in Anglo-Saxon folklore, and a viewer knows then and there that she is ''pissed beyond all reason and is coming for revenge''.revenge''.
** The loss of Grendel's arm. Instead of just ripping it off, Beowulf pulls it taut with a chain and ''crushes'' it off by slamming Herot's door on it repeatedly while Grendel desperately tries to tell the Geats that he's not a demon and cries in fear as Beowulf screams at him.



* TearJerker: The loss of Grendel's arm. Instead of just ripping it off, Beowulf pulls it taut with a chain and ''crushes'' it off by slamming Herot's door on it repeatedly while Grendel desperately tries to tell the Geats that he's not a demon and cries in fear as Beowulf screams at him.

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* TearJerker: The loss StrawmanHasAPoint: Beowulf's decision to [[spoiler:accept treat of Grendel's arm. Instead of mother]] might come just ripping it off, Beowulf pulls it taut with a chain and ''crushes'' it off by slamming Herot's door on it repeatedly while Grendel desperately tries to tell the Geats from power hunger, but considering that he's not she is apparently a demon magical and cries in fear as Beowulf screams indestructible creature, and that at him.least he got some decades of peace for his kingdom by doing it, one has to wonder if he had another option besides still try to fight her, get killed for the efforts and spin the wheel again. (see Villain Sue below)



* VillainSue: As seen in her apparitions, there does not seem to be any way to harm Grendel's mother. While in the poem she is basically another hulking monster and Beowulf only has to overpower her to get the kill, the movie version's supernatural abilities give us no reason to believe she is anything but invincible.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Director Robert Zemeckis had originally intended to release an NC-17 version for IMAX theatres and a PG-13 version for regular theatres but was forced by Paramount to deliver an R rating. The final version was rated PG-13, which surprised many people on the production (including Angelina Jolie, who did not see the film as family-friendly and refused to let her children see it).

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* VillainSue: As seen in her apparitions, there does not seem to be any way to harm Grendel's mother. While in the poem she is basically another hulking monster and Beowulf only has to overpower her to get the kill, the movie version's supernatural abilities give us no reason to believe she is anything but invincible.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Director Robert Zemeckis had originally intended to release an NC-17 version for IMAX theatres and a PG-13 version for regular theatres but was forced by Paramount to deliver an R rating. The final version was rated PG-13, which surprised many people on the production (including Angelina Jolie, who did not see the film as family-friendly and refused to let her children see it).
2nd Mar '16 12:34:33 PM Cieloazul
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* FanficFuel: The Mother's unknown background and the established setting of her seducing young heroes in order to give birth to monsters is more than enough to stimulate the mind of many fanfic writers.
25th Feb '16 6:56:19 AM Redmess
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* The men who do not come to Beowulf's aid in the fight against the dragon are dishonoured, and their male relatives condemned to shame and banishment.

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* ** The men who do not come to Beowulf's aid in the fight against the dragon are dishonoured, and their male relatives condemned to shame and banishment.
25th Feb '16 6:55:58 AM Redmess
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* The men who do not come to Beowulf's aid in the fight against the dragon are dishonoured, and their male relatives condemned to shame and banishment.
23rd Feb '16 6:23:39 AM Redmess
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* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of adaptations, such as John Gardner's ''Literature/{{Grendel}}'', the 2005 film ''Beowulf and Grendel'', and the 2007 film, tend to portray Grendel sympathetically, despite the fact that in the poem, out of the three monsters, he's the one the narrator condemns the harshest and the most often.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: A Grendel is the kind of CompleteMonster that kills warriors in their sleep, rips them to shreds, and eats them on the spot. Yet, a lot of adaptations, such as John Gardner's ''Literature/{{Grendel}}'', the 2005 film ''Beowulf and Grendel'', and the 2007 film, tend to portray Grendel sympathetically, despite the fact that in the poem, out of the three monsters, he's the one the narrator condemns the harshest and the most often.
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